Is This the Best Card Ever? | The Dragon Season Preview | A Look Back at Weapon X Season | The Snap Chat Ep. 163

This week, Alex is joined by the most requested guest in Snap Chat history: KM Best! The duo dives deep into the "Dragon" season, debating whether the new Shang-Chi: Master of Rings is a 5-star "God gaming" card or a potential trap depending on its starting mechanics. They also break down the new Season Pass card Shao-Lau the Undying, analyzing if it's the "Zombie Giant Man" upgrade that Merlin & Werewolf decks have been waiting for.

Alex and KM also look back at the previous season, crowning Maverick as the undisputed best card of the month and debating whether Weapon X is a value trap for destroy players. Plus, things get heated as they discuss the "toxicity" of the fist-bump emote and whether Fin Fang Foom is just a power-crept Infinaut for Hella players.

Join Alex Coccia and special guest KM Best as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat—and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

You’ve been listening to The Snap Chat. Keep the conversation going on x.com/ACozyGamer and x.com/AlexanderCoccia. Until next time, happy snapping!

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction: The Most Demanded Guest in Snap Chat History
• 0:49 KM Best’s Intro: Rank 69 vs. Rank 67
• 1:11 The Reality of the Content Grind: "Real Jobs" vs. Yapping
• 5:02 Weapon X Review: Is it a "Bottom 3" Season Pass Card?
• 9:36 Last Season’s MVPs: Why Chamber & Maverick Stole the Show
• 17:04 New Season Preview: Is Shao-Lau the New "Zombie Giant Man"?
• 41:05 Lockheed & Kitty Pryde Lore: Naming the Dragon
• 42:56 KM’s Plea to Glenn Jones: Please Buff Kitty Pryde!
• 54:01 Lin Lie Iron Fist: The "Sword of Fu-Xi" Pronunciation Struggle
• 1:08:18 Fin Fang Foom: Is He Just a Power-Crept Infinaut for Hella?
• 1:17:56 Hot Take: Why the Fist Bump Emote is Actually Toxic
• 1:19:18 Stream Sniping & The "Ms. Marvel" Thumbs Up
• 1:26:25 KM’s Advice: How to Actually Get Good at Card Games
• 1:28:46 Shang-Chi Master of Rings: "God Gaming" or a Trap?
• 1:35:28 Real Talk: "Cozy Snap" Borders & Professional Jealousy
• 1:52:50 Final Thoughts: Where to Find KM Best

Transcript

Alex: 0:00

Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the Snapchat. Today I'm joined by, without question, the most demanded guest in Snapchat's history. And that is Km Vest. Km, my man. It is great to finally have you back on the Snapchat. Fun fact. Km is one of the only guests alongside Regis Kibin that we've had on the Snapchat alongside with Cozy when we did like a trio stream, like this was way, way long time ago. This was like when the first

KM Best: 0:24

2023?

Alex: 0:26

Yeah. Like an incredibly long time. Yeah. My man. How have you been? It's finally good to have you back.

KM Best: 0:31

I really appreciate being invited back on. I've been sitting on the outside sort of jealously watching everyone else go on the Snapchat. Been like, all right, well Alex and I just have beef now, so it's good that we can squash the beef. The Thank you. I, I, I drastic I appreciate the opportunity to do so. No, obviously I'm very, I'm very happy to be here. I'm can best I play a lot of Marvel Snap. I play it at a relatively high level. I do okay for myself. Check me out if you like seeing competitive Marvel Snap and a lot of Marvel yapping. I do a lot of talking. It's kind of my actual skillset. That's pretty much me though. I, it's pretty simple pitch. I, I, I'm okay at the game and I'm okay at talking. That's what I got.

Alex: 1:11

I love the fact that you say like that you're pretty good at Marvel Snap For the record, for anybody that might not be aware, like we're talking like rank one good at one point, like, so we're talking like incredibly talented, usually rank 69, I think you usually target rank 69 from my understanding. I

KM Best: 1:26

mean, the thing is, over the course of Marvel Snap's lifespan, which I think people underestimate, it's been like three years. The funny number has changed from 69 to 67. So it, it's gotten a little bit harder to do that right. By, by two ranks. Now it's just, it's a little bit harder to be funny and get free internet clout for just like hitting a funny number. But yeah, generally speaking, like I, when I say pretty good, I mean pretty good. Like I think I'm a pretty good player. I think I can help you get to be a better player. I've been ranked one before, but I would consider myself very much in my Michael Jordan on the Wizards arc. Uh, I I, I do okay for myself though. I, I, I think I'm all right. We have a ton to talk about though. And a lot of those things are way more important than whether I'm rank one or rank 67.

Alex: 2:09

I can't believe that the number 67 is now more popular than 69. Like that is making me lose faith in humanity as a whole, to be honest with you. But that's a whole other discussion, I guess.

KM Best: 2:20

Yeah, I I mean, you look at both of us, you could see a little bit of gray hair rights. Yeah. Why it's from that specifically, why? Yeah. No, like, like we see things changing around us, and our reaction to that is fear and suspicion. And frankly, this new 67 number six seven, it's never gonna touch what we had with 69.

Alex: 2:42

It's never gonna do it. I just like the fact that I know someone somewhere is listening to this on their tv and their kids keep hearing us say six, seven, and they're like oh, they're going crazy. Right? Um, the other thing that I've noticed is like, this dragon is definitely encroaching on my physical space. Like, I, I feel very, you are a little

KM Best: 2:59

warm. I'm getting like a little, yeah. Like a little, a little overheated. I, I, I really like when I, when you tell me you like, oh, I need to get the art ready for this episode. I didn't expect it to be like this is great art and I don't want to denigrate the art, but it does sort of look like he's spitting a really big hot Cheeto at you. I think that's exactly what the artist

Alex: 3:19

was going for.

KM Best: 3:20

Could, like, this is, this is exactly the goal. You could like eat it is all I'm saying.

Alex: 3:24

Yeah, precisely. Alright. You are right. We do have a lot to talk about this. This is like a massive, massive episode and it's, I couldn't have a better guest here. And guys, I gotta tell you down below, you're gonna have to make sure you go to Cam BES YouTube channel. There is so much amazing content there. Be sure to subscribe. You're doing me a favor. You're doing km. Best a favor. Why Alex, how are you? How am I doing? You a favor. By subscribing to KM Best because he is keeping the content community alive. Man. There are very few content creators on the grind. Like KM Best is,

KM Best: 3:55

I gotta tell you, people talk about like, oh, content creation. Like, it's so hard. Like, look, my, I am not on the grind. You have a real job and a YouTube channel and a family. You're on the grind. I have two cats, a dog, a loving partner, and no kids. It is a lot easier for me to do what I do than for you to do what you do. I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you say that.

Alex: 4:19

I, while I appreciate that, I think that at the end of the day, we're all grinding, right? And I often think about it like, you know what? There's, there's people out there supporting their families doing like, you know, crazy amounts of shift work, overtime pay. They're grinding too, man. It's, it's, each one of us has putting the work in. I don't even

KM Best: 4:34

wanna say they're grinding too. No, no, no, no. They're grinding. I'm not. I've worked, I've worked in a, in a let's say unnamed sandwich shop before. Trust me, I'll take this any day of the week. Like this is, I don't want to even put myself in conversations with people that have real jobs. I'm not about that.

Alex: 4:55

Fair enough. Alright, so long story short guys, make sure you are subscribed to Cam best down below. And we are going to be talking about. A review of last season because listen, last season was actually a really interesting one. Before we get into the previews of all the new cards, listen, we're gonna talk about the new season pass cards. We're gonna talk about the Series five cards, the series four cards. We're gonna talk about all of it today, but I think that it'd be beneficial to take a little step back in time.'cause if you're watching this on Monday or Tuesday, there is a chance you might be like, okay, hold on. Do I get the new or it's not, no, not the new one. Do I get the season passed prior to expiring? Is weapon X worth it? We're gonna talk about whether or not Weapon X is worth it, and also we're talk about some of the standout cards from the past season. So km, I'm gonna pass to you first. Do you think weapon X is worth it? If someone is holding onto their 10 US dollars, debating whether or not they buy into the season pass at the last minute to get the season pass card.

KM Best: 5:47

No season pass is ever bad value. Just sort of fundamentally how they're set up their good value. As long as you're playing the game, even a small amount, you will get your money's worth from a season pass better than you get it from any other product. In Marvel Snap Weapon X the card is not very good. Now, the real question for whether or not you're like, oh, do I wanna go out and buy a season pass is almost totally unrelated to the card specifically. A lot of the time it's related to, are you going to make other purchases because the floor of a season pass is you get a series five pack that you roll badly on. If the card is bad, that's effectively what would be happening. Weapon X is not. The worst card of all time, but it is probably like a bottom three season pass card of the year. I think that's a reasonable statement for where its power level is at. Even in that context, if you're going to be making one purchase in Marvel Snap, the season pass would be a better purchase than anything else you could in terms of the value you get for your money.

Alex: 6:47

Oh, there's no question. That's true. From a value perspective, the season pass, especially you consider like the weekend missions and everything that comes along with it is seriously the best value in the game. And if you were to say, okay, well if I wanna buy a card for$10, no series five card is going to, you're gonna get for 10 bucks, right? Like the amount of value you get for that$10 is pretty, uh, is pretty up there. Now what's fascinating is I think that your perspective on what Weapon X is doing might be a little different than the more casual perspective because in your brackets of RS I'm thinking you're seeing a lot more shadow king, right? And the result of that is that a cart like this, which is a shadow king magnet, is gonna feel way, way worse, right? Overall though I absolutely do agree this card at the end of the season, all the stats across the entire season would showcase that the best versions of destroy are not running weapon X. Right? It's that simple. If you're gonna play the top version of destroy, you're not playing Weapon X stuck.

KM Best: 7:40

I think it's less about Shadow King.'cause you're right that there are like some effects that happen there where the better you are at the game, the more shadow king peeled you are right now. So this card gets worse, but. The real thing that happens when you play destroy with this cart is you just find that it's not worth going off curve to establish the sky. When you could be setting up for a turn three destroy with a couple of other one drops, you could be snowballing with your Deadpool. The thing that keeps destroy really sort of consistently functional as a deck is that a lot of its point output is on the final turn of the game, which means it can manipulate priority pretty well. So no matter what changes, if you get a big enough Deadpool and a big enough null, you're gonna beat whatever it is. The new hotness is. You can always do that, but you need to be using your turns to make that happen. And in order to establish Weapon X, he takes off from that. You have to take time to get this guy on the board that you should be using, setting up your more powerful game plans. And that is largely the thing he runs into with Destroy. It's not necessarily that he's like actively bad or anything like that, it's just I don't think he makes the deck better. I think the stats probably back up that he doesn't make the deck better, and I think that if you are going to get a card, it should probably make the deck that it goes in better instead of worse.

Alex: 9:04

And it's pretty fascinating to think that like a car, like Weapon X itself, like literally can get over 20 power, right? Yeah. In and of itself, right? Like it's kind of crazy what it can do individually. But as a whole in a 12 card package, that deck ultimately does not overperform a Moira X head pool Deadpool style list, which is kind of fascinating. And that's a good lesson to be learned for. Like sometimes in a vacuum, an individual card that could be a two 20 somehow still doesn't quite make the cut in terms of a competitive shell. Right. It's more than a sum of its parts, I suppose. So anyways, yeah. So weapon x, I want to take this to another direction though. Were there any cards throughout the course of the season that really stood out to you from a surprising standpoint? I have a couple. Like I actually thought this season as a whole was particularly strong. I think that really the only one that landed on its face a little bit I would suggest is, uh, Phantom XI felt like Phantom X wasn't great, although I, I definitely saw the potential there. But if I had to pick one specific card that genuinely surprised me way beyond what I expected, I would say it's, it's marrow. I thought Marrow was way better than I expected. I listen, I expected to love Aurora. I expected to love Maverick Marrow, though I did not expect to enjoy playing and I literally did. So I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on, uh, some of the cards from the last season.

KM Best: 10:20

I enjoyed Marrow a fair bit, but I'll counter with another two, three, and that is Chamber. Who is single handedly responsible for ramp being as good of a deck as it is right now? I guess you could argue, you know, okay. Yeah. It was the war machine change, which don't get me wrong, the war machine going to a five cost and chancer going to a five cost. That stuff helped that deck a lot. This two, three is why that deck is as good as it's, and that deck has just consistently been a top performer throughout whatever things have been thrown at it. It has consistently shown up, and a lot of why it does that is just at every spot on the curve, it's playing a really big guy. This is like a two 11. You put it in a lane with a couple of fives. You go this, you play electro, you blink the electro all in the same lane. You play a big guy in there, you have 35 power. That's turn five, turn six. You play presumably the finau and a war machine, so you have 35 power in one lane. That's just gonna be too big for people to deal with most of the time, 27, wherever else you want it. That formula works and it works because of him.

Alex: 11:29

I like this call a lot because honestly, chamber of all the cards released last season might actually be right now one of the more meta relevant ones that just literally is slotted into an archetype where at the two drop slot, like those types of ramp decks, like you were adding things like Jeff, I'm not like recently, but like you were adding like random things at the two slot. Now you have an actual powerhouse at the two slot, which I think has drastically increased the win rates drastically increased the performance. And you're right, the change, I, I don't don't even wanna say Nerf, the change to war machine from four to a five cost definitely does help chamber out a lot. The last kind of, uh, one I just wanna show out'cause we have so many cards we gotta talk about today. Can I just, can I just

KM Best: 12:05

say one thing that's I think is really interesting across, we just talked about weapon x wolverine, we talked about chamber and you, the way you phrased it sort of triggered something in my brain, which is you have to think about these cards as value over replacement. The reason weapon X isn't good in the destroy deck is because you're not getting more out of him than you would from something else in there. He is providing negative value over replacement. The reason chamber is so good in the ramp deck is they just wasn't a card that was doing this before. There is no good replacement here. So his, his value over replacement is however many points bigger he is than Jeff, which is like eight most games. It's huge. And so like that concept I think is really important in evaluating how a card is actually gonna land. And I thought chamber would be like pretty good. I didn't think he'd be this good.

Alex: 12:51

Yeah. Like I expect him to be pretty decent, but like, I'm talking like maybe three, three and a half, four star decent. He's definitely over four star. He's like in that four star range.

KM Best: 13:00

Four and a half. Easy. Yeah.

Alex: 13:01

Yeah. Like he's definitely a really good car and he's definitely the surprise of the season. Right. What I was gonna say is if this season I wanna do a quick callback, not even from this season. Sure. I gotta say that like Spider-Man noir really the change to Spider-Man noir the increase of the floor. I've really liked playing it. I played Spiderman Noir in a Maverick deck. I was super excited to play Maverick. I love Maverick. It helped Galactic quite a bit. It helped Surfer quite a bit. Are they s to your decks? No, but still really like it. And I wanna say that I think Spiderman Noir might actually be a cool card now, and it's not even the last time I'm gonna bring'em up today.

KM Best: 13:34

I definitely agree with that. I'll, I'll tell you the sort of pessimist take on Spider-Man Noir though is like, they released the card, it didn't work very well and they got this rework of it and it almost makes me wonder like, why wasn't this the original card? Like I see this card and I'm like, this is such a better card. It is such a better design. I don't understand how in two weeks you were able to just go into the lab and be like, nailed it. Fix the entire card. This could have, so two weeks earlier, this could have been the card. Like it's, it is, it's one of those things, it's like this is such a better card, such a better design than what it was before that. I almost wonder how the other card even got as far as it did.

Alex: 14:18

I wonder honestly, if this was like the original design and then they're like, yo, it's too hot. Bring it down. And then they released it and it's like, yo, this is poo. Bring it back up. You know what I mean?

KM Best: 14:27

I don't know. It's an unbelievable, like, for a two week design job, that's just really impressive. Honestly. I really consider that like, a genuinely very well put together thing.

Alex: 14:37

Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, yeah, I mean, on, at the end of the day, honestly, last season was pretty successful. I like Aurora fastball specials, solid, uh, wild child. We'll see where he ends up, uh, weapon h finally starting to make some waves and discard, um, you know, the weapon, h apocalypse and vers of discards somehow performing better than I would've expected in the long term. So, uh, all these cards have largely been good. So overall, a good season, cam, best, what do you think?

KM Best: 15:02

Yeah, I mean, I, I do think we'd be doing a disservice to talk about the season without talking about the best card in the season. I don't know if you had it scheduled, you were like gonna segue into this, uh, ahead of time and I'm blowing it. But Maverick is the best card in this season, and I, I, my five star baby, let's go. He's a beast. Like this guy is a beast that honestly feels like he will only ever get better in the future. And I, I think thinking of cards like saying they'll only ever get better in the future, that's, you could say that about pretty much any card. It's kind of a cop out mode of analysis. But this is a guy who is a linchpin of any deck that wants to buff anything. He is the bridge between, I would like to enable something to get bigger and then pass that on to something even bigger. Whatever you're doing. If it has a brew to Sebastian Shaw, captain Carter, it has this, this card is arguably more important than that. It is an absolute all star, an absolute stud. I didn't see the Joe Casta stuff coming. I did see the Surfer stuff coming. And generally, I just think this is a card that has a lot going against it. In the high level metagame, a lot of the high level metagame involve shadow King, cosmic ghost writer, deafening chord. That's some popular stuff. This is still the best of the cards that came out last month and in arguably the most hostile possible metagame for a card. Like

Alex: 16:25

it's true. The Metagame is so hostile towards this. The amount of times I've had Maverick deafening corded is actually sad to the point where like, I hear the sound and my, my blood immediately starts boiling. Like at least with Cosmic Ghost Rider, you got the animation and it's like late enough in the game where you're like, oh, like maybe I could have activated this earlier with deafening cord. It's just a direct kick in the pants that feels so awful. But you know what? It's okay. We knew that card was gonna be good and it makes perfect sense that it, it is good. And you know what, we might even be talking about transitioning into the new season, more about cards that, uh, you know, maybe one drops might have some more value upcoming and maybe deafening cord will be brought up. Once again. But in the meantime, km we got a whole new season to talk about my man, an entire new season of cards coming to Marvel Snap. And it starts right now with, and I'm scared because I'll be honest with you, cam, I don't know how to pronounce like five or six of the cards here. And so people are gonna roast me so hard in the comments. So this is what I'm gonna ask. Okay. Top voided comment, just a polite explanation as to how to pronounce these cards as opposed to like the constant harassment that I'm sure both of us will take over the course of the month.

KM Best: 17:34

You didn't tell me that was gonna happen. I'm sorry. When you invited me on this podcast, I thought I was free to mispronounce names. I didn't realize people would hold me accountable for this.

Alex: 17:43

Okay. First of all, I'm like, no, I've built my entire career on mispronouncing names. I That's true. I call Luke Cage Nicholas Cage exclusively, which confuses people because Nicholas Cage is Spider-Man noir. And so like, they don't know what I'm talking about. And I've, I've called Marrow Marrow Mar, I, I'm still messing it up like in this moment. Okay. Marrow's

KM Best: 18:02

kind of crazy, dude.

Alex: 18:04

Yeah, exactly, dude. Exactly. That's,

KM Best: 18:06

you're really pushing it with that one. I don't even know how you got there. That's amazing.

Alex: 18:11

Isn't like French thing. I don't know how it's like, it's like bone marrow, but I keep forgetting how to say bone marrow, and I'm like, it's bone marrow. And I'm like, oh God, no. No, it's not. And then, so anyways, buddy, apparently I can't read bone

KM Best: 18:22

marrow is like a holiday and like a dark fantasy novel. Like, so we, we No, it just sounds like, it's like we're going to, we're going to bone marrow tomorrow. It's, it's like the holiday where we remember our ancestors and my upcoming It sounds like a d campaign book. Yeah. Bone marrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a, the evil castle that like a Dracula type lives in.

Alex: 18:41

See, I I love that we can talk, well this,'cause I know like, first I love books and I know you do too. But you're also are, I believe you're the one who talked me out of reading, uh, the name in the Wind.'cause you said it wasn't finished.

KM Best: 18:53

I, yes,

Alex: 18:54

I bought the book.

KM Best: 18:55

I, I will stand by that. He's never gonna finish those books. And also the longer you let them percolate, like they're great to read, right? You read them. They're a great read. The longer you let it percolate, the longer you start thinking about them. And everyone who's read these books has been thinking about them for 10 years because he's never gonna make release stores of stone. The more you realize that the main character is just like the best at everything consistently in a way that is perhaps unsatisfying. It's like they're really good books. But also you will be signing yourself up for a lifetime of pain. I think of Patrick Rothfus not releasing doors of Stone, which won't happen. Okay.

Alex: 19:35

So anyways, I bought the book, but just don't, still don't read it. Well, if you have the book, you might as well. No, but then I'm gonna be emotionally upset at the fact that like, yeah, join me

KM Best: 19:43

in the lifetime of pain. Nah, I don't wanna do that. You know what they say about misery, right?

Alex: 19:49

She destroys the, the cards and makes them reveal.

KM Best: 19:52

Yep. No, that's exactly what they say about misery. That's true. Okay,

Alex: 19:55

so I'm glad we're on the same page all. So we have the five eight show lau, which is the one I'm going show Lau the undying, which is the premium season pass. I like you said. Sure. Which makes me wonder if I just said it wrong and you know, I've said it wrong. You're like, sure. No, I just literally

KM Best: 20:07

don't know. I was gonna call him Shall la I'm sure it's actually something like the actual pronunciation of this almost certainly involves Chinese tones that I do not know. So I'm gonna Americanize it. I think you're gonna canadianize it and we're gonna arrive at two different but equally incorrect pronunciation.

Alex: 20:26

Okay. That's, that's perfect. I'm glad we're establishing this nice and early. I'm gonna go schlau, um, the undying, the premium sa, uh, season pass card. It is a five eight that reads on reveal give the last character you played plus three power for each turn you played two or more cards. Km I'm gonna give you the floor here. Okay. But I'm just gonna preempt and say that I think this card is really good.

KM Best: 20:53

Oh, that was the, do you want me to, I, I can elaborate on that, but I also think this card is really good. Now I'm gonna go with Okay. Shall allow, because that rhymes. So I've Americanized that you've canadianized it. I'm sure someone in the comments will tell us what it actually is. This is a card to me that recognizes the learned lessons of zombie giant man. People forget that zombie giant man wasn't always a good card. They OO td effectively three power onto the dude and also buffed his package. And when I say learned the lessons of zombie giant man, what I mean is it's really hard to make a good five in Marvel Snap. A lot of five drops tend to be one of two archetypes. They're either like a five, six to five eight that has like a beneficial effect for you or like just a really big guy. The way I like to refer to this is five drops are either legions or devil Dinosaurs and the devil dinosaurs are typically pretty weak to anything that blows up a big guy. So they've been in a pretty awkward spot for a very long time. The legions are the ones that tend to see the most play. Your cannonballs, your hellions, things of that nature. Even though generally I think you could argue Cannonball is his own little, this guy is like if they made Gilgamesh, but he was good is sort of where I'm at with this card. It's like, you so much is good. I disagree. This is, this is like what if they made a five drop card that was actually worth doing outside of your like hyper-specific archetype, right? Because the way this card works, it does push you in a certain direction. It's just that the direction it pushes you is exactly the direction that is already profitable for you to go in. You have a Merlin werewolf deck. You wanna be playing this, you're playing Merlin, you're playing werewolf. You're playing playing Prowler. I think one of the things people don't notice about this card, they read this and they shortcut it. This card is not thena. It doesn't say you have to play exactly two cards. It says you have to play two or more. So you're not gated on the amount of cards you can play. You can do a bunch of stuff. So when I look at this card, I see this is a 5 17 3 prox or a five 20 with four prox. That is what I am looking at when I see this card. I see two bodies, five 17 to five 20. I look at Merlin werewolf decks that are currently playing, frankly kind of embarrassing top end in an nihilist century. There's nothing wrong with an nihilist century. It's a fine thing. This is way better than that. This is just a bigger thing to be doing on the card. I think a lot of the time. I do note that, you know, Merlin werewolf decks get to do cool stuff with Hood. They get to do cool stuff with Sentry. It's not like this card is free there, but I would imagine some kind of Merlin werewolf shallow deck is just going to be really good. Perhaps even in the context of being a second zombie giant man in a zombie version of the Merlin werewolf deck. So you can have this and an absorbing man. Plenty of things seem very plausible with this card. Uh, it looks to me like maybe the first Elite five drop they've made. That is going to come out as an elite card.

Alex: 24:11

Yeah. So there's a couple things to touch on here. First of all, thanks for trying to demonetize us by talking about the size of giant man's buff package. That was unfortunate, but, um, I didn't

KM Best: 24:18

even

Alex: 24:19

think about that.

KM Best: 24:21

Like, that didn't even occur to me. If it had occurred to me, I would've leaned into it more. I didn't even

Alex: 24:27

notice. I, I noticed enough to bring it up like five minutes later. So there's that, I guess that that gives a good indication of, uh, what my maturity level's like. I will tell you though, that I absolutely agree with your assessment, right? Like the werewolf by night package with an nilus anti by night or whatever you wanna call it, it actually like top tier right now. It's doing amazing work. And the fact that you have a season pass card that literally can almost just like cha-ching slot into an amazing archetype right now that's doing super good, that already should give you some degree of confidence, right? Because while some season pass cards require like a lot of inherent cooking, like Weapon X is kind of an example. This, you could take a weapon X and just slammed them into a destroy deck. But you knew that was kind of shitty. Like you knew that wasn't gonna quite work, right? But like, yeah, you try to cook with it. You tried to put like the, the Shauna in there, the squirrel girls and stuff, but that's, that actually ends up being a different thing altogether, right? With this, you're basically taking that an NIS package and you're pulling it out and you're supplanting it with something that honestly is gonna do something amazing. And I like here that like. Secondary, clearly learned lessons from past mistakes. It's targeted. The last character you played in a deck like this, you're gonna be playing lots of skills. You can play them with impunity, you don't have to worry about them or you can throw them out there. You mentioned, uh, Prowler, who I think is gonna be great here, obviously, because, you know, with the amount of movement happening in a deck like that, Prowler gonna love the fact that it's gonna be able to play some free skills down, which are honestly fantastic. And, um, at the end of the day, this is gonna be a very high impact card. I think it's gonna be a legit build around. And the other thing worth mentioning here is like Merlin deafening cord, uh, even the Majestic Wing beat right? All, which I think is gonna be less relevant. I'm just saying there's all these skills that have been added to the game and the skills themselves have been legit. All the prowler skills are legit for the most part. And so as a result, like I think this card is gonna find a very natural synergy here. And I wanna throw one more deck archetype to you. I know people thinking about like an obvious Kitty P one, but I want, I wanna throw Thanos for a second. I think Thanos is a place where you naturally are playing many cards at once. Those stones, you're milling through them pretty fast. They're trying to get, like, get through your deck and stuff like that. And so does something like this replace, actually you, Steven used to play Devil dinosaurs in older Thanos style decks, right? I'm not even sure what, what's a five drop in Thanos right now? I'm just trying to think what I would play. But anyways, this could potentially be a fit in Thanos. It's

KM Best: 26:42

the first steps. Usually people are playing Think first steps for an Aurora package with Thanos is typically how people are building it right now. This does seem better. Like my, my question would be like. Are we willing to polarize the deck in that way? Because this card's gonna be really bad if you don't start out strong by like it's not gonna catch you up, but your good draws are gonna be even more overpoweringly good with this card, which is notable to me.

Alex: 27:09

This is a little too snowballing maybe for Thanos. I,

KM Best: 27:12

I think largely my biggest thing is like I feel like Thanos is held back by itself, not by the card quality of the other stuff that goes in it. I think it's a fine enough archetype that could potentially do some interesting things. But when I think about building around shall Lao, I think this it, it's like card 11 or 12 in your Thanos stack where it's like card, I don't know, five in your like absorbing man's zombie deck that is playing this in it. Like it is a card that I think can go in Thanos and I wouldn't be surprised to be in Thanos, but I think it kind of conflicts with a being an Aurora deck or B being a spectrum deck. And that's kind of what a lot of Thanos decks have been built around recently. I can see it in the Aurora version, but it's a little bit harder to envision for me than I think it would have been before it became clear that Thanos was a little bit sub meta power

Alex: 28:11

level a lot of

KM Best: 28:11

the time.

Alex: 28:12

Yeah, that's absolutely fair. Right. Thanos has seen so many changes. At the end of the day, he's always inevitable. He's always gonna make a comeback, like he's always gonna have his time to shine. Right. But it has been a while. I was hoping that that Aurora was gonna be the moment that really brought Thanos forward, and I think Aurora helped to be honest with you. Yeah, I thought the Thanos versus Aurora was a lot of fun, to be honest with you. So we'll have to see. Now there is an obvious one, kitty Pride. You mentioned Thena before. Uh, where do you think Kitty Pride is gonna fit in with, uh, with show? Low

KM Best: 28:39

Kitty Pride is one of my, I guess probably three favorite Marvel Snap cards on the planet. I love the idea of playing kitty pride decks. I worry that it just simply won't happen for a, a couple of reasons, but a lot of them are just down to the fact that there's a lot of really good one cost spells and a lot of cards that generate one cost skills, sorry, I called them spells. I'm sure nobody's ever made that mistake. All of those cards work better with a werewolf by night, and so it's hard for me to envision playing a kitty pride deck when the scalers for Kitty Pride. Things like Angela Hope Summers, that kind of stuff are just so much worse than even like a Nick Scratch werewolf by Night Deck would. And I feel like if I'm looking at one of my favorite cards in Marvel Snap and I'm like, I'm not even sure this compares well to Nick's scratch, it might be time to revisit Kitty Pride and give her a little bit of a, a little bit of love in this context because. It does feel like a season that is made for her. There's another card in here that's like, this has gotta be it. But I wouldn't be surprised if her role has just been totally supplanted by these very efficient, cheap card one cost generators. There's the skills, there's the, uh, Kate Bishop Arrows. So you have Prowler Merlin, Kate Bishop. There's so many things that can fill your curve the way Kitty Pride is meant to do such that you kind of don't need her now. And that makes me really sad.'cause like I said, she's one of my favorite cards they've ever made.

Alex: 30:11

I, I love, I love Kitty Pride, but what I love about Kitty Pride, I'm gonna take this chance to talk about this again. I hope someone from second dinner's listening, if you can bring us back to the OG Kitty pride, like the one that you only had out for like a day or two before it broke the game. Yeah. If you, if you can bring that back, the, that crashed only 10% of the games that was in, I don't care if it's crashing 60% of the games. I want that card back. Could we, can we do that somehow? Is that the buffer waiting for like, the actual, like, tactile feel of bringing her back and forth and actually having fun playing Marvel Snap with Kitty Pride? My, one of my favorite cards ever that got immediately deleted, physically deleted from the game. Kim, you're laughing. I'm not laughing.

KM Best: 30:48

I, I, I'm laughing because it's like, I am so sure that that is a non-functional thing. And I, I'll tell you, I'll tell you my theory for why it's a non-functional thing. There's no way they can do that. Here's my source. They can't do Twitch drops.

Alex: 31:02

Oh damn. I have no idea. Like there's just no way

KM Best: 31:05

there. It just is not happening. Like I look at that and I'm like, that would be awesome if they tried to implement that. It would take a team off of what I presume is an important thing. There's just no way. There is absolutely no way. I love that card too. Remember being remember, but like everything was so wrong about her. Remember you could play her through Wave

Alex: 31:24

I. There was so many, it was completely broken. Like

KM Best: 31:26

Wave used to set every card to four except Kitty Pride because she existed in some sort of liminal space between the hand of the board and the existence of that liminal space. It's great flavor for her power set. It's amazing. I strongly suspect that it would crash every single game it was involved in.

Alex: 31:46

Yeah. Kitty pride, the original kitty pride existed between the game. Like the code, like it was like the servers were like just begging for mercy with the, or all of people don't even remember. So original Kitty Pride, you'd actually have to like click her and bring her back to your hand and then replay her. Yeah. And she was, she was like actually higher sta wasn't she like a 1 1 2? That two She was a one two

KM Best: 32:08

that got plus two. Yes. Yeah.

Alex: 32:11

Oh, she was so good. It was stupid. My absolute

KM Best: 32:12

queen just the greatest card ever made. You'd play a wave, right? Wave used to set every card to four, but because Kitty Pride was on the board at the beginning of the turn for whatever reason, it just didn't happen for her. So you'd bring the kitty pride back to your hand and play her out because that's the mechanic that she would do your death would get discounted and then you'd play Death Kitty Pride and a six drop and that was your Thanos end game. It was amazing for three days. And then they were like, we cannot have this card exist.

Alex: 32:43

Yeah. So while Kitty pride's doing that, the servers are like,

KM Best: 32:45

can't do. Yes.

Alex: 32:47

And like, just dying. That's, that's a whole other meme on and of itself. But anyways, yeah. We gotta move on. Oh, with that being said, if we're gonna talk about Kitty pride is, okay, I'm just gonna throw this out there. I'm just throwing it out there. I've thought about this is buffing Angela just buffing Kitty Pride.

KM Best: 32:59

Yeah, but I'd rather Buff Kitty. Like I think that buffing Angela probably carries more inherent risk because she's a series one or two card, I believe. And so like there is like a whole different bit of new player experience to think about when it comes to buffing Angela. Where Buffing Kitty pride, I think is basically. A, they're gonna have more latitude to do that'cause they don't have to think about the early series experience. And B, I'd rather just the buff goes on the card that I actually wanna, that's sort of where I'm at.

Alex: 33:28

That's completely fair. Alright, now that we've been completely derailed, uh, back to shale, uh, star rating, I'm going uh, four to 4.5 range for me.

KM Best: 33:36

To me, this is a four and a half star car. I think he's just gonna be in a billion mid range XI think he looks a pretty obscenely strong. I find it hard to believe that he's not very good. Uh, uh That is contextual, right? Like, let's say they obliterate Merlin and werewolf off the face of the earth. Yeah. I mean, he is probably gonna be a fair bit worse. Like, if they get rid of the best cards to play with this guy, I would imagine him being a fair bit worse. But Merlin Wolf pile is already pretty good. This guy is a pretty good thing to be doing in Merlin Wolf pile. I, I think he will be a pretty consistent part of future meta games. Barring catastrophe.

Alex: 34:13

I think this is just a very strong card. If Merlin Wolf pile gets too good, start playing some Mercury kingpin. I don't know man. We will figure it out. I guess I'm just, I That was a joke cam. I know already you're like, bro, like what is it?

KM Best: 34:26

I'm sitting here like, what's kingpin do What? What's kingpin

Alex: 34:29

even do? I don't remember Stats. A one two, isn't he?

KM Best: 34:33

Yeah. Ah, weird. Anyway,

Alex: 34:35

yeah, anyways, he exists. Okay. This new card, the super premium season pass card. It, uh, contains only English base words. So I think I'm gonna be good on this one. I'm actually thinking of ways how I can mispronounce that. Yeah. Marrow is an English word, right? Thank you for that, cam, I appreciate that. Okay. Just making sure. Um, dragon of the Moon, the super premium season pass card, a three two that reads on Reveal Steal one Power from even costed cards in all hands. And I'm just gonna throw this out there as a random thought. All hands is a Marvel Snap free for all game mode incoming. I don't like how many people did they expect to be playing Marvel Snap at once? I just, they kind of stood out to me. No

KM Best: 35:17

it, I gotta tell you, it did not stand out to me. I, I read a lot of this stuff as like, they just have to make sure that you actually read what the card is. So like, if I were a game designer, what I'd be doing is I would capitalize everything that, like, someone would be like, what's this? And so all hands I think is really important to capitalize before you put this into your deck and you're like, I'm gonna steal from my opponent. And then you run it in a deck with a bunch of even cost cards and you're like, why is it stealing from me? For me, and I thought about this pronunciation for a while, I'm going with Dragoon of the Mon. I, I think that's right. I think this card is really bad. I don't see it at all. Like, we go from a very exciting and powerful and interesting season pass card. This is probably the biggest Delta. In my feelings toward a season pass card and then the super premium card that I have ever had. Like normally I'm like, oh, the season pass card is better. But not by like, the most massive amount. The super premium card has almost never been better, but it's usually been pretty good. This guy is just like, I don't think I'm gonna be playing him. And if I'm wrong about that, I'm not sure how I'm wrong about,

Alex: 36:34

I'm glad you brought this up because like I was looking at this card and I always try to think ahead of like what kind of decks I'm gonna be building for it. And with this deck, with this card, all the decks I'm looking at building are terrible. And I'm like, I don't, would I ever, like, am I actually building a master mold Ronan deck for this? Like, I like, and I'm like, you're, you're laughing, but seriously, what the hell are you supposed to do with this? No, I'm not laughing. That's what you build with it. Like, that's real

KM Best: 36:57

thing you do. Like that's what you're doing. I thought it was crazy. Like, oh, okay, no, like, yeah, like you're not wrong. It's just like they're like, this is a, a fairly mediocre card that has almost all terrible homes. Just a bad combo.

Alex: 37:14

Like I don't think it goes into affliction.'cause you're always gonna play hazmat instead, right? Mm-hmm. So like it doesn't go into affliction master mold on curve into this is like, okay. Like I guess it's okay. Really. Right? It's probably like a pretty big guy.

KM Best: 37:29

Like you play like a three nine, a three 10 or whatever. You're into that, right? But it's just like. I is that fundamentally changing anything about this deck or this archetype? Is that, am I gonna be playing master bold, super giant? You could talk me into that. I, I, you could talk me into being like, I'm gonna play master mold. Ronan super giant and this is just like a really big guy. But one thing that I think is really notable about this card is it gets worse if you play it later. And a lot of good cards are really good to be played on the final turn of the game. A lot of the power of a three cause card is you play this in a shadow king or whatever, right on the final turn of the game, and this guy's really big, but on the final turn of the game, both you and your opponent have gotten all the cards outta your hand that this guy would be stealing from. It's like the anti clutch gene. The later in the game this card gets played. The worst it is,

Alex: 38:17

bro. Here we go. Turn two master mold, turn three grand, master plus one. Okay. Turn four. Super giant. Turn five Ronan. Actually no. Super giant. I screwed this up already. No, super giant. Okay. Alright. Turn five Ronan. And then mystique into dragon of the Moon or dragon goon of the mon drag. Goon of the mon. Yeah.

KM Best: 38:36

That is kind of cool, but like, you look at all this work you've gone into for, I don't know, like ballpark it for me, right? Like this is gonna be, let's say nine power. The mystique is gonna be, let's say 16, right? Something in that range. That's cool. Like those numbers are cool, but like you're kind of putting in like a combo deck level of work for the output of like, I played a shallow. It's like I, like what am I what's like, I don't know. This guy's weird. Like the fact he kind of just seems like you only ever wanna play him on turn two and or turn three. And only after you play a mastermind and the rest of it is just like, I don't know what I'm trying to do this, what I'm trying to do with this card.

Alex: 39:21

Okay. So I'm gonna preface this by saying that what I'm about to say is half a joke, but I'm actually a hundred percent serious at the same time. So I'm giving this card two stars. Mm-hmm. However, I can see a world where this is five stars. Do I hear this scenario? Please. This is the most broken card this season. If we've completely misunderstood what this text says on reveal, steal one power from even costed cards in all hands and by all hands. Ah, each person in each card has two hands. Right. But dude, dragons have four hands because you know what I mean? Like, if you're stealing power from each individual hand, I'm, yeah. Right. Okay.

KM Best: 40:01

Yeah I'm totally with you. Uh, arguing about whether a Wing is a hand is definitely key to this card functioning. I thought you were gonna go a different direction. Steal one power from even cost of cards in all hands. And what it does is it looks at every concurrent game of Marvel Snap being played and steals one power. Oh, that's even from even cars card. In all hands. That's a five star card. I'm gonna give this a one star though.

Alex: 40:25

Okay. That sounds about right. Honestly, one star's really low to me though. Like one Star is like this. Like one star was like, what was the last one Star I gave, I can't even remember the last, I gave some absolutely despicable cards. One star, like, it's not that bad. Like one star is like unplayable garbage. Like just go to bed that week.

KM Best: 40:44

Yep.

Alex: 40:45

All right. Okay. I'm a spoken, I've just, yep. I just, okay. I'm, I'm actually trying to remember what the last one Star card was for me. It was, um, I can't remember. It's been that long. Jeez. Someone in the chat will remember someone in the chat remembers things more than I do. I'll tell you that right now. Um, yeah, that's a good bet. In the chat, I mean in the comments section, different platforms, different times. But we do have, Lockheed, Lockheed is a purple dragon. He actually looks cool. It makes me wonder like, first of all, where these are from. I'm very unfamiliar with all of these. The characters that are coming lock coming up next Lockheed

KM Best: 41:15

is Kit Pride's pet. What? I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. She has a pet dragon named Lockheed after the X-Men have like an SR 71 Blackbird. That's what the X jet is, and she named it Lockheed. So it is, it is literally named after the military arms contractor, Lockheed Martin. That is like the origin of Kitty pride's dragon friend who literally, she just has a dragon. It's like a pretty small dragon that like lives on her shoulder. But if you look at some kitty pride variants, you'll see Lockheed in there. So the, the, the ability here having a kitty pride, synergy. They're doing that for a good thing. I also just really wanna point out your graphic designer really on point here. Uh, seeing the name Lockheed and using the chains is so sick. Wild chains and locks. That's so amazing. Oh, that's, that's really good. That's a kudos to your graphic design team.

Alex: 42:07

Thank you. Thank you. I'm taking all the credit for something I'd have nothing to do with. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I'll say though that, um, Lockheed is a two one that reads, end of turn, if you played a one cost card, this turn afflict an enemy card here with negative to power. A couple things worth noting here. First, the word here applies to the actual affliction, not necessarily the play. Play the play of the card. We're going with that word cam. Does that word exist? Yes or no? No. Okay. Thank you. It does now. It does now. Thank you. We're inventing things here today. Yeah. I think it's pretty good, man. I don't know. I I lean pretty good. I don't think like I, I've written four, but I think it might actually more be more like a three and a half. Like it's like an unenthusiastic four. But I don't think this is a bad card man. I think it's pretty legit. I think this is the kitty pride support that we are maybe looking forward to. This has to be kitty pride support.

KM Best: 43:02

Well, here's the problem, right? Okay. We're gonna do a kitty pride support. Right. We're is kitty pride support time problem. This works better with all the cards that do Kitty pride better than Kitty Pride does. You know, what's a zero cost card? You know what's a one cost card is every spell that Merlin generates. This is just saying add to power to every time you play a Merlin. That's cool. I I do want to do that. It's just not making me play Kitty pride.

Alex: 43:27

I love this fact that Kim is so competitive that he refused, like, I'm trying to give you reasons to pull your favorite card. You're like, no, I'm not having it. I know I don't wanna play this

KM Best: 43:35

like it, but my two favorite cards in Marvel Snap, I think are Kitty Pride and anti ve. And I try, Ooh, Anti-Venom is a hot call. I try, I try. And I just like, I, I do play a fair amount of anti-venom still just'cause that guy rocks and I just like throwing anti-venom blue cage into whatever I'm doing. And it's like, that's cool. It's really hard to justify kitty pride. It is so hard and I wish it wasn't. Glenn Jones, I beg of you, please intercede on behalf of Kitty Pride, who is not only probably my favorite card in Marvel Snap, probably my favorite character in a Marvel. I think you could argue,

Alex: 44:15

uh, Glen, if you don't, if you don't heed these words, I don't know what else we can do. That is the most heartfelt that I've ever seen Cam in my entire look at his eyes. Look at Cam's eye like he's not joking. Like he needs you right now. We need you to help Kitty pride. So thank you so much for listening to, uh, to this podcast and of course for taking our, uh, our banter seriously. There's a couple things.

KM Best: 44:37

Dude, you broke me at the end. I was trying to do the face. I couldn't.

Alex: 44:42

You were holding up so good too. I did

KM Best: 44:44

so good. Oh man. The puppy dog guys

Alex: 44:47

we're working for, that's right. I think we got him. Got him. Okay. We got Glen. He's, he's crying. He's emotionally engaged now. That's perfect. Okay. So yeah, there's so many we talked about before, there's so many impactful one costed skills, specifically skills, the Merlin skills, deafening chord. Right. It might be cope, but like, I'm gonna throw this out there. Like, what about clea? Is there a world Yeah. Where like we can get some sort of buff action, clea getting buffed. You're playing out the, uh, the flames of ine or whatever it's called. Another word I'm gonna pronounce for you. Boom, boom, boom affliction there. This is afflicting things affliction all over the place. Like it's gotta be a world where that works. Right? Not sure what that deck looks like yet, but just throw it out there.

KM Best: 45:23

I think that world was the world before they nerfed the data mind. New Shung Chi, who we'll probably get to, but Clia into that version of the rings actually probably does do what you're talking about now. It's also probably, you know, heinously broken, so they had to do something about it, presumably. But I, I do think we were actually probably pretty close to living in that world. Assuming you believe data mines are real, which half and half, right? A lot of them are, but some, like, sometimes you'll get like old eson, which is just like the world's fakest card. Like,

Alex: 45:59

yeah. Do you remember that one? Or what was the one that like, uh, you get, what was it? Uh, 16 cubes, doubles The cubes gained.

KM Best: 46:08

Mesto. Yes. The world's Fakest card. Yeah. There, there, there are some that are in there just to be like, like it pretty, it seems pretty clear that there's just like cards in the file that are just like, it does this function. Like we just wanna know if you, this works and not like we're gonna release this card.

Alex: 46:23

I wonder if they like intentionally release like super psycho stuff and data mines on purpose just to gauge like reaction that they know is gonna make no sense. You know what I mean? Like, uh, like a, like a two three that reads like on reveal, delete your point's collection. Just throw it out there. Ooh, they

KM Best: 46:38

should do that. They should actually put that in a data mine at some point. I I, I, the problem is like, whenever they do something fun, someone on the internet is like, I can't believe you spent any time on doing something fun instead of fixing whatever thing. Right? So like, whenever they make like a joke, they, someone's like, you spent time developing this three x value Dark Hawk emote that could have been spent on Nerfing this card that beats me instead. Like, it's that one, that one I think you'll, you're gonna see a lot. And so I think, I think if they try to do a joke there, it's gonna be like, oh, I don't know man.

Alex: 47:12

The one time that like, uh, Glen and the team, they made, like remember when like the robots took over and they did the OT notes and robot speak. I was one of the ones that like did that OT video at like two in the morning and completely like missed like multiple important pieces of information within the robot speak because I didn't pick up on like the clues being so like I can see why they're like, yeah, they're just not ready for this. Like we just need to tell them like that's all hands needs to be capitalized. They need to know that we're taking one energy from, sorry, we're stealing one power from all hands across Marvel snaps. All games currently happening. They need to, we need to capitalize it.

KM Best: 47:48

I think one of the biggest things you can learn from me is that I'm like ostensibly a pretty good player at card games generally. Like I've been rank one on this game. I've been rank one on MTG arena. I've been pretty good at a couple other card games before. I can't read. This is not a skillset I possess. And so it's like, I I think one of the things that having access to people who are like good at a specific niche teaches you is just how little there is in terms of carryover. We're all still human and we're all still stupid. Don't worry. I built my entire

Alex: 48:28

career off that, so I, I resonate with that. And I've never been rank one in pretty much anything. Actually, I guess the best, the best I, I managed was arguably.

KM Best: 48:38

You rank one at Marvel Snap, YouTube.

Alex: 48:41

Yeah. If, if Regis Kibin went on vacation, uh, no. Not even dude was releasing videos in his hotel room still. Like Regis has absolutely zero chill. Zero chill. Everyone. You guys know what I'm talking about. He was, this, his last video in, he was literally laying in bed recording with a microphone, holding a microphone that like, he dude has

KM Best: 49:01

absolutely serious. Dude, I gotta get on his level. I, I gotta, I gotta like, put my bed back here. I gotta level up.

Alex: 49:08

Yeah. And you know what? Yeah, you know what? Honestly, a bed would look great back there. Like a nice just mattress. I had a lot of things would look better than what it is right now.

KM Best: 49:14

I tell you. I think

Alex: 49:15

it's beautiful. I love like the just one coat of paint. Look you got going there right now. It's like, would

KM Best: 49:20

you believe that is four coats of paint? What the shittiest paint you've ever used is. I, I don't want to talk about it. Okay. Like, I just, I just don't want to talk about it. That is actually four coats of paint. I eventually was just like, screw this. It'll look like that. We're gonna pretend it's an artistic device to make it look like clouds. And then I never addressed it again.

Alex: 49:39

You know what, what apparently we are not addressing is Lockheed. We've barely talked about the card. I don't know how I'm gonna like bring this back here. Um, three and a half stars. Are you going three and a half? For reals?

KM Best: 49:51

Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so we're all the same. I think this is a bit of a cop pick for me'cause like, you know, I like this stuff, you know, I like. Merlin and Werewolf and all of that. And the problem with Lockheed is largely, it's gonna weirdly be the same problem that Aurora had, which is like, if I wanna play this sort of various mid-range types of things where it's like, okay, here's where my points come from. Here's the interaction I have, I have to compete with Merlin Werewolf. And so if this card, this card is probably not better than Merlin Werewolf probably ain't gonna be that. But the real question is, can it be complimentary with Merlin? Were, and I don't know if it can, I'm not saying it can't, but I don't know if it can. And if it can't, this could be a much worse than three and a half star card. But I am choosing to believe that it can and that this is a thing we're gonna want to do. I have two thoughts I wanna

Alex: 50:45

throw you away before we move on to the next card. One. I'm thinking about Aurora for this card because I think that I can put Lockheed and uh, oh my gosh, why am I forgetting her name? Diamondback, Lockheed Diamondback. You have end of turn, ongoing, right? You get to play your stones in other locations, finish off with Aurora, maybe turn five, uh, show out clapping cheeks. What do you think?

KM Best: 51:10

I buy

Alex: 51:10

this as a

KM Best: 51:10

Thanos card. I definitely buy that. Yeah, like I'm not sure. I'm not sure I buy the rest of it, but I do kind of like the idea of doing like this Diamondback, I don't think I buy that, but I do think it's like, I didn't think about that. They're both purple and that's kind of cute. That's, that's not where I expected

Alex: 51:27

you to go, but okay. This is beautiful. No,

KM Best: 51:28

yeah. That that, like, I was like, oh, that's cute. Yeah. I like that. Like I'm, I'm into that conceptually. I think, I think, you know, the km best that lives inside my brain that is like, I, you're not allowed to enjoy things. Right. You have to like ruthlessly, you know, cut out all the fat in every deck you make. That one probably doesn't love that, but yeah. I don't hate this is a Thanos card, I probably just don't love the Diamondback part.

Alex: 51:55

Okay. That's, and that's what I love. That's sad. But I have one more question though. You did mention you don't read or you can't read. I don't, yeah. Can't. Which is interesting'cause someone who we just finished talking about literature like what, 10 minutes ago? But that's a whole other conversation.

KM Best: 52:05

I, uh, uh, I, I have it read to me. I have a personal reader. Okay. Audiobook. Audiobook.

Alex: 52:11

Alright. Understood. That would've been a better

KM Best: 52:12

joke.

Alex: 52:13

Yeah. So with Lockheed, this is something I'm not a hundred percent sure about.'cause I always get, like, I always forget. So when costs are capitalized, that means that, let's say the prowl or skills are discounted, they still count as one cost cards, right? Correct. So like if you had discounted power cards and you're playing them with Lockheed, Lockheed will still recognize those cards.

KM Best: 52:30

Yep. Okay, good. Uh, one dash cost is referring to the base cost of the card costs. X is referring to the cost as it appears. No, as far as I'm aware, there are zero cards that check in, play for a modified cost of something. If the card is in play, it is checking for base cost every time. As far as I am aware,

Alex: 52:56

you're

KM Best: 52:56

baiting engagement. There's gotta be a card. Again, as far as I'm aware, there is not a card Jane Foster checks in deck. As far as I'm aware, there is not a card that checks on board that is going to be affected by modified costs.

Alex: 53:13

Yeah true. Okay. One thing I will say is I've always thought that like whether the C is capitalized might have an impact.

KM Best: 53:19

That I don't know. I only know the hyphen rule. I, I, I don't know. I like, I I I think the hyphen rule is the same though, right? Because you, when you, when you capitalize it, that's one dash capital C every time. Whereas something that costs, you don't capitalize that c So I guess it's the same rule, just we memorize the different part of the grammar.

Alex: 53:37

Okay. Fair enough. All right. Lin Lee? Is this Lin Lee? Okay brother. I might just leave that in. We have

KM Best: 53:47

established

Alex: 53:48

that. I do not know. I was gonna like, that was actually just a genuine question I wasn't gonna include in the recording, but I just might leave it in for the, for the crew there so they can get the true, authentic experience of the Snapchat behind the scenes. Yeah. Linley Iron Fist coming out June, uh, January 13th. This card is a two two that reads honor reveal. Add the sword. Add the sword of FUXI. To another location. Dude, I have no idea. Can you give a shot at this? What's, what's the sword? What's the sword? My understanding is it's something

KM Best: 54:21

equivalent to who she, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I it's time to pick a bone with you. Okay. It's time to pick a bone.'cause I, I tweeted out'cause this looks like it says sword of, F-U-X-F-U. Yeah. You know, that's what it looks like. It looks like it says and then like an exclamation point. So I was like, get in on this. It's gonna be the 2026 hydration. Robert, I don't know why people think that. You wouldn't think sort of fucks is funny. It is funny. I think it's hilarious. That's that's what god's what got me about. It's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So this guy's actually like, this is the card I have the least good read on over the entire season. I think I actually have to read

Alex: 55:01

it again first,

KM Best: 55:03

right? Because

Alex: 55:03

I think that we didn't even finish reading the card. That makes sense. Alright let's go through the, the formalities and I'll let cam riff here. Alright, so first of all we have Lee, Lin Lee iron fist who is a two two that reads honor reveal, add the sword of Fu Exci to location. FCI is gonna be as close as we're gonna get fci. Okay? It sounds better than xxi, which is clearly incorrect. And then it ain't fu xxi. Alright, so then the sword of FU C Okay. Is a two. Two that reads ongoing. If Lin Lee Iron Fist is here, he has plus seven power. I, there's a chance I said seven names wrong in one read, but long story short, ongoing. If Lin Lee Iron Fist is here, he has seven plus power. Dude, I mean the, the numbers are good. The stats are here man. Like I don't know like could this card be bad? Like it's, it might be a one trick but the numbers are there Cam, so I'm curious what your thoughts,

KM Best: 56:03

honestly that's a great way to phrase it. I do think this card is one trick, like this card is a very specific deck archetype kind of card and that specific deck archetype is, I, I refer to these as iris decks'cause I don't really have a good way to refer it as any other deck'cause Iris is just sort of the player that I saw doing this. So that's what they are in my head. But this sort of like Mme. Webb thing, first steps, cosmo juggernaut, mid-range style of deck. That deck wants this. If you're playing Mme. Webb and Ghost Spider in a deck that isn't fully move oriented. If you're just playing like a little bit of quasi move oriented stuff that just like has a bit of that as a way to maneuver your points around the battlefield, that's actually quite good because that deck is relatively low on points. This card, if you ghost spider the Linley to the location the sword goes to, that's 14 power three from the ghost spider 11 from these days. Now it's not great on the economy of the board space. But it does still represent 14 power, and that's kind of a big deal. The other thing that I think maybe is worth mentioning for this card, but I don't want to actually act like I think it's gonna happen, is Aurora is a big fan of cards that have multiple things, that do multiple bodies. So this is a tutu with an honor reveal and a tutu with an ongoing, it's not nothing there. But I do think that when I look at this, I look at mid rangey, Madame Webb type, small Ball, move, Craven, bat Truck, ghost, spider Sam Wilson, that kind of stuff is where I see this card making sense. I literally don't think it goes in any other deck.

Alex: 57:51

No, it doesn't. And I don't think it should either. But I'm gonna tell you right now, I think that in that deck, it's gonna be good. I'm going four stars. I'm going a bit of a limb here. I think this is a really good card, and I know that's way higher, but gimme a sec. Gimme a sec. You're so generous, man. I know. I'm generous. That's why everyone hates me. I, I, I miss, I I miss grade. All these cards nonstop. But what I'll tell you is that listen, think about this line. Turn to Linley iron fist sword drops, sort of f few drops. Okay? Turn three hydro stomper. Turn four silk cloak. And then you just move'em over. Boom. Easy, right? It's that hell in easy. You have five turns to draw hellion, you're gonna get'em Hellen's a good card, right? Why are you laughing? I'm serious. I don. It's not hard. It's

KM Best: 58:35

like that. I, I, I agree. I just love the phrasing of you have five turns to draw hellion. You're gonna get'em. Because like I know there's someone in the comments who's like, Alex. Of course. Yeah. Actually mathematically,

Alex: 58:47

I know. Of course I'm just beating engagement. Of course. Yeah.

KM Best: 58:50

Uh, but I think, I think this is another great example of why you're a better content creator. I'll tell you why I made the joke sort of fucks, right?

Alex: 58:58

Yeah. Which is joke

KM Best: 58:59

calling it sort of f you. That's the one that's gonna catch on. I know that while we're recording this video, I'm watching this. I'm like, that's better. That's a better joke. I missed it. It was right there. Restrictions, breed creativity and what I'm allowed to say lets me just say anything. Your restrictions of what you're allowed to say. They have bred creativity and you have come up with a better joke. I am so annoyed at my own inability to get to the good joke here. It's like watching someone take a deck you made and make it better and you're just like, I should have seen it. I didn't see it. I have been owned in the marketplace of ideas and I, I would just like to say I throw my full endorsement behind sort of f you. It's better. I don't know man.

Alex: 59:42

I'm just gonna throw out here as well that I'm just gonna say that like this is probably cope. Spider-Man Noir, right? If you think about Spider-Man noir, this actually puts you on curve for a turn four Spider-Man noir because it adds four. So turn one, you play one cost turn two. This is actually four, right? Turn three. You play three costs like your, uh, what's his name? I don't think Hydro Stomper turn four. It's just you're, it's free real estate now you have a V cost. Yeah. I

KM Best: 1:00:08

don't think that's Cop. I think that's actually a really good point. This is way better than Mr. Sinister for that because it's spread across multiple locations. It's never gonna be at the same thing. And because you're probably playing a deck that has the ability to move stuff around anyway. I actually don't think you're coping here. Like maybe like the idea of being a Spider-Man Noir deck is Coke, but this is actually probably like a really good card in as much as if you wanted to make a Spider-Man Noir deck, it would go in there. I actually do think you're, I think you're on something.

Alex: 1:00:36

Oh, I kind of threw it out there just as like a point, just as a point discussion for you to make fun of me. But now that you're actually saying it's good idea, I

KM Best: 1:00:41

feel better

Alex: 1:00:41

about it. No, I think that's

KM Best: 1:00:43

like, I didn't think about it. I think that kind of cooks it's like if Mr. Sinister was good. Okay, I have another

Alex: 1:00:49

coline then okay, play this on the left. Then Prowler flight harness will, will be able to send, uh, iron Fist to the right, into the location. 50% of the time I buy

KM Best: 1:01:02

that one a little less, but it probably will happen. Like I, I actually think that like Prowler probably does go in whatever deck you're playing with this and so that will happen and you probably will have to play it on the left. Most of.

Alex: 1:01:14

Now unironically, like not joking around. Yeah. How do you squeeze Madame Webb and this card in together, like they're, they're stepping on each other's toes at the two cost. Do you just play this turn three, four. You want, you want hydro stomp route? So like what's your, what's your plan there?

KM Best: 1:01:28

For me, hydro Stomp is usually a final turn play because it's such a, of course you do that too. Magnet for Deafening Cord and Cosmic Ghost Rider and things like that. I, I, I would say that what I'm trying to do a lot of the time is like what I want to do is, okay, here's the plan. We have whatever our turn one is, it's Bat truck or whatever. And then it's like, do we want to be a Sam Wilson deck? Do we have Sam Wilson in our opening hand? If we don't have Sam Wilson, I'd probably rather play a Madame We and then do this later on. One of the things that happens in those kind of mid-range decks is you end up playing off Curve more than you think because there's just so much cheap stuff in there. The three specifically is where you end up playing off curve the most because like for example, you have Bat Truck term one, Sam Wilson turned two, Craven turn three. You don't really have another one to mix in with that, that actually makes sense to play. So those decks are, I would say, pretty used to it.

Alex: 1:02:19

Yeah, that's fair. I'll also mention that this card is gonna be resistant to Shadow Gang, thanks to the fact that this is an ongoing card, which is kind of nice. So you will get a significant amount of power. The one thing about like ghost spidering it in is that like you're occupying three spots on a lane, like relatively early, but it is a lot of power. So it's really not that big a deal, but it, it might be, uh, potentially problematic, but yeah, that's, no, that is a big deal.

KM Best: 1:02:43

You're right. Yeah, that is a big deal. Like you board spot board slot economy is really important. The thing about these decks though is they kind of have, like, they're good at board spot economy, board, slot economy. I've made up a new word as well. They're also just kind of hard up for like a two drop with a billion power, like a lot of their other two drops that have a billion power. They gotta put a lot of work into that, right? But you can play on the final turn of the game. Like let's say you have a full lane, right? You can play a Lin lee, know where the sword is gonna be. Go spider it to that location where the sword is gonna be on the final turn of the game and your other three energy is a hydro. You can do that it's not gonna be as good as Craven and Sam probably, but it's gonna be a lot less time sensitive than they're

Alex: 1:03:33

true. Star rating wise, I don't think you've given our star rating. I came in at four, which I know is high, but I'm gonna tell you, this is one of those situations where I think the, those like little mover style decks are pretty good, man. I, I like the hydro stomper decks. I like the, uh, like the spider punk decks. I think they're cool and I think that it kind of can all work together in a way that I think is fascinating. If it works there, I think it's gonna be a good card and a good deck. But if it doesn't work there, it goes from a four star to a zero because like if it doesn't work there, it works nowhere. That's the problem though.

KM Best: 1:04:05

I appreciate that you've adopted my level of hyperbole. An hour ago you were like, I never give one star cards. You know, I'm just not doing that. And now you're like, this is a zero. So like, I do think, I do think that we've, we, we, we, we, we've demonstrated some ability of mind meld. Hopefully I can absorb something from you, like kindness, decency, the ability to treat people normally. I'm hoping I get some of that in this trade. Now I will say, I think this card is a bit lower at base because I think those decks are a bit tenuous in terms of their positioning. They're good, but they're very hard and they never actually trickle down to the wider player base. We're the people that are watching this. Right. So if I'm trying to give advice to someone who's thinking about like, do I need to go buy Linley iron fist? I am rank 55. You're probably just not gonna get as much out of a deck that is that difficult, that complex, that sequence heavy as you are out of just playing a ramp deck. My guiding light in any card game I've ever played is if you don't know what you're doing, give yourself less opportunities to mess up. And if you have two decks that are roughly at the same level of power, but one of them is asking way less of you, you play that one every single time. There is, I won't even say there's no shame in it. I would say it's the other way around. There is shame in people who confuse technical difficulty with skill. If you can get the same results out of less effort, you do that every single time. That is the right thing to do, rather than getting your ego in the way, this is a card that is going to be hard to play. I think that the average Marvel Snap player is not going to be able to get as much out of this card as you would want. And thus, rather than the four or the zero or whatever, I'm gonna say that I think this would be like a bit player in those decks. I think those decks could fall apart and I think that it probably wouldn't be a good thing to invest in those decks if you're the normal person who plays this game. So I'm gonna say this is a two star card, even though I like it a lot.

Alex: 1:06:14

That's fair. That's definitely fair. And I, I will mention, fun fact, I don't think I've ever revealed this before. When I was in high school, I was in a band that was a drummer. Mm. And uh, our band name was technical difficulties. So that is actually dope.

KM Best: 1:06:26

That is like a, dude, you're so good at names. I'm not even joking. This is like a

Alex: 1:06:31

consistent thing. You're so good at this. I was, I'm so good at names that when it came to naming my YouTube channel, I'm like, what's on my birth certificate?

KM Best: 1:06:41

Well, I mean, maybe you got it from your parents, right? Yeah. Your parents are thinking about this. They were like, what would be a good name for a YouTuber? And they, they nailed it. And so you, you just sort of inherited that gene.

Alex: 1:06:53

I, I, I just think that's funny because it's like, yeah, like you're so good at naming things. Also like my YouTube channel, which just somewhat awkward sometimes.'cause like if I'm just like on Twitch TV and like, I can't, when it's, when your Twitch name's your full legal name, it's like kind of weird, like commenting and like, like random streams.'cause like, no, it's just like gamer dad 4 20 69 and like XX Sniper 69 xx and it's like just your full name and everyone always tries to read the full name and it's like, it's just so, I just makes it made. So I like, I never actually chat. I just sit there and it, one

KM Best: 1:07:23

of the, one of the things that made me be like I want to be a streamer is I'd constantly watch people pronounce obvious names. And then I became a streamer and I started mispronouncing obvious names and I was like, damn, this is harder than it looks. Yeah,

Alex: 1:07:37

I know. It's come to the point where like, when, even when people like, subscribe and stuff, like, I, I think part of the, the allure is me just like one taking their name, like intentionally just like. Just dirt in their name, just out. And they know I'm reading it wrong and they know if I really tried, I could probably get it, but it's okay that I missed like six of the letters. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're doing

KM Best: 1:07:57

my drag goon of the man bit. Right? Exactly. Like it's the same thing. Yeah.

Alex: 1:08:02

Alright. We, we gotta keep talking about Marvel Snap or we're gonna be here all night. I don't, I have no idea how long this, not this, this pod's gonna go, which is good. I'm here for, man. It's, it's been a while. It's been a long one man. It's been a long one. It's just my fault. It's not your fault. It's not your, it is your fault actually. But anyway, so it's definitely fault. So F Fang f and the only reason why I knew this, this existed, F Fang, first of all, all these, most of these drags, I have no idea, but I'm gonna shout out The Guardians of the Galaxy Game on Steam, which I think is like, uh, usually on sale for like five bucks where you're playing the Guardians of the Galaxy. It's actually a really good game that I think is underappreciated. Marvel. Midnight Suns is another beauty Marvel game. By the way, if you like Marvel, like just interactions. It's more of like a social simulator than a game. It's, have you played Marvel? Midnight Suns?

KM Best: 1:08:46

No. You're kind of making it sound like, like, is it like a dating sim? Can you like, dude, do you think Marvel's gonna release a dating

Alex: 1:08:54

sim where you get to date Wolverine?

KM Best: 1:08:57

I don't know. Dude, have you seen any character designed for Marvel rivals?

Alex: 1:09:02

Oh, that's true. That's true. Like, I don't, yeah. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Like there is a lot of, maybe they're throwing

KM Best: 1:09:09

money away. Not doing that actually.

Alex: 1:09:12

There's a lot of curvature in the Marvel rivals, art Man. A lot of curvature, a lot like the, the white queen, like premium skin. When that came out, I was like, I can't, I told Cozy, we can't even put it on the screen. It's, we're gonna get immediately demonetized, like immediately, like it's done. Now they're doing like the swimsuit editions too, and like the thing is like, you know, they know what they're doing, but also they're so good at the art. Like the artists are so talented that it looks so amazing that you can be like, okay, like I'm here for it. To be honest with you,

KM Best: 1:09:41

I I, I think especially with White Queen, it's like, not only is that awesome, it's also in character. Like, if someone's like, oh, Cozy mentioned that to you, a frost wouldn't dress like this. Like, yes, you would like yeah, dude, that's, that, that is honestly, like, honestly, I would argue that like the rivals portrayal of Emma Frost is probably like, it's not like the most tame Emma Frost guess, but it's like a solid 50th percentile. So the real question is, they've done way worse things.

Alex: 1:10:08

When are we getting the Emma Frosts cam best cosplay stream?

KM Best: 1:10:12

I'd probably have to lose a decent amount of weight for that. The rest of it I think I could pull off, but like, I think, I think I would have to, I don't think my waist could stand up to the average Emma Frosts outfit, or to be blunt, I don't think the average Emma Frosts outfit could contain my waist. I think we'd see a lot of, here's this like sinchy thing that just explodes with the general girth of my. Over a large torso.

Alex: 1:10:40

So what you're saying is, is your take on Emma Frosts would actually have even more skin. My take on Emma Frosts would have significantly more

KM Best: 1:10:48

muscle. Okay. I think you're selling selling this here. That's, that would be, I, I actually do kind of love that they made her like a tank in rivals. I think that's sick.

Alex: 1:10:58

We're talking about Fing Fang fu now. Sure. Um, so there's actually a cool card and now, okay. The reason why we were talking about random games, by the way, before we just spiraled was because Fing Fang Fu was in, so like Drs had to fight him for some reason or whatever. I don't know. Not a spoiler, but it's in the Gardens of the Galaxy game. That's why I knew'em. But, uh, it's a seven 12. A seven 12. So we've been getting a couple seven costed cards. And, uh, this is another one. And it reads on reveal gain the power of front row enemy cards here. So you're starting at seven 12. This could potentially be like, easily like what? Like a seven 20? I I mean, it could be smaller too. Cam, I'm not sure about this card. Now there's a very obvious deck. I don't wanna steal your thunder though. I'm gonna let, I'm gonna give you Oh, no, no. You like,

KM Best: 1:11:48

I think you feel free. Go ahead. You've got, so

Alex: 1:11:51

I'm, I'm su suspecting that as a seven cost 12. Yeah. That this is probably a HEA card. Yeah. And I think that they're comfortable releasing this because Stardust is as good as it is. Like that's my take on this. So I'm curious about what you think. This is coming out on January 20th, by the way, in series five.

KM Best: 1:12:08

Okay. So I think that because this is a seven cost, cost 12, this is a hella card and I think that they're comfortable releasing it because Stardust is as good as it's boom. My analysis was correct. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that is uh, largely what I think. But like here, here's the thing. Uh, no, this is not the thing. This is Fin Fang fu my apologies. Here's the thing that I wish that was a part of his name. I'm really not able to get anywhere with this. Here's the thing. This guy, when you compare this card to the infant, they're both probably like 20 power, right? Like they're both probably what they are, which is easier to do, not play a card or have seven energy, because to me this card looks like a power crept the ol. That is I think, probably the right way to animal. Yes, the hella stuff matters, but like at base it is way easier to have seven energy in this game than it is to skip an entire turn to play the finon significantly. And the output's gonna be similar. Bro, I hate to tell you, are you sitting

Alex: 1:13:09

down right now? I got news. I've been standing this whole time. Okay, good to know. So the Hulk Evo edition mm-hmm. Is Power Crept Finon at this point. Infin needs something'cause it's awful. That's not the purpose of this conversation, but Infin is literally hella fodder at this point. Not hella fodder. Counterpoint. I do, I do see the occasional red Wing infin machine. I do see it on occasion

KM Best: 1:13:35

machine. The

Alex: 1:13:35

ramp deck, of course. I would argue infant. See, it's on

KM Best: 1:13:38

play.

Alex: 1:13:39

Okay, nevermind. I take it all back.

KM Best: 1:13:43

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but I do think it would be the wrong time for it. I'll, I'll say this, like I think this card is just really good and obviously I'm scared of the hella thing. I don't even think there's much to say about that. Yeah, it costs seven and Hella brings it back and it's like a billion bazillion power. That's not good. Stardust exists and you're probably gonna have to play it because that's what this card does. But unlike the finau, you're actually gonna have seven energy sometimes to play this card in a hella day. Oh yeah. Because you play Corvus slave, like you're gonna be able to do that. So this is just better than the current state of the art big guy that people play. I think this is just a really good card. Like for me, this is a genuine four star card that would be better if it weren't so fundamentally limited by what it is. It's pretty hard for a card that says seven to get to that level without being like a totalizing meta dominating package, which I think this could be, but is fairly unlikely to be. This is a strong, strong

Alex: 1:14:46

seven. I was thinking about like, okay, let's say you get outside of Hella, right? If you don't wanna play in hella, which I think hella is gonna be the way to play it for what it's worth. But let's say you're like, you think you're thinking Ramp, right? Um, yeah, ramp has been heavily buffed, right? You got things like electro blink, which is fantastic. You have obviously Luna Snow, who I think is a great frigging card. I think Luna Snow's great wave, got recently buffed. Like there's so many ways to get this card on the field to play. I think a lot of people are gonna lean towards magic thinking the seventh energy comes from the seventh turn. You can't play magic in a Berlin game anymore. I think magic is is like extremely problematic. It's if you want to get your cheeks clapped, play, play magic'cause it's just begging to get ripped outta your hands from Legion, which is actually popular right now. Or Merlin, who is probably the best season pass card, in my opinion. In recent memory. Like in terms of like just overall applicability across the game. Like literally everyone should own Merlin. Like I think, could we agree to that? Everyone should own Merlin.

KM Best: 1:15:43

I did a Marvel Snap end of year award show where I came up with the nominees and my comments, great idea, voted on them and, uh, it, the voting is still in progress, but when I last checked Merlin was winning season pass of the year by like a factor of three. Like it had more votes than every other season pass I put up there combined. So yeah, I think that's a pretty agreeable sentence.

Alex: 1:16:11

Yeah. And the thing about this card too though, is like, when I think about seven costs, like zombie, galati disappointed, I think it's interesting now. I don't think it's great now, but I think it's interesting now at the very least, especially with Maverick, right? Post Maverick. Yeah. Yeah, post Maverick of course. So like seven costs can be a problem.'cause like when with the original zombie galacto without Maverick, that even, even currently getting that extra energy can be like, you're forcing it a little bit, right? You're forcing a little bit with this here because you have that hella package, you don't have to force it. And as a seven cost, you know, you can sift this, you, there's so many ways you can kind of utilize this to good effectiveness that I feel like it has a higher floor than something like a zombie galactic ever did because of the hella, I'm willing to go like three and a half to four star. I'm actually gonna say four. I think it might be a good four star card. It's just I get nervous about someone snapping into you and dropping stardust. Turn six. That's all

KM Best: 1:17:02

I think this is a four star card. I just don't want it to be like, I would really, no.'cause nothing this card does is something I want to be playing against. It. It, it is just sort of a by design invalidating card that also makes hella better. I don't want to be doing this, but if you're gonna make me put Stardust in my deck, then yeah, I am gonna turn six, like take PIO Snap. Like, yeah, I'm gonna do that. I, yeah, I think this card is really strong. I really hope that I'm wrong about this, but yeah, this is a four star card. So you're saying if you're playing Hello, you deserve it. Oh. No, what I'm saying is from the bottom of my heart, please don't play. Hello? I just, I beg you, you know that's really in much the same way as I ask people not to emote me, I realize what this will do is make people do that. But still, I heartfelt from the soul. I beg you,

Alex: 1:17:56

you know what I, um, there was a hot take given to me. Now I know you're an emo connoisseur. Someone of an enjoyer of emotes, we'll say. Someone told me that fist bumping at the end of a game is toxic. And I was like, how can that possibly be understood as toxic? And sure enough, people are like, yeah, it's toxic. I'm like, come on guys. Like what? What are we building glass castles here? Like what are we talking about? How is a fist bump to toxic buddy?

KM Best: 1:18:20

Because this is, I genuinely agree with this. Do you agree with

Alex: 1:18:22

them? I do. I'll tell you why. Tell me why. If you start singing Backstreet Boys, I'll

KM Best: 1:18:29

be so upset. I will not. 90% tell me why. 90% of fist bumps that I get at the end of the game are after I lose. Okay. It is a way of saying they enjoyed the game, but a lot of why they enjoyed the game was because they didn't lose. And if you stream long enough, I don't know if this'll happen to you, but it definitely does to me. The majority of fist bumps you get happen after you lose, and very few of them happen after you win. Because the number one thing that determines whether someone thought it was a good game and people are gonna not admit this, like, I'm gonna get killed for this. In your comments, people are gonna be like, this guy is a dick. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I emote every game. There's always someone who says that. But all I can tell you is that in my experience, the vast majority of those emotes come after I have lost and not like, oh, you know Gigi, you know, I emo you at the beginning of the game too. Like my cards are flipping up and they become confident that they have won. Then they fist bump. That is a thing that happens a lot. Now, am I a big whiny baby for caring about this and letting it get to me? Obviously, yes. I'm a big whiny baby for this. Obviously I don't claim to make any judgements on the type of person you are for doing this. I will simply request that if you play against me, please don't do it to me.

Alex: 1:20:06

Which is of course gonna be constant emotion. Right? Of course

KM Best: 1:20:10

what that means is more people are gonna do it, but that like I, like, I can't control that. What I can control. Is trying to not be a whiny baby, which I have not done a good job of. But also at least just being honest, like, no, I I, I would prefer if you didn't do this to me. And then if someone else chooses to do that to me anyway. Well, I don't really think they can argue that. It's like, oh, I'm just trying to be nice.

Alex: 1:20:33

That's fair. I'll have, you know that after almost every single game, regardless of me winning or losing, I fist bump out of habit. I really, and I'll say though, when I lose people, almost always fist bump back when I win. No, it

KM Best: 1:20:45

happens a lot. Like you, you'll start to notice it. Like one, once someone points it out, you're just like, oh man, that's real. Like a lot of what determines whether or not someone enjoyed a game is winning. Winning and winning. There's nothing wrong with that. There is literally nothing wrong with that. It is a totally normal human thing. I am a big whiny baby. We've established this. I just want people to not like, make it worse for me. Like I already, every loss I take, I already feel terrible. I don't need to be reminded that it happened, I was there.

Alex: 1:21:18

Something that always happens to me is like I, in my head, I don't often say it out loud, sometimes chat on us, but I'm like, I'm being stream sniped a hundred percent, right? I know I'm being stream sniped and I'm like, they'll beat me. And I'm like, okay, I'll fist bump. And you know what they do, right? You know what they do? What do they do?

KM Best: 1:21:33

I have no idea what they do. I would never hazard a guess. Ah, yes.

Alex: 1:21:37

Marvel. Thumbs up every time. Marvel. Love it. I'm gonna tell you, with 99.9% effectiveness in my, if I'm in my head, I'm like, I'm getting stream sniped, and I fist bump. It's always this, it's always Miss Marvel. I'm like, okay. All right buddy. Like, relax, enjoy, enjoy your kids. I, I

KM Best: 1:21:51

do think, I do think it's kind of sick that they made like an emote that is ostensibly like a good game emote, but just looks so mean that it's become the middle finger. Oh, it's such a, like, you wanna talk about the sort of fu the sword of fu is this thumbs up motion. That's the sort of fu right there.

Alex: 1:22:10

Yeah, I know. It's such a ridiculous emote. But, uh, I know that there's been many calls to like mute have like a perma mute emote function, which I'm of the thought that like, honestly, I'm okay with not having it. But as a content creator, I'll tell you it, there are people that like, they see, they see you and they know it's you and they can't wait. Yeah. They can't wait to hit the button. But I'll also tell you, I matched it as a content creator who will not be named. And I, I, Spider-Man pointed fist bumps right at the start of the game, and they didn't respond. And then afterwards I checked the VA and they just immediately muted me. I was like, bro, it sounds like me. Come on.

KM Best: 1:22:46

What did we play? It wasn't, it wasn't you.

Alex: 1:22:47

No. I would've done. We are way too, IS

KM Best: 1:22:49

Snap that off. We're like, if you emote me, it's happening 100% of the time. The only thing I want is like, I'll tell you, I don't need them to get rid of all emotes, just have my mutes on a person be permanent. I'm good. My matchmaking pool is pretty small. Like I, I can mute all of them manually. I'm good for that. I just, I just wanna play the game and move on. And again, like I, I wanna stress this is because I am a big whiny man child who cannot properly manage his own emotions, right? Like, that's what's going on here. On a fundamental level, it's not anyone else's problem. I recognize that I have plenty of growth to do. I'm just gonna say that, you know what? I'm here

Alex: 1:23:33

for you. I just want you. Thanks man. I appreciate that. You're good then No else is here for you, hunchy, and maybe with the power of the 10 rings can best you would have the strength to overcome the emote frustrations that you have been struggling with. This is a weird card, man. This is a weird card. Um, that was one of the worst transitions I've ever done. Terrible segue. Just as bad as like the, those things you ride on. I don't know. That's also terrible segue. Yous don't like,

KM Best: 1:24:00

you don't like that You don't, you're not a fan of

Alex: 1:24:02

really. I'll tell you. So when I was at PAX West, and they don't have quite segues, but the, what are we doing? We're not even talking about Snap anymore. So we were on, no. So I was at Pax West and Seattle. They have like those scooters that you rent. Yeah, the hoverboards dude. There were scooters just like thrown into the middle of the street. Like people not even trying to bring them back to the kiosk. Like there, it's like someone just ghost rid them down a hill and just let'em hit a tree. Like. I'm like, what? At one point in the night I was walking back from the convention to the hotel and there was just scooters, like everywhere, like just thrown into like literally in the middle of the street and there's like a bike lane, which I guess is also a scooter lane, and no one's wearing helmets. Dudes are going like a hundred k like a hundred kilometers an hour on these scooters, not in helmets. Just like begging for pain and then like to just hop off and let it just continue rolling down the street. I'm like, what is happening here? It's not quite a segue, but Yeah, if you're, if you're like renting a scooter and then just like letting it rott in the middle of like a, like a literally a busy intersection that Yeah, I'm not here for that.

KM Best: 1:25:01

I like, I feel like you're, you're just, you're like, you're blamings for things that are not re that they're not responsible for, in, in much the same way as Shang Q might be blamed for not being the card he was originally data mind. How do you like that one? How do

Alex: 1:25:16

you like, segue can f you.

KM Best: 1:25:20

I'm actually like, this actually kills me.'cause it's like, one of the things you'll think as a content creator, this is just like a very normal thing to think and I, I think it's important to remove the stigma from, it's like, you know, why am I not as successful as Alex? Right? Like, why, why is he a better creator than me? Right. What is the difference and other than the incredible work ethic and the production and all of those things, the generally more likable person, all, all of those things, you know, you take those out. Even if I had all of those things. I still wouldn't have gotten to sort of f you. And that's the gap. That's the gap.

Alex: 1:25:55

I appreciate you pumping my tires, my man. And here I am thinking if, if only I was as good as Cam Best is at pretty much editing man. Literally the a man who oozes incredible talent, like literally rank one in what every single card game you play. Okay, bro.

KM Best: 1:26:09

No, that's not true. I've been pretty good at a lot of different card games. I've been rank one at two of them, I've been like top 16 at a couple more. That's not, but like, I think most people could do that. These are super niche things. Most

Alex: 1:26:22

people cannot do that. I,

KM Best: 1:26:24

I don't know. I, I, I actually like, genuinely firmly believe that the, because I spent a lot more time as a bad card game player than I did as a good one, right? I didn't become a good card game player because I'm, but like, I didn't, like, I'm not like, ooh, oozing talent. I didn't like, I didn't start good. I got good through reps and people helping me. I didn't like start good. There are people who do, there are people who are just naturally built that way. But I got good through doing a lot of work and I honestly, genuinely believe that most people could do that too. I don't think I'm special for that. I think that like, genuinely my belief about card games is you can get better as long as you're willing to put the work in. You absolutely can get to whatever level you want. I fully believe that. And it's also just totally okay to say like, I don't wanna put that work in. You're allowed to do that as long as you're intentionally just being like, look, this is not who I wanna be. I unfortunately am just wired in such a way that I can't not be this way. I have to try hard and like, destroy the enjoyment of people who wanna play for fun. I have to do it. I, I'm built that way. But like, one of my genuine fundamental beliefs and a lot of the reason that I make the content that I do is because I don't think I am special. I am 32 years old. I play card games for a living. I'm the luckiest man on the place at the face of the planet. Up until I was like 25, I was very bad at card games and I got good at card games through saying, I want to get good at this. How can I get better? Who can help me? And how do I put the work in? And I really do think that people can do that. I'm not like a child prodigy or whatever. Anyone can do that. It is a skill you can learn, I promise you

Alex: 1:28:22

that is actually incredibly inspirational. And might I suggest like, I think one, no, seriously, I'm gonna tell you right now. I think that that's a great topic for a video. You should release one day. I think you should document that journey, and I think that that's something that like people would actually want to hear and would legitimate like to, to talk about. Yeah. I think that a lot of people, they, they want that inspirational, aspirational type of content where they're like, I would like to get better. How did Cam do it? If Cam was flesh and blood, just like I was probably rank one in flesh and blood two, by the way, Sean Chi, the master of rings, who is a three five that reads game start the 10 rings start in your hand on reveal, unlock their potential. That is kind of weird text, but let's talk about the 10 rings. So it starts, it starts as a two one on reveal. Give one of your other cards here. Plus one power, not that fancy, but you know what gets not that shabby is once it e evolves or upgrades or its potential becomes unlocked, it has potential unlocked.

KM Best: 1:29:21

Yeah.

Alex: 1:29:22

Once its potential is unlocked, it becomes an end of turn. Give your other cards here. Plus one power, which is actually really, really good. It's a tutu that reads. End of turn. Give your other cards here. Plus one power. That is really good. Uh, so, uh, so km my man, I will give you the floor on this card, which I think might just be the banger of the season.

KM Best: 1:29:46

So the upgraded version of this card is a monster. Full stop. That effect is extremely powerful. There's only one thing that I wonder about. This is some classic card gamer. I can't read stuff, but games start, the 10 rings starts in your hand. Does it take up a space in your hand? Because when you look at the other cards that say games start, this starts in your hand. Agatha says, draw this. This doesn't say draw the 10 rings, Quicksilver says, starts in your hand and he takes up a draw. I can't, he doesn't say add the 10 rings to your hand. It says they start there. And that to me is the difference between this card being amazing and this card being fairly mediocre. Because if this is taking up a draw for the 10 rings, which is a two drop, that kind of sucks until you upgrade it. It is making you less likely to upgrade it by applying Shang Q because you're gonna draw him less.

Alex: 1:30:47

Yeah, no, that change is, takes it from a five star to like a maybe three. Yeah, a hundred percent. That, that is a massive thing that we don't have the answer to. Uh, I should mention as of recording, we do not have the video. Like we don't have the video right now. Correct. They didn't release it. So we're recording prior to the video being released. So if it does get released before this goes live, then we don't have that context. Which I hope would be answered in the video.'cause that is a very di important thing. I'm assuming that it's a free card. That's my assumption. I'm assuming this is the best card they've ever made, then maybe that's not a good assumption. Do they wanna release the best card they've ever made?

KM Best: 1:31:22

I'd be, I, I assume at some point they want to do that, but like, yeah, if this card is just like, you get a free piece of cardboard in your hand, and also sometimes it's busted. Yeah. No, that card's really good. Like, that's just like, yeah, that's

Alex: 1:31:34

probably too good. Full

KM Best: 1:31:35

stop. That's really good. There's not even anything to analyze about that. It's just like, if that card starts in your hand and you don't lose a draw for it, it's just like, oh yeah, I'm putting that in everything. Why would I not, that's

Alex: 1:31:46

why I said Five star, I guess. Right?

KM Best: 1:31:47

Yeah. Like that's a five star card. That's, that's Sam Wilson. That's, it's, it's, it's God gaming. It's amazing.

Alex: 1:31:54

So do we wanna assume that it doesn't start in the hand? Or like, what are we doing here?

KM Best: 1:31:58

Let's assume it does and call it a five star card, and then if it doesn't, we can be like, uh, second in Rug pulled us. That's a winning strategy. Second in Rug Pulled Us. Okay. I'm good with that.

Alex: 1:32:10

Yep. So can I just take it down like exactly where I want to go? I wanna play this in Silver Surfer, like really bad. Yeah. Is that stupid? And

KM Best: 1:32:18

play this with Maverick.

Alex: 1:32:20

Hell yeah. You're amazing Maverick man. Sebastian Shaw, broods, everything gets pumped by this man, Maverick and Sebastian Shaw particularly. It's like, I love this.

KM Best: 1:32:31

The originally data mind version of this card, the rings itself was an end of turn that hit one thing and it obviously got nerfed because. That is the best card they've ever made. Even if it takes up a spot in your opening hand, uh, it upgraded into the same thing, but making it an honor reveal does make it a whole lot worse. Yeah. So the question is like, here, here's a card that I really wanna play with the rings. And I know this is like, kind of a ridiculous thing. I really wanna play this with clia. I really wanna go turn one clia, turn two rings, turn three Chang. That's what I wanna do. That is every turn I am getting a flames of the fault team and I'm just playing those cards every turn. I just get one for free. I'm into that. I wanna do that. I think that this is a card that if it does give you the card for free is unbelievably powerful in a million different places If it doesn't give you the card for free. I agree. It's still like a three star card. There's still stuff to do with this.

Alex: 1:33:31

That line you just said, by the way, turn four Lockheed in the flames. Boom. I was thinking Joaquin Torres into flames. Ooh, Joaquin Torres Falcon. I, there was, you know what, on release, there was a time where there was a Falcon CLIA deck that wasn't awful. Like it actually kind of clapped cheeks a little bit. This this car that wants to go in that deck and clap some cheeks. Okay, good. Good. I'm here for that. That's what I'm here for. That's what I wanna hear. Because this pod's already like two hours. Like do we, do we want to, yeah. Do you wanna have anything else you wanna say here or like, we still have two cars to go through. You're good

KM Best: 1:34:04

to go man, I've already, I. See, here's the thing, the thing about my content is the people that like my content really like it, right? Because it's very personal. You get a real, you get a real sense of who I am and, uh, like, sort of peek behind the curtain, DIY vibe that I think a lot of my stuff has, and I fear that I've brought that to here. So like, your diehard fans are gonna be like, oh, we actually get to see Alex, like, get into it and just do whatever. Here's two hours of Alex. I wanted two hours of Alex, I wanted that. So either you get to edit an hour outta this podcast, or you can just go

Alex: 1:34:39

either one of those words. Oh, buddy, I'm editing almost none of this. This was, oh man, this was beautiful. This is exactly what I needed, man. And it's great because the la uh, last week was the first week in a very long time where, um, we, we took a week off the pod by choice. We were just like, you know what? It's the holiday season. Lining up guests was tricky because everyone's schedules are crazy. My schedule's crazy. I'm like, let's take a week off. So you know what, we're delivering extra

KM Best: 1:35:02

content to make up for it, right? That's how you phrase it. That's exact. This is what I mean. This is the gap. This is the gap I have to close. That's so good.

Alex: 1:35:13

Well, I'm, I'm glad. I'm glad. But we're gonna help close that gap, by the way, with all the subscriptions that, uh, you'll be getting from, uh, the no

KM Best: 1:35:19

nah, nah. I, I appreciate the thought, but I don't mean a gap in terms of numbers. I mean a gap in terms of you actually are better at this. I just realized that the borders on these all say Cozy Snap. Yeah, they do see a Cozy Snap. They should put those borders in the game. I would use the hell out of some Cozy Snap borders. It. Yeah.

Alex: 1:35:40

It's a, it's a callback. I'm glad, you know, I don't think anyone's really noticed that before. It's definitely a callback and, uh, I'm, I've been okay with'em, like, hell yeah. Let's keep that in there.'cause it's something we always did. And so even since, uh, you know, Cozy iss a little bit on hiatus, I'm like, you know, yeah, we keep it in there. Why not? It's, for me, it kind of brings, it keeps me in, in the roots of what the Snapchat

KM Best: 1:35:59

was. I don't really know what your feelings on this are, but watching Cozy do that, do what he's done has been, I won't say it's like inspirational to me, but it's just like one of those things where you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Of course that's what he's doing. Like, yeah, he was always too good for the job. The, like, no offense like to you or to me, like he was always someone who was destined for a bigger stage, is what it feels like. Of course he was, man,

Alex: 1:36:23

I'm so proud of him. This is someone who put in a tremendous amount of work, had a tremendous amount of talent, and was given an opportunity to shine. And to some degree I feel like, Marvel, Snap fumbled an opportunity with someone of that capability. Right. I was very fortunate to be able to work so closely with him for so long and, um, and I feel like he was, as you said, he was always destined to kind of take his career to that next level. Whether it was gonna be through Marvel, Snap. Or some other card game. But what I love about what he did specifically, which I think that all creators can kind of, uh, take solace to some degree, is the fact that he showed that if all the skills that we're building, doing what we do, we don't have to apply just to card games. Km there might come a day where you see something, you're like, you know what? I really wanna release a channel about reviewing cars. I love cars, man, and I would love if I, everything that you've learned along the way, now you can apply to your next passion. Something that you really want to put your mind, heart, and soul into. And Cozy found that in rivals, and it was not, it was not luck. By the way Cozy told me when rivals was first announced during the Alpha, he's like, this is the next thing. This was the next thing. Right? And so, uh, yeah, what you see is the success of someone who absolutely earned it. For sure. Dude, there's no question about it. Yeah. And people were like, oh, like, are you upset that he's not on the podcast anymore? No, I'm not. Because he has moved on to something that he absolutely is crushing that has sent his career into the stratosphere that allows him to support his family. And as his friend, that's what I want to see for him. So yeah, I'm, he's always welcome back. He knows that, and I hope to someday, uh, be able to record with him again. But no man, he's, uh, he's absolutely earned every single thing that he's received.

KM Best: 1:38:15

I, it is one of those things where like, just as a person, I'm kind of like a small, petty, jealous guy. Just like generally someone else is doing well. I'm like, why can't that be me? You know? A lot of the times I like actually end up talking to that person. I start to understand why that actually can't be me. And it's usually related to them being really good at something, right? Like I, I have this feeling and you know, like I talk to you, it's like obviously I would want to be in your position. That's an amazing position to be in. I would love to do that. I would want to be in Cozy position. I would want to do all of these things. And then I talk to you or I talk to Cozy and it's like, oh, they just work way harder than me. Like, they just do more work. They do more work and they're better at their jobs and it makes perfect sense. And it's one of those things where it's like, you want to think it's'cause the universe is unfair or whatever. That's like the natural human thing. Like, ah, bad RNG, I did some rigged matchmaking, rigged, shuffler, rigged algorithm, right? But on a fundamental level, it actually, like the more I talk to these people who are more successful than me, the more I'm just like, oh yeah, no, it actually is a meritocracy. These people actually are just like significantly better at their jobs. And, uh, I, I Cozy I think is the first person I talked to and I was just like, not only are you better at this job, you're better than this game. Like that was. And it always, like when I say it, always feel like this was gonna happen for him. That dude's a D one, like first round draft pick content creator. You put him in any spot, he'd be able to do it in any game like that. Unbelievably impressive.

Alex: 1:39:50

I think that's the best way to describe it. First round draft, pick first overall, every single time for sure. In any given

KM Best: 1:39:58

situation, he could do this 10 outta 10 times,

Alex: 1:40:00

wouldn't matter what situation you put him in. Yeah. Without question. One might even say that he's majestic, like a Wing beat majestic Wing beat. Bringing us back in as we potentially cross almost two hours of, uh, random shenanigans with cam best is a one costed skill. So this is a skill. I don't think the card art really reflects that it's a skill, but it is a skill. I do apologize for that. It reads honor reveal, give the leftmost card in your hand plus two power if it's five cost or higher. Negative one, cost two. This is, it's doing a lot for a one costed skill. It reminds me of like, if Shocker was absolutely juiced without a body. And like, I, I don't mind the fact that like, I find, I find the, if it's five costs or higher kind of awkward, I'm like, I wonder if it would've been like, if, would I take this as a two costed skill that always just did negative on cost? Like, I'm not sure if I would do that, but generally speaking, the expensive cards often drift to the left side of your hand. So like, is it okay? Still? Anyways, I think this is probably a good card, but. I think I'm leaning towards a two star rating'cause I just don't quite see where I wanted in a deck yet. I'd be interested in your thoughts. I have a couple ideas, but I don't love them. So I'm going onto this two star rating.

KM Best: 1:41:24

Here's what I think when I see this card. I think this card is Power Crept America Chavez. That's what I see. Okay. So if you're playing a deck that's like interested in America Chavez, a lot of the time you're also interested in brood, you're interested in things of that nature. Being able to target a buff onto one of those things is really important. But it's also really important to not use your board space on a one two. And I think that largely if this card has a niche, it is in that spot. But it also is a one cost skill. So you have to talk about werewolf finite. With this, you have to at least think about Joaquin Torres With this, if you're playing it in a werewolf deck, it's probably like only ever discounting on things like ow and maybe a zombie giant man. It might not be the greatest there, but it is again, just a thing that goes on the board and doesn't take a board slot. And that kind of economy is quite important or can be, I think this is just a good card.

Alex: 1:42:23

Okay. So if it's just a good card, like what star rating wise, then I'll, I'll give you a couple ideas. I had,

KM Best: 1:42:29

I will

Alex: 1:42:29

say

KM Best: 1:42:29

three and a half. I just three and a half, way higher. I don't think. I don't think you're gonna be sad to have this card in your collection. I think especially in the context of like, this is a series four, you're just gonna be like, oh yeah, it's nice that I have that lying around some. Yeah, that's fair. For what

Alex: 1:42:44

it's worth where I think I'm gonna take it when I'm testing it, I think high Evo and the reason for this is'cause it could hit something like Hulk, it could hit something like She Hulk, which makes your turn six a lot stronger. But specifically the new variations of she of hu of, uh, Evo, which have all gotten buffed significantly since the last OTA where they buffed up a whole bunch of those kind of vanilla based cards. It's running the superior Spider-Man. It, this activates the pure Spider-Man, right? It gives you, does it gives you green text on the field of play. You're getting the reduced cost, which obviously Evo loves because it allows you to float things, right? Like imagine what you can do if you play this and you hit Cyclops and he's too cost and then you play him on turn three, he pew pews or whatever, right? Like you're able to do some really interesting things in high Evo with this, specifically the superior Spider-Man version of it, where it's looking for the green power for the extra energy. So that's where I'm leaning and I think it could actually be a pretty viable card there.

KM Best: 1:43:38

I buy that. I love that. Hi Evo deck. You show me a fairly mediocre hi Evo deck. I'm in for it. You show me a fairly mediocre symb uh, superior Spider-Man deck. I'm in for that too. So that deck is aimed squarely at me. Those are, I know we've talked about my two favorite cards, AV and Kitty Pride, but Superior Spider-Man and hi Evo are pretty high up there for me. I really enjoy what both of those cards do. So that deck is aimed, it's like a shotgun blast to the chest for me. That's exactly what I want to be doing. It makes me feel things.

Alex: 1:44:10

There might be a little bit of cop here. But what about Galactus? Because if you think about it, Galactus gets plus two. Mm-hmm. Comes out potentially a turn earlier. What if you even Maverick, what if you hit Maverick with this? You can still pass that power into Galactus. Is it gross? I don't know. I don't think it's actually gonna see play, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.'cause it's not a body in the field of play. It could make for some surprise game play.

KM Best: 1:44:34

I have a theory I'd like to advance. Galactus is a tech card, and I don't mean like you're gonna put it in your deck to beat a certain matchup, but what I do mean is that it has some really polarized matchup spreads. The things it's really good against are almost always sort of these jocasta e I'm gonna put points on all three locations with an onboard combo type of deck. That's the stuff Galactus beats up. So like Joe Casta combo, Cerebro, a lot of maverick decks get beat up by Galactus. I think that's probably a lot bigger for Galactus than like this card is because I think the problem, when I think about this card going in Galactus is like, okay, I can do this, but if I'm doing an electro game plan, I can't do this. So I have to choose between those things. And so I have to be a non electro galacto stack, which means what I'm probably doing is playing this in Nimrod, which again, that also works if you wanna like play this in Nimrod, have Galacto in there, you have a lot of good targets there. I just don't know if I'd rather just play this in my Nimrod deck though. You know, I might just, I might just wanna do that, put it in a, put it on a Black Panther, play the Black Panther, eat the Black Panther, play Adam Anam infusion and things like that. You know, like that kind of stuff feels, this feels a little more nim Roddy than Galacto to me, is what I'll say.

Alex: 1:46:01

That's fair. And for that reason, I guess you're thinking three and a half stars is, it's higher than I expect. Like what do you think makes it a three and a half star card specifically? So

KM Best: 1:46:11

for me, three and a half means a little bit better than average. That's sort of what I think of when I three think of a three and a half star card. Like it doesn't, it's not gonna be like a staple, but it's gonna be a card that I think when you compare it to its cohort of series four cards is probably gonna be a little bit more useful. You're happy to have it around or something like a deafening chord is like a four or four and a half star card. This is worse, but it's closer to a deafening cord than it is to, I think, than I think, than people are giving it credit for. It is significantly worse than a deafening cord, but it's way better than a web sling, for example. Like, okay, if we're looking at one cost skills, I think this is like a pretty good card. And I also think that like, again, like you just look at this and I'm just like, I don't really ever see a deck where I'd rather play America Chavez than this. I just don't see it. I would rather be doing the one that doesn't take up the board slot in my deck of broods. Like I just, I would, I, I think this is gonna be a card that shows up in a couple of specific decks and then makes appearances occasionally in various other. Alright

Alex: 1:47:14

let's bring this to a close with Dragon Lord. Now this is a series four high voltage card. I believe this will be like in some way accessible by a high voltage, whether it is through, I don't know what their plan is yet, but anyways it's a five five that reads honor reveal. Put a card from your hand here. Honestly, I did not realize this card didn't exist in Snap yet. This seems like a very obvious. Like, why wasn't this already here? This is like some intern who like did the math and was like, yo, you know what? We're just like missing. Kinda like when like Goliath came out, I was like, yo, this car doesn't need to exist yet. Yeah, like what? Right. Like what are we doing? Dragon Lord honestly is essentially like, it's funny, they actually created Red Wing before this. Isn't that kind of funny? It's like,

KM Best: 1:48:00

you know, you know the, it's the meme of like the guy who's just like walking straightforward and then below it is a guy doing gymnastics to arrive at a different conclusion. That's kind of what this is. This is just the guy walking straightforward. Red Wing is the one where it's just like, look at all this stuff you have to do and you can get this. It's like, why doesn't this card exist?

Alex: 1:48:20

But then again, red Wing is literally two costs less, right? Mm-hmm. But you need to, you need to like do the thing to get the effect, right? This here, and given how good Ramp has become over the last little bit with like Chamber obviously ramping what it is. I actually think this might be pretty good for a series four. Like I'm not, I don't think this is a throwaway series four card. I'm leaning in like the three star range where I'm like, this is probably fine. Might actually lean good.'cause if you're thinking about it, those war machine decks, we were just joking before they're playing finon, pulling Finon with this ain't a bad idea, right? Like really even pulling war machine you miss, but you pull war machine down, that ain't bad. You know what I mean? Then you just pull the after. Exactly. I think this is probably pretty good. I might even be low at three stars.

KM Best: 1:49:03

I think it's a pretty good card. I, I, my worry is largely like, what does this card cost you in deck building? What is it that you are putting in your deck in order to facilitate the inclusion of this card? What are you losing out on? Because let's say you play Dragon Lord, right? Okay, you wanna play Fin Fang fu, you wanna play Giganto. Now you have a lot more big guys and a lot less like Legion Cosmic Ghost Rider and Charis type stuff, right? Like, is that the right thing to do? Is that important to the deck at the time? Are the points being a little bit higher, winning the mirror? Is that a good enough thing to do? What is this gonna cost you to do, but like, imagine playing this card and then blinking it. This is a bunch of points. Like is Yeah, it's a lot, a whole lot of points. I buy that this could be a very real card. I just worry that it'll make its own deck more one dimensional and points only. And I think a lot of what makes Ramp good is that it's not just that it's a points deck that has Cosmic Ghost Rider, ENC, Chara Legion. It almost exists in the same space as rhm where it interacts with you. Despite putting a bunch of points on the board. I worry that losing that makes it just another numbers deck, which weirdly makes it worse positioned rather than better.

Alex: 1:50:20

Really Interesting. That's a very interesting idea there because it's like, I was actually thinking, okay, you, you play the electro, you play the blink. You pull this out, pull something else down. But you're saying, okay, well you could even just do this. You can literally play this and then play the blink and you're guaranteeing a chunk coming out. You're guaranteeing the gigantic or the inana, whatever it is in your deck. How, oh man, you're right man. We, we didn't even talk about this for

KM Best: 1:50:44

Fin Fang. Dude. We didn't even talk about this for Fin Fang, but like any six is Fin Fang. If you blink it didn't even think about that.

Alex: 1:50:52

That's true. Yeah. I will say though, this does say put versus play, so that might have an impact on something. So on reveals shouldn't pro, right? So like Dr. Do won't work. That's a great question. I would assume'cause it's pudding not playing it that like a on reveal effect won't happen. I will choose

KM Best: 1:51:11

to believe you because I don't think I have a better idea.

Alex: 1:51:16

Yeah. Sometimes like, it's like the verbiage makes a difference and Snap is like really specific with that stuff. It's just something that came to mind. I'm not sure, but honestly I am, I think that this card might surprise to the upside.

KM Best: 1:51:26

Yeah. I, I buy that. I would say this is a three star card with plenty of room to get better. It's just my worry. Is that too much of a good thing? Right? Like once you become a deck that is fully about let's cheat numbers into play and not about interacting with people. Then you have to compete with all the other decks that are cheating numbers into play. And are you gonna be the best at that? I worry that you're taking a deck that is one of the best at being a points and interaction deck and making it a deck that is one of the midst at points. And that would be my worry for Dragon Lord. Like I think it's probably a powerful card, but it changes the context of the deck in ways that I'm not sure I'd want to.

Alex: 1:52:04

You know what, I gotta, I gotta be honest with you Cam, I'm confused'cause you just finished talking about emo and how you don't want to interact with people. Now you're talking about how you want to interact. So now I'm kinda a little confused here for the record with uh, dragon Lord, I'm gonna revise to 3.5. I actually gonna go 3.5. I think it's probably better, especially as a series four. And last season we talked about Marrow, bone marrow, damnit marrow. No, no, no. You're wrong bro. See I thought you were doing a bit, I wasn't doing a bit. I'm actually confused

KM Best: 1:52:32

intentionally giving you the wrong information.'cause I thought you were doing a bit, I wasn't doing a bit. I thought you were like, oh, I'm gonna do this, man. I'll tell you the wrong thing and then it'll be funny. You were actually looking for the pronunciation there. I

Alex: 1:52:46

was actually looking for the pronunciation marrow. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Um, but anyhow, guys, I have no long, I have no idea how long this is. Are we well over, are we over two hours now? It could potentially be over two hours.

KM Best: 1:52:58

We split the recording. It's probably about two hours in two minutes.

Alex: 1:53:02

Yeah. And what's funny about that is, you know how I know we went on way too long, cam, you, okay, so there's a, there's a thing that if you look very closely, sometimes you notice when like we're on camera and you try not to yawn, but you're yawning, but you're on camera. So like, you don't, you did that like once or twice. Oh, the twice where you go,

KM Best: 1:53:17

like,

Alex: 1:53:18

yeah. Yeah. And like, hopefully no one really notices, like one of the tricks of the trade that like, you're like, yo I'm yawning, but I don't want to be like, I don't wanna just like yawn on camera. But this has been a long one, you know, faking it there made me do a real one. I I did notice that too. So if you're looking for what the real one actually looks like after Cam's, fake one, you have the evidence right there. Just go back about 15 seconds there, it'll be just fine. But Cam, man, I gotta say thank you so much for joining today, guys. Uh, this has been, uh, both unhinged but also incredibly informative. And I gotta tell you, man, it's really refreshing to be able to talk to someone who has the skill level you have. And I love this because I come in to the Snapchats. I try to be as prepared as possible. But you, you not only push that by giving me new things to think about, but sometimes you don't like as a quarterback in the NFL and you like football, right? You're catching what I'm throwing and I appreciate that. You know what I mean? You, you got, you got the hands of Larry Fitzgerald when it comes to Marvel Snap. Wow. Is that a good callback or no?

KM Best: 1:54:15

That's a great one. I mean, that's some of the best hands you could possibly have. One of the nicest things anyone could say about me is that I'm a good riffing partner, the Larry Fitzgerald of riffing. That's crazy.

Alex: 1:54:27

Well, I'm glad you like it, dude. Anyhow, let us know where we can find you on all forms of social media. My man.

KM Best: 1:54:33

YouTube can Best in a Snap. I have a secondary channel that I release a podcast on, which in case you haven't picked up on very riff and divergence heavy podcast that I do with Jerry Thompson, A Professional Magic, the Gathering Player. I also do a show on there called Know More Mutants, which is a hardcore ripoff of no more jockeys. Alex Horn, Mark Watson and Tim Keys show Alex Horn, of course, the creator of Taskmaster, one of the greatest shows ever made. I've been trying to do Snap Taskmaster for a million years. I cannot figure out how to do it, so I copied a different show that he made, which is a fun little Marvel Snap style game show. I do it with butt and Husky puppies. You can check that out. Re releases of those are gonna be on Fridays. The podcast is gonna be on Mondays, of course, on YouTube. I do seven days a week of Marvel Snap, high level Marvel Snap content. Some Marvel Yap. Just generally a Marvel Snap Daily YouTube channel on Twitter, which I will not call x, is you can find me on at km best ms. I occasionally post memes that I copied from other people who are much funnier than me in my Discord. That's where I will be. You can also find me on Twitch occasionally. I think I should be back streaming much more regularly. Again, Twitch km. Best Ms. And I know if you've watched two hours of this, you're probably already a big fan of Alex here, but you should really be a bigger fan of Alex. When I, when I am able to do a show like this, it is so nice knowing that I can be the person that I am and sort of admit to the faults that I have and sort of put those on front street in a way that is not even necessarily, not like, it's not judged, it's just put out there and accepted. And I think that's a really, really great environment to cultivate. It's one of the things that when I talk about like being a professionally jealous, one of the things I'm most professionally jealous of is just who you are as a person and how kind and nice and able to just navigate through situations with such grace that I am. It's just something I would like to be better at. Something that I truly appreciate about how you carry yourself that I would like to take away from this if possible, which I won't. I am a whiny baby man child, and I will remain a whiny baby man child. But I will try to be better than an Alex lens.

Alex: 1:57:08

I appreciate that more than you can imagine my man, that actually means a lot to me. And, uh, trust me, I hold you in the absolute highest regard. Um, I think that you're an absolute incredible creator. And it took far too long to get you here, and I hope that everyone can see why KM Best was by far the most requested guest for the Snapchat. Thank you so much for watching everyone. All of Cam's information will be down linked below. We'll see you on the next one.