Zombie Galacti Apocalypse is Here | Final Verdict on Snap's "Horde" Experiment | The Snap Chat Ep. 154

What creative strategies did Alex test with Zombie Galacti? What are the thoughts on Colonel America and Zombie Power Man in discard decks? Which champions are returning in Grand Arena and how do their skills impact deck building? Join Alex Coccia and special guest Dekkster as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction with Guest
• 0:11 Glasses Talk
• 1:39 Dexter's Life Update
• 4:03 Parenting and Gaming Balance
• 5:41 Marvel Snap Card Discussion
• 5:46 Zombie Galacti Card Analysis
• 8:38 Deck Building Strategies
• 19:45 Grand Arena and New Season
• 20:12 Zombie Scarlet Witch and Horde Cards
• 27:26 Colonel America and Zombie Power Man
• 33:33 Zombie Captain Marvel and Destroy Cards
• 35:30 Understanding Movement Mechanics
• 36:00 Zombie Captain Marvel's Potential
• 37:07 Card Synergies and Future Meta
• 38:32 Head Pool's Surprising Impact
• 40:01 Moira X and Destroy Decks
• 44:19 Energy Drinks and Goof Juice
• 50:05 Favorite One-Drop Cards
• 1:01:27 Discussing Card Art and Variants
• 1:02:47 Supergiant Card Analysis
• 1:04:37 Favorite Five-Cost Cards
• 1:07:27 Six-Cost and Higher Card Picks
• 1:12:26 Grand Arena and New Champions
• 1:23:09 Content Creation and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Alex: 0:00

Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the Snapchat. This week I'm joined by a very special guest, one of my closest friends in the Marvel Snap scene, and also fellow glasses wearer Dexter. Are those blue light filtering glasses I need to know?

Dekkster: 0:15

Uh, no they're not. They're just normal. They have, they have no prescription or anything? My uh, no prescription at

Alex: 0:22

all?

Dekkster: 0:23

No, it's just glass. But there is glass. It's zeis glass as well, you know, zes? This is, um, my wife made these.

Alex: 0:30

Really? Yeah, but like, are they just purely cosmetic? Like there's no actual reason for the, the glasses existing?

Dekkster: 0:38

Yeah, I guess she wanted to test out a new lens.'cause she was a, she's an optometrist, so that's it. That's the whole reason. There's no blue light filter.

Alex: 0:49

I gotta admit though, they look really good on you. Thanks. Yours. Look good on you too. You know what I, okay, here's a funny story. The first time I got these glasses and I went to put them on, I was like, oh, Cozy, hold on. We were about to start recording the Snapchat. I was like, hold on. I went like this. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm just, I got these new glasses for blue light filtering. He's like, you, you gonna wear those? I'm like, yeah. He's like, dude, they're huge. I'm like, I don't know man. I just did. I got them bigger'cause I don't like seeing the lens in my field of view. Yeah. He's like, alright. And now when I'm at like packs or we're at events, people don't recognize me'cause I'm not wearing my glasses. It's so funny how it's become part of like the brand almost.

Dekkster: 1:26

It is, yeah. It's definitely a brand. I mean, it looks good on you. I don't think I could pull those off, but, uh. Yeah, you look, it's, yeah, it's like Superman, Clark Kent sort of deal.

Alex: 1:35

That's right. You just can't, it's totally different. Don't, don't, uh, recognize me at all, but, okay. Forget about the glasses for a sec. You are about to embark on an insane journey in your life, my friend. Everything's about to change for you in the upcoming week or so. Do you wanna break us down as to what's going on and what might be changing in the life of Dexter Snap?

Dekkster: 1:54

Yeah, I got a, I got a baby popping out soon. Is this going live tomorrow?

Alex: 1:59

Yeah, well, uh, a couple days Monday, couple days it'll be live Monday. We're recording on Saturday. We almost never record on Saturday, but today we are.

Dekkster: 2:05

Yeah. So I'm, uh, 37 weeks pregnant. And then, uh, you my baby. You look good for 37

Alex: 2:11

weeks pregnant, dude.

Dekkster: 2:12

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Uh, ba baby soon. Um, I've never had one before. I dunno how much is gonna change, but I'm like, I'm, I'm ready, man. We've been trying for a while, so like, we're, we are, we're ready. We got everything set up.

Alex: 2:28

I love that. I love that so much. I've never had one before. It's such a what, fascinating way to frame the conversation.

Dekkster: 2:35

Yeah. Well some people are like, oh, it's easy. The first couple weeks are easy. Some people are like, oh, it's an absolute nightmare. I think it just depends on your RNG if you get like a good baby or a bad baby, right? There's definitely baby R necessary, for sure. Necessary. Not like a bad ba Well, you're, you're a professional. You keep pumping'em out at the factory, I think. But like, sometimes they're easy, sometimes they're chill, right? Sometimes they're spreading poop on the wall.

Alex: 2:58

I mean, that's just, that's just part of the experience. That's just part of the adventure. Yeah. But, uh, that's a collection track experience of being a parent. So, but what I will say is, yeah, the, the experience is totally different and each one of my kids like the delivery process and, uh, everything was completely unique. I do remember our second, our son. He, um, the doctor was like, you know what he's a little jaundiced, right? He's like, I think we need to put him under the lights. I'm like, what do you mean? Put him under the lights? And sure enough, for like 24 hours, we sat in a room with him where he, they gave him like these, like baby goggles, and he sat in like a tanning bed to like, wow. I guess like, I don't know. There, there must be an actual medical reason why this is necessary, right? Like, I'm, the way I'm explaining it is clearly from a place of complete ignorance, but they basically give him little, like, baby goggles that were sunglasses and they sat him under the lights and whatever, like that stimulation of light and like the sun would've done to him, allowed him to like, do something that babies need to do. And then they're like, oh, it worked out perfectly. Now we can go home. Then you put'em in the little car seat and they check to make sure that you've done the car seat upright and stuff like that. Yeah. It's quite an experience, but I, I will tell you, and all the parents at home who are listening are gonna tell you too, your life is about to change dramatically.

Dekkster: 4:11

Yeah. I don't know. Am I still gonna have time to play Marvel Snap? I hope. No, no. What do you mean you're hoping So? Wait, that's how I make my money. I have to be able to play the game, man.

Alex: 4:22

No, no, you will. It, things do change though, right? Like, it's just, um, you'll have to, you'll have to learn and you will do this. Like, you'll just have to learn how to schedule things, and you'll have to find time to prioritize, like, you know, the work you do and, uh, even your health sometimes, like, it's very easy to just not sleep and then not eat properly and everything like that, right? But yeah, you'll, you'll learn to prioritize, uh, you know, what's important and how to schedule kind of, uh, a routine that works for you so you can get your content done while also taking care of your family. It's, it's a challenge. It definitely is, but it's, it's absolutely possible, and it is amongst the most rewarding possible things you can do. My man.

Dekkster: 4:59

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to it, but I'm also a little scared, but not in a bad way. I just don't know what's gonna happen. It's, there's so much uncertainty, like I'm used to streaming, what, like 12 hours during Twitch drops, like for a few days straight. I don't think I'll be able to do that again. Um, we'll see.

Alex: 5:18

Yeah, it's, it's definitely a massive change. And, uh, but you know, dude, at the end of the day I just like everyone else who's listening, first of all, want to congratulate you and we're excited for perhaps an update in the, the near future, but also my man, like we have full confidence in Dexter in being able to, uh, corral a career in, uh, not only being a father, but of course in card games, Marvel Snap and whatever else may come. Dexter, we probably gotta dive into the cards, right? Yeah, we

Dekkster: 5:44

probably should

Alex: 5:45

dive into the cards. Okay. I think we need to start with the new card that's coming out in Marvel Snap. And this is Zombie Galactic, a seven four. A seven four. That reads start of game. Choose six other cards in your deck. Reveal, transform those cards into copies of this. A very interesting tagline, a very complicated tagline, one that I think has created some confusion in, uh, kind of the comment sections and couple things that I've seen. So to clarify, essentially the way this works is he costs seven power. Once you play him any card that's on the field to play that is basically affected by his aura. And that's at the start of the game and you don't choose. It almost makes it sound like you pick the cards that are gonna change, but it's done randomly. It's a random selection. When you play him, regardless of the power of the cards, they turn into copies of him, they lose their text, they turn into zombie Giles. And if your original one was a seven, eight,'cause it got sheed, all of them turn into seven eights. If it was a seven, four, the alternate to seven fours, which could be bad. Like if you play like a gladiator, that's a three eight and then you transform him, you're gonna transform him into a seven four. So yeah, it's a two, it's a two-edged sword to some degree. I came in really excited about this card when Cozy and I previewed this. I did give it a 4.5 mostly'cause of like the hype and the, uh, opportunity to play something very unique. I'd be curious as to what your star rating is out of five.

Dekkster: 7:08

You know, I've been sick with the flu or something. I think you, I, I actually think it was Cozy that gave it to me a hundred percent. Um, but I've been out of the, the game for a couple days and I'm still kind of recovering. I might sound a little congested, so I haven't given it an incredible amount of thought, but I think it's gonna be a little bit awkward and clunky. I haven't theory crafted many decks with this, but I would give it like maybe like a three.

Alex: 7:36

Okay, that's absolutely fair. Um, now I, I have to be honest with you, I've had a lot of time to play this. Um, not a lot of time I've been grinding games of Zombie Galactic because I am the one who's releasing the second dinner video for this card. And so tomorrow, on Tuesday on the official Marvel Snap channel, you will see my face talking about zombie galati. And I was, dude could be honest, I was so stressed about this. I finally got access to the client. I was like, all right, I got the client, we gotta rip it. And then I was playing and I was playing, I was playing, I was playing, trying to create decks. And like, it's one of those things where I'm like, man, I'm gonna be on the official Marvel Snap channel. I want people to look at this deck and be like, hell yeah, this guy cooked. Like, you know what I mean? I wanted to come up with something interesting and something cool. And, um, then I tried my best. And I'm gonna talk about a card that I think that a lot of people weren't really considering on the onset. As a synergistic card with Zombie Galactic.'cause a lot of people look at him and they're like, okay, how, how do I get to Seven Power? Right? How do I get to Seven Power? Do I gotta play electro? Do I got to play Luna Snow? Do I sneak him out with a Jubilee? Do I play ahum? There's all those routes, but I think the most interesting way to play Zombie Galactic is going to be with ksu. Because if you can discard the zombie galati, uh, like using a lady sip, he's a seven power card, you discard him. Then you start discarding the ksu. KSU will bring back zombie galati as a seven 12, and he will change all the affected cards to seven twelves. And as a result, you are then my friend, as they like to say, this isn't my phrasing, this is the Internet's phrasing. You are then clapping cheeks.

Dekkster: 9:12

I, wow. That's, honestly, I didn't think of that. That's a great, you're, you're a genius. You cooked man. Yeah, tried. That's really good. Yeah, I didn't even think about this in a discard deck. Well, I didn't really think about it at all, but yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, with ksu that could be huge. Uh, originally I was just thinking the, put a bunch of small powered cards, like a hand buff sort of thing. Um, but yeah, you do have to ramp to the seven energy, so that could be awkward. Um, magic's limbo is a bit of a liability right now. There's a lot of, uh, skills out there from Merlin. Yeah. Um, and, uh, I've seen a lot of Thanos out there, so that could be weird. But yeah, I like the Concho idea a lot. And then you got sif, maybe just everything is just straight up discard the Luke stuff, uh, you know, hitting swarms. I believe there's like a visual animation, like it almost has like a goop, your card has like a goop surrounding it. Uh, I'm not sure if your opponent can see that or not. Um,

Alex: 10:08

I'm not sure either. And I actually asked and no one knew the answer and I was like, what? We don't know if you, your opponent can see it. And so yeah, there's that. But um, what I will say though is I was like grinding games, testing this deck. So there's a couple things I was thinking, okay, how would symbiote Spider-Man work, for instance, right? Could be potentially interesting. The problem is if Symbiote Spider-Man gets hit by the oral, which is randomly selected when you play zombie galactic, he did, he turns into the zombie galactic. So his activate is now gone. So he can't, so that interaction doesn't work when you have swarms. If swarms are affected by the zombie galati aura and you discard a swarm, the replicated swarms come in, do not have the aura anymore. So there are some very unique interactions. And there was another one which was kind of interesting and I actually sounded like, hey, like is this supposed to work like this? And they're not sure if it was supposed to work like this, but if you have Merlin, who I think is a great card, and you transform a card that had the effect like the aura. It will go away. It won't visually be present, but when you play zombie galati, it transforms anyway. So like there is some really unique jank to this card. But I will tell you I had a lot of success with it. And again, I'm coming from a position we don't usually do previews like this, where like I have a pretty significant amount of experience playing the card in advance. But like you mentioned the small buff stuff. Let me explain you how that kind of went, because I tried, I was like, okay, what if we do like gala, who I still think is a good card with them, to be honest with you, like you got like Galata, FAOs Chavez, you do like those small buff stacks. You, you run like, uh, you know, you Broods or Mr. Sinisters, you don't like those type of buff style lists. The challenge with that was is that you can't always reliably hit the zombie galactic. Like if you gwenpool, you might gwenpool your broods or you might gwenpool Mr. Sinister and stuff like that. And then the challenge is all of a sudden you, you to a galati. He's a seven, six, but you're like, well damn, I got my Mr Sin to eight power. Or I got like, you know what I mean? Like you can actually surpass galatis power with the carts he's meaning to replace. And that was happening way more often than I expected in those buff decks because like even Chavez is a plus three because that Chavez hits like, pretty much anything in that deck. Like it's more than four power. Like you almost really want hit zombie galati and, uh, keep your mind as well. Then you, you have to play things that'll ramp if you're playing that type of deck, you need the hope Summers, you're gonna need something like Jennifer Kale or whatever. And those aren't cards that wanna get buffed anyway, so the deck felt really awkward and so that kept leaning me towards the cons. Should I just say the list? Am I, am I leaking the list in advance? What?

Dekkster: 12:36

Well, it, it was working good then. Right? But you're mostly playing against bots?

Alex: 12:40

Oh, yeah. Okay. When we're doing these, uh, these kind of like tests, right? We are against the dirtiest of the dirt bots. Like we get a new account, we're at like rank six, and like the bots are just like, they're just the dirtiest bots ever. It makes the clips somewhat, like sometimes the clips are like super like, oh, I can't even use this. The guy literally, literally played Antman in a solo lane on turn six by himself. Like I can't, like I can't actually use this clip, but that's a whole other problem. But okay, here was the deck. Here was the deck. Okay. So Wasp Scorn X 23 Blade, Wolverine, Macari, Moon Night Lady, Siff Proxima, midnight Modoc Concho, and Zombie Galactic. Now the idea here is that everything here essentially wants to get discarded and goes on the field of play. If X 23 Wolverine or proximal midnight have the galactic aura, they get discarded and they just fall into the field of play ready to get transformed. If you Moon night, it's gonna hit wolverine con you or approximate midnight and also disrupt their hand. If you play Lady C, it's guaranteed to hit zombie galactic. If you modoc right, you are generally getting rid of pretty much everything that wants to drop onto the field to play. There are some challenges, right? Um, the nice thing about something like a wasp is that if it has the aura of the zombie galactic and you top deck it on turn five on your modoc line, you could just play it down before you play modoc. I like it, right? And to some degree, like I was, while I was designed by the way, I was like stressing over this deck design for so long and I still think that scorn is probably the odd one out, and I wonder if it should be yellow jacket. I wonder if it should be something else, but I'm, I'm not. I don't know. I need to test a little more. I kind of ran out of time. Right.

Dekkster: 14:31

I was gonna say yellow jacket's probably fine. You don't care about the affliction, right? You just play in a lane that's gonna be ged.

Alex: 14:38

Yeah, exactly. Right. And scoring can be difficult because like it, the idea is, is you don't wanna discard anything that'll end up in the discard pile. You want just zombie galactic in that discard pile and everything else. For the most part, you want it on the field to play. That's why I chose to use macari. Macari runs out. Of course, if you top deck macari on a turn where like you have to blade or something, it becomes awkward. But then in that case, sometimes you just play macari then blade. You know what I mean? So yeah, I, I tried to see, okay, what can get on the field to play? And then how can we guarantee galactic discards. And honestly it worked. But the problem was, and something that kind of brought me back slightly was it felt a little bit like a one trick when you're playing traditional concho. Most con decks now, especially the highest performing ones, are often using both concho and apocalypse alongside cards like Dracula.'cause even if you discard Dracula and you bring it back with bonus power and then you get rid of. Your apocalypse, like you're still laughing, right? This type of deck, it's difficult to run like a morphous. Like morphous is an insane car, but it's hard to run morphous because if it gets the galactic effect, it just, it gets, it gets deleted anyways. And so I still think there's gonna be a need for like, continuous testing and refinement, but this is that, this is where I ended up, long story short, the idea of like, how can we discard things end up on the field to play and then at the same time really allow Concho to carry the power that you want from zombie galati. So that's where I ended up.

Dekkster: 16:03

Yeah, I mean, I like it. I'm, I'm excited. I'm more excited for this card now that you've, you've talked about it to be honest. Um,

Alex: 16:10

that's the hope. That's why second dinner has me doing the video, I guess.

Dekkster: 16:14

Yeah. No, I think it's gonna be a good time. Um, I'm trying to think what else you could do. Like, I'm playing a lot of consu with like first ghost writer. Sort of stuff where you're trying to discard Iron Man or like White Tiger or Gore, and then you bring it back with a ghost writer and you also have Concho to pull back, like another one if you didn't hit it back with a ghost writer. I don't know if this would really fit there, but I was like, how else would you want to use this? Maybe on cards that use on reveals that put something on the board. Like something like an Iron Heart's not very good or a sage if it gets transform is not good, but like a, a white tiger is not bad to include possibly maybe, I don't know.

Alex: 16:53

That is a good idea. Like what are just kind of weak cards that want to get transformed? Um, yeah. A good example of this is actually, uh, when I was, I did a ara shell too. So I did two decks for the video. I guess I'm just gonna spoil both. You guys can still watch the video smash the leg button on secondary channel, but long story short, like it included. So it was an arum shell. I did a quinjet in it. I did have cards like macari there, but I also had like the hood, the hood's a great example of a car that would love to get transformed, right? Right. Either via Merlin or of course you turn the hood into the zombie galactic. Right. And in that, I'll just read the deck. So it's an air from deck with the hood. Quinjet, Merlin, Macari FAOs, and then you got the, the buffers in Sheri Gwenpool Galata. Then I tried to cook a little bit on turn five. Okay. Leader and Dr. Doom. I figured leader could be interesting because you play'em down, maybe you steal something cool, right? And then you just flip'em into the zombie galactic. That could be potentially cool, right? Trying to cook a little bit. I

Dekkster: 17:47

like that. And of course,

Alex: 17:47

galacto and aem.

Dekkster: 17:49

Leader's, a bit like white tiger adjacent in that aspect. I dunno how like, like Faso, I guess Faso is good for discounting, but if you add energy to the card and then it just transforms into a galactic anyway, maybe that's weird.

Alex: 18:04

Potentially. Yeah.

Dekkster: 18:06

Yeah. I don't know. I think the Chu thing you were talking about, it seems like the most promising sounding thing I've heard of so far.

Alex: 18:13

Oh no, for sure. And like, again, my concern is it might be a bit of a one trick and the other side is though, is if you're playing Concho and a gamer snaps on, you turn six or turn five you know, Stardust is coming down'cause Stardust takes a dump on Concho. Because Galactic just won't come back, right? Yeah,

Dekkster: 18:30

right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that's true. That's a good point. I wonder if you wanna run Corvus in there as well, because then you can have the seven energy.

Alex: 18:38

Corvus could very well be a substitute for something like the, um. The scorn. Yeah. The problem was, was that with corvus, I found myself often hitting like the blades mods or, and those are cards that like you're relying so much on that cont bringing back zombie galactic. And again, like it seems like the narrowness of like what you're trying to accomplish kind of makes it a little more susceptible to getting teched against or getting just like bad RG or whatever. Or if you don't draw con shoes, you're like, bro, what am I even doing? And so like that was a concern I had when I was creating the deck. Like, have I created a one trick that'll look good in highlights, but in reality has like a 51% win rate. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. That's kind of the concern I have. And like, you just need more time. You need more people to test the decks. You need gamers like me, you Dara, to be testing the lists and cooking around it. Right. And the goal is to try to do something creative, but at the end of the day, I think that like we'll need some stats and refinement to see how it ultimately lands.

Dekkster: 19:34

Yeah. No, I agree. I'm hyped for discard now though. Oh, it is a big week too, right?'cause we got a grand arena and stuff too, so

Alex: 19:43

yeah, there's actually a lot going on. And you know what, yeah. With that being said, let's move on to our next focus of conversation.'Cause we will be talking about Grand Arena. We're also gonna be talking about the zombie century as part of the Grand Arena conversation. But before we do that, so next week, right? We've got a whole new season coming, right? We've got a whole new season coming. We need to do a bit of a discussion about like how this season has gone and what our general thoughts are on the hoard cards. And so we're gonna go through a bunch of'em here and kind of give our takes on it. So we're gonna start with Zombie Scarlet Witch. Remember Scarlet Witch did get buffed significantly, significantly. It's still missing one piece. As of recording, we're still, we still don't have the, the, uh, zombie sent in my opinion, the zombie sent is one of the weaker hoard cards, but potentially still good enough to generate some horde value. But. The best decks with Zombie Scarlet Lewis, you're approximately running a 52% win rate, 51% win rate range on aggregate across all games. Post Infinite, she's running a 48% win rate at an 18%. Popularity hoard is just not landing despite the significant buffs that got. So what's your experience been like playing Horde? And you, you happen to be at relatively high brackets of MMR, like you're really high ranked. So what's your experience like trying to get those weekend missions done?

Dekkster: 21:02

Um, oh, I didn't, I didn't really try and get the weekend missions done. I, bro, I didn't either. We were both gone at TwitchCon when they like dropped the OTA to. Fix this, right? Yeah. Or make it better. But I thought Horde was really bad, but then the OTA happened and I thought it was quite a bit better. It felt pretty strong to me. Yeah. I don't know if I'd say it's an an SST or eight tier deck, but it's, it's a strong deck and you can get a lot of wins. Like, uh, the new Giant man or whatever his name, he's huge. I've seen some massive giant men lately, dude. And they're like, they're, they're scary. Yes. This guy,

Alex: 21:37

huge. Someone used to clip that, by the way, that used to be taken outta context whenever possible.

Dekkster: 21:43

Yeah. This guy scares me, dude. And, uh, he didn't before. And it's, I, I don't, I don't know why it wasn't a huge change. Um, but it was substantial enough. Apparently because, um, this guy just sold as a lane. Like you see this and you see someone do like an abs man, uh, grand master stuff. I've been seeing like this in Arne Zola. There's a lot of fun things you could do. Um, I really don't think people are like done experimenting and figuring out what's good for a hoard, but I think it's good. Like, I think you can hit infinite with the Horde deck. Um, I think you climbed at high ranks with a horde deck. There are still a lot of downsides. Your pants are down to shadow King especially, but yeah, I like Zombie Scarlet Witch quite a bit now. Uh, and I also like Mr. Fantastic. He didn't really get adjusted right, but I like him in even like zoo. Like I put him in my zoo. He's a two eight, like a two eight's great. You have to meet his conditions, just like a dazzler, but two eight's pretty solid. So he's kind of a flexible guard, no pun intended. He can go in a lot of different things. Zombie Scarlet Witch, I think a little bit less flexible, but still good zombie power man. I was enjoying a lot as well. I guess he's not really a hoard card but I don't know if he did. Do you like this guy

Alex: 23:02

buddy? You are bouncing all over the place. We have organized it, we have a system, we have a flow, and you're just like, bro, I'm gonna blow through this entire topic and just throw all the cards around at once. Okay let's try to get, let's reign in our pants a little bit here. Alright, let's reign in our pants too. Exciting because you're like going off on Zombie Scar Witch. This is the season pass card and most logically I wanna talk about the premium season pass card next, but now we are like all the way into just the hoard stuff. So let's just finish the conversation about the hoard. So right off the rip, you're gonna say that zombie scar of the witch is pretty solid. You've had a positive experience with it. You did mention you like, uh, I say this name wrong every time. Zombie giant man. It's a bit of a tongue twister for me. I'm not sure why. And for the record, dude, I agree with you. This feels like a legit Gilgamesh for this archetype. It's a lane winner and it also feeds the hoard itself and then kind of munches on the feeding it's been providing, right? Yeah. It's susceptible to Shadow King as you mentioned, but Shadow King got nerfed. Its play rate has gone down pretty significantly. Listen, you're at high MR, you're seeing Shadow King in the potato ranks, man. We don't see Shadow King, right? No one's playing that garbage anymore, right? You're right though. You're absolutely right. And the play rate of specifically, well, okay, listen, shadow King was everywhere in C two. If I saw cereal, I'm like, Hey, we're we're cooked. Shadow King's gonna be in the stack a hundred percent. Now it's being splashed into actual, like tech decks, particularly the, um, the, uh. The first step's, Galactus one, which is doing pretty good, but that deck has like h you cards, like ghost rider, super giant. Like it has all, it's just like a, I hate my opponent and I want them to uninstall style deck. But yeah, zombie giant man has been very legit for sure. And in discussing these zombie, Mr. Fantastic. You did bring up a good point too. It's kind of applicable in like other types of decks with the create a card side, but you're right, it does do pretty good stuff for the Horde and once Century comes out as well, alongside the Hunger, right? Which is the card we almost didn't mention here. Okay. The hunger's cool too.'cause now you're actually, you're adding a lot of power into the Horde. Zombie Scarlet Witch has a card that can activate her without actually occupying space. And you're starting to see more of a well-rounded approach to horde. And it's exactly what they said in the OTA horde or the horde mechanics in Sel Scarlet, which came out a little weaker. But now as you're getting more tools, you're starting to see the potential more, right? So that's the zombie stuff. So you're, you're high on the hoard. You think Hordes pretty solid.

Dekkster: 25:22

Yeah, I think hordes pretty good. My concern is that like, this seems like a thematic Halloween sort of thing that they're doing. Um, like when are they gonna put more horde cards in? Like they might eventually just get out scaled. Are they gonna like buff these in are three months, four months? I feel like they're not, like they're just gonna forget about him. And it's kind of hard to recommend these.'cause I, I guess I was jumping all over the place with all the cards because I feel like you need to talk about them as one thing.'cause it's kind of a new archetype. Like you can't just get zombie scarlet witch, like she's gonna suck. If you don't have the big point slam, that's giant man. Like, you might have not a good time. Like if you don't have the hunger in addition to this, like it's not gonna be that good. And if you're playing all these, you kind of just wanna throw'em all together. But I am, I enjoy horde. I like it, but it's also like hard to recommend to. A new player, someone with a small collection level, with a limited spend on the game, like just going with a classic destroyer or something is gonna be way better, you know?

Alex: 26:22

Oh, a hundred percent. And that's exactly, I think the first week of the season. I don't remember who I was mentioning it to, but I said, I said, listen, one of the challenges we have here is that this is a very thematic season, and I think secondary must have recognized that. And that is why, and we'll talk about these next. That is why Zombie Power Man and Colonel America are not hoard cards. Because someone at some point must said like, bro, we can't go all in like this because people can't afford, they don't have the resources to buy the entire set over the course of an entire month. Like it's just too much. It's too much demands on people's resources. And so naturally I think they started leaning towards, okay, how can we make interesting cards for other archetypes? We've got two discard cards, we gotta destroy card as well. All of which are good. Um, so I absolutely agree there because it is hard. You, you need the whole. Kitten caboodle, as they say, if you're gonna play horde.'cause if you're missing the hunger, which you, I mean, you should have gotten more or less free to play. But if you're missing zombie Scarlet Witch is a big deal, but like, uh, zombie giant man, I can't say the name. I don't know why. Zombie giant man. Yeah. Like you're, you're gonna be playing at a massive disadvantage. So with that being said, we have Colonel America and the uh, zombie power man, I'm gonna give you the floor here. I was I saw Colonel America. I was like, this seems like it's gonna be very strong. And I had my doubts at the same time, and it has been phenomenal. How has your experience been?

Dekkster: 27:48

I think this card's really good. Yeah. I almost feel like he belongs in most discard decks. He ends up if he's just getting plus two, I mean, he, he's kind of better than Captain America because you don't need like an ongoing card. It's just any card. Right. If you're discarding cards, if you think you're discarding at least twice, like you should probably run this guy. He's kinda huge as a three drop. I haven't really seen many other people playing this card. I feel like I'm the only one playing this sometimes. Um, but yeah, I think, I think this, this card's great and it's, it's impressed me a lot more than I thought it would. So yeah, I've seen, um, oh my God, I was playing like this discard deck with this guy. I, uh, Mobius. Wait, mob, who's the vampire? The vampire guy. Mobius, uh, this guy. I get Mobius and Mobius confused all the time, but yeah. Um, those two you play, you play Mobius Kernel America, you bash in it huge. And then you just keep discarding things and you can play another kernel and a Mobius, but like, no one else plays that deck. I think it's a solid deck, but no one's playing that. But yeah, this card's, uh, I feel like he's underrated the.

Alex: 28:55

Underrated. Yeah. You know what? I feel like people are kind of sleeping on him. I agree. He's underrated. Despite the fact, like in my review of him, I was like, bro, this card is awesome. Like I was playing him in a bullseye shell early on.'cause I, I just wanted to play some bullseye. And what was cool about Colonel America was that like, okay, you have lanes that you're gonna win. You got the Mors lane, assuming you don't get like, roaded or whatever, but you got the Mor East Lane and then you have the docking lanes and then you have Bullseye as the activator. Here's the thing though, that bullseye lane, which might have bullseye choline Wing, whatever you're using to generate your swarms, can have Kernel America in it. And all of a sudden with all the discards you've been doing, you're actually attacking not only the docking lane, not only the uh, the Mobius lane, but the Colonel American Lane, all of a sudden is getting to like 20 something power because he's doing plus four to every single card in the lane. You know what I mean? Yeah. And if you have to plea down swarms or whatever, he makes them huge. So like, I think he allows you to have a, like a very sneaky. Additional winning line where people don't expect they're expecting to have to deal with docking, but they're not expecting to have to deal with a Colonel American lien that's way bigger than they thought it was.

Dekkster: 30:03

Yeah, no, I agree. I love this card. I wanna mess around with them quite a bit more.

Alex: 30:09

That's another one that can be taken outta context. We have a two four zombie power man. End of turn. If you're winning here, discard the leftmost card from your hand. Dexter, what was your experience with, uh, with the zombie fi Nicholas Cage?

Dekkster: 30:24

Um, well, he came out the same time as, uh, Colonel, so I was kind of messing around with him both in the same deck usually. I don't think I've really messed around with him separately. I just haven't had enough time yet. Time consuming. But, uh, yeah, but, uh, he, he was good, like hitting swarms, um, hitting your ksu, hitting your apoch, hitting your, uh, your scorn. Like you just build your deck around everything you're happy to discard. So yeah. Are you, are you dying off the camera right now? I'm trying

Alex: 30:55

to hold it in. I can't, I'm so immature, man. Someone's gotta like, just, I gotta grow up eventually. Sorry. Continue, sir. I, I didn't even hear what you said for the last, like, 10 seconds, so I was trying to hold in my laughter.

Dekkster: 31:05

Okay. Well, uh, I, I like him. He's good, man. He's a very powerful dude. But also sometimes I found like, it, it was awkward to, uh. Like sometimes he didn't wanna discard your left mouse card. Maybe the deck was, that was a deck building issue. Um, you gotta just make sure you're happy with discarding everything. But sometimes you know, your blade's on the far left and you're winning the lane, you're gonna discard your blade and then you're sad about it. But whatever. I, I still think he's, uh, he's pretty good. A little bit unexplored, just like a lot of cards are. But I think colonel's way better. I would give colonel like a, like a, like a four-ish, maybe out of five. I would give this guy like a, like a three maybe

Alex: 31:46

I would go like two and a half on zombie power. I'm exactly with you. I agree. Colonel America is definitely the better card than zombie power man. I've had op, I've had games where like zombie power man does pop off, but it's'cause like I bleed a swarm on like turn one. Yeah. And then I play out like my lady sif and then like my swarms just keep shifting left. And then I play zombie power Man, he just munches them one at a time. Right. And then it's like, oh, it's glorious. Right. But you're right. When you are discarding always from the left, sometimes things are there and you're like, bro, I don't wanna discard from the left. And everything that gets discarded jumps to the right. So like, you know, you're kind of working through your hand and you're like, bro, I kind of need my lady s or like, I cannot discard my modoc. Like modoc. If you have in your opening hand and you're relying on him for to clear your hand for your apoch play, you can't discard a modoc like that's psychotic or discard him and then hope that with zombie power, man, you just continue discarding through the entire game. Right? He is a two four. He is got the power. Um, did you ever try VIPing him over to anybody or No, I never ended up trying it, but I, I heard stories of it being glorious.

Dekkster: 32:45

I feel like that's just, you're, you're investing too much in a meme play. Like, it'd be funny, I guess, but you're gonna, you're gonna lose the game, I feel like, I guess unless you so

Alex: 32:55

like viper this over and then like, I don't know, black bolt and then profit somehow.

Dekkster: 33:00

I guess you have to really hope you hit like a key card. Um. From their hand. Risky. Their risky man, their

Alex: 33:08

apocalypse. Too risky.

Dekkster: 33:08

Yeah, probably that's what's gonna, are you gonna hit their swarm or something? But yeah.

Alex: 33:13

Yeah. On the turn, you, you fight over zombie power, man. They play their bullseye. You just give them all their swarms. Yeah, that's, that's exactly how my play experience would go as well. But yeah, so that's the discards. We talked about the hoard. We talked about the discard cards. We didn't talk about the Destroy. Okay. We guys get started with the destroy cards. There's one that I really like and one that I'm kind of disappointed in. Zombie Captain Marvel, you are my card of the month. You are my card of the month. And I gotta be honest with you, I'm not happy. But this was one of those circumstances and I discussed it on like my video and I was like, listen. I had a great win, uh, win rate playing the zombie Captain Marvel, but I felt like she wasn't actually the reason why I was winning. I was playing like destroy with like head P that was crushing it. Moira was giving me multiple deaths and like, there was all this crazy stuff happening and there were some glorious plays with zombie Captain Marvel doing some really sensual stuff, but I don't think she was carrying the winds. And I was like you guys like, don't fomo into Captain Marvel. Even though like I came in high on the original Snapchat for it. Ultimately I think that this is a skip, even though I think the design is really cool and like, I don't know, I, I like the card dude, but I don't think it's as good as I expected, if that makes sense.

Dekkster: 34:24

It's very awkward. I think mostly in its cost. Like if you're playing a Nimrod sort of deck, you'd probably rather play, you know, like Surey or Symbiotes. If you're playing like a Deadpool deck. You don't wanna play this on four, you wanna play Deadpool in a card to eat'em? Um, I, I just can't find a proper place for this. I did find one place that felt okay to me. First off, the stats on this card are absolute dog water, right? Yeah, they suck. Um, they're, they're really bad. But where it felt best to me was like this saber tooth deck that I was playing where you basically put cards you want to get destroyed. Like you're playing hood, uh, you're playing Bucky, you're playing, uh, sentry so you can eat the void. Maybe even like a debris to kind of clog your opponent a little bit and then you just eat your own rock. Like that sort of thing. It felt decent, but it, it didn't feel great. It felt like I was just forcing something. It felt, a little bit fresh.'cause like who's playing saber tooth? I was

Alex: 35:21

gonna say it felt like you were playing a saber tooth deck, I think is what the problem was.

Dekkster: 35:25

Yeah, maybe it was better without saber-tooth. Um, but it was, it was fun. But I think like another big issue is you move to a location you're losing, even if it causes you to like lose this lane. And I don't know, it's just like the movement was awkward, I guess when I first saw this, I was also thinking more of like Captain Marvel,'cause I don't know how to read, I guess. And I was like, oh, end of game. It's gonna move and like win for me for some reason. Um, which that is definitely not the case if you know how to read. Uh, it's just, it's moving once you activate it and never again. So

Alex: 35:59

that, that is, that is factually correct. Yes, sir. There were moments though where because she gained so much power, like plus three power is nothing to scoff at. Like that's a lot of extra power, right? She could move to a lie, then all of a sudden now she's winning it. She checks the condition if she's losing and then moves and could potentially be now winning that location, which is kind of cool. But what you said was exactly correct. The activate component of her feels like the greatest limitation because you want to be so proactive when you're playing destroy, like you need that Deadpool cycling, right? And zombie Captain Marvel felt like a good card in games where like you're, you were cooked anyways, like you never drew your Deadpool and you happen to have X 23 Wolverine on the field to play and you didn't even carnage yet. So you just played the zombie cap Marvel. But like literally you have nothing on the board and this was your best idea. You know what I mean? And you're right in the Nimrod stuff, you definitely have to prioritize Sure. Your symbion because that's your wind condition, right? So I totally feel you, dude. And so yeah, she definitely under, she underperformed, even though I do think the card is cool. I think it's a neat design. It might need some more support. Like I, I almost wonder if like, there'll be a card, this looks like the kind of card that like another card comes out, you're like. Zombie cap is perfect for this. This is like this fire hair and something else, and now it's broken as hell. You know what I mean? Like this in fire hair plus something coming out like six months from now will probably break the meta.

Dekkster: 37:22

Yeah. I think we need more cards like, uh, like Uncle Ben or something for it. Just cards like, or like Bucky Bucky or Uncle Ben. Like if we get one more of those, I feel like it would really strengthen this and kind of make its own little archetype, I guess. But yeah, the card's just bad and if you, I don't know how to change it, man. Like it is a fun, unique card and I feel like this is one, we're like talking trash on and then yeah, in a couple months everyone's gonna be like, oh, this card's really good because they printed this other card, but you know, they forget how it was before. Um,

Alex: 37:53

yeah. And Dexter and Alex told me not to get it. Now it's broken. F them. Yeah, that's,

Dekkster: 37:56

yeah. But like, if they buck this. If they, how do they change this? I don't. Giving it plus four would be too good. Plus four to, uh, each card destroyed. That'd be way too good. If they give it five power, like maybe five or six pound, maybe just upgrade. Its, its base power six can be

Alex: 38:10

insane though.

Dekkster: 38:12

Yeah. Or if you lower its energy, you can't do that. It's way too good if you make it three energy, like it becomes, I feel like, busted in Nimrod decks.'cause then you go this Yeah. Into Surey. Into Nimrod Activate, into carnage, venom. So it's a really hard card to balance. I think the only thing you could really mess with is its base power.

Alex: 38:33

I'm in agreement, sir. But you know what Card absolutely took me by surprise Head pool dude. I came in on with head pool. I was like, I don't think this card's that great. I'm gonna admit it guys. Damn. Did I have, I enjoyed playing this card this month. Man, this card was so much better than I expected it to be. I was like, is this even solving a problem that Destroy has? And then I'm like, wait a minute. And it's one of those circumstances where you gotta play the card to fully appreciate it.'cause like it was buffing itself. It was buffing itself. It was making the deaths bigger. And even though, even though the Moyer X version of Destroy technically is like 1% lower win rate and slightly lower Qurate, I'm gonna play that anyways'cause I'm a psychotic that way. But dude, head pool has been so good for Destroy, like Destroy is legitimately a meta contender right now. And I think this is a big part of it.

Dekkster: 39:20

I think destroy was really good even before this got printed. Like Moira coming out. Yeah. Improved, destroy a lot. I think you said the stats are like not as good. I wonder how much that depends on rank, but like getting a random death, like the, the unknown part I feel like really helps the cube equity. Like your opponent doesn't know if you got an extra Killmonger, like can they play out their one cost now or did you get an extra death? Do they have to leave or like they just have no idea or just printing an extra carnage or something. So yeah, I think Mario really strengthened it and it was in a good position and then adding head pull on top of that, it's just one of the best decks out there right now.

Alex: 40:01

This is one of those circumstances where I'm like, I knew you're gonna say this. And I came so prepared bro, so prepared you'd be proud of me. I literally have a screenshot right in front of me here and it is destroy. With both variations. The head pool with Moyer X and the head pool without Moyer X. Now please note I'm biased as hell. I want Moyer X to be better. I don't care. It's like my favorite when we do our favorite cards, the top cards of the month. Yet, you better damn well believe I'm talking about Moyer X you. The Moyer X version of Destroy Post Infinite has 1500 games on it. According to Untapped, it's running a 55.4% win rate in a cube rate of 0.27. I know it's a lot of numbers. The Destroy without Moira X and instead of Moira Wolverine is in the list, is running a 0.39 cube rate versus the two seven and is running a 56% win rate flat, and both of which have, well, one of'em has 2200 games and one has 1500 games, so de decent sample size. So you're looking at 0.6% increased win rate and a point. Zero point, uh, one two cube rate high. I'm gonna put the graphic on the screen.'cause the way I just explained it was awful. But long story short, I have like confirmed stats from Tatch Post Infinite that the non Moira version is better. To my chagrin.

Dekkster: 41:14

Is this top 50% infinite?

Alex: 41:16

No, just pure infinite.'cause I just want the larger sample size.

Dekkster: 41:19

Okay. Yeah. I feel like it would be possibly different, like pulling the top 50% would, uh, get rid of people saying, oh, I'm just gonna stay. I'm trying not to curse. I'd be like, oh, I'm just gonna stay'cause it's only

Alex: 41:31

two no curse. I want you

Dekkster: 41:32

to, I'm asking you to curse. Alright. People are just like, oh, it. Like, it for two. Like, I didn't,

Alex: 41:35

you actually took,

Dekkster: 41:37

you told me what the Oh my God. You're, you're the master baiter dude. Every time I see you, you're just baiting. But yeah, I, I don't know. I think, um, I do like Wolverine over it. I think that like, there's just room for, uh, experimentation. Like, do you like Moira? If you don't like Moira, just freaking take her out. Put Wolverine. Like, that's totally fine as well. Or if you don't have head pull. But you do have Moira. It's, it's probably still a good neck, but, I don't know. It's flexible and I think that's good for people with limited collections. I kind of hate Moira, you know, I was like kind of glazing her a little bit. But I do feel like, um, when I play Moira, she's hitting like the most useful stuff that I don't want to hit when my opponent plays Moira. Oh, it's fricking, it's death every time. It's depth, every single time. But me, no man, I don't know what I'm getting.

Alex: 42:26

I'm trying to do the calculus, like how do I kick this guy off the podcast or disrespecting Moira me while still continuing somehow and putting out the show. I can't figure it out. How dare you? I, you know what you have to do? Listen, I, I'm gonna accept, oh, he's gone. Dexter's dead.

Dekkster: 42:42

I'm

Alex: 42:43

back. Listen, I listen. I'll accept an apology and I'll accept that you wash your mouth out with soap after. Okay. You're gonna have to stream it though. Okay, but Moira X, Caleb, we're gonna go right to the top cards of the month. Now Moira X, we're gonna do it by cost is my number one by far. The entire month is my favorite card. We're starting at one cost anyways. I love Moira X so much and I know we've already been talking about Destroy. I don't care if the other deck's better. I don't care if it has a higher cube rate. I don't care if it has a higher win rate. Is it just the animation? No, it's not just the animation. I love the fact that it makes my place so unpredictable for my opponent. They have no idea what I'm doing. And when I see that double death, you damn well know I'm snapping. There is Snap equity there, baby. Like it's just there. I tried playing some dorm mama with her. It was just hand clogged disaster. Moira X is the shizz. I love this card. You watch your demo.

Dekkster: 43:32

I'm sorry I take it back. Moira's great.

Alex: 43:35

There it is. I love Moira. I appreciate you. It's

Dekkster: 43:37

a skill issue, honestly, that I'm just not hitting my deaths with it. That's the problem.

Alex: 43:42

That's fair. Okay. Who's your one? I've already, we've been glazing Moura, uh, Moira, as they say. That's a moist, critical, uh, reference there. I get, by the way, I get all my news from moist critical, and now I feel like, uh, I, I've been sending my wife moist critical links and I'm like, Hey, listen to this. She's like, why are you, I'm like, he's talking about something important. She's like, but why are you sending me this? He'll talk about like something like in the news, and I'm like, listen to, and like I send it to her as if like, this is CNN, you know what I mean? Like, no, you send someone like an, like an article from CNN or something. I send her moist. Like videos and commentary.

Dekkster: 44:14

You, I think you're his number one fan. Like you're all about the, the goof juice or whatever. I was

Alex: 44:19

hunting down, oh man, t wait, lemme say this story. I'm so sad.

Dekkster: 44:24

It might be a different story, but, um, they were giving out like free goof juices, which is moist, criticals, like, I don't know, flavor for energy drink or whatever. And Alex was so excited. He picked it up and he cherished it. It was like one of his children, his fifth child. Um, and he was walking around Twitch con. He wasn't drinking it. I don't know why. He was just holding it. It was probably warm. He was just waiting, waiting for, I put in the fridge a

Alex: 44:45

couple of times too to try to cool it off.

Dekkster: 44:47

Yeah. He was waiting for the right moment to crack it open. And then mid-conversation with someone, he accidentally knocks it over or like drops it while it's still closed and it just, it like cracks the lid and it just starts spilling And uh, he was so crushed it. I've never seen him so sad. Yeah.

Alex: 45:08

I had been nursing that goof juice. For like literally nine hours. And I don't know why I hadn't opened it. I didn't want, I almost wanted to take it home with me and keep it. Yeah. I actually have a container of goof juice and I, I don't want to open it because I just, I just want the, I just want it and like, it's like a, do you know when you get like a, it's the equivalent. This goof juice is the equivalent of like me having like a first edition like booster box of Pokemon. Yeah. You can't open it, man. You can't open it.

Dekkster: 45:34

It's like, yeah. It's like a sealed product that goes down in value. If you open it, yeah. You're just keeping it forever. Okay. That's right.

Alex: 45:39

And I'm tired all the time. I could use some, like, some goof energy man. You know what I mean? You should

Dekkster: 45:44

probably just start goofing, man.

Alex: 45:47

I should start goofing. You're right, man. You're right. I should start goofing. Just chug it right here on stream. It's a lot of caffeine. Dude. I think we did the math. Didn't you tell me it was like four coffees or something?

Dekkster: 45:56

Yeah. I don't know. I get each coffee can kind of like vary, but it's about four maybe. Well, the can was, I don't know, but like Yeah, it was a big can. It was like a. I don't think it was a tall boy, but, uh, yeah. Do you know what a tall boy is?

Alex: 46:11

Yeah. It's like a beer can that's just, uh, elongated.

Dekkster: 46:14

It's a, yeah, it's a tall boy. Yeah. Okay. No, it was, it was a little smaller. Right? It was like a Red Bull size.

Alex: 46:21

Was it a Red Bull size? I felt like it was bigger than a Red Bull.

Dekkster: 46:24

I guess there's multiple sizes of Red Bull. So this is a big I all I know is that

Alex: 46:28

like every time we went to like CVS or something actually was like, bro, I need a monster energy. You're like, you all you did was drink energy drinks the whole time. Like I, is that even healthy?

Dekkster: 46:37

Oh no. But I like, I need to be able to socialize and not die, you know?

Alex: 46:43

Hmm.

Dekkster: 46:43

I was also running low on, on energy, not energy drinks. I was just tired. Uh, because Cozy doesn't let me sleep. He just keeps jumping around on the bed all night,

Alex: 46:54

another one that can be taken horribly out of context. I love this. You, you're just, you're just feeding the clip machine here today?

Dekkster: 47:00

I'm not doing it intentionally. I, I just, uh, I need energy, man. I think when, um, when I'm out and about, if I'm ever traveling somewhere, I normally don't want to like, go to a coffee place because of lack of consistency. Like sometimes I will, but, you know, like an energy drink here, like a monster here is the same as a monster, in the east coast or whatever. Like, it's all, it's all the same. I know what I'm getting. It's like a, a McDonald's or something. You know,

Alex: 47:31

McDonald's, this guy says, Jesus,

Dekkster: 47:32

if you try a coffee, what if all of a sudden, uh, you've developed lactose intolerance and you have to run to the bathroom and you have to mix miss your, uh, meet and greet or something. I don't know. Like it's drink black

Alex: 47:42

coffee, bro.

Dekkster: 47:43

Yeah, but what if it like sucks?

Alex: 47:46

I don't have an answer for that. I don't drink coffee.

Dekkster: 47:50

Inate, your first, your first taco. Sorry. You eat your first taco? Yeah.

Alex: 47:54

I had my first ever actual real Taco Dexter and I, we, we went to a legitimate Mexican, uh, restaurante as I think they, they called them and we sat down and the tortilla, okay. Last time we talked a tacos, I called the tortilla bread and people lost their minds. I, that was Why would you, because I said, oh, the bread was different. And people were like, if he say, if he means bread as in tortilla, this guy's a clown. And I was like, I'm not gonna, that's like, that's like

Dekkster: 48:21

calling is a noodle bread.

Alex: 48:24

No, that's not the same tortillas. A it's car bread. The noodles are,

Dekkster: 48:30

I feel like I can agree with that, but also they're completely different.

Alex: 48:34

I'm, listen, I'm recognizing this. I'm trying to improve on my vernacular. Okay. I'm okay. I'm admitting I was wrong, Dex. I just didn't know

Dekkster: 48:41

you had to ever said that. I wouldn't have hung out with you if I knew you said that.

Alex: 48:46

Anyways, so we got this and the tortilla was like a traditional, like, like Mexican tortilla, and we got the, it was like some pineapple, Carney, Carney. I think it's how it said, I said Carney, like a car past

Dekkster: 48:59

pineapple. It's pineapple like, like pork, I guess. Pork, yeah. Oh, it wasn't

Alex: 49:04

even beef. That's right. There was another one that was beef. Anyways, they were incredible. They were so good

Dekkster: 49:09

and

Alex: 49:09

Oh, we have the Mexican

Dekkster: 49:10

coke

Alex: 49:11

too.

Dekkster: 49:11

Yeah. Yeah. I said you have to try a Mexican coke, man. It's different. It hits D

Alex: 49:15

different. It was different actually.

Dekkster: 49:16

Yeah. Yeah.

Alex: 49:18

It felt more natural. And then you explain that it's because it's made with cane sugar. Yeah. I don't know how they do it in Canada. I think we get the same thing.

Dekkster: 49:28

Yeah. Like a Canadian Coke might be the same as a Mexican Coke. Actually, all I know is that No,

Alex: 49:33

there's no way there. No, no, no. I, it definitely was d different. You use high

Dekkster: 49:35

fructose. Okay. Yeah. If you use high fructose, then uh, you gotta have a Mexican Coke, man. But they're like, uh, that's a luxury item. You know, they're not that cheap'cause they gotta like import them. But you were covering the bell. So I said, let's get a Mexican Coke.

Alex: 49:50

You know what? It wasn't until afterwards I realized it was like$5. That's okay. I wasn't gonna bring it up bud. But, uh, now that you have, I do appreciate that lunch was on me. So we're just swimming in in Mexican Cola.

Dekkster: 50:01

Yeah. I should've got two, man.

Alex: 50:04

Oh man. Alright. But should we actually talk about your favorite one drop?

Dekkster: 50:07

Oh, sorry. Yeah, we were, so I prepared myself, I forgot we were talking about

Alex: 50:10

two. Yeah,

Dekkster: 50:11

I prepared myself for, um, top cards Wait of the month. It's just like our favorite of each cost, right? In general. Yeah.

Alex: 50:18

So what, like what was your favorite one drop to play? This one.

Dekkster: 50:20

So my favorite Zero drop. You gotta start with zero wasp.

Alex: 50:26

Okay.

Dekkster: 50:26

Okay. Do you agree or you prefer yellow jacket? I just

Alex: 50:30

finished talking about how I wanna play Wasp and Concho, so I'm here, I'm here for it. Yeah.

Dekkster: 50:33

Okay. All right. So we can agree on that one. And then I've actually got, um, I gotta come. You gotta say why. What are you doing? I got a list of I have, how does this work? How do cameras work? Uh, I got, uh, two different choices. Okay. Wait, I gotta talk about why wasp

Alex: 50:52

just generally. Okay. I mean, you don't have to if you don't want to, but everyone's gonna wander

Dekkster: 50:57

because it's better than yellow jacket. There's only two options.

Alex: 51:01

Oh my gosh. You literally started at zero. Yeah. That's, you chose between one of two cards. Oh my God. Okay. That's not, okay. That's not quite in the spirit of what we were trying to do here, but IAnd drop, why You're confused. One drops favorite one drop. Yeah. Okay, so let's, okay, let's pretend the zero one, like I thought that, like this was your favorite one drop.

Dekkster: 51:20

No, this is my favorite. Zero drop. Okay. What there's. Are you trolling me right now? I feel like this, I get, oh, you're trolling me. What is this? I think you're trolling me. I got a list of zero through eight. I chose my favorite seven drop. I can't show this because this is, oh my God. Okay.

Alex: 51:36

I zero and one are like one category and six and plus are another.

Dekkster: 51:40

Okay. So I have, uh, for one drops, I have what I think is like the best, but it's a specific niche. So it's not Howard the best, but a specific and the best, but a unspecific. So I think just the best card that you can almost throw in. Like any deck maybe I put bump. Oh really? Sir. Hydration bob. Sir. Hydration Bob. But I think the maybe the best one drop is actually like Deadpool. I feel like Deadpool's cracked right now,

Alex: 52:12

so. Oh, Deadpool's so good right now.

Dekkster: 52:14

So I kind of chose two. Um, but those are my reason. Like Deadpool sucks in almost any deck. That's not a Deadpool deck, but Bob is good in so many decks, so. I think dead Pole's one of the stronger ones, but Bob is great if it's like someone trying to like get a card for their collection. It's kind of what I'm getting now. Bob

Alex: 52:32

feels like an evergreen, like it's always gonna be good in pretty much anything. Remember when this was a one five, how insane it was? Yeah. Yeah. And it releases a one four. They got buffed to one five and they got released, uh, nerfed back down to a one four.

Dekkster: 52:46

He's so good though. Well, I guess with Kat coming out, uh, I feel like he's been a little bit less good.

Alex: 52:52

Yeah,

Dekkster: 52:52

it's

Alex: 52:52

true.

Dekkster: 52:54

I like this car lot. This almost made the cut for me too.

Alex: 52:56

Yeah. Who's your two? Do you want to lead the way or do you want me to go with my two drop?

Dekkster: 53:01

Uh, I wanna go first'cause otherwise, uh, no. Maybe you should go first. Otherwise you're just gonna copy me.

Alex: 53:06

Boom. Merlin. Oh, that's a great choice one. Yeah, that's a great choice. I have a, I have a second choice. That's spicier. Well, not spicier, just a little less common, but I think Merlin is so, I think this is easily one of the best cards in Marvel Snap. It gives you so much utility. It can go in almost any deck. It feels great to play at pretty much all times. Dude, this card is so unbelievably good. I feel like people know it's good, but it doesn't quite get the respect it deserves. You

Dekkster: 53:28

know what

Alex: 53:29

I mean?

Dekkster: 53:29

I respect it. I'm scared of this, this man. Mostly for omni universal, uh, presence. Is that Yeah. Changing, uh, location. So scary. Plus he gets plus two. Like he doesn't need that dude. That's insane. Um, but yeah, Merlin's fantastic. I maybe would've put him, but I put, I put er Is this boring? Like I puter?

Alex: 53:49

No, ER is a good call, dude.

Dekkster: 53:50

Even though er got nerfed, I feel like er is still very, very strong. And like, if you're just thinking like, what to drop do I put in here? I put er and then for my, uh, my, my other one, which was just like. Serge is like almost in any deck you could put SE in, but Victoria hand I think is just like a very cracked card as well that I've actually seen. Victoria hand

Alex: 54:10

has been like almost meta breaking, but not quite hitting that level yet. Eh. Like she's just under the radar. I think

Dekkster: 54:18

that's a hideous split. But yeah, I think, um, I think Victoria hand is cracked, dude. Like, uh, I've not been seeing enough people play her like, you got Victoria hand into Fri. It's almost like you just gotta Snap, you know? And I kinda like that. So I think, yeah, I think, I think Victoria Hand's a great kind, but I feel like my choices are boring. Dude,

Alex: 54:38

buddy over here is chirping the crap outta my split. I don't have a good Victoria hand split, man. Would you like this one better with the bananas and the psychedelic background? No, I Wait, how did you I know, I'm sorry. Don't do that. Don't do that. I was, my special mention was Mirage. I've had more fun playing mirage this month than I usually have and obviously in Victoria hand deck, but I think Mirage. It's a super cool card. Let's move to the threes. There's only one card I can say that I was excited about this month. The change to krs Man. I know that it ultimately has not been like a banger statistically, but this is a fun change. I'm here for it. I like Kang.

Dekkster: 55:18

I hate, I hate Kang. He's so bad. I hate him. Like with the passion. I don't know, like my stream where K got reworked and everyone wanted me to play, that was like probably the worst or like least enjoyable stream for me. Maybe it was enjoyable for other people to watch, to see me go through pain, but for me, I was like, I, I was looking at the length of the stream, like I was, uh, ready to punch out at work, you know, like I was done. I was like, I don't, I don't wanna play King anymore. Uh, but if I play anything else, anyone's like, oh, why, why aren't you playing King? You know? Um, there you go. So my favorite card, that's a little more specific, of course. Cerebro. I think you could have guessed this.

Alex: 56:00

Yeah, that, that makes sense. Now I'm trying to think of ways to insult cerebral. I know you're gonna hate the split I have on right now. I'm thinking of ways I could insult your cerebral, but I don't wanna, I also love cerebral,

Dekkster: 56:09

but I don't, I don't, something's wrong with me. Like, I don't like the, like the medex, right? Like I don't play the doc in bullseye stuff that, you know, you created or whatever. Like, I, I don't, I don't play that'cause that's like kind of top of meta right now. I don't play C3'cause it was like too popular. I don't play C two'cause it's like also too pop. I've been playing a lot of C four lately, C four with the newly buffed shadow king. It's it's kind of good. It probably isn't actually that good, but it's kind of like surprisingly not bad. Um, with, uh, miss Marvel in it. No. No.'cause she, she has fine power. That's a C five.

Alex: 56:49

Oh wait, she has five power.

Dekkster: 56:50

Oh, mean ca You mean zombie? Zombie Marvel?

Alex: 56:52

No, actually, it's so funny you mention that I've not played this card. Oh, miss, interesting. In so long. Think she got buffed back up. I thought she was still four power. Dude, I legit forgot this card got buffed again. That's

Dekkster: 57:01

a, that's a C five card.

Alex: 57:03

Yeah. My bad. Let's go show you how often I play C five

Dekkster: 57:06

for, for three drop. That's a little more flexible. I put Prodigy, I also said Luna Snow's really good and so Gladiator. I think all three of those are just all, but I like Prodigy 40 cards. I'm sorry I misunderstood the assignment. That's your fault. You're a teacher.

Alex: 57:24

Yeah. I should have made the assignment. The instructions were unclear and it's, uh, it's all my fault going to, I can almost guess your fore drop, by the way. Can I guess after, I'm gonna say mine for, no, I'm gonna guess yours first. Can I guess yours?

Dekkster: 57:35

Yeah. Yeah. Go for it.

Alex: 57:37

Am I right? No. Come on. Every time I go in your street, you're playing a fire Lord Deck. I'm like, who's playing fire Lord in 2025 and it's Dexter. You're playing fire. Okay, now I feel bad. There's no way. You actually were the only one cooking with this guy.

Dekkster: 57:49

Yeah, no, I think I gave up on him. I was trying stuff with him and I, I actually miss him being Six Power'cause I liked him in Cerebro six. Like Unironically. He was good in Cerebro six, but he's, he sucks here at Seven Power. Alright, my guess also sucks. What's your guess?

Alex: 58:08

No, my guess was, oh, so your guess said it

Dekkster: 58:09

was his. Okay. What's your actual card? What's your actual card?

Alex: 58:11

My actual card. Okay. Listen, I've been playing way more, way more ongoing than I should and I got a pretty nice, I got a pretty nice, uh, variant for Moonstone and I think that Moonstone is a really underappreciated card that just takes what Ongoings doing and just amplifies it. And I like that. I like Moonstone a lot. It's been, uh, it's been a card I've really appreciated this month.

Dekkster: 58:34

You're not drinking your, your goof juice, but you're drinking your, your goon juice. It seems like this is a raw dinner. No, definitely

Alex: 58:40

drinking the goon juice. Man, you, I'm always sipping a little bit of goon juice, you know what I mean?

Dekkster: 58:44

Boy, that's a little sensual, a little erotic is the children's show. Don't, don't talk about Is it, is it

Alex: 58:50

children's show now? You've already sworn multiple times. Did I?

Dekkster: 58:55

Yes. Did I? How am I gonna not say bad words around my kid?

Alex: 58:59

You know what, what? Like, I have been unfilled news for, for eight, I got for like three years. They can't understand the words you're saying anyway, but then at about three years old when you least expect it. They're gonna like, they're gonna repeat something. They're gonna like say something. You're like, bro, that's my fault, my bad. And I'll tell you a fun story. So I've sworn in front of my kids so many times, like, not like I don't swear a lot, like, but sometimes I do. You know, just get the you know, you just give it a little, um, they never repeat anything I say ever. They just ignore me. I just don't, my wife and she like, she is like a saint. She doesn't say anything bad about anybody. She's so quiet. She doesn't swear. One time she was painting or something and she dropped the paint can off the ladder and it just spilled all over our floor. And she dropped like a legit F bomb. And it's like the only one I've heard her say in like 20 years. And my, like our three-year-old just looked up at her and just was like. And just repeated it. We're like, no, my wife's like, how is it possible? I say it once and now the three year old's just repeating it and he keeps saying it. It's my wife's faults, it's my wife's fault. So yeah, that, there's a little lesson on how that ends up working out.

Dekkster: 1:00:06

Okay. Well, I'm sure my kid will say worse things than your kids, but

Alex: 1:00:12

it's like a competition.

Dekkster: 1:00:14

It's a competition, yeah. Who swears more at five years old? Um, okay, so I chose, come on, let's get on track buddy. Come on. Bastion. Okay. I can get behind

Alex: 1:00:27

that.

Dekkster: 1:00:28

I love Bastion. He's so fun in so many different decks. Like you're playing an ongoing deck. You play bastion. If you're playing, uh, you know that, that Kernel America, whatever that discord deck I'm playing bastion. That's actually, that's all I can think of is those two.

Alex: 1:00:46

But he doesn't bring up, uh, cerebral three. It's fine.

Dekkster: 1:00:49

Yeah.'cause I said I hate cerebral three, but yeah, he definitely is good in cerebral three. Which I don't play, but, uh, that, that's a, like a bit of a specific card, but I honestly feel like, yeah, he's great dude. He's so good. I think he's underplay like also him, Victoria Hand and Frika in the same deck they coach. Yeah. Ma Mia. Yeah. That's a good deck. And then, uh, I also chose, I, I realized mid podcast You hate this card.

Alex: 1:01:15

I hate this card.

Dekkster: 1:01:17

Yeah. I don't hate many

Alex: 1:01:18

cards.

Dekkster: 1:01:19

It has seven power and it starts with an s

Alex: 1:01:24

I'm trying like, is Itron Can't Beron.

Dekkster: 1:01:27

I like STAs. You don't hate Teron?

Alex: 1:01:28

No. Who the hell, who do I hate?

Dekkster: 1:01:32

It's a giant. Oh

Alex: 1:01:34

man. The only thing I hate about this card is I hate the art. I don't understand why she's wearing a jock. Well, you could change your variant, man, but I don't have many options, man. I mean, I got the Max GRE I guess. There you go. I like, I like the general flow. I just don't understand the jock. Well, why you even look in there, man, I like that. I'm looking there. I'm just saying it's like, you know, if she playing hockey, like I don't understand why she needs that. She's in battle. That so that there she's like, okay listen, give me the leather jumpsuit. But yeah, a little protection, little armor. I'm gonna need this piece of armor. Yes. Specifically tailored to, okay. Okay. I understand.

Dekkster: 1:02:09

Yeah, it might makes sense. I don't know. I don't know. The Laura super giant I use, uh, the Max GRE one. I like that one Big Max fan over here. This one. Um, yeah. But, uh, with a better, you know, split

Alex: 1:02:22

I swear I have decent splits around. I just, I wasn't prepared to have to pull up my max Greg. I just, what I do is I upgrade all my cards that I don't actually play to just the, the, uh, the uncommon border. Because it costs 25 credits, so that's why everything's green if it's not my main.

Dekkster: 1:02:39

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I think this one's good as well. Now I can't unsee what you spoke about, but like, other than that, it's, it's a pretty good one. Anyways, this card, I feel like crushes a lot of the things that frustrate me. And for me, there's a lot of tech cards out there that I hate playing against. Like they're not fun to play against even a, like a qe, even though QE doesn't really like win anything anymore. It still sucks to get qed, like it's not fun or getting shadow King, like, it's frustrating getting Mobius. It's frustrating for some reason. It's super giant, doesn't frustrate me as much, so I feel like I, I really like the design of this card. Like it's a little awkward to play around if your opponent plays it, but I'm not like, absolutely pissed off. If that makes sense. But I also feel like it crushes what my opponents are playing. So maybe they are pissed off and I'm just, uh, not playing decks that are crushed by super giant, but like, uh, I don't know, some destroy decks. Maybe they want to eat their DP and they can't, they can't gobble'em up, so that's kind of good. Or if they're playing discard, maybe it kind of messes'em up somehow a little bit. Um, if you're playing a end of turn, this was so good during end of turn stuff. Fantastic during end of turn'cause you would just not let them play their end of turn things'cause it was end of game. Um, but yeah, I like super giant good card that I feel like, um, maybe more people should run. I hate stardust though. He can suck my Sorry, that was passionate.

Alex: 1:03:57

That's uh, that's beautiful. So you don't like the stardust uh, coconut sucking stardust here. So one thing I'll say about super giant, if they ever change taskmaster back to a five cost. I'm all in super giant taskmaster. Turn six. You drop something chunk like your galacto first steps or something could be potentially cool, right? Um, we have some synergy like that.

Dekkster: 1:04:17

I forgot about the Yeah. The taskmaster, um, people to do Invisible Woman into, you, you do taskmaster under Invisible Woman and then you do like surey, you do something massive. I don't know. Yeah. Inau. Oh, I should bring that back.

Alex: 1:04:34

Maybe you should. I'd like to see that. You're definitely a good chef. And talking about the five costs that I think I wanna mention here just briefly, I gotta say it was cool to see Dark Hawk have a moment in the spotlight, in the meta and then, uh, people started playing the deck and the win rates and cube rates tanked. Like it was literally one of the top decks for a week. And then everyone started playing it, and then it just disappeared. Like it's cube, everything just like, yeah, just fell apart. But it was cool that Dark Hawk had like a, a flash moment of, uh, relevance.

Dekkster: 1:05:02

Yeah. I feel like I was seeing a lot of hawk at like TwitchCon, like that era Yes. Area. Yes. Yeah. But then after that it just disappeared.

Alex: 1:05:10

It did. It was like a flash in the.

Dekkster: 1:05:12

Yeah, but I really like, uh, yeah, I like this as well. Like I was playing a Domino Wicken sort of build, um, that was running Dark Hawk the only one drop. Well, I had Quicksilver, but also Corg, like that deck was popping off and I bet it's still good. But I think, I think like stuff like Destroy being so popular, it just goes way too tall and it's, it's maybe just phased out Dark Hawk a little bit. But I like this card. I'm happy to see big dark Hawks.

Alex: 1:05:39

That's right. And uh, who's your five cost?

Dekkster: 1:05:42

Um, so I put, I always, I'm always picking two, you know, but I put Gilgamesh as like my very specific, only good in like one build sort of thing. I think Zoo is fantastic right now. Aside from all the destroy being out there. Like if you smell destroy, maybe you just leave or maybe you run Ra. Um,'cause there's a lot of km Moners. But Gilgamesh is huge, dude. He's massive.

Alex: 1:06:07

Him. I made the argument, if you're playing zoo, you could play armor over Kaira. Snap on someone setting up a lane for like a, like a carnage play. Yeah. Do you know how heartbreaking that is?

Dekkster: 1:06:16

Yeah. You could do that. You could definitely do that. You could also play like thing instead of Gilgamesh, but I couldn't get a, like Gilgamesh solo carries a lane so hard. You put like Kat in some other small things in one lane, maybe an armor, you know, BM over there and then just slam gilga in a, in the sides. Huge.

Alex: 1:06:34

When you said BM over there, I immediately thought like, you know, you play the cards, you emote them a bunch, and then you play Gil. You meant Blue Marvel.

Dekkster: 1:06:42

I meant Blue Marvel. Yeah, I meant Blue Marvel. He's a fun card. Oh, the other card I put Legion a very flexible card. I feel like he can almost go in any deck. He's good man. He just, no one ever expects him for some reason. Your opponent plays, uh, you know, or puts a limbo out there or just it's randomly out there. Dude, that's four free cubes. Four. I feel like four. Feel He's often

Alex: 1:07:01

played in ahum. I don't see him elsewhere though. And it's probably a shame. Remember when he was a five eight? He was everywhere.

Dekkster: 1:07:07

Yeah. Yeah. He was so good. Yeah. I was actually playing like a ramp deck with this guy. It wasn't Aish, but yeah, it was like a, it was kinda like a, a war machine storm deck. Uh, I think it was made by zombies. Go no nom. And it was cool popping off legion's. Good man. People forget about'em.

Alex: 1:07:27

Alright, let's go to the six drops. My favorite six drop of the month is not a six drop. Oh, it's death.'cause I'm Moira. This is, this is just moer love here. Yeah. That's what this is. So I was gonna say, this is my

Dekkster: 1:07:37

favorite eight drop.

Alex: 1:07:39

Hell yeah. We can agree. And this was the famous step on me mommy card. That, uh, I got really confused with Nina said, this is a step on me mommy variant. And I did not understand what that meant. I do now. I've been educated by the fine people of the internet, but uh, yeah, this is.

Dekkster: 1:07:58

I do understand what that means. I didn't watch the, the pod. I'm so sorry. I didn't watch it. I wasn't one of your views, but, uh, I get, I understand where it's coming from. It kind of reminds me of, uh, the, the final, is it? No, no. What the hell is that? The, the resident Evil village. Uh, you know that large woman?

Alex: 1:08:19

I'm unfamiliar with the resident Evil village,

Dekkster: 1:08:22

that large woman that a lot of people wanted her to step on them.

Alex: 1:08:28

Okay. I'll have to look into this. I just Google large woman stepping on me and that should get me to that. Um,

Dekkster: 1:08:37

no, maybe, maybe, uh, re also put resin evil in there. Otherwise you're gonna get some different images.

Alex: 1:08:46

I understood. I'll, we'll try both. I'll see what the results are. You gotta tell me a six drop or, or higher that you like.

Dekkster: 1:08:52

Okay. My favorite eight drop is death, which is also the only eight drop. It was kind of a joke. You didn't think it was very funny, but whatever. My favorite seven drop, there's actually three options for a seven drop. I put chem,

Alex: 1:09:05

which this is one of the worst variants in the game, I think, by the way. Like, what the hell's even going on?

Dekkster: 1:09:09

Really? I feel like that's what you were trying to do to me at TwitchCon. Just would just crush you with

Alex: 1:09:14

my thumb.

Dekkster: 1:09:15

Yeah. You're trying to crush me.

Alex: 1:09:17

No, see the light? You, you are my shining light. That's what this is. You think this sucks? I think this is great. Really?

Dekkster: 1:09:25

Yeah. Okay. Wait, what? He's like, it's a thumbs down, right? He's like thumbs down in a poem. Yeah. Like this isn't, you don't like that?

Alex: 1:09:36

I don't know. I just, it just, I, I think it's just weird. It doesn't make much sense, you know?

Dekkster: 1:09:41

He's massive. He's trying to thumbs down and someone's stopping him. Action. Who is this? I thought that was you.

Alex: 1:09:48

That's me in the middle. Like that's, that's actually physically me. This is the artist drew me.

Dekkster: 1:09:52

Yeah, they're a Snapchat fan.

Alex: 1:09:55

Oh, fair enough. Okay.

Dekkster: 1:09:56

You're like saving the universe.

Alex: 1:09:58

I'm try, I try every video I try. And so far, I mean, so far we're still here. So yeah I'm been successful thus far.

Dekkster: 1:10:05

Wait before you move on and try and kick me off the show, um, my actual favorite six drop. This is maybe a hot take. Galactus, old New Steps. Last steps. That

Alex: 1:10:17

one. Did we just become best friends? I love Galactus. What are we talking about here? Man, I play, I always end up playing Galactus in some of my videos, even when it makes no sense. And then my highlights are supposed to be about like zombie captain, the Marvel, but it's just me making people kneel for 20 minutes.

Dekkster: 1:10:32

I love that this card is so fun. I feel like no one expects'em for some reason. No. Um, and also there's like that big bads deck. You know that one from the past, um, that was running, like, it runs like, Ultron, Killmonger, destroyer, Knull Death, Galactus. That one's actually good still. Um, it got changed when Kale came out. I think you dropped, I forget which card you dropped, but you dropped the card for kale and it's literally like the exact same deck. Dude, I went so cute positive with this like a month ago. I, I gotta bring it back out. I love, uh, the big boys. Wait big bats. The big, the evil. Evil, the Galactus, that evil gentleman. Yeah. But there's also like deaths in there. And then my, my other six drop,'cause I'm picking two, I'm breaking the rules. Uh, hulking.

Alex: 1:11:20

Hulking is actually seeing like onic plate, which is kind of wild. I still only have like the base variant

Dekkster: 1:11:25

and I think for the same reason you love. Moira, I guess where you get like a, you know, you're getting a death in your hand, like just getting some good text on this bad boy. Uh, that's some cube equity right there. But also I feel like when I play this, it's often just like infinite and I'm like, why am I playing this card? But then like later it's like, blob and I'm like, that's why I'm playing this card,

Alex: 1:11:48

yeah. I hear ya. Alright. I, I can get behind that. Like, I'm not personally a fan of Emper hulking'cause I like more of the consistency. But if you're talking about like, if you want splice if Hulk Ling's a sp Spice of Life, then I'm here for it, then I'm definitely here for it. You,

Dekkster: 1:12:03

I was gonna say you want more of the consistency, but you're also playing Moira. That's like kinda random, right

Alex: 1:12:08

bro. But the only thing consistent about Moira is that she kicks ass. This is a phenomenal card.

Dekkster: 1:12:16

It's a good card. Yeah, I agree.

Alex: 1:12:18

Thank you. Thank you all. But there's a little randoms is embargo. Um, we need to talk about, I don't know why we skipped it. But we need to very briefly discuss the returning grand arena. We should just mention the new heroes and generally speaking, like what our expectations are for the zombie century. So, okay. I'm just rip it right now.'cause dude you extended the length of that, like your favorite thing by picking 45 cards by God. But, you know, it was, it was a fun conversation, but I'm just saying, um, I'm sorry. What the heck? No, don't my bad. Don't be sorry. No, I appreciate it.

Dekkster: 1:12:54

No, I ap I've wasted everyone's time. I think.

Alex: 1:12:57

No, you did not. You, you wait. No. Everyone is very interested in your takes about WASP versus Yellow jacket. We needed to have that conversation. I'm glad we've identified that WASP is a better card. It's one of those things that I think that 90% of people listening would not have like picked up on. It'd like you wasp per yellow jacket. Let's tie Grand Arena. Grand Arena is coming back. We've got some new champs, got some returning ones. Returning Champs. Gimme your thoughts on it. We got Carnage coming back. We got Herbie coming back. We got Mr. Fanta coming back and Moleman of all cards coming back. What's your take on carnage, Herbie, Mr. Fanta and Moleman coming back?

Dekkster: 1:13:34

Are they touched? Did they change him at all?

Alex: 1:13:39

I don't believe so. I mean, the decks would probably be different. I don't think we have deck lists though,

Dekkster: 1:13:43

because I remember Herbie being cracked and I remember Moleman being awkward and bad. Yes. So I don't know. I don't know if that information's out there. I. I know the answers, so I'm, I'm I dunno what to say.

Alex: 1:13:57

Wait, do you know stuff? I don't.

Dekkster: 1:14:00

Maybe.

Alex: 1:14:01

Okay. So the decks are clearly different then, you know, stuff. Wait, wait, hold on. Now you got me all. No.'cause I don't

Dekkster: 1:14:08

remember, I don't remember what they were before. I didn't like compare them. Okay.

Alex: 1:14:13

I could You tell he was cracked? Herbie was absolutely cracked. Carnage was like the second vest thing. Carnage was really good. Oh,

Dekkster: 1:14:20

I loved Carnage. I thought he was a lot of fun because he added consistency to being able to to Oh yeah. Right up your voice. Fantastic. Was

Alex: 1:14:25

mid and Mo man was trash.

Dekkster: 1:14:28

Yeah. I remember Mr. Fantastic. Being kind of fun, but yeah, a little bit mid, I guess he was kinda like surge, right? For your Yeah. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I'm, I'm happy to see them return. I wish there were eight new ones instead. Yeah, me too. But I get it. I get it. It's kind of cool. Maybe they could have made a. More slots, but maybe the, the balance becomes a little bit awkward though. I,

Alex: 1:14:49

I need you though. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was ready to talk about the new champions, but if you would like to interrupt me and continue speaking, I would

Dekkster: 1:14:56

love to interrupt you. I was gonna say that you, uh, you have to, you have to lean on these because I, I know more and I don't know what's public in information. Okay.

Alex: 1:15:04

This is, this is, I don't even know how you know more I'm supposed to know, like usually I know why other people know stuff that I don't know, but in this case, I'm actually flabbergasted here. Um, but in the interest of both of us, not accidentally breaking NDAs, we're going to go with the new champions. We're going with Magneto. Magneto does exactly what Magneto does. His skill's gonna be master of magnetism, which is gonna have an, the cost for some reason I don't have written down. I think I deleted it by accident. It's gonna cost something and its effect's gonna be on Reveal. Move all Enemy three and four cost cards to this location if either side is full, double your champion's power. So Magento turns into a much larger Magento once he moves stuff over. That sounds pretty cool.

Dekkster: 1:15:44

And in theory, this will also happen if he's in your hand, right?

Alex: 1:15:48

Oh, hell yeah. Okay. That's cool. You sound like you might have some experience with this.

Dekkster: 1:15:52

That's what, no, I'm just reading the text on the, the card. Oh,

Alex: 1:15:55

now you're reading text. Before we talk about how you don't read the text. Now you're reading text.

Dekkster: 1:15:59

Yeah. This was exciting. So I like, I think, I think that's pretty good, but also a little bit awkward. I don't know. I, I feel like he's not gonna be that strong, but I'm excited. I'm, I'm like, I'm really excited for, uh, pre-built, pre-built I think are just so fun. So

Alex: 1:16:17

I really, I was really hoping they would announce that. Like pre-built, go against pre-built customs. Go against customs. They didn't say that. And I'm like, bro, I gave you guys one piece of feedback. You don't listen to anything I'm saying? No. Pre-built versus pre-built. Come on, let's do it. And then if you want during the week, make some adjustments to that. I don't care. Pre-built versus pre-built. Because we're gonna MinMax it. We're gonna ruin it. It ain't fun. Or let's be gamers. Let's get the dubs.

Dekkster: 1:16:42

Yeah. What if they did something like a few days, first few days it was only pre-build and then like the last couple days you could go wild, you could go custom or something. Like maybe that'd be okay, but I don't know. Yeah. That's my main kind of issue. But we'll see what happens. Maybe this time it'll be So Thor Okay. Is also

Alex: 1:16:59

gonna be added. I just like, I thought you were done speaking. You were still speaking. Sorry. It's not, talk over

Dekkster: 1:17:04

me. I'm, I'm used to it. Got something

Alex: 1:17:08

Shuffle Mule into your deck. That's what Thor usually does. But his skill is thundering hammer, um, which is a two cost. And it says on reveal, shuffle mul into your deck, draw a card. So you get two mule nerve, you're just getting another mule nerve, you're pulling it outta your behind and just throwing it back into your deck. Is that good? That's what it sounds like.

Dekkster: 1:17:25

I mean, getting two mule ERs, that's probably pretty good, right? Makes a big, do you just stagger

Alex: 1:17:30

Mule?

Dekkster: 1:17:31

You just get, you get two, but you gotta make sure you draw, I mean, you're increasing the size of your deck, but you're also drawing a card. These also, you gotta keep in mind these start in your opening hand, right?

Alex: 1:17:40

Yeah, of course. How much does it cost you? Just gotta make sure you get that lady Jean. It was a, it was a two cost card,

Dekkster: 1:17:46

cost two to draw a card and shuffle Ulner.

Alex: 1:17:49

Keep in mind you can do that on turn one'cause in uh, grand Arena you have one extra energy, which by the way I'm gonna say is way cooler than people talk about. Like having one extra energy in Grand Arena makes the game play totally different. It's so much more interesting in my opinion. That's just my take though. Yeah. Could play It's kind an unappreciated element.

Dekkster: 1:18:05

You could play glac the without having to have an extra energy.

Alex: 1:18:08

Hell yeah, there it is. Boom. Easy

Dekkster: 1:18:10

boom. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Having two energy on one does change skill law. You just always play the skill on turn one'cause it costs two. So maybe you don't need any actual two drops. That's pretty good. Yeah, I mean it's kind of drawing a card but not'cause it's putting a card on your deck. But yeah, I think it'll be solid. We

Alex: 1:18:28

also have the Hulk's gonna be a champion. Champion Hulk. Same thing. He's a six 12, but his skill is Hulk Smash. Probably could have guessed that it's gonna cost three on reveals that the cost of your Hulks to four in deck or in hand. And it's also noted that Hulks refer to the Hulk Red Hulk. She Hulk hulking and Bruce Banners transformed Hulk, which I'm assuming you have now Beasted into your hand. But anyways, those are the cards that are considered Hulks. It said hulking. No scar. No scar by the way. Yeah. Hulking iss here, man. Hulking ISS listed. No scar though. Scar's kind of like his son, but I guess he gets scammed. But hulking is there. Yeah, I thought Scar was definitely a Hulk. I was told that Hulk, he's hulking was not a

Dekkster: 1:19:11

Hulk really? He was a scroll or something. Am I, maybe I'm being lied to, but I swear someone said that that would make

Alex: 1:19:20

sense as to why he's able to mimic so many people's powers.

Dekkster: 1:19:23

Yeah. Maybe he's also like a, wait, I feel

Alex: 1:19:27

like I read the lure about emperor hulking.

Dekkster: 1:19:29

Yeah. I don't know, but I guess he says Hulk in his name, so it counts. But if he put caps, shield is a bit sexist and doesn't apply to Captain Carter, so it's true. I dunno.

Alex: 1:19:39

Scammed, hard. Scammed. Yeah. Yeah.

Dekkster: 1:19:42

So we'll, uh, we'll have to see some of that I guess. But if it's hitting hulking, I think that's, that's huge. That's a big deal. If it's not hitting scar, though.

Alex: 1:19:49

Not hitting scar, which I think is a massive scam,

Dekkster: 1:19:52

that's, yeah, that's, that would definitely change how good the deck is. Okay. You're trying to rush through these bad boys. Okay,

Alex: 1:19:58

well it's just, I'm trying to respect your time, sir. Because we have the ghost spider, A one three who does the same thing she's already done, but her skill is arachni. I can't, I was gonna say this is, it's arachni acrobatics that's not as hard as I made it out to be. Cost four on reveal, your champion gets plus two power for each time you've moved a card this game. So it's basically just ghost spider sipping brew skis with uh, with a hydro stomper.

Dekkster: 1:20:27

Yeah. But hydro stompers is plus one. This is plus two. That's huge. Yeah. Plus two. But you're paying four for it though.

Alex: 1:20:32

It costs

Dekkster: 1:20:33

cost four. So you're kind of, it's kind of a five drop maybe, but you also play it on top of a, a silk get another move in there maybe. Yeah. I don't, I think this is, uh, this is gonna be the best, one of the new ones.

Alex: 1:20:47

See now that you're saying this, I'm like, he's either, this is pure bait because he's like, it's the best, it's gonna be the worst. And he knows it's gonna be the worst. And this is his like plausible deniability play. Or he actually just revealed some insider info and this deck is actually gonna be cracked. I can't tell which one it's one or the others. Nothing in the middle.

Dekkster: 1:21:03

No, I think it's just that, um, move is really good already as it is. Good. And like hydro stomper, you can get plus 10 on him. Easy. That means this is plus 20. That's huge.

Alex: 1:21:15

It makes sense that in grand Arena where like the stakes are slightly more, you know, pliable, they would make a good move deck because I feel like move suffers from people just not wanting to give it a shot. Like I think that the casual players like Brown not playing that. Like, I just don't want to like, it's just not the way I wanna engage with the game. And if you can make move fun, maybe people will be like, you know what, this ain't as all that's scary. Like maybe I'll actually play, move on the ladder. You know what I mean? I think that's kind of cool.

Dekkster: 1:21:39

Yeah.

Alex: 1:21:39

We don't know

Dekkster: 1:21:40

what the prebus are.

Alex: 1:21:42

I do not have the deck list as of recording. No.

Dekkster: 1:21:45

Okay. Yeah. Me neither. I check for

Alex: 1:21:47

them too and I do not have them. Yeah. What I do know though, some little tidbits of information regarding to the new mode is that there will be a premium pass and the only exclusive reward is gonna be a champion variant for carnage. And that's gonna be the same as before. So 800 gold, which I think is actually pretty cool. Right. It's pretty cool. And then you also have the zombie century, which is gonna be available for all players, and that's gonna be in the free track. Ooh. So that's interesting as well. And they said that they expect the average free event pass player to earn enough glory to unlock zombie sent. So this isn't like a, they're saying it's not a situation where you played a discount, like you should be able to achieve this card for free, which is great. I I do appreciate that. Now, that if we're gonna have like a schedule of two limited time game modes per month, I'm glad they're tying achievable rewards to them.'cause for me, it makes the game more fun. I like the limited time game mores more than the latter at this.

Dekkster: 1:22:39

Yeah. No, I think, uh, the game wounds have been solid ever since we all kind of cried about'em

Alex: 1:22:43

that one time. Yeah. Just a lot of tears. Um, but they were justified. They were justifiable tears.

Dekkster: 1:22:48

Yeah. They were not in vain. They were totally worth it. We should keep crying.

Alex: 1:22:52

Just cry more. We need to cry more. It's true. Yeah. Everyone just let it home, man. Just let it out.

Dekkster: 1:22:58

It it was good. Yeah. I think things got better. I mean, kid Omega situation was bad. We lost, uh, a lot of people, but

Alex: 1:23:06

a lot

Dekkster: 1:23:06

of good news. Look at us now.

Alex: 1:23:08

Yeah, look at us now. But, uh, you know what, dude, I gotta say, I appreciate you so much for coming on this week's podcast. The conversations with you are always amongst the most fun I have. And, uh, I have to say, first of all, you've been making some banger content that, uh, that video did with Regis. That was awesome. Oh yeah. You liked that one. Yeah, I um, I do, I do like that one. I think everyone should like that one. In fact, I think everyone should be watching that video next on your channel right now. And when they're there, they should be hitting the subscribe button.'cause dude, you've been producing some banger YouTube content.

Dekkster: 1:23:36

Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, I didn't, uh, I didn't announce anything, but like, I'm trying to change my main channel to just like high effort stuff once a week. We'll see how that holds up. That's cool.

Alex: 1:23:46

I'm all for that. Let's go.

Dekkster: 1:23:48

Yeah. I might have a video with, with you later. Yeah. You only had the

Alex: 1:23:52

footage for like three weeks, but it's fine.

Dekkster: 1:23:55

Hey man, I got the flu. I was at TwitchCon. I had a Mexican Coke.

Alex: 1:24:01

It's true. There's a lot of variables here. A lot of it's high effort. You're putting the effort in

Dekkster: 1:24:05

and it's one a week, you know? So I already got, I got next week's already ready. I guess it'll go live. It'll be live by the time this's out. So yeah, go watch it. Please help me out.

Alex: 1:24:14

That's right. Help press the button. That's right. Oh, on that note. Seriously. If you like a con creator, hit the li. It's not just, it's not just YouTube or CR stuff. There was a video where I made, and like I said, something about hitting the like button. And a lot of people more than usual hit the like button and literally YouTube doubled the amount of impressions that gave that video just based on how many likes were on it. Like, I was like, whoa. I knew it made a difference. But like in the proof was in the pudding, as they say I was blown away at how much like the actual like metric and the ratio completely pushed the video into the stratosphere. Like it actually makes a huge difference. So if you like a creator, hit that like button.'cause it does, it's massive.

Dekkster: 1:24:52

It's free. It doesn't cost anything to press that button.

Alex: 1:24:55

There are not many things in life that are actually free. And hitting the like button is free. Yes. I think we're done. We're done.

Dekkster: 1:25:02

We're done. Okay. Well thank you for having me. It was fun. Is this gonna be my last one?'cause I said bad words. No, I

Alex: 1:25:08

would never dream of

Dekkster: 1:25:09

this

Alex: 1:25:09

being your last one.

Dekkster: 1:25:10

Oh, okay. All right, great. Well I'll see you in, but yes, you're fired. Oh, okay. Alright. It was fun while it last.

Alex: 1:25:18

I love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us and we will see D what's the thing they do? Dexter will return. Oh, do you know? Because what they, what do do on the Marvel movies, Dexter will return in like, you know, maybe in the Avengers in endgame.

Dekkster: 1:25:31

Yeah, I think. I think that's what they do. I've never seen a movie before in my life.

Alex: 1:25:35

You've never seen a movie before? Okay, this is great. Alright. Dex Dexter will return as will we next week and we'll see you on that next one.