Undead Horde Season Preview | Cozy Returns & The September Season Recap | The Snap Chat Ep. 152

How did the cards from the September season ultimately stack up? What is the brand new "Horde" mechanic and how does it work? Which of the new Zombie cards will dominate the meta? After a month away, where has Cozy been? And most importantly... what in the world does "step on me mommy" mean?

Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

You’ve been listening to The Snap Chat. Keep the conversation going on x.com/ACozyGamer and x.com/AlexanderCoccia. Until next time, happy snapping!

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome Back and Catching Up
• 0:57 Life Updates and Family Priorities
• 2:33 Marvel Snap Updates and Gameplay
• 10:27 Nostalgia and Comfort Shows
• 25:45 Gaming Nostalgia and Personal Favorites
• 29:08 Nineties Show Tier List
• 30:45 Nostalgic Cartoon Discussions
• 31:07 Animated Series Rankings
• 34:14 Video Game Adaptations
• 35:03 Card Game Strategies
• 42:19 New Season Card Reviews
• 1:01:29 Card Review: Initial Impressions
• 1:01:46 Card Mechanics and Strategy
• 1:04:17 Zombie Galati: New Mechanics
• 1:05:16 Theory Crafting with Zombie Galactus
• 1:11:37 Zombie Power Man and Giant Man
• 1:16:29 Zombie Sentry and The Hunger
• 1:20:52 October Card Rankings
• 1:27:20 Snap Chat Mailbag: Step On Me Mommy
• 1:30:35 Closing Remarks and Farewell

Transcript

Cozy: 0:00

What's going on guys? And finally, welcome back. It's good to be back as we enter an October Snapchat, uh, nearly a month later for myself, Alex, and, uh, a it's, it's amazing to be back together. We talked pretty much for the first time, like where we usually talk nearly every day for like a month catch up. Just was it yesterday or two days ago? And so now this is our first like, proper time together in over a month.

Alex: 0:24

I know, and it's funny'cause like, uh, even just before the Snapchat we're like, let's save the catch up for the Snapchat too, right? Like, we wanted to kind of save like the, uh, all the discussions about like what's been going on in your life as well. But yeah, dude, it's been crazy. Cozy fell in an actual real black hole and it's called life.

Cozy: 0:39

Ah, dude. In every which way. Listen, I like to think of us as the Infinity Stones, right? Like separate. We're still powerful. We can still do things, you know, that you carrying the torch of the chat, it's going amazing. It'll be a d but together man, that's, it's, it's inevitable, number one, but it's also unstoppable. That's how I like to think about it. But yes man, it has been. It's been crazy. It's been a good, oh guys, it's been so, it's been so wild. I would say for the f like when my first son was born, Snap came out. That was its own thing. And figuring out your first kid is a whole nother aspect of, of life. And then your second, it's like, it feels like you like prestige, you know, like in like an old video. It is like you go back through it, but it's like harder. And so I, it, it's brought its own challenges and really for the first time, I would say truly my first like, true disconnect from being a, in, in content creation for the most part of all kind. I mean, I can't reme, I mean it's been over six, seven years, Alex, since I've posted the amount I've po I mean I, on my rivals channel outside of just seasoned like easy reaction stuff. It's like six videos since July. Something on this side, it's the Snapchat, it's cra it feels so weird. And the only thing keeping me alive is casting. And so it has been, it's been fun, but really good man to just disconnect and go through. What is the, the second, time of being a new dad

Alex: 1:57

and you know, what you, um, those are important moments that you have to cherish. You have to actually be present for as well. Um, so I'm, I'm proud that you prioritized your family because that is the most important thing.'cause uh, at the end of the day, we're always here for you to come back, continue to Snapchat, continue this legacy we've built together. But, uh, your, your family needs you right now, buddy. And, uh, I, you made the right choice. And I'm just, I'm just happy to have a chance to catch up with you today.

Cozy: 2:20

Dude, I, I don't know, I forgot the movie, but when the guy like shows his tattoo and he's like, this is your home. I, this is my home. But just what a, what a legend. Uh, holding down, uh, the four, having the guests on. It's been cool, man. You like. You're like Jimmy Fallon over here. But, uh, on, on the Snapchat with, with, uh, with guests and having it come together and man, today's episode is gonna be wild for a lot of reasons. Us just catching up, going through, uh, catching up on life, catching up on September season, October. I know nothing. I mean, we gave our star ratings in September. I don't even know the cars through this month, the hoard mechanics. So I'm excited to like, go and walk through it as the viewer would on their first kind of approach of hearing it. And, and that's gonna be just crazy to hear about some of the updates in the state of the game, uh, outside of last month. It just doesn't happen much where I'm, truly not able to grasp things that probably have changed massively. OTAs, no idea bro. Like, no idea. Truly excited to hear about it, man. But how have you been? How's everything going on your son?

Alex: 3:15

Oh, I've been good. I mean, it's been busy, you know, back to school, kids are starting school as well. I only have one kid in daycare now. Um, so it's like very hectic, like drop offs, pickups, all that type of stuff. I've joked about it on a couple different videos. Like my kids, they're, they're in all different sports and we, we try to have them, like, if they want to do two things, that's okay. We try to cut it off there because we're just ferrying kids around all day long. It's near impossible to do anything to the point. There's just like, there's sometimes weekends where like my dad has to take, you know, the boys to hockey while I take my daughter to a soccer tournament while my wife takes the, the little one to swimming lessons. And it's like crazy that we have to, you know, go different spots and everything like that. But, uh, it's, it's worth it. Like the family time is so much worth it. And, uh, I've been, uh, I've been kind of doing things a little differently in Snap. I've been trying to play more for pure enjoyment because I think that a lot of people are at the point where like, yeah, you can get the infinite, you can do all that stuff, but. Are you having fun? That's what keeps you in the game. And so that's what I've been focusing on. And thankfully we've had some, uh, some good kind of, uh, you know, new limited time game modes come back. They completely redid Deadpool's Diner. It was a breath of fresh air. And those types of things have kept me engaged so far outside of what, like a regular grind on the ladder, would, you know what I mean? So I'm starting to find like small ways to continue loving Marvel Snap that doesn't just incorporate me grinding the ladder and stuff. And, uh, they're doing a good job with the game modes and I hope that continues this month as well with, uh, grand Arena coming back, which I'm super excited for. And I did like Sanctum Showdown because it gave a chance for like the guardians to have an impact and stuff. So yeah, I'm, I'm liking where Snap is right now, and I'm having fun with it and yeah, I don't know what else to say other than, uh, I just hope they continue on this path of like, engaging players in a rewarding way.

Cozy: 4:54

How has been the, how has been the re uh, not the reaction to it, but how, how has, like the community been with it in general? Has there been anything any, what? Anything major, I guess to announce over the last. Three, four weeks. My kid's now. Yeah. Like two weeks, three and a half weeks. Uh, somewhere in there, three weeks. So, uh, it's, so there's a couple

Alex: 5:11

things. Yeah. I think the big thing was the Deadpool's Diner was incredibly generous.

Cozy: 5:15

Yeah. Um, was, I did see that. A lot of tweets on that.

Alex: 5:17

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was awesome. I'm glad they did that. Complete polar opposite to what was you know, the kid Omega situation to the point where it seemed like some intern literally did bad math. There's no way this was on purpose. Like, it, it made no sense to be giving away borders the way they did. But if you were active in Marvel Snap and playing, then you, you deserve the reward there because, uh, there's nothing more awesome than decking out your favorite deck with literally a set of 12 borders that you got for free. Right. So that's fantastic. Other than that, they are making some changes. They did do the super premium season pass that was relatively controversial, I would say, but now it at least releases into tokens availability right away. So if you do spend the extra$10 in the season pass, you get a variant and then of course you unlock the base card as well. Yeah, so I mean, they've been, they've been making some steady progress towards like, trying to make the game modes better too. I'm hoping to see, you know, grand Arena, which I already thought was awesome. I'm hoping to see like that's what that second iteration looks like and how it can improve on it. And again, even with Sanctum Showdown, I'm hoping that they've made some improvements as well. But yeah, generally speaking, uh, it's been relatively quiet from the controversy front from Snap, unless I'm forgetting something in the comments, let us know. I'm definitely forgetting something. I feel like there's something I'm forgetting, but, uh, generally speaking, yeah, I've been having fun. Uh, the big news pulse around Deadpool's Diner was positive, which is a nice breath of fresh air, to be honest with you.

Cozy: 6:32

Well, dude, uh, to, before we jump into the full Cozy ketchup of September, couple things. First of all about being being a new dad, I only get to have, I plan only having two. So this is, I, I'm, I'm done. I'm not gonna pull what, uh, someone like to say the Alex coach. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm not gonna go at, you know, 17 kids. I, I, Joel, line two and, uh, feel good about it, but. Dude, I just, you know how it's like, you know, when you see like, I don't know, it's like someone from college and they stayed up so late for their midterms and it's like, life's really hard. I stayed up, I got no slave. And you, you just kinda look at'em and you're like, my, my sweet summer puppy. Like, you just, just hold onto it. And not to say that I, I, I'm a big person behind, like, no matter what phase of life you're going in right now, it's hard for you. That doesn't change, right? It could be hard for you as a person if you're in college listening to this, but as you get older, that is the thing that comes, right? It's like, oh wow. Perspective is everything, especially you find out what you're capable of. That's really what it comes down to. You find out what you're capable of or what you're not capable of. And I always just, you know, I'm stopping at you, but I, I can still continue to form more and more respect for how many you've had. And I know it's like, y you know, your, your, your wife helps. I get that. But brother. Like I'm I've stitched together like two and a half hours of sleep last night, and it's not even two and a half hours straight. It's two and a half hours, like over the course of the night. And like, I'm a functioning adult. I for sure should not operate a vehicle right now. Like, there's no question about that. I could probably drive better in college after like 20 deep, but it's, dude, I'm like the, today I was like talking to my wife about where my my, my keys were. My car man. I was like, I swore I put them in. We were talking, we were both talking to each other, looking at each other. 10 minutes Alex talking where, where I'm holding the keys. It took me four, like four minutes to realize I'm holding the keys and I need help, Alex. I need help. That is how the, how. How do you do it? Because I, I'm like,

Alex: 8:21

two weeks in I'm dying. Yeah. I gotta say, like, you, you sent me a picture with the family who was absolutely beautiful and my wife was looking at it with me and she's like, oh, I want another one. I'm like, Cozy. That's what it does,

Cozy: 8:31

dude. Dude, that's why I'm gonna go, uh, snip Snap, snip Snap and uh, you know, just, uh, but it's reversible, so I guess, oh, damnit. I, I don't know.

Alex: 8:42

I, I think my wife's done too though. When you said that, I don't want to make a joke of this, but honestly the way you said that reminded me of Michael Scott. Do you know what it's like? Have, that's what it was. Cool. Hysterectomy. Reversed back and forth. Snip Snap. Snip Snap. Yeah. D what? Four.

Cozy: 8:55

Sucked to bass up on a man.

Alex: 8:56

Yeah. Look at what you, look at What, what was the line? Look at what you maybe do to this plasma TV or dude pop or what was it? I don't remember. That's one of the best scenes

Cozy: 9:03

pops right on the wall, dude. I know. I like, I remember watching the blueberries on that and he couldn't. He like, they could not keep their crap together like they were trying so hard to not laugh over and over. Man, that's a show that can never, I don't think it could ever air again because of just the, a lot of what it was based around, I guess is not appropriate today. Right. But it was such a goaded show that I feel like it will ne will never have something like it. You know what I mean? I felt like it was so big. You could be at like the water cooler with someone you had no idea what to talk about and you're like, damn, I guess I'll bring up the office.'cause it's like people knew no matter who you were. I'd like, I don't know if we'll get a show like that again.

Alex: 9:42

When I was on the flight to PAC Seattle, I was watching the Office like on my phone because it was like, it was like one of those things where like they had wifi in the plane to like access their movie network or whatever. So I was watching the office and I was watching the episode where, um, it was like the, uh, the day where Michael gets in trouble and he has to do like the cultural training. It's like one of the first episodes, like the second one or whatever, and everyone puts those, the hats on with different cultures. Right. I was laughing so hard. I could barely breathe and I was trying not to like annoy the people beside me'cause they were like not having it. And I was holding a cup of cranberry juice and I spilt it like all over my cocoa sha nuts and pants. Oh, that's, I was all over the place spill. I was like, I couldn't eat. I ruined my pants because I was laughing so hard. I was like shaking my arms.

Cozy: 10:26

Oh, it's so good. It's, it is like, what would be your ne what would be another go to show like that that could even compare in your eyes that's like, of that kind of comfort television? Uh, dragon Ball Z. Yeah. I, I, I. There's like actions and stuff that I could put there, but I'm trying to, like, for me, I feel like obviously comfort television's nostalgic first of all. So I guess that doesn't answer that question. But e even comedy wise, I could you even pull anything together?

Alex: 10:51

You know what? Honestly, obviously you would not sit down and just like binge watch Dragon Ball's, Z's like 276 episodes I think it is. Um, if I had to pick something like right now to watch, I would say it's like the OG Pokemons, like I actually still like get like teary eyed, like with the butter free stuff. Like bye bye butter free and stuff like that. Like, I don't know what it is. Like the OG Pokemon, I actually like it better than the newer stuff they've made. Even though like, listen, I understand the newer stuff. It looks good and it's like the voice acting's still phenomenal. But there's something beautiful about that little box with the black bars on the side on modern TVs. I just love your OG Pokemon series It, and then my kids watch

Cozy: 11:27

it with me too. It's beautiful. Well that's, yeah, that's the big ticket. Like my son's still three, right? So I haven't like dipped into new. Yeah, like some of the old stuff still'cause he hasn't grabbed his head around it. But yeah, I, man, I don't know. I don't think, like for me, like, uh, you've seen how I met your mother? Yeah. Have you watched that? Oh man. No, I haven't. So it just, it's one of those shows that I, I don't know if it'll ever hold up to what it was when it came out. Right. So like, when it came out, it was just so good. It was like my number one recommended comedy. Went back, watched it, it's good laugh tracks age poorly to begin with, but in general it was so well done. But it's like going back and watching friends. If you miss friends when it was out it, it's, it's ass, I mean, it's just not a good show, but if you watch friends, it's like a great comfort TV to go back to. So I that's what I think we got really odd off off, off the, the, the beaten path here a little bit. I don't even know how the hell do we even, oh, vasectomies. That's how we, that's, that's we started, yes. Yeah. We talked about vasectomies. But yeah, man it's been a, it's been a fun era. It's been a very challenging era in a great way. And you know, a lot of my job has been just making sure my, my, my first son is loved so hard right now during dude,'cause like, it's cra you have kids, it's like, you know, it is, it is an extreme, but it's like having, you just like, bring home a new wife. You're like, Hey wife, hey, this is the new wife. I didn't ask you permission. It's gonna be here forever. And, uh, I'm gonna give a lot of my attention to it for a lot a while. And you have no shit. You have no say, right? Like, that's what's going on through your young kids' minds. And, and so it's like a weird thing of comfort. Uh, and so, yeah, man, the last thing on my mind has been video gaming and really consecration as a whole, it has just not been big. I'm contracted to do casting and stuff, so I've been doing that, uh, which is a blast. I love casting. Uh, it's like my favorite thing to do now. But you know, we've got the finals coming up for rivals over in Georgia. Uh, dream Hack. I've not been to Dream Hack before. Have you?

Alex: 13:12

I've never been to Dream Hack, but like, it's, it was really big. And like when I was doing Doda content and stuff like that. Yeah, that's like legit competition. Like Dream Hack is a fantastic, uh, series for sure. And Georgia is, that's like, uh, that's like down south, right? Yeah. Is is Georgia Peach Deep Peach, like where

Cozy: 13:26

you were

Alex: 13:27

at

Cozy: 13:27

Little

Alex: 13:27

north of Florida. I think I stayed in Georgia. At one point, there's a, I, I'm trying to remember the name of the city. Atlanta, Savannah. I stayed in Savannah.

Cozy: 13:35

Savannah. What were you doing in Savannah?

Alex: 13:37

Well, I think we, this was years ago. We drove down, uh, to Savannah, Georgia and stayed there the night before. Eventually going to Disney, we drove to Disney. This is gotta be like eight years ago now. Seven years ago maybe.

Cozy: 13:48

Really? Because you flew to Disney last time when you were a Snap guy?

Alex: 13:51

Yeah, my daughter was just a baby. She was, I think she was like three maybe. My wife was pregnant with our second and we, uh, we drove down to Florida. We figured we'd save some cash, get the Kia Sorento some kilometers on it. It was fun. We, I remember we stopped at like Pittsburgh, which was cool. Just like I remember we stopped,'cause we tried to stop every once in a while where there was like a park that our daughter could play at, and we stopped at this beautiful park in Pittsburgh. I'd have to look it up on like my history on maps or whatever they had like. Dude, you guys do sports. So good there. Like this park we pulled up, it was like a complex, it was like seven baseball diamonds, four soccer fields, like three football fields. There was climbing gyms everywhere. The climbing gym was like four stories high. I was like, what is going on here? Man? You guys know how to play hard

Cozy: 14:36

over at, at Pittsburgh, man? Uh, I, I don't know Damn thing about Pittsburgh, I'll be honest. I know like, uh, the Steelers and that that's it. That's like, that's it. Not even the penguins. Uh, yeah. A little bit. A little bit. Of course I know the Penguins, by the way, you're a Bills fan, right?

Alex: 14:50

No, I, okay, so I'm a Bills fan by association. All my friends are Bills fans and like, I like the watching the Bills play. Traditionally when I was growing up, I was always a Miami Dolphins fan because of Ace Ventura.

Cozy: 15:02

That's right. We've had this discussion. Oh, pats is all I'm gonna say to those that know. Alright, let's, let's go, let's, let's get to where we're trying to get to, right? Let's steer the ship away from vasectomies and onto uh, Marvel Snap and the season of. The hoard snip Snap man. Okay, so let's start. I guess the best way to start here, and this graphic might be up there, is one of my favorite seasonal ones. We've got Viv Vision and you'll have to tell me what we rated these. Man. I control alt, deleted, made space for Ram. All my memories from last month. I got nothing left. I could not tell you what I did yesterday, but I wanna know how these guys ended up. And then we're gonna talk about, uh, what is I have not, for the first time ever looked at the cards coming out. They'll be popping up on screen for the very first time. Hand to God. So I'm excited to look at what that is, uh, and get my, my fresh ratings. But for this season, Alex Vi Vision season pass card, how did it fare out?

Alex: 15:51

So first of all, I gotta, we gotta clarify a little bit here.'cause the way you phrased all this, people are like, man, Cozy is confused as hell. What Cozy wants to do here is go back through last season's cards to talk about how they're performing and how they ended up doing. Because you said, well, let's talk about the horse season. That brought up Viv vision. So you said, maybe

Cozy: 16:07

I said that. I, dude, no, no clue. I was like, Hey Alex, I'm I, I said my soul needs it. I'm doing the Snapchat this week no matter what, but I should not be operating a vehicle or camera guys. So I, uh, you know, who knows what shall be said? Yeah. Okay. So first of all, we both came in vi vision five. Well, yeah. I'm reading your face. No, I don't think it's a five. I think that's, dude, actually I have no way of gauging how this is, uh, like zero. I would just have to be like, no, I don't think it's how I thought it was gonna be. Uh, definitely. Okay. So it's way under that. What is it?

Alex: 16:37

They ended of up buffing it to a three, three, if that answers your question.

Cozy: 16:39

Oh. Immediately.

Alex: 16:42

Uh, not immediately but before the season ended.'cause you know, that's how you sell more season passes. But yeah, so they, uh, they bumped it to a three three. It was underperforming. It was hovering like, like a mid 50, like not mid 50, like 50% win rate, 51% win rate according to on tap based statistics. It's definitely a better card at three three. It's perhaps not as meta impactful as people would've expected. But it's not a bad card. It just didn't land quite as well as was expected.

Cozy: 17:09

Okay. And it just did it not have like a good like jack of all trades feel? It did. Yeah, it did. Okay. But

Alex: 17:16

it just as the season went on, master of none, just other things. Yeah. Other things kind of just, uh, excelled past it.

Cozy: 17:22

Can you answer me this? You know, I feel like for so long Snap we had where like the new cards were like, were fun to play with and new and oftentimes like could be meta, but do you feel like right now in the state of it, like the new cards are always gonna be in that meta. For the most part and you need to get them, you know, are older decks phasing out a lot faster.

Alex: 17:41

I don't wanna speak on behalf of the design team, but so we can almost hint at like what our conversation around the hoard's gonna be. I think that they're going to be intentionally designing seasons where you definitely want to be involved. Like for instance, and when we talk about the Horde and Scarlet Spider First Steps, who's, uh, not Scarlet Spider, Scarlet Witch First Steps, oh my gosh, I'm saying the wrong thing. Scarlet Spider Horde version, zombie Scarlet Spider, whatever she's called. Didn't even know a lot of tries to say that. She's gonna be like a Cornerstone card. And the entire season is themed in such a way that it feels like you almost have to invest in the entire thing to get the entire picture. Um, and so missing any individual card might feel difficult. And so that's something that, uh, you know, we might be experiencing moving forward if, if the hoard seasons any, uh, indication of that. In this particular season though, the cards were much more, um. Neutral, I would say much more neutral. And they stood on their own merits for the most part. And they tried to attack specific archetypes in a way for instance, Sparky, which was the super premium season pass card, was very specifically a move card. It was not played anywhere else. It was successful in Move. It didn't completely shake up the meta, but it was a good addition to those types of decks ultimately. And that's kind of exactly where we kind of, uh, evaluated it. Uh, we came in at, uh, about four, three and a half, which is exactly where I think, uh, he ultimately landed. But like this season with the Hoard it's way different because the cards are so synergistic much closer to the first step season where all the cards seemed like they had a role to play with each other. Remember how we were saying with the first step season, we won't really know how powerful Fantastic Car is until Invisible Woman First Steps comes out? Yeah, for sure. I feel like the horse season's gonna be similar to that,

Cozy: 19:21

which that season saw lot of success though. So like I the fantastic one. So I'm sure that is a model they're gonna continue to repeat, right? I mean. To what I would imagine which I don't love, right? I kinda like the independence of each card being its own merit and then you can find its way in. But it's cool to have one, like I hope, like I've always liked when, like, separately they're great altogether, they're very good, but separately you can put them in different things and really make it work. So it'd be a bummer if they kind of strip away from that, but, okay. So Sparky was, was decent or was pretty good, uh, and fit in into move nicely once you, we said, what did, what did we give her?

Alex: 19:56

Uh, Moira X? Um, I don't have a rating number for you. I think it was one of the ones I forgot to like, force you to rate. I gave it a three and I think it, uh, how do you think it performed? Sorry. More x when this card's destroyed, get a copy of your opening hand

Cozy: 20:09

when it's destroyed. I feel like it's pretty, I feel like it's pretty good. Although I we're on a tangent. Okay. Sorry. I did see some, I don't know where I saw this and I was like I swear I was at the hospital. When did they nuke all of the. Tech cards. Like I, I thought I saw it, but then I was like, I don't even know if this is real because I saw like, Shung, she's dead. I'm like, what do you mean? And then I like read a Killmonger text. I'm like, the hell is this? What happened?

Alex: 20:37

Yeah. So they basically neutered a whole bunch of the most popular tech cards. Basically everything except for Mobius m Mobius they just nerfed everything but it like the man to bring it all back is difficult. Like they, they basically made a Red guardian, a three zero Shachi, only destroyed a single card and was a four two ENC Chara was a five eight, but that ended up staying'cause it was more like a buff. They moved Nick a Sonic to four five Killmonger only destroyed one drops in his lane. Um, oh, I hate that. I feel like I'm forgetting something. It was like, there was a lot, there was a bunch of changes and it was basically like they neutered all the tech cars to see what would happen and then kept some of the changes to get some like context. Is it still that way? Sanchi still remains only destroyed one card, but it got its power back. It's still a four three and Chra remained at a five eight and, uh, Negasonic remained nerfed at four five.

Cozy: 21:26

And is Kilmer still the same?'cause I hate that that was one Kilmer was

Alex: 21:28

reverted

Cozy: 21:29

back. Okay. Uh, that, that's like stripping his identity a bit. I, I, the other ones I think is cool to experiment with. It. Overall, was it fun? Was it just like a playground? Like, just, did it feel like a game mode? I mean, like, were, were high powered decks just dominating or. It felt like an

Alex: 21:44

imbalance patch, like those X-Men style IMB balance patches. And I'm honestly, I was for it because if second dinner wanted to get some stats around whether or not nuking tech cards made a difference to people's enjoyment of the game or specific win rates of specific decks, like they have a sample size of data now. Like, oh, does zoo become unstoppable if Killmonger's neutered, right, they have a data set they can kind of point to now. So that's a cool idea. If anything for that. I'm glad they did it.

Cozy: 22:08

I like that idea. I, I thought of it because when this is destroyed and then I was like, Killmonger, oh wait, so I was putting it together there. That's kind of how we got on that tangent. Sorry to have it unorganized a bit, but yeah, I see this being, um, pretty cool. I mean, did it, did it come down to the opening hand sometimes where you, like you were getting stuff that you just didn't need again, but most of the time in the decks that she's played in, it just worked out well.

Alex: 22:28

So it primarily was only played in like legit destroy, and it was actually, I'll be honest with you, Cozy, it's my favorite card of the season. Oh, nice. Okay. This is by far my favorite card by far. And I've never been traditionally a destroyed player. Like I, I like to experience with other things. Destroy is just not an archetype that I find myself drawn to often. This completely changed that this was such a high effort designed card. Its animations were fantastic. The way it plays is fantastic and it has a lot of Snap equity because if you copy deaths like you get multiple deaths, you get to play down alongside a null on turn six. Like it's kind of crazy what this card can do and it fits so naturally in what you're doing in Destroy. Anyways. Honestly, this is my favorite card of the season, not even close.

Cozy: 23:08

Nice. I remember talking about this card. I remember actually talking about death on that and how I thought it would be interesting in that whole like, old death zoo deck too, back in the day. Yeah. Interesting though. And, and how Killmonger going out, did that affect it at all and then it came back and it, or did it just not play around Killmonger that much? You just used the other stuff?

Alex: 23:25

It definitely disappeared when Killmonger was no longer relevant. Okay.

Cozy: 23:29

I never played

Alex: 23:29

it when Killmonger was nerfed.

Cozy: 23:31

So after, uh, I don't even know if we're going in exact order of when these cards came out, um, but after her next card, I do have on the list here, let me, let me pull it up. Alex. Actually you could just, here it is. Basian. How was, was this guy? Four, three. Honor, reveal. Add copies of your other cards here to your hand. Set their car. Yeah. How was it in Cerebro? How was it in general?

Alex: 23:53

He was fun in Cerebro. He didn't quite do as much as I was expecting to be honest with you. Um, on this particular card, you and I came in at, uh, so I came in at three, came in at four. I think it was probably at the 3.5 range, three range. I think it's a fine card. I don't think it's a problematic card. I don't think it was broken. I don't think it was bad. It a, it's, it's just kind of expensive and slow to some degree, but what it was able to do in cerebral three was phenomenal. And if you think about it, a lot of the Victoria hand shells do like this type of card as well. Um, has it taken the world by storm? Not necessarily. And currently the top place where it's seeing play is actually unironically, the bullseye base shells because you can, uh, copy the bullseye, you can copy the mo uh, the Mobius, like you can copy the meek or whatever, and then you could blow things up. It's kind of interesting what they can do in those types of shells. And that's currently where it's seeing play.

Cozy: 24:41

Did you ever finish Xmen 97? Are you still, is that one of the series? You're still slow burning through Alex?

Alex: 24:47

I'm not done the last two episodes since the last time we spoken about this. I have to finish

Cozy: 24:51

it. Sorry. Have you watched Inception?

Alex: 24:54

What do you think?

Cozy: 24:54

I hate you. I hate, I hate I, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be here anymore. I have you. Hold on. Let me continue. How far are you? I'm going through all the things I remember. You like do how far did you make it through oblivion? Remaster.

Alex: 25:08

I have not played since I exited the sewers

Cozy: 25:10

Expedition. 33.

Alex: 25:11

I finished the expedition Three. Three,

Cozy: 25:14

okay. I'm proud of that one. I would've been mad. That was the one I was gonna probably be most mad at.

Alex: 25:17

I had to though. That game was so good. Dear. That game was so incredible.

Cozy: 25:21

Dear

Alex: 25:21

Devil. I haven't finished it since the, I guess the, we finished it season two and then never went back to it.

Cozy: 25:28

Okay. Yeah, you're doing about way I where I thought we, we, dude,

Alex: 25:33

I, there's no time. Like, it's, it's kind of sad. Like I don't play anything at all. Like I don't do anything. The only thing that like I'm getting derailed with is if I have like any free time. Okay. I tell you something like, this is really stupid. I'm addicted, really hard to heroes of my magic two and three. Really? Like, I'm not joking, like the old school from like 1996 Heroes of White Magic. Is it because playing is, is

Cozy: 25:57

it just comfort?

Alex: 25:58

Yeah. It's like I just love playing it so much. I've, yeah. I've been laying in bed with it on my chest, the laptop on my chest playing Heroes two and I love it. It's from 1996. The graphics are terrible, but it's so nostalgic for me. And then, um, I've been playing Heroes three as well, which is nice.

Cozy: 26:14

I wanna hear from our viewers comment down below, like, what is your most nostalgic game show, whatnot do,'cause it's so, it's so strong, right? So strong that like companies will use it to their advantage sometimes, but also like. I'm not a, uh, a, a a talker I don't even know is, I don't think people use that as a verb. I'm not like a short guy. I just don't watch shorts. Never have never. That's why I don't make'em, just'cause I don't watch'em. So I don't know how to like produce'em'cause I don't consume them because I'm just addicted. Like I, I, I know I'll be addicted to whatever I watch'cause that's how it works. Right. But somehow I did like stumble upon this like, nostalgic train of him and it like was showing you like 1990s toys, era, whatever. It was like a, it was one of those, it was like just boosting you, man. I've never felt, it's like I just did a drug man. I felt amazing. I was like going through the nineties and, and, and just like, or even I think it was showing like top 10 old commercials from like 1999 to 2002 or something. And it just like coming on the screen and I was like, oh my God. Like. I, I forgot yes, this was on at 2:00 AM Michael Bolton screaming in the thing. Like, I, it is just such a, uh, uh, a powerful thing, man. And, uh, I, I, I often, I think I find my time now being around nostalgia as well, most of the time.

Alex: 27:28

Yeah. And for me it's a lot of theme songs that I hear that bring me back in time. Can you just imagine in your head like the Goosebumps theme song? Oh yeah.

Cozy: 27:35

Oh, for sure. Man. Goosebumps. The books even like, just like reading a Good Goose. I think that was like the last book I've read, man. But like, I absolutely. There's like nostalgic gaming for me. That's how scape hits so hard. Like, that's like my, that's my nostalgia, that's why it does so well, old school Greenscape is on top right now.'cause it, it's such a nostalgic experience. It, it, wow. Somewhat. But it's just like show wise, that's why comfort shows are easy too.'cause like, it gives you something to watch, but it's like nothing that gonna, you know, blow you away. I'm trying to Any other What made you get back into that though? Like, what made you stumble upon that?

Alex: 28:09

It sounds silly, but, uh, I was just looking at like my good old games library.'cause I have a pretty big library of like, games that I get on g g.com. Like, it's not, not sponsored or anything, but it's like this, it's like the kind of DRM free, lots of classic stuff. And I was looking for a game called Caesar three that my brother and I used to play. It's like Sim City, except Rome. Okay. And I was trying to find that one, uh, because I just wanted to check it out. And then I came across, I'm like, oh yeah, here's my magic. Like, I, I totally forgot about that. And I started playing it and I was like, oh my gosh. Like I forgot how much I love this. And I started playing the second one'cause it was my favorite. And I started playing the third one. And then I just so happened to find out that in 2025 they were planning on releasing a new, updated version called, uh, the, uh, old Man. I can't remember what it's called. It's called like, here's my magic olden era. I think it's called Olden era. Okay. And it's supposed to be releasing anytime now. And I was like, I can't believe this. They're releasing the first game in like a decade and I'm getting head over heels for the classics from like the nineties. It couldn't have been more perfect timing. So yeah. Now I'm all in. I'm super hyped up. So we're gonna bring

Cozy: 29:08

up, what we have here is a nineties show tier list, and we're gonna pop up only a few of them in here as we weave this in between cards. Talking about nostalgia. A I have a feeling that, well, I was gonna say that they don't have some of these shows in Canada, but if I'm being honest, I feel like you're gonna say you've never heard of this. And all the Canadians down the comms be like, we've had this forever. Alex, I don't know what you're doing. As there's, so there's too many to pull from in here. Like you, because I don't, I don't know exactly'cause we're we're close toge. Like you watched, uh, just pulling one out, like Dexter's lab, right? Like, you know what this is? Yeah,

Alex: 29:40

yeah. I I remember that. Yeah. But I, I was still a little too old for that one by the time I was popular.

Cozy: 29:44

So you're like, you're. A little too old. So like, you're more like, uh, this is nineties. So like, captain

Alex: 29:51

Planet right there is insane, like, I can't believe I almost forgot about Captain Planet.

Cozy: 29:55

Where's Captain Planet?

Alex: 29:57

Straight up from where you are. It's like the top right beside the Simpsons, right there. Is that not Captain Planet?

Cozy: 30:01

This SOB dude. This guy sucked. No, I, I watched Captain Planet though. I watched a little. What were their superpowers? Just like recycling. Like what did they do? I forgot. Like, I remember watched a good amount of it, but I, I couldn't tell you the plot. Captain Planet. Captain Planet. I think that's just like everyone's thing. And he man obviously, but, uh, what did they do? You, I

Alex: 30:21

don't

Cozy: 30:22

remember. Clearly the show wasn't goaded. If we can't even remember the plot of Captain Planet,

Alex: 30:26

but also keep in mind, like we're talking about what, 35 years ago now? For me, like I was watching some of this stuff. Um, OG Sonic, but is awesome. Oh, Doug. Like I could tell you. That's hilarious.

Cozy: 30:36

Doug. Like, uh, not Skeeter. Was it Eric? Who's the green? PPOS. What was his name?

Alex: 30:40

Man, I don't remember

Cozy: 30:42

this guy. This guy with the green hair. This guy sucked. And then Patty mayonnaise. Was his like, was his boo his main squeeze? Skeeter was cool. He was good. This was not D by the way. I'm not putting these like, this is definitely down here. Alex doesn't even know h shows. For those that are watching, I would put Dexter an A two. Doug, Doug was good. I think Doug was like, I, I don't know if I, like, I would watch it if it was like, it was good, but I, I wasn't like, man, Doug slaps.

Alex: 31:03

Yeah. Like I, I used to watch Doug and I thought it was okay, but I didn't love it. Um, the song is good, obviously X-Men, the animated series is S Tier. Totally. Um, that was unbelievable. I loved it. Um, so like Family Guy, I think he has to go into s Tier as well. Like, I think fam like that era of like comedy animation was so good.

Cozy: 31:21

Dude, there's, I'm gonna post it. Like, I know you haven't seen like, freakazoid. Did you, did you know who Freakazoid is?

Alex: 31:27

I vaguely remember the theme song, but I couldn't tell you a thing about it. I don't think I, because the theme song is like silly, right? I

Cozy: 31:32

remember Freakazoid very well. Like when WB had its era, WB used to slap dude like Pokemon, all that ran on w an maniacs. Which was another like, yeah.

Alex: 31:41

Yeah. There was a game too. Animaniacs on. Yeah, on

Cozy: 31:44

Sega. Well, I played on Sega, I think Sega Genesis Anime. I had a

Alex: 31:48

Sega too. Maybe it was then. Maybe it was on, I think it was on Sega. It was a go to game. It was a

Cozy: 31:51

good game too. Angry Beavers. You, you eff with the beavers. Angry

Alex: 31:54

beavers.

Cozy: 31:54

What the

Alex: 31:56

dude, this is like the most Canadian show I could think of. Yeah, it sounds Canadian, but that's gotta be some like, like American Southwest type stuff. I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh,

Cozy: 32:04

shout out. Shout out. For those that know angry beavers we're hitting somebody that was born in the two, two thousands that are gonna have no idea. Like a half the show. Yeah. Cat dog. Yeah.

Alex: 32:12

I don't remember. Cat Dog.

Cozy: 32:14

Oh, Alex. Okay. So I have to like, I have to like go, I have to keep, I have to keep going way back here. For you to even to be in the same world as you. Where in the world is Karma Diego? Oh, the Mighty Ducks,

Alex: 32:25

though. Let's go

Cozy: 32:26

Mighty Ducks. I remember watching The Mighty Ducks. Well, yeah, you're a hockey guy. You have to, you have to know Mighty Ducks. You're seeing things that I'm not, and when I try to find it in this abyss, there's so many more that people can even see on here. There's so, there's so many on here, dude. Like, I don't even know. Half these were shows.

Alex: 32:40

Yeah. I remember a lot of these, to be honest with you. And it's like, but I don't remember much about them. Like right at the bottom. It was Life with Louie. I remember that one as well. Sonic, I remember Madeline. Madeline, yeah. You remember this? Oh, yeah, yeah. You

Cozy: 32:52

know, Franklin too. This little turtle taught me everything. Yeah.

Alex: 32:54

Franklin. Yeah. I had a book called Franklin Fibs. It was about lying and it, like, my parents read it to me and told me like, you know, I'm supposed to lie. I remember all about it. Yeah. I used to have his books.

Cozy: 33:03

Franklin taught me like, yeah. How to protect and sex. Like the whole thing was from Franklin, I remember. Yeah. That's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. That was like, yeah. His, his, uh, his. No, but I, the good lessons came from the, I don't know who Kipper is. I think this is a made up, this is a plant. I don't think Kipper exists, if you know what Kipper is, let know the, but yeah. Uh, this show, I, I like it. Would I would see it. I can't tell you I ever gave a damn. Oh, hey Johnny Bravo, man. Hey,

Alex: 33:26

yeah, Johnny Bravo was funny, but like, I feel like I never actually paid attention to it. Like I didn't follow it. Who,

Cozy: 33:31

who, who? No, it was great, man. It was so great. It was goaded. I don't, I, there there's, uh, oh man, they, the episode where he, uh, it's like the Twilight Zone. He's on a plane. It's, it's that I could go back and watch the show right now. I'm telling you with confidence, really, that that's one that I could go back to and feel, feel good about watching. We'll pick like two more and then we'll, we'll move on. What is this show? So this Warren

Alex: 33:52

Jim, I used to play all the time on, uh, my Sega,

Cozy: 33:55

I know. Called Bla yes. Earthworm Gym was, was sick. I loved that game. It, I, I don't know again if I could tell you the plot of it, but I remember running. As him,

Alex: 34:05

bro. Chippendale's, rescue Rangers one of my favorite NES games.

Cozy: 34:09

Yeah. Another good, another good banger, especially in the video. I love about half these back when show, bro. Do you remember they used to make like TV and movie games and they used to slap, right? Yeah. Then they used to be insanely hard and then in like 2000, they were like the worst genre of game you could possibly buy. Like they, they became such instant trash that you, like, you knew not to get them, like your grandma would buy you, like Star Wars episode two. Actually, I, but yeah, they buy you some random movie game and it was just, it was just ass.

Alex: 34:41

Yeah. That was often, often the case. I guess some, uh, some exceptions to that was like Golden Eye on N 64 based on a movie that

Cozy: 34:48

was, you also had, that was in the Goated age. Yeah.

Alex: 34:50

Yeah. Then you had Star Wars pod racer on N 64, which is awesome too.

Cozy: 34:54

That was a good one too. Did you watch Reese's Schools? No.

Alex: 34:57

No, I don't. That doesn't look familiar to me,

Cozy: 34:59

man. Oh, these are some, okay. We're gonna have to revisit this. It's too, it's too good not to. So, uh, last few cards this month. Thank you guys for coming to our Ted Talk. Last few cards of this month, we had Warlock as well. Jo Costa. How's Jo Costa? What's Jo? Yeah. How did this end up being with the, uh, the other cars that you could activate again?

Alex: 35:18

Jokasta is good. I think that it, it made the, uh, the kind of like that end of turn type stuff, really pop the hell off. There's no joke when you use the Acosta. I think that, uh, Jo CASA's ability to be used on like earlier turns activate stuff on turn six is pretty solid. It basically is a prodigy that you have more control over for those types of decks, and it's gonna age like fine wine because of the fact that every single activate that gets released is going to be able to potentially interact with Ocosta. Yeah, this is a good card.

Cozy: 35:46

Okay. Yeah. I, it did make Activate have anything like. Extremely new come from. It didn't, nothing

Alex: 35:52

necessarily new. Um, I tried to do some fancy stuff with Cerebro three'cause you could have like a black widow on turn three and then turn four play, uh, jokasta and you activate the widow's kiss and then turn four, turn five, you play down uh, omega Sentinel and you activate yo Costa. So then you pew pew, shoot another's widow's bite. And then on turn six you can also pew pew again. That was a pretty cool combo, but like, it's too draw dependent. But Joe Costa ended up being really good in the end of turn stuff

Cozy: 36:21

and and also fun though.

Alex: 36:24

Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I think Joe Costa, if you have it, you're gonna enjoy it.

Cozy: 36:27

Jim Hammond human torch at the end, at the start of each trip, plus one power for each bonus energy you have. Yeah. How did this fair in the deck that we thought it would go?

Alex: 36:35

You know what? Honestly, he, he was okay. Like he put up decent power, but literally only in fall in one decks.'cause he ended up working with fall in one. Okay. He ended up seeing fall in 1 cent. Energy. Energy. Yeah. We a question about that.

Cozy: 36:45

Yep. Okay.

Alex: 36:46

Yeah. Yeah. So that ended up working. And that was like his only home at all. And those decks were so combo centric and the surprise factor was, oh did they seriously just play Black Panther Zola on turn, like the last turn of the game? How did they possibly even do that? Jim Hammond wasn't really a factor there. He wasn't the reason why you won. As we suspected this card was, uh, flaming fecal matter.

Cozy: 37:04

You were pretty high up on Omega Sentinel. How did that end up going? Especially coming out when it came out with all the tech stuff.

Alex: 37:12

Yeah, I really liked it. I still think it's a cool card. The toxic version of C3 has not performed well'cause you could do like C3 with like Scorpion, Diamondback, omega Sentinel, et cetera. Right. And try to like, take advantage of those lines. It didn't quite pop off the way I was hoping it would. But Omega Sentinel I think is an absolutely fair card, especially with, uh, what's happened with Shun Chi. This is a guaranteed negative seven hit on something where sh she can still whiff on things. Right. So, I like it. I think what makes Sentinels a fair card?

Cozy: 37:39

Uh, it's coming back to my, in my little memory that is existent at this point. But I, I don't think I've successfully gaslit you more than telling you this was Nebula and Claws child. Oh my God. In my I dude, I believed you.

Alex: 37:55

I actually believed

Cozy: 37:56

you, bro. They, because it looks exactly like that. The comments believed that I was not even trying to troll you too. They thought I was just actually like in it to do, I was proud of myself too. I was like, I'm gonna, you sold it so hard. I did. I felt, and then when I put it as a comment and someone, and then you, you said something, you're like, what? That was how you found out. I felt, uh, I felt good. It actually gave me, it gave me some life. But so is this something you put in Dex now or No.

Alex: 38:26

I, not lately, no. But we all, I do like the card. We

Cozy: 38:28

all know Austin Andy turned out really good.

Alex: 38:31

Yeah, he was fantastic. They buffed into a tutu. He still sucks.

Cozy: 38:34

Yeah, we, we knew he was gonna get buffed and we knew he'd still suck. How did this kind of fair out? Because everyone got air. A lot of people got it'cause it was a good, you know, it was a good time to play Deadpools Diner. Uh, but did it end up being good?

Alex: 38:47

Uh, danger is okay. I think, uh, there's some like destroy everything style decks that are like, not necessarily meta, but people are having fun with. I think that it probably didn't see as much testing as it should have. I think that buff based decks are probably decent and this could have, act like, could have legitimately gone in there. Especially with Joe Costa coming out as well. You have a very natural curve there. It just didn't see much play. I think this is probably one of the underutilized cards. It's probably better than people are giving a credit for.

Cozy: 39:13

It sounds like this whole month wasn't that great dude. It sounds like. And compared to. Seasons prior, I haven't had you say like, God, this card is it, but we haven't gotten to Warlock. Yeah,

Alex: 39:25

it underperformed. It didn't do what I wanted it to, which is a shame'cause I was excited for it. But you know what killed Warlock? I'll tell you what, what it was. Warlock would incidentally hit she huk based on the, the way the skip happens. So you skip your before your energy? Oh

Cozy: 39:37

no. Oh, okay.

Alex: 39:37

Warlock would pump the, she huk with hits and then she Hulk would float anyways if it was the other way around and it avoided the, she Hulk it would set up better lines for high Evo. It still did some cool stuff. It wasn't a bad card, it just wasn't as good as we were hoping because it looked like she Hulk was wasting like two or three of the pros and it was a little frustrating. That

Cozy: 39:55

stinks, man. Yeah, because that was definitely like where it was gonna perform and I think I gave it a high rating at that point for sure, because I thought that was gonna cook in that one specific deck. With even magic and stuff back in the,

Alex: 40:05

yeah.

Cozy: 40:06

Back into it. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle villain. How did they do?

Alex: 40:10

This dude's, I irrelevant. Like honestly, I did not play a single game with him. Like I, I'll be honest, I didn't play a single game with him. All suck. Even when Joe cost suck, I don't think anyone played him. I never saw once,

Cozy: 40:19

wow, I missed a good month. I like both casually and professionally. I think you chose the correct month to peace out on peace out have, have the big, I'm almost outta the, the darkness. Like, dude, I don't remember anything from my first son's year. Like I would say like the first three months or four months of him being alive, there's no way I black out bro. You just try to survive, right? So I'm in that era right now. But it was the same for you, Noah, right? Like you just survive it. So I feel like that I'm still in that like, I won't remember this. No way.

Alex: 40:51

Yeah, it's, it's one of those things where like you get so used to being tired, it's just your new normal. And I, I notice this like when I travel a little bit'cause we, we do stuff for work and stuff and I'll be in a hotel by myself and I'll sleep for like five hours and I'll wake up and I'll be like. Whoa. I slept five hours without interruptions and I feel like a new person. I feel like a different human being. Like I'm not, like, I feel like I'm completely energized. It's bizarre. Like my new, my normal is so just like worn down that my actual normal, I feel like I'm on cloud nine.

Cozy: 41:24

Uh, yeah, dude. And again, this is what met with two kids. I can't even, I can't process with what you have. So this, the whole season as a whole, I mean, what would you give it? One through five, all the cards.

Alex: 41:35

As a whole. Uh, this season didn't feel great. I think it was heavily propped up by Moira. I think Moira was a phenomenally well-designed card, like second dinner hats off to you guys. Moira cooked. It was great. Everything about it. I think Viv vision buffing, it was probably prudent. I think it was the right call to make. They also buffed it, uh, while it was still available when the season passed. So they didn't, they didn't like, I think that was fair the way they did. They handled Viv vision. And moving it to a three, three, I think is like probably the most you can do without it feeling completely overbearing. But everything else kind of felt uninspired. It was a little unfortunate that SSA's primary usage was just amplifying what already was a meta dominant deck. But overall, I think the season was maybe serviceable and not as exciting as, uh, we would've hoped.

Cozy: 42:19

Well guys, we move on to October and the hoard season and I'm, I'm like, gassed up dude.'cause I, I know nothing and I don't think ever, like I know typically mean you will at least read the card. It will come up. We'll give our star rating. We typically don't think about the star rating too much going into it, but we at least know the card going in. Nothing, man. I know. Nothing excited for it. So I'll give my guests, you'll give yours. I guess before we hop into it, and for those that wanna know too this month on the chat, what it's saying right there. What we want to talk about with that briefly is, uh, I mean Alex and I did, we. We're too close of friends not to do the show anyway. And as soon as I'm outta the chapter, I'm in, uh, especially once, not only as my second grows older, but at the end of October is my end of what I've been signed on for, for rivals. So I'm going to Georgia doing that thing, and then I'm effectively done casting for a little bit for them, uh, at least, uh, in what has been this Ignite series. So it's opening up my time a lot. Super excited for that. So when I get back from all that and here to help out my wife I will still be gone a good amount in the meantime, couple weeks, few weeks more as Alex finds great guests and fill-ins. I could jump in. We'll see how that goes. But for the most part, we'll have guests for a couple more. And then when I get back there and we get things, uh, launching here in a few weeks, uh, we have a lot of cool things to talk about, a lot of exciting things and, and kind of how we want to do the show moving forward. And you should expect it every week. Once again, I'll be back and, and we got, back to our roots, Alex, right? And so, uh, more on that in, in, in a bit. No.

Alex: 43:49

I mean, and we're gonna try to like, figure out how we can make the Snapchat the best it can be. I think that, uh, you know, given the opportunity, I think that you and I might take a chance to see if we can change the format a little bit, see if we can improve it, make it more fun, more interesting and we're gonna have those discussions. And again, everything that we decide or do is going to be in benefit to you guys so that we can try to produce the best possible show moving forward for you guys. And, uh, with Cozy taking some time off to be with his family and finish up his, uh, contractual obligations. It's a great time to do a bit of a reset too, right. So I'm, I'm actually looking forward to having those conversations with you and showing what we come up with.

Cozy: 44:25

Yeah, and it's no secret that like, I would say, a good chunk of our audience. Play Snap. And a good, good chunk of our audience also doesn't even play it anymore. They're still interested in almost the nostalgic nature of it, but then they also just love the show and what we've been going on near three years now. And so we're finding this beautiful mix between all of it. Can't wait to continue to talk about that as we, uh, will unveil it. But let's go to talk about October and what we've got this month. You're gonna have to tell me the order and I'll have to find the cards again. I just did a massive download so I have all of them here ready to throw up. So the first one is the Scarlet Witch one, or is the Horde one? Yeah, so

Alex: 44:58

she's gonna be the premium season pass, like the standard season pass. Okay. Lemme see. Uh, head pools the super premium season pass. So yeah, let's start with uh, zombie Scarlet Witch.

Cozy: 45:05

So guys, this is a three, two great art after you play a card here, horde plus two. So I have no idea what Horde is. Let's go and. Break that down. What is, what is horde Alex? So

Alex: 45:15

basically horde is whenever you play a card that has hoard or you generate effect that has hoard a zombie hoard is going to be generated on another location. So one of the locations will get like a random hoard. And what it basically is, is it's a, it's a unit that gains power as you add plus hoard to it with various effects from various cards, including Scarlet Witch. So yeah. So you create particularly powerful. So with

Cozy: 45:39

the plus two here, give the example with that much power on another location, if you have one already, give it that much power instead. So do you continue to create them or is it just one getting that power?

Alex: 45:50

It's one and it increases with power every single time you add hoard to it.

Cozy: 45:54

Nice. Okay. So like for instance, this would put a plus two hoard on a random location.

Alex: 46:00

Yeah. So if you don't have a hoard, it would be a two. If you already had a hoard, it would gain plus two.

Cozy: 46:05

Got it. Okay. Awesome. So that's, so this is your base hoard card. After you play it card here, hoard plus two, this is gonna help kind of feed into it. So essentially you can look at this as added power, but also an added card into that lane that you don't have to place. You're just getting free power in that, in that location.

Alex: 46:24

Yes. And it's important to also note that the horde text stated that it goes into another location, so it'll go into another location that the car generating it does not occupy. Okay. Kind of an important note.

Cozy: 46:34

That's cool. So you can fit in into locations that are hard to reach. You can continue to build the location that you're on. And end turns are really cool. You could do some good pop off moments on, on T six, whatever, at least with this card. Okay. So after you play a Cartier, is it like, so you're essentially getting up to potentially six of hoard power.

Alex: 46:54

You're getting a lot. And the other thing we're mentioning here that some of the cards you can play on top of Zombie Scarlet Witch will also give plus power to horde. So you get to double dip on the effect. And as we go through the other cards, you'll see that like you are able to chain these effects together to generally make absolutely massive hordes. And I do not think that the Horde power is gonna be anything to scoff at. It's gonna be Sean Cheal. It's gonna be big, so regularly big. So

Cozy: 47:20

this is effectively, if you're playing all the stuff in the lane, this is just a three eight.

Alex: 47:26

Kind of, but the thing is, is like you're gonna wanna do stuff that like the way I see it, okay, so it is essentially the Hope Summers of Horror Road, right? Yeah. Like you have Hope Summers you constantly play into it. If you think about that in, okay, in the same lines, then like you can see what Zombie Scarlet Witch is gonna do for this architect. Now with that being said, you might think, oh, what about Kitty Pride? Could you play Kitty Pride in this? There's a good chance that like silky smooth style decks will operate well with the Horde mechanic because you get to play cards into Zombie Scarlet Witch and then move them out, right? You get to move them out, you get to move the Jeff, so you get to move out the Spidermans. You maybe even something like a Mercury. There's a lot of opportunities to generate the power and continue playing there. However. There are so many ways to generate massive hoards, and as we go through the rest of the cards, it's gonna be evident to the point that one of the concerns I have is that, so first of all, the season pass has always been one of the best opportunities to get value from Marvel Snap. However, I'm worried that this entire season. Is gonna be difficult for you to participate in if you don't have Zombie Scarlet Witch because it feels like such a cornerstone piece to the puzzle for hoard. I wonder if this is one of those seasons where it's like you either, you either enter or you're out. You know what I mean? Because if you don't have Zombie Scarlet Witch and you start skipping others hoard cards, I don't know if you'll ever be able to truly build a competitive who deck. There's a couple cards that work independently and we'll talk about them. But I think this might be such a cornerstone piece. I don't know. It begs the question as to whether or not we should have season pass cards that are all in or all out like this.'cause it kind of feels like that.

Cozy: 49:07

Yeah. And it's actually makes it really hard to rank not knowing what any of the other ones do.'cause I don't know the importance of like, the cornerstone of it, but even with it just at its base value being a up to a three eight and typically like when you say like, oh, it's a three eight, but no, you have to play another card worth energy. So it's not worth that. Well this is. You're gonna be playing cards, so you're, you're just getting up to eight power with this no matter what. And it sounds like you could boost it past that. So is this the five or what

Alex: 49:34

I'm, I would not give this a five, but I definitely think it's in the four range. Okay. I think this is gonna be a cornerstone card. I think it's gonna be a good card. And I think it's staed in such a way where if you're gonna utilize hoard now hoard has its risks, right? Like it's gonna be susceptible to shun sheet, it's gonna be susceptible to the likes of, uh, something like a, uh, shadow king. I forgot who he was for a second, right? It's gonna get big, like the numbers on it are gonna be big. And so as a result, I think that this is gonna be a good card and what is gonna be a strong archetype. And because of the thematic ness of the zombie Halloween thing, just think about it. Halloween's, what? It's October 31st. I dunno why I had to think so hard about that. I don't think they're nerfing this stuff. Like, I think they want zombies to be cool, at least until Halloween. I, I, I think that the power levels on these cards are relatively high and I would be surprised if they underperformed.

Cozy: 50:23

Hmm. Okay. Alright. What is the next card that comes out so we can continue to see

Alex: 50:26

it? Probably head pool is gonna be the one you'd want to discuss because that's gonna be the super premium season pass. So for the extra$10 in the season pass, you get the variant that also unlocks the base card. And that's gonna be head pool.

Cozy: 50:38

When this is destroyed, it's a one, one. When this is destroyed, return it to your hand, then give all cards in your hand plus one power. Ah, interesting. Okay. When this is destroyed, return it to your hand. You can continue to play, continue to modify. It can help out a number of different cards. I, that's kind of cool for what the archetype's trying to do.

Alex: 50:59

It's not bad. I think that this might be one of the more over-hyped cards of the season. Again, this is my take and I'm happy to be wrong. I suspect head pool like I'm thinking in the two range and not like a low two, like a two and a half. If I could go there. Again, this is not a bad card, especially when I think that you'll be able to, you'll be able to order it in a way where like you, you know, you destroyed. Deadpool head pool. Deadpool goes back to hand first head pool then resolves. Pluses. The Deadpool that's in your hand then comes back down for the doubling, right? So there's a way that you can kind of utilize Deadpool and head pool together to generate some value. The thing is though, is if you think about how tight those destroyed decks are, you ha you're gonna have to give up a card like, you know, Hulk Buster, which obviously plays a similar role for what these Deadpool decks are trying to do. You're gonna have to give up a card like Wolverine, or you're gonna have to give up a card like X 23. These are good cards that you're getting out for the benefit of head pool. So I wonder if it's worth it, especially when I think about like when I play Moira X, what my closing lines look like. It's not so much buffing in the hand, it's the free deaths, it's the massive null, it's the, it's the huge Deadpool and it's not necessarily the incremental plus ones. You know what I mean? So I don't know if this is solving a problem for destroy.

Cozy: 52:13

Well, and that's always been the destroy thing, right? That you, it is such a hard deck to continue to get new cards in. And even way back when with X 23, it's like, you know, that worked out well because of the curve of it, but like getting X 23 late, you could still make it, it work and you could build that energy into later turns. This would feel one that if you draw it on four and you're really needing the next curve to get the deck rolling, it would feel bad. It it, you know, and so I don't that like, you know, you're just not gonna get your use out of it. Early play can be fun and I think there's gonna be cards that you can synergize with obviously that love the plus one power, but yeah. Does the main core shell need it? Uh, I can see that. Which again the super premium stuff, I'm definitely for these cards not being insane.

Alex: 52:53

Yeah, of course. I, that's the definition of pay to win, like, let's be honest with you. Right? Yeah. And we kind of experienced that with Fantastic Car, which was the first one, right? It definitely overperformed expectations. With this one here though, as I said, like I was wondering, okay, how do I make this work?'cause again, listen, I, I try to make really good compelling decks on day one, and I was thinking to myself, okay, can I do a head pool, saber tooth, Moon Girl death deck? Does that make sense? Like, does blowing up saber tooth make any sense with, with head pool? I think that might be massive cope, right? So, um, I'm not entirely sure. I think this is one of those things where it's like, I don't know if this card can outcompete in X 23, right? Okay. And that's where I wonder how viable it is. But we also have another destroy card we're gonna be talking about shortly, which might be in a new form of destroy shell where head pool's going to excel. So I wanna save some conversation for that there, because it's, it is an amazing card too. What card is coming out the next week? The next week, I believe is gonna be, uh, Colonel America. Colonel. Colonel, did you say that? Colonel? Sorry. I'm not a I'm not a military man. Colonel. That's Colonel America, right?

Cozy: 53:53

Yeah. Colonel Sanders Band. KFC. Come on now. Put some, it's like colon l Put some respect on the, uh, the herbs and spices. Secret recipe. The uh, by the way, I would say, you said you gave it a two. I think that's fair. I think two, two and a half is where I would see that rolling out would destroy probably more. Two. Yeah, I'd see that. Yeah. So essentially, yeah, zombie Captain America. For those that can't see it and just listening, it's a three, three ongoing. Your other cards here have plus one power for each turn. You've discarded a card. What's interesting to me is I thought I was gonna see a lot more hoard mechanics, but we're now on destroy and now on a discard option. Whereas the main hoard thing is with Scarlet. But, uh, your other cards, you have plus one power for each turn. You've discarded a card. That's kind of cool. Do I want but will that fit into the rotation that is discarded? Kind of means dis card's gonna be good. I think. You think, well, dis card's always been so stable. I mean, heck, dude, I did see that. I saw the thing that won the, the what they call the, the gauntlet. Uh, wasn't it just like a base discard deck that won? Yeah, it was a cons deck. Yep. Yeah. Okay. That right there is the best marketing Snap could've ever asked for. Is, is the most basic discard deck. I guess Concho is a little bit different, but for that to win this tournament is really good and healthy for the game.

Alex: 55:11

It is. But the thing I'll mention here is that like if you, first of all, there's gonna be another card that activates discard as well. So do keep that in mind that, uh, zombie Power Man is going to be another discard synergistic card. But if you think about this, it can give like plus six power to each card at its location. Imagine what this does to swarms. Yeah. Like you could discard swarms, right? And then what happens is, is you play them on the, you know, zombie, uh, cap here and they're all gonna get the Pluses. Plus, and I, I don't wanna jump ahead, but the zombie, uh, power Man does do a discard at the end of each turn if you're winning a location. So imagine it's Viv vision except end of turn Pro. That means that on Curve you can play these two and. Zombie cap here is going to get plus ones every single time you win that location. The two are gonna be highly synergistic together. And there's even another deck I don't wanna get into yet. I want to kind of talk about it a little later, where they could potentially be played together in a non-traditional discard. So I do think this card's gonna output quite a bit of power. I'm leaning like a four star rating here, just because I think that you can't lie what the stats look like. And the other thing that's worth mentioning is more than ever, not just with the inclusion of zombie power man, but now more than ever, we have way more tools to our disposal on discard. Yeah. Literally every single turn you have targeted discard. And when I saw this Colonel America, it made me wonder like, oh, that this is, is this the reason why they actually nerfed Colleen Wing? Were they getting ahead of this? Because there's so much targeted discard where you can just feast on each, every and every single turn. And so like, I suspect this is gonna be a pretty damn good card.

Cozy: 56:56

Yeah, it sounds, a flavor wise, they nailed the text. Like it being the Captain America card, calling back to the other Captain America card card, but also being the zombie of discard and kind of getting it that's just a cool shout to them design-wise, like the card a ton. Uh, and I do, yeah, you know, it, I think it fits the mold of discard really well, especially compared to destroy when we talk about head pull and what this does curve wise. The thing with discard, I just feel like no matter what cards come out, it's just always worse than just like the main package of discard. Like usually I guess k being the difference, but that like, I think it'll do great. But will it outbeat how well discards are doing at the moment?

Alex: 57:31

And that's kind of one of the questions you always ask yourself, right? Like, can a card elevate an archetype to a point where it's a legitimate inclusion? The thing I'll say about this particular card is that like the conscious style decks and all those types of like, dependable, discard, they're not running swarms. And I suspect that a new version of discard running swarms could be potentially really cool with Colonel America. So that's, that's kind of where my head's at and that's the kind of deck I'm trying to create Okay. Around this card.

Cozy: 57:58

Okay. I don't even, and you keep talking about superpower man. We'll get to him. What's the next one? After?

Alex: 58:03

The next one I believe is gonna be zombie Mr. Fantastic.'cause you know, we needed another Mr. Fanta in the game.

Cozy: 58:09

Yeah, for sure. I'm gonna, by the way, give the, the Captain America won a three and a half more in its long tenure as well. Okay. Is that you gave a small chuckle. Is that like way off?

Alex: 58:24

No, I'm with you. I'm with you on it. I just chuckled because like I forgot to, I had to keep writing down all your star ratings. Yeah, you fine. Don't about it. I pretty catch up

Cozy: 58:31

Mr. Fantastic. Two. Two. So the version that came out for like a hot minute in July, but on Reveal Horde plus two. Okay, so we have our another Horde card HO plus two activate. Give four of your created cards. Plus one power, huh? Or

Alex: 58:50

plus two. This is really fascinating because it's the first card that has both on Reveal and activate on it.

Cozy: 58:56

Yeah. What the hell? And why is this just not pretty good? You have a two two, which is essentially a two four split across two, but you're getting the Horde started. You could also play that with Scarlet Woods. So you're building that up. Well, no, I guess that's on the next curve line. So it depends when you play it. And then the activates good too.'cause you can wait for when you have the created cards. I don't know, I think it's pretty damn good.

Alex: 59:18

So this is a card that I'm more unsure of than some of the others. So stats wise, it looks like it's gonna be incredible stats, right? You got the two, two, then plus two on hoard. And again, if you don't have a hoard out, it's gonna create a hoard. Like it's gonna create one for you, which is kind of cool. And the nice thing about this is that you can, knowing that, let's say there's a desk domain or there's a sanctum sanctorum or whatever, you can position your, your cards in a way where you can take a shot. You play zombie, Mr. Fantastic, and you're taking a shot at setting the hoard up into the location you can't, uh, access, which I think is kind of cool. The one thing I'll say is I think that the activate give four of your creative cards plus one power is a bit tricky. Now, first of all, your hoard is gonna be a created card, so the hoard's gonna get plus one. But it's, it's not four separate instances of plus one. It's four separate cards. So it's not like you're gonna get plus four on the horde. If you don't have many created cards, he's only doing plus one or plus two. So I think that the honor reveal kind of carries more weight here than the activate. The activate, I think will likely in hoard based shells only give plus one to the hoard and maybe one other plus one. It still ultimately is gonna be good stats. It seems like a really straight up fair, but it's a vehicle strong card.

Cozy: 1:00:26

It's a vehicle card though too, to in the sense of like it's going to fuel the hoard in what it's doing. So even looking at it at a two four base, but you also have it being a Hode card, I feel like is why it's gonna be pretty good. You know what I mean? Like stat wise it's fine, but a Hode card is what you're gonna wanna do ultimately. And I don't even know what the other hoard cards are, but that's just my guess, at least how it would be in other, archetypes per se.

Alex: 1:00:49

No, I think that's a fair assessment for sure. And that's why I think like it's floor is gonna be probably a three and it's upward ceiling is gonna be a four just because it just, it kind of does exactly what you wanna do this season. But what I'm saying is, is I really think that the activates the weaker of the two texts here. I don't think you're, yeah. Oh, for sure. You're gonna often get plus fours, you know what I mean? It's just a

Cozy: 1:01:07

bonus. Yeah. Yeah. I, I would agree. I would agree. I think, yeah, it's definitely just getting the hoard out there for plus two on turn two if you need to. And then also, you know, have some power to boot. What would be, I, I'm gonna give it a four. I'll lean to towards a four on that one. Cool. What's the next card coming out?

Alex: 1:01:21

It's zombie Captain Marvel is gonna be the next card that comes out. It's, uh, this, so this one here is where I'm gonna take a bit of a chance here. Um, I'm giving this a five. Okay. Let me read it. I think this card is very good.

Cozy: 1:01:33

Go

Alex: 1:01:34

ahead, read

Cozy: 1:01:34

it. This is for the viewers and myself. I had no idea I was looking at the art actually, because it's so dope. Looks like, dude, it looks like SS two Goku. Four, four. I swear is this on when he is going against the freezer? Four. Four activate. Destroy your other cards here to get plus three power for each. Move to a location. Move to a location you're moving after you activate it. Once you are losing. So you're essentially popping up a potential. So like the game ends, you activate it, you destroy some other, I mean you could do it before game end, whatever, to destroy the card. You game plus three power on top of that. Plus all destroy cards that wanna be destroyed are feasting anyway. Uh, and or stuff you want to just get rid of, anti junk, whatever. And then it also moves to a location to benefit you. Yeah, this is pretty crack bro.

Alex: 1:02:22

I think this is a fantastic card. Yeah, it's very good. I think it's so good. Like you have a tremendous amount of power moving. Think about like destroying wolverines and stuff. Those cards are gaining power, bouncing around. You might even be able to get rid of something like a hood that's there. Like there's cards you want to destroy, right? You're destroying the hood. You're taking that three power off. You're adding three power to zombie cap making a move. It's not, it's not, the text is not as quite as good as the standard cap, or in the sense of like, cap's gonna actively try to make it so you win. This is moving to a location that you're losing. So theoretically it could still generate a victory for you. I just think this is an incredibly powerful destroy card. Like, I think that this might be one of the cards where suddenly head pool starts to make sense, where a new type of, uh, archetype where you're actively destroying cars more often, even something like saber tooth is pretty legit here, right? Uh, the only thing is you'd wanna destroy saber tooth prior to the end of the game, so you could actually play it down, right? You're not destroying this. Let it go to your hand for what? This is

Cozy: 1:03:13

a crack card, bro. This is just a very good, the fact that it destroys everything on activate. Like, I guess, yeah, playing it late, the con, but like you play that on curve, dude, even nimrod, like I, dude, there's so many things that you just destroy everything, get the benefits from it. Also get the benefit of every card you're destroying is adding that much power. Even if it did what it did and it wasn't for each card, you get plus three. If even if it was just a one plus three and it goes to a four seven, it's still like good used out of it. That's crazy. This is, this is solid.

Alex: 1:03:44

The other thing I was thinking about too is like, it's really a, a good anti clog card. Like imagine getting like savage lands or the shadow realm or whatever it is, the little ninja pops out negative too. You get scrolls thrown out everywhere, like you get so many locations that clog you and this can clear those locations and gain plus three for doing it. Like, it's basically like a mega charged carnage that you get to activate and control.

Cozy: 1:04:05

Yeah, I like this one for sure. I, I think a five is a fair assessment, at least with how it's gonna fit into what A lot of it works. I like it. I dig it. I back it up. Next card that comes out. Nice. Yeah. Yeah.

Alex: 1:04:17

It's next card that comes out is Zombie Galati. Oh boy. The seven four that reads start of game. Choose six other cards in your deck on Reveal. Transform those cards into copies of this. Whoa,

Cozy: 1:04:33

wait, yes. Holy New mechanic. Forget this card. Like, cool. Great. That means they built the tech into the game that's gonna allow you to start choosing things when you start the game. That's kind of, wait, start the game. Choose six of the cards. So it's gonna essentially what? Just pop up your whole deck and you select them?

Alex: 1:04:52

No. So you're not actively choosing, I believe it just gen, it just chooses six automatically. So as you draw them the way you gave agency, I was

Cozy: 1:04:59

like, oh, that's cool. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That makes some more sense. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I

Alex: 1:05:03

think the way it works is as you draw them, they're like kind of glowing with like a zombie, like fart stench.

Cozy: 1:05:09

So they gave, choose six of the cards. In your deck, honor, reveal, transform those cards into copies of this. Interesting.

Alex: 1:05:16

So this card I'm prepared to talk a lot about. Yeah. Um, this is something that I am super, super excited for and uh, actually, I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal this or not, but I, whatever I will. If this is what takes me, out's, what takes me out, I'm actually the one who's gonna be doing the official second dinner video for Zombie who is

Cozy: 1:05:33

ati.

Alex: 1:05:33

Damn. Like, what, what is that? How, why would that matter if you say that earlier? That's cool. Okay. I get fired. But anyways, long story short, I'll be doing the video for zombie Galati. So look at, uh, look out for that. So because of that, I've been spending a lot of time theory crafting with this card already. Part of the reason for that is'cause you would know this, we have to submit those videos like way in advance.'cause they go through approval processes and all that type of stuff. I don't like produce it the day before and give it to second everybody. Like, here you go, man. It's like a big process. So as a result, I've had to really cook early with this particular card. And so when I was cooking early, a couple things really came to mind. First of all. It should stand out to you that it's a four seven or a seven four. The fact that it's seven energy, I think gives you a couple hints as to where this is gonna be best be played. I know that most people are gonna be thinking about, okay, this is obviously a buff card. You're gonna put it in Chaves Decks with FAOs Galacto and Gwen Pool and stuff like that. And then you're gonna try and play Luna Snow. You're gonna try and ramp it out and replace the cards and all. I think that's wrong. I think that actually it's gonna be the wrong way to approach this. This particular card, I'll explain why. If you're playing that way, which is, I believe what most people are gonna think about doing what you're actually doing is potentially erasing the progress you're making. Because if you're buffing or hitting with a gwenpool, like a Mr. Sinister or a Brood, or whatever is in those decks, if Zombie Galactic is not the one that is surpassing those buffs, you actually have a chance of degrading your cards based on playing him at all. Plus, you're gonna be relying on Magic or Luna Snow or whatever to ramp him out on turn seven. So I've been giving so much thought to this, and I really don't think that that's the way to play him. However, when you look at the rest of the cards being released this season, I think that there's a deck where this card is really gonna shine, which makes it, for me, a 4.5 to near five star card. It's gonna be one specific shell. And we've already talked about it already, and it's, it's discard, specifically ksu. Okay. Because if you think of the way this is gonna be played, right. What you do is when this card reveals the power that it is, it has, is going to be applied to the cards that you are replacing. Therefore, when cons chew, brings it back, depending on how many times you discard it, it's gonna get the benefit of the cons, additional power. Because of this, all you have to really do is you have to get the cards that are kind of, uh, you know, zombified and they're gonna be glowing. So you'll know which ones are the ones to be discarded. All you gotta do is get those on the field to play. So something like a Wolverine, an X 23, those are cards or approximate Midnight. Those could very well be one of the, the six cards that'll transform for zombie galactic. So you're one, two, x 23, you discard it from your hand with, you know, whatever you wanna discard it with, whether it's Mobius, sorry whether it's Modoc, or whether it's Swordmaster or Blade or whatever you want to do, you discard them. They go onto the field of play. And they're glowing. They're waiting for you to basically bring them back as zombie galactic.'cause then what you do is you use Lady sif or Modoc. You get rid of zombie galactic, and you design the deck in such a fashion that everything that wants to be discarded either goes back to your hand. It doesn't hit the discard pile or directly onto the field of play. So this is where something like swarms will come in because it won't go to the cons discard pile. And then, so what you then do is on turn six, you play. The Concho Zombie Galactic will come back with the power that has been applied by ksu and it's therefore gonna change all those X 20 threes, the Wolverines and everything, all to the amped up power. And when I was thinking about this, I was thinking this is probably the way to play it. And it's not coincidence because we have multiple cards this season that are discard, synergistic, including Zombie Power Man and Colonial America, both of which could very well be in this particular type of deck. So that is my take. And again, this is, I've been thinking a lot about this card because I'm, I have to be prepared to make the video for it. And so I've been already brainstorming a whole bunch of stuff and I do really think that Concho specifically is gonna be an excellent spot for Zombie Galactic. And I think one of the key hints to that was the fact that this thing is seven power, which is the same reason why in Helleck you would play like a death or something because, or a scar, because you knew Lady Sif would hit that. And it's the same thing for zombie galati.

Cozy: 1:09:42

Thank God we have you.'cause a, there's no way I would've cooked that up on the show like this quickly. Not even a shot. And so very interesting and awesome breakdown, man. Appreciate that. Yeah, it definitely seems really cool and fun at the same time too. Like it definitely seems like, like any deck we have this like mini objective while you have the main one is really really cool. Does the half nature scare you at all at all being, you know, six other cards in your deck and only getting a few of those? Or is it just so strong if you do get the line that it doesn't matter?

Alex: 1:10:12

It definitely is concerning and it might be the thing that actually, like, so in my early designs, um, it cuts Kernel America out because that card is an ongoing that you want to have the effect that it has, right? Um, the problem is if it turns into a zombie galactic, it loses the ongoing. However, something like a zombie power man, which is just an activator, at the end of turn, you don't mind losing that'cause it's already done. Its thing, right? It's already done the thing you need it to, it can just gain the power you need from the zombie galactic. And also consider the fact that you're not just changing all those cards on the field of play to the zombie galactic. You're still playing Cons Down, which is a bigger card on turn six and you're adding the zombie galactic itself to one of the other locations. So you're naturally attacking two locations and then flipping the board state with additional power. I think it's a pretty legit thing, but there's one card that completely takes a massive diarrhea dump on this and it's Stardust. Stardust absolutely ruins this, right? So I think that that's gonna be one of the major turnoff valves. So if you're playing Zombie Gal decon you, and then somebody snaps on U turn six and they have initiative get out man.'cause they're gonna, they're gonna stardust your butt and it's gonna feel rough.

Cozy: 1:11:19

I will definitely be trying that deck'cause it just sounds like a good, just sounds like a good time, man. You keep talking about superpower man. We have three left, it looks like. Who is next?

Alex: 1:11:28

Uh, next. So I think that's the last, like, like calendar release. We have two series four cards coming out on October 7th. And that is zombie Giant man and Zombie Power Man at the same time. And the last two are related to the, uh, limited time game mode. So you can bring up zombie, uh, let's do Power man. Let's talk Power Man. We've talked about so many times now. Oh, you already put Giant man on the screen. I did, we about that. And I haven't

Cozy: 1:11:50

read him though. So Giant Man's a five three on Reveal Horde plus one. Then this gains power equal to your zombie hoard. Ooh, okay. That's interesting. That's fun that you can get some. So this is a scaling card forever as they do hordes. I don't know how much they'll do hoards outside of October, but you got that going for you. And it seems like, well, you gain the power, E gains power equal to design. I don't know. This seems pretty

Alex: 1:12:15

good. The way I'm reading this, like I think it's gonna be relatively easy to get zombie horse to like 10 power. Keep in mind this is also give plus one and then yeah, add the power and it's not setting the power. So the way this reads to me is that it fits five three if you're, if your horse's 10, you're adding one which is now 11, and then you go thir, you go three plus 11, this card's a five 14. It feels potentially very powerful. I think that it's gonna be a solid addition to the decks. It's gonna be one of the closers you could apply. I wonder how it'll play, like if you played on the zombie scarlet witch, if you kind of double dip the zombie scar scar, think it two plus two, then this plus one I it would do. And then you copy the power. That would make sense.

Cozy: 1:12:55

Yeah. I think that would, that's the first line I was thinking of. And because of that, I think that's the route they'll go. I, yeah, I think, I think that makes sense. It goes then. Yeah. Which is, I think so. You would think so. And if that's the case and I, yeah, I like it a lot.

Alex: 1:13:09

Yeah. And like the thing I think is gonna be challenging is, uh, you're probably gonna wanna protect the zombie hoard with something like a Cosmo because it's gonna be so susceptible to so much. In fact, here's the thing, I, I should have mentioned this before,'cause yes, Cosmo will protect you from Shachi. It'll protect you from Shadow King, but it won't protect you from Cobra. We should have brought this up. I think Cobra might be an actual good card this season. I'm not joking, I haven't been gone too long because Cobra's gonna destroy a created card and the zombie is gonna, you're gonna see the hoard and if they're playing zombie hoards, it's gonna be right there and it's gonna be key to their strategy. And you just play Cobra down and just knock it out and that'll go through Cosmo.

Cozy: 1:13:47

So as that the hoard takes over in his meta copper shines.

Alex: 1:13:53

Yeah, no seriously, it will at least its months.

Cozy: 1:13:56

And then like we'll see how long the hoard style lasts.'cause then if it's too random and we don't know how long it's getting played, it's not worth putting them in the deck kind of thing. But for now, yeah, that's crazy dude. I would've never guessed the comeback of Cobra.

Alex: 1:14:08

Yeah, Cobra's gonna be probably legitimate here. And I do think the zombie, uh, Ja Man's good. I'm gonna guess it's like a 3.54 star card. Okay. Um, especially since it's not reveal, you can consider like something like an abs man with it. If you want to close it out on turn six, I'm just trying to figure out like if you abs man, like what do you do to protect your hoard on turn six with initiative? I don't know. I'm still figuring out some decks. We're still pretty far ahead. So

Cozy: 1:14:31

next up we have two, four zombie power. Man, I've heard this name a thousand times today. Have not known what he's done. Uh, what he does now, I do, end of turn, if you're winning here, discard the leftmost card from your hand. Oh, okay. Wow. End of turn. Oh my gosh.

Alex: 1:14:47

Yeah.

Cozy: 1:14:48

Okay. I, I read that as a one time effect for a second, and then I'm like, wait a second. He can just keep. Doing that,

Alex: 1:14:57

that's keep doing it. Wow. And that's why Colonel, Colonel America makes a lot of sense. Like America War too, turn right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's also, that's why like part of the idea around, uh, Galati was that like, this is the type of card where if you can consistently contest the location, you're gonna just. You're gonna pump through your hand, like you're just gonna discard the X 20 threes, the wolverines, the proximal. You're just gonna, you're just gonna pump through your hand and if you hit the con shoe, it goes to the right. You know what I mean? It'll jump to the right, whereas everything else is hitting the field of play and whatever. So I do think there's a lot of opportunity for Zombie Power Man to legitimately be a high impact card in that archetype because it just enables so much for you. And I was even thinking like, do you play something like a V Vision? Do you play a V vision on top of this? And then, uh, I mean you might be in a situation where you're discarded or whatever, but if you don't, you play the V vision on top and now you're contesting that location. You're buffing cons you with the V vision while also discarding things as well. I don't know, it might be a little too greedy. I'm trying to still cook a little bit, but I think the zombie power man could potentially be a very interesting card. And uh, yeah, I wouldn't sleep on this at all. It's good. Yeah.

Cozy: 1:16:02

Seems good. Discard is getting a lot of love

Alex: 1:16:04

this month. My gosh. The other thing worth noting here is it's a two four and it's winning the location, right? So that's a really premier stat line. If you think about the OG V vision, it came out as a three two, which is an underst staed stat line. This is a premier stat line at two four, so it's gonna be way more capable of just winning its location on turn two, just on its own stats alone.

Cozy: 1:16:24

Yeah, this definitely seems like a good car that you could just play if you like discard as well. Like it's a couple of these. I see what you mean. Like they, they feed into each other, but some of these are independent good as well as we go into zombie century three four on Reveal Horde plus one for each of your cards at the right location on Reveal Horde plus one for each of your cards. Huh? Okay. A, you just have the whole, if the hoard is already out there on the right, then you get that and then as you build into it, so I guess you can game plan that into, you know, you play Scarlet out. So this, this just seems directly off the, not directly off the season pass, but this is one of those that just get way better off that.

Alex: 1:17:02

Yeah, it definitely does. And it's, it's wholly dependent on the hoard, right? The one thing that I was thinking about with this particular card is I think it might be amongst the weaker, which makes sense.'cause I think the two, uh, limited time game mode cards are gonna be the weaker of the cards. However, I still think it's gonna be good in this particular art type, but very, very niche and just applied here, obviously. And I think that's to be expected. Yeah. One thing I will say though is statistically it could put up a lot of power. It also doesn't have the downside of something like the void, which was the original century. Like this is a net positive no matter how you spin it. And at three, four, it does not have much downside, honestly. And you can probably get pretty used to just playing your zombie scarlet, which on the right side, and then filling it with stuff and then playing zombie sent. I just don't know if it'll count itself when you play it.

Cozy: 1:17:45

I have to ask, do any of the like re-triggering on reveal cards seem more appealing to you with all these horde on Reveals? Like a Wong? Yeah, Wong, there's multiple now at this point, right? Uh,

Alex: 1:17:58

any of them? You know what? I would definitely say no. The reason why I would say this is because from my understanding and what I've kind of just kind of tried to poke around and do a little bit of number crunching, I think that it's relatively easy to get a hoard above 10 power. Like I think that it actually might be detrimental to your game plan to go so all in on the hoard that it becomes like, oh, it got ched or it got shadow caned and my whole game plan died. I think that like going all in on hoard is probably gonna put up a lot of power, but until you get giant man where you can get that power and apply it somewhere else, it represents a risk. No grand master. I don't know, maybe, but I'm just saying that like you're asking to get

Cozy: 1:18:36

Cobra, right?

Alex: 1:18:37

Yeah.

Cozy: 1:18:38

Okay. Fair enough. Just thought I would throw my fruit for thought. The last one I have on here is the hunger. Yeah. So it just does honor reveal hoard plus food. I was just gonna ask this. Well, this is good. This is, uh, you definitely want this. Yeah I was just gonna ask if there's a one cost card, just so you just get the hoard going.

Alex: 1:18:52

There is now. But one thing that's hard to, you can't really tell here because the graphic you pulled, I guess is out outta date. It's a skill card, so it's like a Merlin skill or like a Aya moto skill so it doesn't stay on the field of play. It'll disappear.

Cozy: 1:19:04

That's fine. It's still a one three and the hoard's getting started though, so I think that's good for the engine of just

Alex: 1:19:10

getting It is rolling. It is, and it doesn't occupy space, which is beneficial, but not in the case of something like a zombie century, which is you wanna occupy space. I guess I, I wonder if this ever makes a a 12 card list, like for me, zombie sent and hunger, like I'm giving a two star just'cause I think they're very niche and they might be unnecessary. Ultimately for the hoard, this is probably okay. Now this will go well on this The Scarlet Witch because it'll pro the Scarlet Witch do the plus three and then disappear, allowing you to play more on the Scarlet Witch, which is kind of cool. That gives it some upside. But I feel the decks are tricky, man. I don't know, you only have 12 cards. I feel like there's only so

Cozy: 1:19:42

many hoard cards though, and I feel like as a one that's gonna feed the rest of'em, you would just have that in there for just because the limited options.

Alex: 1:19:49

Yeah. And that's fair. But at the same time, like I mentioned prior, like I wonder if playing, going all in on hoard is actually gonna be detrimental for you. Yeah. Like if you only commit to the hoard and then on turn five they play Cobra, like you're just cooked. So what do you feel like you're just cooked ends up at? I don't know, man. I don't know. I said, like I said, like two, three range for these cards. I just think they're super niche. They'll do really well with hoard, but like there's gonna be counters, man, people are gonna know that, that the hoard is, uh, gonna be something worth destroying. And also, I, I'm not sure what the cost of the hoard is. Like is it a one cost? Like can it get Killmonger? I doubt it can be Killmonger. I don't know what the actual cost value is now that I think about it. I think when it

Cozy: 1:20:28

was pulled, it's a zero technically. Is it?

Alex: 1:20:32

It's zero. Okay. Well, we'll have to see.'cause that might change a couple things as well.

Cozy: 1:20:36

If it's a one that'd be, I doubt it's a one cost awful. Yeah, I don't think it's a one which makes me think it's a zero.'cause then what else would it be at that point, right? Or does it grow with that number kind of thing? Uh, like.

Alex: 1:20:46

Or maybe it has no cost. That would be a good idea.'cause you, you have cards with no power and skills. Right. You can see

Cozy: 1:20:51

that too. Alright, man. So that's the season as a whole and I like it. I think it's a really cool mechanic. It's really fun. I do agree. Scarlet Witch, now that we've read all of them, is super important. My God. Uh, yeah. And if you plan on playing anything but discard, it's a must.

Alex: 1:21:08

Yeah. And specifically like, I do think that like there's. There's a lot of tech cards that can disrupt this game, and you can kind of see how like they, they tried to come in thematically with this particular season. I think they've done that well. But with Stardust and Cobra and stuff like that, I think they've done a lot to try to figure out like what tech cards could be the release valves here. But I think they also were sure to make this a a, a powerful season because you're looking at cards that generally are very highly staed. There's some downside risk to cards like zombie galati. There's some downside risk to cards like zombie Power Man and the Colonel America and all those things. There's downside risk to these cards, but the upside is undeniable. And I think that the Horde mechanic itself is gonna produce like massive PowerPoints. Like I, I guarantee it's gonna be over 10, almost every game. And it's gonna be relatively easy to do that Scarlet Witch is gonna just naturally do plus two every time you play on top of it. You do Scarlet Witch Plus, uh, Mr. Fantastic. On top of that, it's already, what? Six, just there, right there. Two cards. Not even on curve, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's gonna be relatively easy to get hoards to stupid numbers, which is a wide, I think giant, the zombie giant man or whatever is probably gonna be potentially like a much larger card as a series four than people realize it's gonna be a, a big slam.

Cozy: 1:22:22

I'm gonna cut, uh, Alex is gonna monologue to you guys for 40 seconds. I got three call calls from the wife, so I have to go look at that, Alex, talk to everybody. Say your peace.

Alex: 1:22:31

I mean, you could have just edited this out instead of putting me in the most awkward situation possible. I just have to talk for 40 seconds. Anyways, I guess for rankings, I dunno if Cozy wants to do this with me. Should I just talk about final rankings here? Um, this is actually kind of fun, by the way. Catching up Cozy is, is a ton of fun. And, uh, by the way, like, I think that it's like, it's cool. It's, it's genuine reactions, which I actually really appreciate.'cause it makes the podcast more fun, which I think is, uh, what we're after at the end of the day, if I'm gonna do the rankings. Okay. I'm gonna say ranking wise, do we wanna start at the top or the bottom? Do you wanna just hear my rankings? Are you prepared with rankings?

Cozy: 1:23:03

I my wife just got peed on uh, that, that was my update. Yes. Ranking wise. Yeah. I can, I can track number one. Uh, yeah. So are we starting at the top or the bottom? Maybe it's

Alex: 1:23:12

easier if we start at the top. Okay. So top wise, I'm gonna go zombie Captain Marvel number one.

Cozy: 1:23:18

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think it's, it is just tough to be as far as where it's gonna plug into the best, although Power Man is hella good too, but yeah. Okay. Captain Moore. Okay. Yep.

Alex: 1:23:29

I'm gonna go with Zombie Galactic number two, if the discard synergy works as I expect, if it doesn't, and the buffer road is gonna be the preferred way, I think this card drops hard. I'm expecting the discard to be the way to play it long term. I'm gonna go

Cozy: 1:23:42

zombie power, man.

Alex: 1:23:44

Okay, cool. Zombie power man. Uh, number three, I'm going zombie scarlet Witch. Yeah, because I think it's the cornerstone of the season. I agree.

Cozy: 1:23:50

Yeah. And, and that one you could place like no, you could place that one as well, Alex.'cause of the, like, the impact I think of the Horde attack. Yes. But I'm trying to think of, we always try to think of standalone value, I think as well, right? So

Alex: 1:24:00

yes.

Cozy: 1:24:01

I, I just feel like having a win here card for discard to continue an engine is too crazy for that archetype, at least how I'm seeing it. That's why I've got that. So I, so, okay. I'll join you at three there. Number four.

Alex: 1:24:12

Number four for me is zombie giant man. And I think just because those hoards are gonna be so big and this card's gonna take advantage of that nonstop. I think the zombie power man is gonna put up serious points. What am I? No, zombie, giant man. Not power man. I meant zombie giant man. What am I reading

Cozy: 1:24:30

here? Here?

Alex: 1:24:30

What

Cozy: 1:24:30

is this?

Alex: 1:24:31

That's Wolverine, sir.

Cozy: 1:24:33

Oh, there's like a special edition on it.

Alex: 1:24:35

Oh, is it signed?

Cozy: 1:24:36

I don't know. That's what it was in the files, I guess. I don't know. I I haven't seen it. I just saw that now. Okay. Sorry. What was your four?

Alex: 1:24:42

My four, which I, I think I said the wrong name for, was zombie Giant man. Because I think the horror's gonna be so big that copying that power and putting it on another spot, it gives you a lot of opportunities to dodge the tech. You

Cozy: 1:24:52

don't like

Alex: 1:24:53

power, man? I do. He's next. Relax.

Cozy: 1:24:56

Relax. I'll go. I'll go. Yeah. Giant

Alex: 1:25:00

man. Next. Cool. And then it's zombie power Man. For me and for what it's worth, I think Zombie Power Man's a good card. And the reason why it's it's five is just'cause I think Cap Marvel's insane. I think Galactic has incredibly high potential. And then I think Zombie Scarlet, which is the cornerstone. And then I think Giant Man is gonna know how you finish games with these hoard cards. And then naturally, power Man has to fall to fifth.

Cozy: 1:25:21

I'm gonna go galactic next. I feel like it'll end up more on the fun side. I don't know though. It could be, I see like your play line and what you're saying, but I see it more fun than because of its limited limitations. That's where I'm gonna have it. Although I do like it a lot. What's your next one? My next one is going to be number six, uh, Colonel America. Number six for me. I'm gonna roll with zombie. Mr. Fantastic. I think on, I wanted to be known

Alex: 1:25:43

that I'm still not sure if I'm saying Colonel Wright.

Cozy: 1:25:45

No, you

Alex: 1:25:46

are.

Cozy: 1:25:46

Um, I'm, yeah, you are, you're saying it right, like a popcorn. There's no r like Colonial. Colonial. Okay. I would go actually, yeah, I think I'll join you there. I'm gonna go with that and then I'll go into Fantastic. After that.

Alex: 1:26:01

Yeah. That's where I have Mr. Fantastic. At number seven.

Cozy: 1:26:04

Okay. And then it's between what the hunger and century head pulls. We haven't ranked. Ooh, I'm gonna go hunger here. I went head pool at eight. Okay. I'll do head pool and then end on century. So I do agree with you. Century does end up being the worst of the month.

Alex: 1:26:20

Yeah. So I go head pool, zombie century, and I'm going, hunger is the worst of the month.

Cozy: 1:26:23

Got it. Okay. Yeah, I feel like the whole thing will end up being needed, but you're right. We could end up getting the horde very fast and easy, but I feel like for what the archetype once as a one, it's good.'cause it's a one three technically, but it's a skill card, so I guess not. I like it. I'm gonna go with that. It's the series four though. Yeah.

Alex: 1:26:41

The Hunger.

Cozy: 1:26:42

Yeah.

Alex: 1:26:43

Yeah. That's gonna be the limited tie game mode cards. So it's free.

Cozy: 1:26:46

Oh, damn. I, I didn't know it had the, the buff of limited time ga game mode on it. I heard the nerve, not the buff. So that's our rankings for October. Good stuff, man. I think it's a cool month. That definitely sounds like a fun month. It's glad I'm not missing that month. I will definitely be returning even to casual play for sure. I I can't wait for it. And, uh, just didn't get to get to play any of it, but as we transition, we have our Snapchat mailbag, hour and a half here. Love it man. Wife hates me, but I'm having a great time, man. What, uh, what, let's kick off some Snapchat que Is there even questions for my rifle since it's unexpected?

Alex: 1:27:20

So we do have one question specifically for you. Okay. That you were deemed to be the person to have to answer. Okay. And it's, uh, the comments from Nina is new, ironically, who's the guest last week? And it reads, can someone explain, step on me, mommy to Alex please. And then Logan responded. Oh God. Let's save that job for Cozy. Cozy. What does step on me

Cozy: 1:27:44

mommy mean? Can I ask, can I, uh, ask a, a quick follow up? First of all, I feel like this is my son asking me in sixth grade hey dad, I heard this term today, especially the way you, you just phrased it. Can you at least paint the path of how we got here? Like how, how, I'm not even

Alex: 1:28:02

sure how we got here, man.

Cozy: 1:28:03

So this wasn't

Alex: 1:28:04

in Nina's episode with you? No, it was, so I said that, so if you bring up, um, it wasn't Hella, who's the hella lookalike? I can't remember her name. Morgan Lafe. Bring up Morgan Lafe. So Morgan Lafe has like a look like that volumous look. Yep. And then I said that like last week that she's one of the cards I've been like trying to cook around, but I've never been able to figure out a good deck for her. And then Nina was looking at it. She says, ah, she has step on me mommy energy. And I was like, what? It's like, do not, cannot

Cozy: 1:28:35

compute. Okay. So the, I feel like it could be. In, in two different ways. Okay. So you have one way, just kinda like giga in a sense. Just like power, like, uh, who has, who else would I say has step on? Like, Scarlet Witch definitely has step on me moments. Just like I've sexy power, you know, like sexy, powerful, like, oh, I'd let you step on me, like, crush me. You know, go for it. But also you got a little like submissiveness, like sexiness that you could play into it. People call him a mother, it's not because she'd be a good mom, Alex.

Alex: 1:29:12

Okay. This is making more sense.

Cozy: 1:29:14

You're connecting the dots. I mean, I, the word trying to connect the dots, it's kind of, you know, when you hear someone say, daddy, and they're over the age of 2118, you're like, why are they saying daddy? You know what I mean? And you know, you and you can kind. I never thought of that. Yeah.

Alex: 1:29:27

Now you, now I think you're ruining that for me

Cozy: 1:29:29

because your wife call you daddy or something.

Alex: 1:29:31

No, she doesn't. Just my, my kids. Call me daddy. Well, no, your kids can call you daddy. Oh, they're allowed to know. I I, I'm so confused what's happening. And so Are people supposed to call me daddy or no? No. If it flows

Cozy: 1:29:43

your bow,

Alex: 1:29:44

you were supposed to help me understand. Cozy. Do you wanna be called daddy? You just created

Cozy: 1:29:48

more questions. Would it make you uncomfortable if your wife was like, daddy, what are we doing tonight? I like it. I, I don't know that question. Be whatcha talking about I'm not your father. It's call your dad. Okay, there we've answered the kink question for Alex. Now. Mommy is there, there's, you know, it's, I wouldn't call your wife mommy, I guess. I don't want to get into the bedroom of Alex Ko. You know what, we're gonna move on. We're gonna go ahead and, uh, let that close our show. And in fact, we know the true listeners of this show if they made it through like very articulated October breakdown. And we end with Step On Me. Mommy. I really, uh, I in a way we even have the mailbag, but how do we can't taste more? I, how do we, how do we continue? Uh, we, we really can't continue, unfortunately. I'm like, I forgot we were even in the bail. I'm questioning my whole life here. That was, uh, that was great. I know more about Alex that I need to know. Well guys, I can tell you, uh, I'll, I'll definitely uh, miss it here for a few more weeks as, uh, I get, uh, things together here, but excited for the future at all. Alex, again, just so appreciate you, uh, three years now, but continuing just to, to carry the, the flame, uh, uh, of not just Snapchat, but Snap dude, I'll be honest, from even the segments I'm seeing there and, uh, as always do, just, just so much love for you guys. Love for the viewers and, uh, I thirsty to get back.

Alex: 1:31:01

Yeah, I listen, we all miss you. We do. But the amazing thing about Cozy Snap is that when you come back, my man, it's gonna be like you never left.'cause that's how talented you are. Looking forward to that day, my man. Looking forward to

Cozy: 1:31:13

the day. The only two people that call me Cozy Snap is you and Dexter and I love it. Like I've become Cozy, just everyone. And it's always my full legal name. Alex. It's Cozy Snap. And it's a same as, uh, Dexter says the same and I'm like. It throws me off. It brings me back. I love it. It's, uh, it, it keeps me, uh, keeps me grounded. But, uh, guys, I wanna say thank you so much for coming back a month later over here to my channel and, and entertaining us to, let's do dad's goers just hanging out and, uh, gimme a break from getting Pete on while I'm changing a diaper here in the early days. But, uh, as always, guys, much love you, Alex. Love you. And, uh, tell the next one, guys happy stepping.