From Costco to Snap Conspiracies | Jocasta Preview & Warlock Review | Top Cards of the Month | The Snap Chat Ep. 151

Will Warlock improve in the future meta? How has the bot behavior changed in Marvel Snap? What are the top-performing cards from last month? Join Alex Coccia and special guest Nina as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

You’ve been listening to The Snap Chat. Keep the conversation going on x.com/ACozyGamer and x.com/AlexanderCoccia. Until next time, happy snapping!

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Nina Welcome
• 0:40 Technical Difficulties and Conspiracy Theories
• 2:25 Bot Behavior and Matchmaking
• 8:37 Snap Packs and Engagement Tactics
• 12:08 Spending and Game Economy
• 15:22 Deadpool's Diner Event Review
• 27:17 Warlock Card Performance
• 31:14 Warlock's Redundancy and Narrow Usage
• 31:40 Deck Discussions: Hit Monkey and Black Swan
• 31:58 Rapid Card Releases and Their Impact
• 33:20 Warlock's Current State and Future Potential
• 34:39 Introducing Joe Costa: New Card Analysis
• 35:48 Exciting Card Combinations and Strategies
• 42:18 Cerebro Decks and Their High Potential
• 48:07 Top Cards of the Month: Popular Picks
• 58:46 Discussing Hella and Morgan le Fay Decks
• 1:00:23 Exploring Popular Marvel Snap Cards
• 1:02:05 Gwenpool's Popularity and Variants
• 1:03:00 Analyzing the Impact of Card Nerfs
• 1:07:59 Top Six-Drop Cards in Marvel Snap
• 1:15:46 Deadpool's Diner Event and Player Experience
• 1:18:21 Hope Summers and Card Power Creep
• 1:20:29 Bot Behavior and Game Experience
• 1:24:06 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell

Transcript

Alex: 0:00

Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the Snapchat. I'm joined today by a very special guest. Nina is new. Nina, how are you today, man? I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. You're one of my favorite content creators on the planet, and I say this truly, I actually think that you have some of not only the best, like thumbnails and editing, but general, like just you're so talented, not only from like a video production standpoint, but you're actually like an incredibly talented card game player as a whole. And, uh, no, no, I'm, listen, I'm not just trying to pump your ego out. I'm telling you, I that you super my head getting bigger and bigger. I know, but I, I, listen, I just wanna say it's, uh, it's great to finally have you on the podcast.

Nina: 0:39

Well, thank you so much for having me, Alex. I thought, uh, you know, last time you invited me when Cozy wasn't available, and I was so gutted I couldn't be on a podcast because my PC died on me. I remember how Sussy was. It was right after I made that video. It was like, that's it, I'm done with spending money on Snap. And then boom, next day my PC died. And I was like, you know, second dinner, hacked my pc, broke my PC and sabotaged it.

Alex: 1:04

No, I a hundred percent believe it. It's a known fact that second dinner has sabotage capabilities and it's one of the reasons why I try to not produce negative content on them. They'll literally take me down. Oh, that

Nina: 1:13

makes sense.

Alex: 1:13

Yeah, a hundred percent. Like you learned the hard way and it's, uh, I know you gotta also send Doge coin. I haven't anything

Nina: 1:17

bad since then.

Alex: 1:19

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta send them Bitcoin and Dogecoin every month too, to stay on their good books. You know what I mean? I had someone I don't remember where it was, it was on Discord or something like that. Someone linked it to me like, Hey Alex, did you see this conversation? I was like, what? They're like, they're like, Alex only gets to infinite every month because he sends Dogecoin to second dinner for favorable bot treatment. And like, people were actually like, it sounded like a joke, but they were dead serious. And everyone was actually discussing how like, I get better bots because second dinner knows me.

Nina: 1:46

I get those comments too. It's not just me. Are you kidding? I upload a YouTube video. It's not a, not Dogecoin and I call it do Doge Dogecoin. But the people say like she must have favorable matchups on purpose, that she probably tells second dinner she's about to play the game and they like give her easier opponents. I'm like, what?

Alex: 2:08

I thought it was just me. That is ridiculous. Who would ever actually believe that? Se like we notify secondary, yo, I'm going on ladder now. Give me those dirt bots. You know what I mean? Like.

Nina: 2:21

I wish. I hate the current bots. They're so hard.

Alex: 2:24

They're brutal, man. I, okay, so the last stream I ended was actually a warlock stream I was doing and uh, I was playing the game and like literally I was against this bot. I knew it was a bot too.'cause it had like 55,000 collection level and it was like, highest rank, 83. Oh Omega. Like, here we go. You

Nina: 2:38

know when you see that? Yeah. And

Alex: 2:40

like my old part of me, I just snapped. Turned one. I was like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna smoke this bot, get some making. Oh, you can't do that anymore. Can't do that anymore. And this bot started playing like. Literally omnipresent, like five had plays on me. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna die. I'm like, it's over. And then we were on turn six and it was like, you know, it's like four cubes flashing, eight. Everyone's like, Alex, leave, don't stay. Everyone's like, leave, leave, don't stay. I'm like, no, this is a bot. I'm gonna win. I'm not giving up four cubes in a retreat against the bot. And I stayed in the game. And when I tell you this bot, I don't even remember what happened, but I was like, yeah, we're done for the night. We'll see you guys later. Like it was an aq. Absolute just disaster loss. And like I, you're right, you can't do that against these bots anymore. Right. And it's, uh, they're absolutely ruthless.

Nina: 3:25

Okay. Now that explains the round you posted in the created discord afterwards complaining about bots. It was right after that stream, wasn't it?

Alex: 3:35

Okay. Um, now I'm a little, a little, uh, shy here. Yes. Right after that stream I went on a tirade on the crater discord where I was like, yo, whoever changed these bots, change'em back.

Nina: 3:48

No, I agree with you. The bots are too hard. They're not smart. The bots are too hard. Believe smart. They're also playing like top tier decks and they're still playing them well, like, what the hell?

Alex: 4:01

I know they're playing crazy decks and I ha okay. There was this one bot though I was against, this is a long time ago, where literally it was it felt like it's deck was like, it, it didn't make sense, and it felt like it was pulling from the entire cardpool, like it played Shadow King on me. Then it played like Shun Chi. It had like every tech card imaginable, and the deck made no sense. It played like Chavez and like what random stuff. I was like, what is it even doing? And then like, it destroyed me. I was like, I can't believe this.

Nina: 4:28

You know what people are gonna call, call me a conspiracy theorist, whatever, but I. Believe that the bot decks are built based on your deck sometimes. Like they have hundred percent. They have like the perfect counter to your deck.

Alex: 4:43

I'm just gonna say that. I thought I was crazy. You were validating all these feelings I've had. This is definitely like massive tinfoil hat stuff here. Like there's a good chance, like, like there's an intern somewhere that like was working on the bots and they're like, wow, they're just super tilted. We did not do any of this stuff. Right. No,

Nina: 4:59

no. I have full on have Liz Brain. I believe that the, the bot decks are based on your deck. If they want you to lose, they will have like the perfect concept. Ah, you know what? I also believe they, the game has matchmaking made to make you stick in the game. It's not

Alex: 5:19

like the engagement based matchmaking. Yes,

Nina: 5:21

yes, yes. Like in rivals. Have you heard of that? Oh my

Alex: 5:24

gosh, I've heard of that. That's okay. Now we're going down the rabbit hole.

Nina: 5:27

I believe it's, that's it's a thing because next time. When you lose to a bot, okay, close the game and then you, you like rage, quit the game, right? And then you reopen the game. Yeah, I did that. And you'll get an easy bot.

Alex: 5:43

Really? So every time I get demolished by a bot, I just quit the game immediately. Yeah. What if I just turn it back on right away?

Nina: 5:50

Yeah, that's what I do.

Alex: 5:52

Wait, hold on. Is this like actual five head like, and then you're gonna get a dirt bot after you get your cues back. Yeah. You

Nina: 5:57

get a dirt bot. So many times this happened to me. Not even exaggerating.

Alex: 6:02

I never thought of this. This makes perfect sense. It's entirely possible. Youre right. Because I wanted to

Nina: 6:06

know because I am really bad at stopping playing when I have like a losing streak. I will keep queuing, queuing'cause I'm losing. And that's like, I feel like that's teaching the game. If we keep making her lose, she'll keep playing the game. So I want the game to know, if you keep making me lose, I'm gonna quit the.

Alex: 6:27

This is like a crazy spiral. I like, I, I just, it's so funny. First of all, this was a totally unplanned conversation. I can't even believe this is where we're at right now.

Nina: 6:35

It's not even on the

Alex: 6:36

list. No. We're just kind of just ranting at this point. But it's so funny to hear you say that like it's entirely possible engagement based, matcha, matchmaking exists.'cause actually, now that you've mentioned that, so very commonly, I guess when I play a game against like a player and I'll lose a cubes, I often get a dirt bot after that game.

Nina: 6:54

Mm-hmm. Really?

Alex: 6:56

Yeah. I feel like I do. Well, yeah. If

Nina: 6:57

you lose too much, if you lose too many games, the game will feel bad for you and they'll give you a easy, easy bot, like a really stupid.

Alex: 7:05

Wow. But then what is the decision making around giving you these absolutely like ruthless, like electro level assassination bots that you get where like you just get absolutely destroyed? Like what's the decision making behind that?

Nina: 7:17

I feel like people are more likely to keep playing if they're losing.'cause like me, when I'm losing, I'm like, I'll play one more game. I don't wanna end on a loss. I'll just keep playing until I get one good game and then I quit. So the games thinks, oh, when she wins, she quits the game. Keep making her lose. But once in a while, throw in a win.

Alex: 7:39

This seems like some sort of like gambling fallacy. I, I'm not sure what it is, but this sounds like some like, oh, definitely Las Vegas, like blackjack style, like this is like the gambling spiral. This is how people like max out their credit cards in a casino

Nina: 7:51

mm-hmm. Type thing. Mm-hmm.

Alex: 7:52

Mm-hmm. I'm losing. I can't lose forever. They're eventually gonna give you my money back.

Nina: 7:55

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Alex: 7:57

Yeah. That's, I don't gamble. Lose slot machines are made of, listen, this might be amongst the most unhinged intros to a podcast I've ever recorded, but like, I feel like we needed to get all the conspiracy out there.

Nina: 8:07

I'll take that. I have, I have, I have more theories.

Alex: 8:11

Okay. Okay. Well this is, this is the perfect time to discuss them.

Nina: 8:15

Oh, now, now they all flew outta my head. Not that you put me on the spot

Alex: 8:19

now that I put you on the spot. Okay. Yeah. You know what? We'll have to have you on next time and we'll, just like the whole episode will just be like us talking about all your conspiracy Nina theories, but talking specifically about Nina and Snap, which is the official first. I also have, I just remembered

Nina: 8:32

one. Okay.

Alex: 8:32

Sorry. No, it's okay. No, you're allowed to interrupt my, uh, the thing about Snap packs transition.

Nina: 8:37

Do you know my theory about Snap packs?

Alex: 8:39

No. I don't know your theory about, have you ever gotten

Nina: 8:40

a God pack?

Alex: 8:41

Never gotten a God pack. Never.

Nina: 8:43

Okay. It's'cause you played the game too much.

Alex: 8:46

Okay. I like the, where we're going with this. Okay. Talk to, so Thep packs,

Nina: 8:50

up until recently, I never got a God pack. You know the pack where you get more than one card? But I had someone in my community who stopped playing Snap. Then he opened the game after like months and months of no playing and he got, he opened the fir the first Snap pack he opened. He got three cards.

Alex: 9:11

I mean, bless his heart, but also WTF.

Nina: 9:13

And then, uh, Aaron, my husband, he hadn't played the game for like a year. I was like, you have to check this theory. Open a Snap pack. He opened the game the first time he had to download the game. He opened the game, opened his first Snap pack, got two new cards.

Alex: 9:29

Unbelievable. Wow.

Nina: 9:31

Mm-hmm

Alex: 9:31

Hmm. I could see that being So you're saying like there's actual engagement, like AI in the background trying to manipulate us. I think if

Nina: 9:38

you come back to the game after not playing it for a bit, you are more likely to get a got pack.

Alex: 9:42

Okay, I'm gonna take this a step further. Next time I lose like an A Cuber, I'm not only gonna turn the game off, I'm gonna uninstall it from my phone or from Steam and then reinstall it. I wanna see if that makes a difference. I'm actually gonna remove it from my device and then re-put it on. I'll see if it is like I get a dirt bot after

Nina: 9:59

this. Only works pre infinite.

Alex: 10:02

Yeah. Okay. Because post anything, you

Nina: 10:03

don't get bots anymore. Although, no, I know people who think their bots post infinite pretending to be, uh, humans. I haven't noticed any.

Alex: 10:11

No, I don't feel like I've noticed that either.

Nina: 10:13

No.

Alex: 10:14

I've been taking like, the scenic route towards Infinite, the last couple of seasons. Oh yeah. Me too. Yeah. I've just, I honestly, it's just like for me, like I'm at a point with Snapper. I'm like, you know what I wanna play when I, when I'm like, I wanna play and like, the grind of like excessive grinding. I just have, I've just not been interested in it. I play a lot, honestly, but also I refuse to retreat.'cause like, I like, well listen, we're content creators. I always go for those. Like, there's a chance I can win this game. It's gonna make a great clip in the video and it's eight cubes. That's that's

Nina: 10:40

true. Yeah. If it's

Alex: 10:41

eight cubes, it's even more intense. Right. And then I go for it. Content

Nina: 10:44

Content matters more than rank.

Alex: 10:46

Yeah. A hundred when you're a content

Nina: 10:47

creator. Yeah. Yeah,

Alex: 10:48

I know. But I still retreat'cause

Nina: 10:49

I'm, I'm so stingy with my cubes.

Alex: 10:51

I'm not, I need to be, I need to be like, when people are begging me to retreat and chat too, that's where like I wanna stay even further. Like I just don't, I just don't wanna leave. Even though I should like against that bot where, which would tipped off this entire conversation. They were begging me to leave against this bot. The writing was on the wall.

Nina: 11:07

Well, you should have left, to be honest, because against the bot is not even good content. Nobody wants to see you dominate the bot. No,

Alex: 11:14

it was pride at that point. It wasn't about content, it was about pride. Like it was, it was a stubborn old man getting angry at his computer in front of a live audience. That's, that was what that was. Um, and the b got the better of me in that given situation. But I mean, okay, so the whole topic of discussion here was that, uh, you've had a complicated history. With Marvel Snap over the last couple of months. Yeah. And originally, like you posted like your, your now famous video, you know, I'm done. I remember your, I still picture your thumbnail in your hand in, in my head, right? Like, yeah, it was, it was, I mean, I think that like you're, again, you're editing your thumbnail stuff is like, topnotch and I just was like, oh man. And I watched it, I watched it twice actually.

Nina: 11:54

Oh, did you? Because I, I

Alex: 11:54

just, yeah.'cause I love what you had to say about it. And actually I wanna go back to that because, uh, at the time you had said that you were leaning towards going completely free to play. Mm-hmm. And it sounds as though in our, in our conversations prior to recording that, you've kind of eased off that a little bit, but not fully. So do you want to bring us into like, the full loop of like, where Nina is in Snap and spending and just your general ideas about like where the game's at right now?

Nina: 12:17

Mm-hmm. So, uh, I've been playing Snap since like, November, 2020. I think it 2021. When did it come out? I can't remember. Anyway, for a long time, like three years. And, um, I haven't been a huge whale. I'd say I've been like a dolphin. I've definitely tapered off on my spending in the last year or so because I used to buy all, like all the big bundles, you know, and uh, season pass every single month. But the last year I have already been spending that much. And I found it like I had so many collectors tokens saved up. I didn't need to spend that much money, just a season pass and a few small bundles here and there were kind of, you know, uh, sufficient. But then the whole thing with Kid Mega happened and it wasn't just how expensive it was, it was more like, this is the first time where we had limited game mode, where you kind of had to spend money in order to get the card, even unless you were like played the game for like 40 hours that week, just made it your full-time job. It was really, really hard to get the card. And it wasn't just that, it was more their reaction to the community. People were not happy about it, but they just kind of ignored us completely. And then they released that thing Friday afternoon before everyone went off

Alex: 13:36

weekend, the classic Friday afternoon. Like PR release? Yeah.

Nina: 13:40

And they just said, oh, this is, uh, yeah, this is what we planned. We're not planning on changing how generous we are in the future. We are just gonna be better at managing expectations. That's what they said, which probably meant to me, it meant like, oh, get used to this.

Alex: 13:56

Yeah. It's what to, that's red light. Yeah. This is what it's gonna be

Nina: 13:58

like from now on. And um, yeah, that was quite like shocking because usually they're quite open to feedback. I think when community criticizes them, they usually just kind of like try to meet us in the middle, you know? But that was very disappointing. And then another thing that really pushed me over the edge, I'd say was the super premium pass. Where in order to get the new card, which was fantastic card, right?

Alex: 14:25

Yeah.

Nina: 14:26

You had to basically pay extra 10 pounds on top of the, uh, premium pass. So it was like premium pass and then super premium pass. It was just, it was just too much. I think they were just asking too much of the players and I just, I don't know, I just felt very disappointed in depths and everything and I just decided to maybe stop spending money, make the video, and to vote with my wallet.'cause videos don't seem to help. Uh, feedback in the Discord doesn't seem to help. So it was more like my desperate move to try to change things, which I don't, I don't think can change much. But they did take on the feedback about Super Premium Pass. They did change it so that you can now get the super premium pass card with tokens. If you want to, even though it's actually better value to just buy the super premium pass, isn't it?'cause you get the variant, you get the base card and everything. And then we had the Deadpools Diner, which was so generous and I, that was like the most, I played the game in like the last year probably. Yeah, me too.'cause I just, I played it so much for the nachos, for all the cosmetics and all for the emotes and everything. And I was actually having a good time because so many people in that posts diner were, um, getting all these emotes and people were actually using emotes, you know? Did you notice that?

Alex: 15:46

I did notice it, yeah. Yeah. People were using OTs and also like, there's a lot of like actual like companionship of like, Hey, fist bump. Yeah, I'm losing. And you, and then both retreating on turn four and stuff like that. Like there was like, it brought the humanity back into the community. You know what I mean?

Nina: 16:00

Definitely. Because I usually am super triggered by emails. I'm one of those, you know, what's they call. I dunno, not snowflake, but um, I get super triggered by people emoting me, like, say. I lose and they like, give me a thumbs up or something. Or like, oh yeah, that's,

Alex: 16:16

that's just disrespect that I'm with you on that. Like I, yeah, I hate that. Yeah. Dexter told me he was in my stream at one point, and every time after I win or lose, no matter what I do, I always fist bump. It's just one of those things I do. I just always hit that fist bump. I just sometimes don't even think about it.

Nina: 16:29

Yeah.

Alex: 16:29

And he's like, wow. So BM I was like, what? I fist bumped. He's like, you can't fist bump after you win. He's like, that's so rude. I was like, what? That's that. How's that rude? And then sure enough, in uh, the next stream he was doing, I, I was in his chat and I was like, yo, fist bump after the next one you win. He's like, no, I can't do that. That's rude. I'm like, no, do it. He wins the game. He fist bump and the other person did the choline Wing. Like, I was like, no way. I'm like, how is that possible? I'm like, that's not bad mannered at all. And so like, I can totally see why some people do get triggered by the emotes. I think they're cool. Like I was told that the Jeff, the Jeff and Juice one is like mm-hmm. Like disrespectful. It's like, come on, it's Jeff sipping a juice box. Like, what are we talking about here?

Nina: 17:08

Oh, I, I don't know. I think Jeff can be a little bit of like a, a dis

Alex: 17:14

really.

Nina: 17:15

Come on. Yeah, a little bit. It depends on, on like how you are using it, but I, I think my new favorite one is the, is the goose one. I feel like that one is very hard to make it toxic. The goose one, I don't even know

Alex: 17:25

what it means. It doesn't even make sense.

Nina: 17:27

Exactly. It's just a cute cat.

Alex: 17:30

Yeah. I think the red guardian one where he kind of has the thing on his head is a good one too. I don't think anyone can interpret that as like, disrespectful. Um, the Red Guardian? Yeah. Well he, it's like for some reason he's blue, isn't it? But I'm pretty sure it's Red Guardian. Oh

Nina: 17:42

yeah, that one. Oh yeah. Yeah. He look so like nervous

Alex: 17:45

one too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, my favorite one

Nina: 17:47

is the, um, oh, the, the red bird. What is it called?

Alex: 17:51

Red one? The one

Nina: 17:51

that goes like, yeah.

Alex: 17:53

That good? Yeah. But that's I think one of the, um, that's like one of the album ones though, I think.'cause I don't have that one.

Nina: 17:59

I have that one.

Alex: 18:00

Do you I've always wanted the Enc Chara Hearts one. Do you know the one with all the Enchanters and she's hugging the hearts?

Nina: 18:06

No, I don't have that one. I have no idea what all, I didn't have that many moats up until that pools diner.'cause I never spent gold on them. I thought they were too expensive.

Alex: 18:14

I they are too expensive. That's why everyone went crazy for them, right? Yeah. But like, what I'll say was, uh, I only bought a couple, like with Real, real Money. I remember I was at, in Boston at Pax with Cozy when they released the gr like retreat button one. And I'm like, it's 50 bucks. What a waste of money button. I want this retreat button.'cause I just want it. So I, I spent the 50 bucks there. This was like years ago now. And then the other one I bought was the Beast one. The Beast where he is like sipping the martini type thing. Oh,

Nina: 18:39

that one is so good. It's from Jenga, isn't it? Yeah.

Alex: 18:42

But that's, that can be tilting though. I think that one's a little disrespectful depending on its usage. No, that one

Nina: 18:46

is super tilting. Yeah.

Alex: 18:47

Yeah. So I try to, we're gonna one, get cold out

Nina: 18:49

so much in, in the comments.

Alex: 18:52

Yeah. That we're getting triggered

Nina: 18:53

by all these, you know, cartoon characters.

Alex: 18:56

Yeah. I even, I actually saw somebody, so I was like, I was in a game against another creator and at the start of the game when I recognized them, I did Spider-Man point fist bump, and they never responded. And then later on I was like, oh, I was curious. I wanna see the game

Nina: 19:10

name them,

Alex: 19:11

I don't wanna name them. And I was like, I'll check out, I'll check out their stream afterwards, like their va to see like, oh, what they were saying during the game and stuff like that. I knew that too. They saw my fist my, they saw my point in fist bump and they just muted me. I was like, come on man. Trying to be, trying to be, what's your new

Nina: 19:27

name?

Alex: 19:28

That. Yeah. I'm just gonna put them on full blast here on the podcast. No,

Nina: 19:31

what's your name on in game? Maybe they didn't recognize you. Oh, it's,

Alex: 19:34

oh, maybe it's Octm. Yeah. Oh yeah. Maybe they didn't, it's not Recognize you not my full legal name on the, on like my in game name or whatever. I guess that's true. So in their defense, no, but I'm almost 99% positive. Even their chat was like, yo, that's Alex. So they got a hundred percent new man. They a hundred percent new. But anyways, that's a whole other conversation. But, uh, oh,

Nina: 19:51

yeah, you tell me after the podcast who it was. Yeah,

Alex: 19:54

yeah. I'll tell you. I'll tell off record. Okay. But, but yeah. Yeah. But anyways, um, so long story short so you went, you went, oh yeah. So I went free to play. Free to play, yeah.

Nina: 20:03

For two months. But after that was diner. You know what I, I think that we need to reward second dinner for good behavior. You know, like when you're training a dog, like when they do something good, you need to give them a treat. So I want them to come out of Deadpools Diner, having made some money'cause they were so generous. I tell people we're actually spending money on the mode. No, after everyone's diner, I bought Season Pass beautiful for Viv, uh, vision and she wasn't that great of a card, but I'm excited to experiment with her a little bit. I have this, uh, Viv Vision Galactus deck in mind that I wanna try out. But yeah. Um, but you know what, I noticed another conspiracy theory. Up until I had the vision, I didn't encounter her at all on ladder, like maybe two, three times. But once I bought her so many other revision decks,

Alex: 20:57

it's entirely possible though that one could be explained by the fact she got buffed.

Nina: 21:01

Oh,

Alex: 21:03

yeah. Because I would say, because like if I'm trying to be like really like, okay, like the five head chess, if V Vision is, is good and they want you to buy it, you're gonna be playing against V Vision every game.

Nina: 21:14

Mm-hmm. That's true. Yeah. I think you're right. She did get buffed, I I about that.

Alex: 21:19

So that, that one might be more tinfoil had than the others. The other ones I'm all board on, but this one here, I think there might be a, a logic gap. This one's

Nina: 21:26

too much. Is it?

Alex: 21:27

This one's too deep now. We're too far. We're too far. But I actually wanna say, I, I agree with you and I hope that, um, I like the sediment there. The idea of like, you know what, you guys were very generous with this game mode. I'm having a very positive experience in the game.

Nina: 21:40

I'm

Alex: 21:40

gonna buy the season pass. I'm gonna support the game. This was a fun month. Thank you. You know what I mean? Think that's, and I feel bad. Awesome. I feel

Nina: 21:45

about

Alex: 21:45

spending money

Nina: 21:46

because, you know, when, when I feel good about the game, I, I feel good about spending money on it.

Alex: 21:53

Yeah. No, I agree.

Nina: 21:54

But when I feel like they're trying to rip me off and asking me for money every single day, then I don't really wanna spend money.

Alex: 22:01

Yeah. And I guess this is kind of like we're kind of into our topic of Deadpool's Diner view. You, when we switch screens, you'll see it was supposed to be one of our topics. I guess we're just doing it now. We liked it. But one thing I'll say is that like, I do think that the community expectation though, has to be tapered for future events.

Nina: 22:15

Oh yeah.

Alex: 22:15

I'm convinced this was an accident. Like, oh, I, I think so too. They're saying that like, oh, like we intended to be like this. I'm like, bro, there's no way you meant to, no, there's way This was, was like horrible math by an intern somewhere. And like you guys didn't know how to change it back, so you just left it. Or you could have changed it back, but the PR disaster wasn't worth it. Mm-hmm. And so you just left it, which is cool. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. Yeah, definitely. But at the same time I just wanna say community, everyone listening, we can't be mad when if they dial this, this next one back. We can't have every single game mode like this. Because this was, this was a treat, but you can't have treats all the time. You can't have always cream for dinner. That's like Christmas

Nina: 22:48

came early.

Alex: 22:49

Yeah, we just gotta accept that. Like we can't have Kid Omega again if they do that, like I'm out. Don't. No, no, no, no, no. Don't you dare go too far the other way. But we can't, we have to like get realistic about what these future game modes are for the most part. Definitely. And if we can find some middle ground between for instance, the, uh, the way they had done something like, uh, obviously the Deadpools Diner and like the usual game modes we were expecting like, ah, you know, yeah. Something in the middle would be good. Yeah. Somewhere in the middle is totally fine, but if you wanna give us this more often, that's fine too. Thank you.

Nina: 23:19

Yeah. Even like, I'm thinking even if this Deadpools Diner everything was double the price, it still would've been fine. You know, instead of 1000 nachos for Emos, 2000 nachos. That's totally reasonable. Yeah. Like I would've been happy to pay that.

Alex: 23:33

Man, you know, what's a missed opportunity? If they want to make more money, what they should have done, if they were gonna be handing out nachos like this, they should have had like some sort of Doritos sponsorship tie in because like we were, we were consuming nachos. Nachos was the topic of discussion in Marvel Snap for like an entire week or whatever. And I'm just saying there's definite brand synergy there. If Doritos wants to, wants to sponsor the next Deadpools diner, I'm here for that because I think it's a good idea.'cause we love nachos.

Nina: 23:59

Oh, I do love nachos. I got some today actually from little really.

Alex: 24:03

Costco do, do you guys have has? Yeah we have like, okay, so at Costco, which is the only place I shop, honestly they have like these, like, they always get these new versions of nachos made by chefs where they'll like have like, oh, this is like habanero, spiced, pineapple flavored nachos, and it sounds terrible. I, I saw that face. But then you eat it and you're like, hell yeah. This is the best nacho of all time. And every month they have like a different, like, like chef's flavor right now. It's like some na uh, late night cheeseburger flavor. I'm like, that sounds actually bad. So I didn't get it. But I'm in for nacho flavors and variety.

Nina: 24:35

We don't have that at our Costcos.

Alex: 24:37

Really? You're missing out. British

Nina: 24:40

Costcos are kind of boring, I think.

Alex: 24:42

Really?

Nina: 24:44

Well, I mean, it's still fun to go there. It's like, you know, a fun day out for me.

Alex: 24:48

You know what, it's, it's a fun day out every time I go there too. I agree. Actually, it's funny'cause just yesterday, uh, Husky puppies a former guest on the podcast. Um, he was at Costco and he sent me a message, he's like, yo, I'm at Costco. Is there anything you wanna see? And I was like, like out the blue? I'm like, yes. Take a photograph of the menu of the food court. I wanna see the regional food court. I want to know what's there. And so, where's he from? He's from the state somewhere. I didn't actually ask his physical location. I'm like, let me doc him. Here's his address. Yeah. But, uh, I have an idea where he is from. But anyways so yeah, he sent it. It was so cool because like, they had like a, a different type of like, like different like sandwich and their menu was totally different than what we have here. And I was like, that's kind. What do you have on your

Nina: 25:28

menu?

Alex: 25:29

Uh, we have like, uh, like a pulled pork sandwich thing. We have the hotdog, of course the hotdogs very consistent. We have different forms of ice cream. We have sundaes. We have uh, we have like this, like poutine, which is, you guys know, oh yeah, I know. I had

Nina: 25:40

pout.

Alex: 25:41

Yeah. Yeah, so we have like a special poutine. It was pretty cool. And they had, oh, pizza as well. They used to have chicken wings, but they got rid of them. I was so sad. Oh, because they would give you like a bucket of chicken wings for like 1999. Oh my God. It was way too many chicken wings. And then they, you'd be like, they'd be like, what kind of sauce do you want? Or like, I don't know, barbecue sauce. It would give, they'd give you like a pound of barbecue sauce for no reason like that. This is way too much. I guess I have sauce with the, well, the one that they removed it

Nina: 26:05

from the menu probably wasn't making them a lot of money.

Alex: 26:08

Doesn't seem like it was very profitable, I'll be honest with you, but

Nina: 26:11

the hotdog is not profitable.

Alex: 26:13

No, but the hotdog is like, that is an institutional requirement. Yeah. There are some things you can't make money on in the hotdog is one of them. You just have to provide that service to the people.

Nina: 26:21

And the chicken, apparently the rotisserie chicken, that's not profitable either from what I heard.

Alex: 26:26

It's

Nina: 26:26

a LOF fee. I've heard that

Alex: 26:27

I, I saw some stat that Costco was like the number one purchaser of, or distributor of chicken in the world or something. Like the amount of actual chicken that they push on a daily basis far exceeds anyone else. And you think like, it'd be like KFC or something, but apparently it's Costco. This don't fact check this. I might be wrong. I dunno. Ask cha GBD. But I remember seeing that at some point.

Nina: 26:49

cause every time, you know, when you run out of chicken and then the new chicken's about to come out, there's always a queue of people waiting for fresh chicken.

Alex: 26:57

Oh, that's right. Like they run out of the actual like rotisserie chicken. Yeah. I, I, yeah. Okay. Wow. Yeah, I guess there is always a line there.

Nina: 27:04

Mm.

Alex: 27:05

We're gonna be talking about a warlock and review. We Okay. Let's give a quick breakdown of what we're actually talking about. We can talk about Warlock Ocosta preview. We already did our Deadpools Diner review. We're gonna talk about the top cards in the month according to the statistics and the Snapchat mail. But we've got a couple dos in there, by the way. But Warlock unfortunately Warlock has come out and I think it's underperforming,

Nina: 27:22

unfortunately.

Alex: 27:24

Yeah, because I was excited for this card. Now I came in at like, me Too, a four star range in preview. Cozy was 4.5 stars. Oh my God. In his defense last week in preview banks came in at two and a half and I think Bink might've, might've cooked proper 42% win rate at 9% popularity for Warlock. And even the top performing decks of High Evo are technically just a little bit running a negative cube rate at a 49% win rate. It's heartbreaking.

Nina: 27:50

That's sad. You know what though? I think it's because it's his week. Oh, of course. And everyone is running Mobius. That always happens with the new card. Easily countable with like one single card. If it's affliction card, everyone's playing new cage. If it's energy choosing, everyone's playing Mobius. Yeah. So he might get better once, you know, it's no longer his spotlight week.

Alex: 28:14

And also there's something to be said about the card we'll be previewing momentarily, which may in fact improve Warlock as well. U Costa, Joe Costa, I'm not even sure how you're supposed to say it, I still don't know, but Joe Costa, I think it's Joe Costa. Joe Costa. But anyways, it's an activate car. Warlock might benefit this week too. But what I will say though is that like I had fun playing Evo again and I actually ranked up very efficiently playing Warlock and Evo. And I think part of it was that I didn't actually come across many Moby Semi Mobius. I just didn't. And uh,

Nina: 28:42

really,

Alex: 28:43

no, I didn't. Which kind of surprising. I played

Nina: 28:45

Mobius every third game when I played Warlock.

Alex: 28:48

Well, when we talk about the top cards of the month, I am, I don't wanna spoil it, but we're gonna talk about Mobius'cause he's the top three cost of the month. So like you're a hundred percent right. Your experience would trend with what I think everyone else saw too.

Nina: 28:59

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 29:00

Um, and this is a classic thing though, when, like, do you guys remember when, like a nihilist came out? This is a great example that always stays in my head. So nihilist comes out and that card because like of just the way the meta was at the time, it was so hard to play. And then once a nihilist kind of was out like a week or two. All of a sudden his decks became the top performing ones. And then something like a warlock is even more susceptible to the week it comes out, because you're right, if there's one catchall for it, like Moby just destroys it. Just like when Diamondback came out. Mm-hmm. Diamondback's an amazing card. Yeah. But you just play Luke Cage and the whole thing sucks. And like, it's just no point in like even trying to get proper stats that first week because mm-hmm. Luke Cage just dismantles anything that Diamondback's trying to do. Exactly. Diamondback's a sick card, but it doesn't show that first week. And so are you suggesting that Warlock might actually age a little better thanks to, uh, Mobius and Mobius?

Nina: 29:51

I don't know. I, because I think any deck that Warlock is going to be in is going to rely on also Sunspot. And she Huk, right? Yeah. And those decks are also basically killed by Mobius. And Mobius is just such a catchall for all the energy cheating cards. I don't see him ever going out of. Fashion, I'd say he's just too good of a card.

Alex: 30:16

Yeah. And I think that Mobius prevents pixie from getting buffed.'cause I've been saying for the longest time that I think that Pixie needs to be a one drop. Just like Loki, they're very similar designs. But if you buff pixie too much, then Pixie Mobius is such a good line that it's just gonna be everywhere into the meta and it's gonna just feel awful. And even with Warlock specifically, you brought up she hawk. So I actually have a little bit of beef with this. And it's not necessarily the game, it's the design of the cards that, like with Warlock, when you float turn five or six or whatever you happen to be doing, she hawk will take all these incidental pops. Yeah. And then then float her energy. So she's kind wasting,

Nina: 30:51

it's really annoying the Warlock

Alex: 30:52

pros. Right. So I think that, like I was wondering if the best versions of Warlock are not actually gonna be in a she Hawk based deck.'cause you actually minimize the impact quite a bit. But those are the types of decks that wanna float energy so aggressively. I tried it in Surfer and it felt rough. It didn't feel great. It just didn't feel right. So like, yeah, I don't know that that interaction with She Hulk I think really limits its ceiling.

Nina: 31:14

It's really annoying. You think they should work together, but they kind of clash, don't they?

Alex: 31:19

They do. Yes. They absolutely clash. And I found that that was kind of interesting and I don't know if it must be intended. I'm sure they tested it, but it's disappointing because like it's actually just a waste. It's a waste of these. Yeah, it's such a

Nina: 31:30

waste and it makes Warlock redundant. And also it's just, I feel like his usage is very narrow. Yeah. He only really fits in like what three decks max. He's a high Evo. And then there's that deck, uh, came best made. That was pretty fun with Hit Monkey. Have you tried that one?

Alex: 31:45

Yes, I did see that too. That was the one that uh, it ran um, black Swan too, right?

Nina: 31:49

No, no, it ran Mobius.

Alex: 31:52

Oh no, I'm thinking about a different deck.'cause I did see the Warlock Black Swan one a bunch. Yeah. Okay. I was thinking about a different list. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing though, and this is something that I think, I don't remember who I discussed it with, but they're releasing so many cards so fast so often that like cards don't get a chance to breathe. Like you don't really get to cook with them that much. Like, no, when I was playing, uh, so Dexter was doing his daon and we were playing, he played fire word. I'm like, I literally have never seen that animation before. I've never played it myself and no one's ever played it against me. And I'm like, and I haven't even tried to make a deck for fire, Lord. Like I can't even Yeah, same. I can't even remember what he does, honestly. And it's like one of those things where it's like, there are so many cards coming out so often that like, it's so easy to just like, just not actually like play with them all and give them all a legitimate shot. Agree.

Nina: 32:38

Yeah. That's the thing. Like, um, what's the other card that came out of fire? Lord, the three drop Destroy the air. I've

Alex: 32:44

not played this at all either.

Nina: 32:44

That's the thing. Like I, when I was playing with Dexter as well yesterday for his daon, uh, we, the draft battle and that's what we did. I got this card and I'm like, I don't even know what this card does. Yeah. Had to like look it up to see what it does.

Alex: 32:59

Yeah, it's crazy because like it's unfortunate that like some of these cards are just being released so fast

Nina: 33:05

mm-hmm.

Alex: 33:05

That they don't really get a chance to shine because for what it's worth, fire alert. Actually the animation's super cool. The card seems pretty cool, but like it's just, we gotta move on to the next thing. Right. You just gotta move on. We gotta move on to Yeah. It's too fast. Yeah. Warlock coming out or whatever. Right. Yeah. There's always something coming out. And so, uh, yeah. Overall, like what are your general thoughts on Warlock? I feel like he is a skip.

Nina: 33:25

Oh yeah. Yeah. Definitely a skip. I, I was disappointed because I had high expectations for him, but after trying him out for a bit I think the main thing, if they fixed the interaction with she Hulk, he would be much better.

Alex: 33:37

Oh, for sure. I absolutely agree. But in his current

Nina: 33:39

state, I think, well, he will get better as soon as, you know, uh, Mobius is no longer so popular, but with so many have you noticed there's so many Mr. Negative texts running around?

Alex: 33:49

Yeah. And they even kind of, they nerfed it quick. Uh, actually we're not talking about the OTA specifically, uh, today, but like the change to mystique is significant. Right? Because they basically made it so that Gene Foster can't pull mystique anymore, which is a massive Nerf to negative, right? Um, yeah. But yeah, I've been seeing a ton of Mr. Negative lately.

Nina: 34:04

Yeah.

Alex: 34:05

Um, so as long as there, there's so

Nina: 34:06

much Mr. Negative Mobius is going to be around.

Alex: 34:09

Yeah. And I, I mean, and Mobius is a very important like valve for that exact solid deck, right? Which'cause like Mr. Negative is a very difficult deck to go into. Turn four, sorry, turn four, uh, turn six or seven with against four or eight cubes.'cause like, it's the amount of power it puts insane. Yeah, I don't know man. I, I just think that like, at the end of the day, while I'm excited for warlocks future, I feel like today it's a skip. Especially with, uh, the very thematic season we have upcoming. And that's gonna take us to Joe Costa, um, who is going to be the new card releasing this week. It'll be entering the Snap Hacks as a Series five card. It reads, activate immediately, activate your other cards here without using up their activate ability. So I actually think this is a really cool card and anytime you have like these very combo centric cards, there's a chance that the ceiling becomes far too high on certain decks. Like I'm a little nervous about like the Invisible Woman, fantastic car style lists, which I think that like are really gonna like this particular card. But what I will say though is I think the thing I love the most about this card is the versatility it provides for other activates to be played on Turn six. Yes.'cause you can, yeah, right? Because you can you play a, your

Nina: 35:26

casta first.

Alex: 35:27

Yes. Because

Nina: 35:28

usually if you play Activate card on six, you can't activate. Right? You have to wait a turn. And with your Casta, you can.

Alex: 35:34

Which I thought is really cool. That's a really cool design. I'm just wondering if everything else is gonna ruin it. If everything else can be like, oh, we thought it was bad with this invisible woman. Hold my beer because Joe Costa's here, you know that run down intentionally.

Nina: 35:48

Well, I had a look through all the activate cards and I think there's gonna be some really spicy combinations.

Alex: 35:53

Yeah, I've

Nina: 35:53

got my little notes here. Lemme check.

Alex: 35:55

Okay. Go through those notes. Hit me up.

Nina: 35:57

Any future activate cards should also affect them. So any future activate cards will need to be, you know, kind of balanced around her as well. That's such a good point. So always you have the invisible woman prodigy thing, like, can you actually do Invisible Woman followed by JE and then caster?

Alex: 36:15

Yeah, probably that. How

Nina: 36:16

many, how many pros is that?

Alex: 36:18

Yeah. And you be asking, put Fantastic car in that lane too.

Nina: 36:21

Oh my God. Right, because fantastic car's an activate.

Alex: 36:23

Yeah.

Nina: 36:23

So you have all of those in one location and then you, first you activate your Casta, then you activate your Invisible Woman Prodigy Info Testa, and then it's just you're sitting there for 10 minutes waiting for the animation.

Alex: 36:36

Yeah. And you know the fast forward's not gonna work.

Nina: 36:38

No, it's not gonna work. It only works on Modoc.

Alex: 36:41

Yeah. Oh yeah. Modoc, if you modoc anything you can just modoc not even swarms in your hand and that fast word's popping off. But yeah, like it's, it always

Nina: 36:47

annoyed me so much because you kind of want to know what they discarded.

Alex: 36:51

It almost ruined my enjoyment of the Bullseye Deck because like you never see anything happening.

Nina: 36:56

Oh, true. I feel

Alex: 36:57

like they toned it down a bit because I feel like I've seen the animation a few, few more times.'cause I barely even remembered what the Bullseye animation was because it was always being skipped. Like I never actually saw anything. And then like, oh look, someone played Odin Wong Mystique like Iron Heart or whatever. And sure enough, yeah, that's sit there minutes. That's for 45 minutes. Yeah. Don't fast forward this guys'cause it's. Yeah, whoever made that code that is some serious spaghetti code. But I was thinking about some other stuff too. And it's funny'cause they actually did, they, buff Lock Jaw Lockjaw can be used with uh, Yokota and what's interesting, I'm just gonna use Jokasta and Yokota interchangeably. I don't dunno. You guys can't stop me. I, and the thing I'll say is that like, remember old Lock jaw, like Lock Lockjaw, Thanos, stuff like that where like you were just feeding stuff into Lock Jaw like crazy Uhhuh. This almost gets that feel back a little bit because like the nice thing about the new lock jaw is you could play the card anywhere. You don't need the lockjaw location's. True. So I feel Yeah, you don't have to close that location. Yes, yes. And so like, uh, I feel like it could be cool with Lockjaw to be honest with you, especially since you just buffed it.

Nina: 37:58

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even think of Lock Jaw. I only really played lock jaw in the Helleck. But speaking of hella, we could maybe combine Jakarta with hell cow, Jata then hella on last turn.

Alex: 38:11

Okay.

Nina: 38:12

To discard. That's. And speaking of bullseye. Bullseye with jaa would be pretty toxic. It would. It would be. If you have like a bunch of swarms, your Mobius and and collector would grow like insanely big.

Alex: 38:27

Yeah, you're right. Because those, those swarms would just replicate and then like, you'd have like five or six in your hand and then you'd Pound'em again. It'd be even crazier if you do, like, I, I don't know if this would work, it might be really dumb, but you do like bullseye into frika. Into bullseye into Yo Costa. Then what the hell is your last turn? I dunno. I'm losing track because is that combo possible? Maybe then it's like. Mode. I dunno.

Nina: 38:51

Maybe.

Alex: 38:51

I think I intern. You lost me.

Nina: 38:53

There's too much brain power required to, to too much.

Alex: 38:55

No, you talking about, I, I got confused myself while I was saying it. So obviously not enough Brain Power was utilized in making that, that point. But, um, yeah, bullseye is pretty cool too. Um, I was actually thinking about King Eat Tree now. This sounds like Super Cope. I know. I'm sorry.

Nina: 39:08

Oh, I know,

Alex: 39:09

I know. But we've been had we've had a lot of cards adding to the deck. Mm-hmm. And specifically you have like, oh, the Kang, the new Kangs and you could do King Eat Tree and Yo Costa and you could do like Emoto and you could start just pulling stuff out of the deck. I, it, it could be interesting, right? But it's too always too slow I think.

Nina: 39:28

I don't know. But you still, you have to, in those decks, you have to draw the jaa and king eye tree. So I don't know about that. But you know what would be super juicy?

Alex: 39:37

Let's hear it.

Nina: 39:38

Lasher, Ooh plus Jocasta.

Alex: 39:42

That

Nina: 39:42

is pretty cool. They activate your other cards here. So you'll actually activate the lasher without activating the lasher. Yeah. So you will calculate Lasher's power, not her own power, right?

Alex: 39:54

Yes. The only challenge I see, yeah. Use Lasher's Power Lash year. I've been only, okay. The only place I'm playing Lash year. I know you could play in cerebral. I've, I've been playing lots of cerebral, but I, I've been playing lasher a lot in, um,

Nina: 40:05

Nomura, in like

Alex: 40:06

Nomura.

Nina: 40:06

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 40:07

And you wouldn't be able to put your Costa unless you did it after you did the Nomura pump. But then I don't think you can'cause Nomura's not five. No, you

Nina: 40:12

can't. No, no, you're right. Yeah, it's probably just too much.'cause usually you can't just win the lash location with Lasher on its own.

Alex: 40:20

I like how you're qualifying it, like we're coping a bit and I just finished talking about King Eat Tree and you're like, oh, don't worry Alex. But okay. I have, I have a, I have a spicy one. I got a spicy one and I, I'm almost, I almost didn't wanna say this out loud'cause if anybody does this to me, then I'm going to delete the game. But I was thinking about Black Widow. So you play Black Widow. Oh no, you activate it. No, that's, you play your Costa on top of Black Widow and then you can immediately activate her again. Next turn and shoot another widow's. So you're denying two draws, which is awful.

Nina: 40:49

That's so evil.

Alex: 40:50

Yeah, it's disgusting, but I

Nina: 40:52

don't know if it's worth the investment.'cause you're spending so much energy on a turn three and turn four or turn four and turn five. Setting it up.

Alex: 41:00

I know it's not, not, but it might be worth it. Worth it. It might be worth it. But denying two draws. And I was also thinking like, okay, but that's turn and four, the deck

Nina: 41:07

maybe.

Alex: 41:08

Yeah, that's turn three and four. But what if your turns one and twos are also synergistic? So like, what if you also have other activates? Like what if you're spider hamming, like boom, that card's useless. Here's a the thing to your hand. Boom, another card's useless. Like you're doing all this stuff to just ruin their entire game plan. You

Nina: 41:24

know what I mean? Yeah. And do a corg and rock slide.

Alex: 41:28

Yeah. Oh, you're

Nina: 41:28

not drawing your cards. But if you are drawing your cards, you're drawing rocks only.

Alex: 41:32

Exactly. So I was thinking about like, how else can you convo it so that like other inexpensive activates go with widows. Uh, widows kiss and block Widow. So Widow's Bite, I should say not widow's kiss. That's actually

Nina: 41:43

so evil.

Alex: 41:44

It is pretty good. I don't

Nina: 41:44

like that.

Alex: 41:45

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have brought it up. I told you I didn't wanna bring it up, but I did anyways.

Nina: 41:49

It's also Mega Sentinel. That's quite a spicy card.

Alex: 41:52

It's one of my favorite cards of the season, to be honest with you.

Nina: 41:55

I once played it in, um, it was the one with the bar sin bar sinister. Oh

Alex: 42:01

wow. And that was so

Nina: 42:02

juicy.

Alex: 42:04

Yeah. C3. Insane. It was C3.

Nina: 42:06

Yeah, it was C3 and yeah. Bar sinister. That was so good.

Alex: 42:10

Well, yeah, Jossa, Costa's gonna go in C3. Like you literally can use Omega sentiment and Yo Costa into c3.

Nina: 42:16

Oh my God.

Alex: 42:18

So cerebral

Nina: 42:18

is already too good I think these days.

Alex: 42:20

Cerebral. Okay. So a lot of people don't realize this in terms of like straight up point output. C3 might be amongst like the absolute biggest point decks in the game. Like if you, if you think about what happens when, like you bask your cerebral mystique and then you have like everything else happening with, even with Bastion now. Yeah. Like the ceiling is so high, it's stupid. Yeah. Like those decks are crazy. And so that's why I think in some respect, like second dinner might have been right to not Nerf Enc Chara too much because I think we actually need ENC Chara right now because cerebral is one of those. Like obviously it's gonna piss you off. Like you're gonna cue your first cerebral game, you're gonna get Monster Island and then like you're gonna tilt out. Like that's what's gonna happen. Right? It's always the location screwed nonstop. But with that being said, like it is insanely point centric. Like actually going one V one with cerebral feels awful if they're not getting scammed.

Nina: 43:11

Yeah. Yeah. The only thing holding back cerebral is the locations

Alex: 43:16

a hundred percent. But something has to hold it back.

Nina: 43:19

Or you can just, one mention is clog. That's always fun and fight for something big to their side.

Alex: 43:23

Clog is fun for you, but not for them. That's what they, but that's the

Nina: 43:27

point. You know?

Alex: 43:28

I know.

Nina: 43:29

I, I don't want my potent to have fun.

Alex: 43:31

When I was taking Deadpools Diner too seriously at the start where I was like, I didn't realize how forgiving and awesome it was. I was playing clog. Oh my. I was having fun with it. Then I realized, wait a minute, I'm getting all these nachos and I'm already, I already got danger. I already have all these cards. Do I need to do this? No, I'm just gonna play Kang over and over and over again.

Nina: 43:51

Yeah. I was like that too. At first I was playing know W Tech Soup and I was taking it so seriously, but then later on I was like, I'm just gonna play aga Alpha and let the game play it for me without thinking. Gotcha. But usually a lot of time you just honestly Snap, Snap and retreat on turn four.

Alex: 44:06

Yeah. Fi, fist bump

Nina: 44:08

games were like retreat

Alex: 44:09

later. I did have some people, like a lot of people, I don't think they understood the, you both retreat later. No one loses. Loses their, their bs. I got scammed a couple times, but it's okay guys. I'm not upset about it. I still love you. It's fine. I, I've never

Nina: 44:21

scammed, I've never been scammed.

Alex: 44:23

You've never been scammed. So maybe they're just intentionally scamming me. They're like, yo, hate this guy Ripped this guy's cubes off. No, but I did scammed

Nina: 44:29

someone on, not on purpose before I found out it was a thing. It was someone from my community too, and he's like, what are you doing? You're supposed to retreat.

Alex: 44:38

There was one dude who legit, I did the, we did the fist bumps and everything like that. I did retreat later and then he played a card and I just lost and he gave me the Miss Marvel thumbs up. Oh. And then he gave me the Deadpool. Oh my. I was like, you son of a gun. He was the only one that did it. I played so much Deadpool's Diner, 99% of the people we played against. He trick you. Oh, a hundred percent. And just for this moment, he's probably listening right now and be like, yes, I got him. He's talking about, about the pod on the podcast. He's, he's mentioning when I scammed him victory, you know what I mean?

Nina: 45:07

Yes. You should get him reported using your, you know, second dinner connections. The ones you call up when you're about to play the game. That's right. I So you get the easier bots.

Alex: 45:14

I'm like, here's some more Dogecoin. Get this guy outta here. Yeah. But uh, I guess the other thing we gotta mention, technically Warlock, if you hard skip turn five in Acosta, it should hard skip twice. No. Will it work that, that way with Warlock? Uh,

Nina: 45:27

yeah, it will. But you know, the opponent's gonna pull out, uh, Mobius.

Alex: 45:32

Yeah. I mean that turns, or

Nina: 45:34

they're all gonna hit She Hulk.

Alex: 45:36

You're having like, like legit Warlock. Mobius. P-P-T-S-D here. Like

Nina: 45:42

I face Mobius so much playing that, uh, that card.

Alex: 45:46

Yeah. It's like you, you just can't, you're like, no, Mobius is gonna be a constant factor for yo Ocosta. I'm gonna come in four stars at your with yo Ocosta. What do you think? What, what star rating are you thinking? Oh, we're

Nina: 45:53

giving stars. This is, is hard. Mm. I think. Oh, I don't wanna be put the same. You're allowed to. I don't wanna give her the same star as you.'cause you know, I wanna be different. I'm gonna give her 4.1.

Alex: 46:08

4.1.

Nina: 46:09

Is that a thing? Can you do like it

Alex: 46:11

is now? It is now, we're now working off of a hundred point scale. We, we always try to not even do the point fives, like the half points, and then Nina coming in with a 0.10. That's like, no. Oh, that's like when you're on jeopardy and you like, I'll do$1 Bob. And you're like, I'll do$2. And you're like,

Nina: 46:31

well, I don't wanna be too generous. What if she is bad? And then people will say, I'm stupid.

Alex: 46:36

Oh, that's just part of the fun. Are you kidding me? That's what 90% of the comments are on all my videos. You think I get cards right? Come on now. People, people know they're here not for the correct take. They just want a take. Right. Well, it's

Nina: 46:48

actually really hard to judge cards before they come out. I don't know what it is. It's so hard. As soon as you play it for a few hours, you realize like how good it is. But before that, it's so hard to give an accurate review of it.

Alex: 47:01

And I mean everyone listening, you might think that like you're really good at calling the cards, but if you were to get publicly shamed every time you were wrong, you would think differently. If you were to feel the public angst of everyone who's like, bruh, you said that Warlock pre-release is gonna be a four and now it's a two and I full mode into it. It's your fault Alex. Like, ha. Like literally it's happens. It happens. I'm sorry, but also, sorry. Also

Nina: 47:27

it cars that weren't good when they first came out become good later.'cause they can get like buffed and also new cards that come out to support them really well. Do you remember? Like, I feel like when we can first came out, nobody thought it was that amazing, but he's actually incredible now.

Alex: 47:42

Yeah. Well Prodigy is a good example of this. It's exactly what you said before. Prodigy, invisible woman, now Joe Costa, like mm

Nina: 47:48

mm

Alex: 47:48

That card's doing stuff stuff, right? And

Nina: 47:50

when like Jean Gray came out, remember how everyone thought, oh my God, this game is, this card is gonna break the game. Uh, it's a

Alex: 47:56

much what? A trash heap card too. Just awful. I feel bad for Gene Gray, honestly.

Nina: 48:02

Yeah,

Alex: 48:02

but I think we should go to the new cards or not new cards. Those are the new cards. I think we should talk about the top cards of the month, because I went through Untapped and we took the entire month statistics, infinite only. And we're saying, okay, what are the top cards of the month? What are the cards people are playing? We're talking about popularity, and if you'd like, you can also make comments about like, what you think are the best cards. But talking about popularity, I think it gives you a good idea of like what people are playing, what they think are good and the most played. One drop in Marvel Snap. Mad Thinker. It's, it's not Mad Thinker. That card is terrible. I tried to play Matt Thinker. I'm like, man, this card sucks. Uh, Nico Minoru, uh, coming in at number one at a 15.8% play rate. Again, these are untapped, infinite statistics over the last 30 days. Nico Minoru. Nina, what do you think?

Nina: 48:53

Well, I'm not surprised. She is very versatile. You can pretty much stick her in almost any deck and she'll, she'll work there like even she works so well in Destroy as well. She works good everywhere and like that's

Alex: 49:04

the problem.

Nina: 49:04

Zoo. Yeah, she works in pretty much any deck.

Alex: 49:07

Yeah. So

Nina: 49:07

I'm not surprised at all. She's just amazing.

Alex: 49:10

It was already well designed card, low key, a great card for like Cerebro two as well. That plus two power, you give it to like Cerebro or whatever and it's just like mm-hmm. Hell yeah. It's free real estate. I love Nico Minero's design. I think this is a fantastically well designed card. This was like, this is one of the ones where they really knocked outta the park with the way they designed it. And I'm so glad that people have been so receptive of this card because I've been someone who, like, when I'm talking about decks and I do like budget options, I sometimes include Nico Minero in budget decks. And people were like, Alex, that's not a budget card. That's not a series three or whatever. But I'm like, no, but like, listen, I think if you're gonna spend tokens, you can confidently do it on Nico Nico's one of those cards that you should have in your collection. And if you're like, I'm holding tokens, who do I buy? You buy Nico Monro. Like this is a phenomenal card that's incredibly versatile.

Nina: 49:57

She's the new Jeff and what's it called? Iron Lad. Is that a card?

Alex: 50:04

Oh, iron Lad still exists.

Nina: 50:05

No, exactly. But do you remember back in the day, I know, I remember people asking me, what should I invest my tokens in? And I was always confidently saying, oh, Jeff Iron lad, Cango wrong them. But now. And Nico Minoru was the third one. But now Jeff and Ala are kind of, poo. But Nico, mine was still, I feel so bad.

Alex: 50:24

Like I feel

Nina: 50:25

bad for Jeff.

Alex: 50:26

Do you know what I feel like? Yeah. Like Jeff doesn't even make C3 decks that often. And I feel like with Jeff, the last time he was seeing like significant legitimate play was when Professor X was running rampant in the meta. Mm-hmm. And the only other time was when Sandman got buffed because you could play Jeff through Sandman and like, that was the only time I saw those cards being played. Like this card being played. Yeah. I feel like it's completely fallen off. And I think it's not so much about Jeff. I think it's because we've had so much power creep at mm-hmm. The two cost.

Nina: 50:57

Yeah. We have so many amazing two drops now.

Alex: 50:59

Yeah. It's just Poor

Nina: 51:00

Jeff.

Alex: 51:01

Yeah. Poor drop. Bring

Nina: 51:02

Jeff back.

Alex: 51:03

We gotta bring Jeff back. Well, how would you love him? I's the cheapy variant? Give,

Nina: 51:05

give him, make him a two five.

Alex: 51:07

Yeah. Two five. I think that'll

Nina: 51:09

be two five.

Alex: 51:11

Two five. That is, that's a hot take Jeff. Two five. Think it's much. Immediately becomes the best card in the game, I think. No. Crazy. Well, I don't wanna

Nina: 51:19

complain. I wanna complain. I love Jeff. He's so cute. I

Alex: 51:23

think Yeah, I love Jeff too. Of course. I love Jeff, but I'm just saying like, I think the, you can't go more than two, four. Two five is insane. The other card, that is the most popular one drop in the game,

Nina: 51:33

Nicholas is going to be Nicholas Holt.

Alex: 51:36

Wait, is this Nicholas Hood? Did you say Nicholas Hood?

Nina: 51:39

Nicholas Holt. Well that's not even his name, is it? I

Alex: 51:43

don't know. I don't know what the hood's name is.

Nina: 51:46

No, the, well, he just passed.

Alex: 51:49

Nicholas Scratch

Nina: 51:50

you called. Oh, is that his name?

Alex: 51:51

You said, who's Nicholas? Mad Thinker. You said before and then, yeah,

Nina: 51:54

this guy. Oh, who's Nicholas Holt?

Alex: 51:58

Nicholas Holt. I dunno, I'm not,

Nina: 52:01

I'm just making, I'm not sure who

Alex: 52:02

you're referring to. Like maybe it's a, maybe it's a me thing.'cause like, I don't know. I don't know a lot of like their original names. I think you might be making something up.

Nina: 52:11

I, I made things up,

Alex: 52:12

but the hood

Nina: 52:13

comes in

Alex: 52:14

at 13.7% of the meta. The second most commonly played one drop in Marvel Snap.

Nina: 52:20

I hate the hood.

Alex: 52:22

Really? Why? Because

Nina: 52:23

whenever you see your opponent playing the hood, you're like, ah, crap, they're gonna clog me.

Alex: 52:28

Oh, for sure. Something. But, but we put Victoria,

Nina: 52:30

uh, hand and you're like, oh, thank God it's not clog.

Alex: 52:33

Yeah. Clogs pretty awful. I, I agree. But yeah, last time we did this, hood was number one and now Nico was caught up. So it's good to see a little bit of a change up now. Do you wanna take a guess? Now I'm putting you on the spot. It's a little hard at who? The number one, two drop in the game is right now. Oh, it's on the screen. Oh, it's on the screen right now. It's on the screens. Surge. Surge would be correct at an 18% win rate, not win rate. 18% Clear rate. Oh wait,

Nina: 52:56

I was gonna say that's

Alex: 52:57

so low. Yeah, that's really low. It's actually a 51.2% win rate according to untapped last 30 days. Infinite only, but surge as a two one despite the ner. Still is the most popular two drop in Marvel Snap.

Nina: 53:10

Energy cheat is always gonna be strong. And she's not just energy cheat, she's energy cheat plus power increase. Plus you can chain it.

Alex: 53:18

Yeah, no, I know. It's actually a really cool card. It's actually one of my favorite cards. I think they really knocked it to the park with this design. Mm-hmm. Really fun card. Feels fair. Also kind of not as susceptible to Mobius and Mobius.'cause like Yeah, you lose the energy cheap, you still get the power.

Nina: 53:32

Yeah, that's

Alex: 53:33

true.

Nina: 53:33

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 53:34

And then the second most popular two drop game, I'm guessing game. If you want, you can, this one's a little harder, but you might be able to get it.

Nina: 53:42

Not

Alex: 53:42

Shadow King.

Nina: 53:43

Is it on the state? Is it on the, it's Victoria hand.

Alex: 53:46

It's Oh, it's not Victoria hand. I can't, I actually can't see the card. Cozy does this all the time where he can't find the card and I make fun of him. But, okay, hold on. Let me put him on the screen here. It's, it's, it's a man. It, oh, you can't see him? He's cut off. He's cut off. It's not fair.

Nina: 54:00

Oh. Where. Oh, Merlin. Of course it's Merlin.

Alex: 54:02

Sorry. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He was cut off on like the way the screen is captured. Like you couldn't actually see, so it was, it wasn't fair.

Nina: 54:08

Yeah. So I could never have guessed.

Alex: 54:10

Yeah. Merlin is a 13.4% card. Uh, that's its play rate. And honestly I love this card. I think that this card is so well designed as well. Mm-hmm. Um, I will tell you as someone who plays lots of magic, Omni universal presence is rough man. Um, no, that's not the Yeah, it is. Sorry. I was like, that's not the one. It is the one, it changes the location of the plus two and it honestly does a great job of like really modifying locations and honestly even in cerebral where like they get, like sometimes you get some lucky roles and some garbage locations for them, like Zandar or whatever, and you scam them. Right. And obviously of course with something like the hood, you can once in future the hood into your deck or of course you can polymorph it into a two drop. I think Merlin is phenomenal.

Nina: 54:52

He's a great card. He is the Nico Mine of two drops.

Alex: 54:54

Yes. Oh, I agree. Super versatile.

Nina: 54:57

Yeah, he is. But the thing that annoys me that once in, what's the incantations called? Uh, the one that shuffles into your deck

Alex: 55:05

once in future?

Nina: 55:06

Uh, yes. That one. Whenever I shuffle a card, I don't want on the board, I'm drawing in the next turn.

Alex: 55:12

You always top that gate. I know. It's like, oh, you kicked over a rock with debris. Check it out once in future and then just get the rock back and like, great. Yeah. I've, I've experienced that as well, but I do think this card's really cool and the pax border, for some reason it's super thick on those skills. You notice how like, thick these borders are.

Nina: 55:29

Oh, that looks like a, a cupcake.

Alex: 55:32

Yeah. This is the, do you look at it together?

Nina: 55:33

Do you see like, like the top?

Alex: 55:36

Yeah, it does kinda look like a cupcake, doesn't it? But I mean, it looks like a whole bunch of different things, but a but it, uh, it actually did you say, but

Nina: 55:44

a but yeah,

Alex: 55:45

it does look like a butt. Great. Now we're gonna get the monetized going to the three drops. It's, I, is it thunder? It's not Fanta.

Nina: 55:56

Oh, it's Moby. Oh, he is bloody Mobius. Of course, it's Mobius. I should have known

Alex: 56:00

13.6% and a very high win rate of 52.6.

Nina: 56:05

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 56:06

Um, Mobius and Mobius is everywhere. Nina, I'll give you the floor. Tell us about how much you love Mobius and Mobius.

Nina: 56:12

I do like Mobius actually when I play him

Alex: 56:15

that that's the spirit. That's the spirit. I like it when I, I'm allowed have one opponent is

Nina: 56:20

not allowed to have fun.

Alex: 56:21

Yeah. I, I can, I can feel that like Bing's last week was just like, I hate this card so much. I wish it didn't exist. And I like how you were like, I wish it just existed for me.

Nina: 56:29

Yeah.

Alex: 56:32

And number two, three drops. But

Nina: 56:34

remember without Mobius, how crazy was Loc without Mobius? That was insane.

Alex: 56:41

I know again,

Nina: 56:42

would be crazy without Mobius. You need Mobius. It's like you need shine.

Alex: 56:46

It feels like it's an unnecessary, no. Sorry, let rephrase that. It is a necessary evil. Yeah. Just like people hated shachi. It's like, well you take Shachi outta the game. All of a sudden, like you just like, you know, Wong blob into, I don't know, taskmaster win every game. Mm-hmm. Right? And the game sucks. It's like you need these, these cards, you need these release valves. Sometimes they just can't be like, you know, where it becomes difficult when you are, when you're able to use these cards offensively and then accidentally use them defensively. Like, that's why I said with like Pixie and Mobius, I want Pixie to be a one drop so bad. But if you're able to just put Mobius in that deck, just'cause, oh, it works for my deck offensively anyways. Mm-hmm. And then it's just free real estate every time someone tries to energy cheat you and you get to spank them. Yeah. So like, yeah. The interactions are kind of interesting. But yeah. Mobius and Mobius, I feel like it's it does come in and outta the meta, like it does wane. It's popular right now'cause we have more energy cheat than we've ever had. Right. But, uh, what really surprised me was the second card. That's the most popular. I was expecting vivid vision because of the, usually the season pass gets more play'cause the ambitions and stuff. It's not the vision.

Nina: 57:49

Oh. Can I guess.

Alex: 57:50

And yeah, sure. But you have

Nina: 57:51

them on the have them on the thing first. On the screen. And I have to, and I guess from there,

Alex: 57:56

okay. I can't because she's off to the side. She's, I see her and you can't see her.

Nina: 58:00

Oh, again, this is rigged.

Alex: 58:04

Okay. She is a demon child, dark child, I should say. Who?

Nina: 58:09

Okay. I don't know. Who is it? It's magic. Oh, I said demon

Alex: 58:13

child, which is wrong. She yells. Dark child. Right.

Nina: 58:16

I should have known.

Alex: 58:18

Yeah, magic is currently running a 13% play rate, but a win rate that is almost 5% under Moby's and Moby's. Moby's was almost 53%. She's 48%, which is kind of crazy. Oh,

Nina: 58:29

cool.

Alex: 58:30

And maybe partially because of the popularity of Merlin. Just gonna throw it out there.

Nina: 58:34

Merlin. I've seen a lot of Legion as well.

Alex: 58:37

Yeah, because the, like the Strom decks are actually kind of popular right now with 10. Yeah. The A decks are

Nina: 58:41

running Legion and Hella decks also running Legion.

Alex: 58:44

That's inappropriate.

Nina: 58:45

I know. That's just, that's too much, isn't it?

Alex: 58:47

If you're playing hella and you're playing Legion. Come on. I was, yeah. May put mob on Moby in your deck too, and make everyone hate you.

Nina: 58:53

That's the deck I used to hit Infinite before she got nerved.

Alex: 58:57

Yeah. Honestly, like I, you know what card? I can't seem to make work. I just wanna throw it out there. I, every time someone brings up hella, I think about this card too. Uh, Morgan Lafa, I've been wanting to make a good Morgan Lafe deck for so long. I can't figure it out. It's a, it's a, oh, she doesn doesn't go into

Nina: 59:09

Hella Deck, I don't think.

Alex: 59:10

No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that she goes into Helleck. I'm saying every time someone brings up hella, for some reason in my head, I picture Morgan Lafa. Like it comes to mind for me and I want to figure out a deck with Morgan Lafaye. And I feel like I've not been able to, like, I've been, this is the card I try to cook with more than any others. Like when I'm just by myself, I try and do something. Mm-hmm. And I've not come up with a solution for Morgan Lefay yet. Someone out there is gonna figure out a deck with this.'cause I think that it might actually be good. It's just like an untapped card that like fell out of the zeitgeist, like fell out of our mindset and no one's cooking with it. I feel like this card might be good.

Nina: 59:43

I've only seen her in some destroy decks. But I have a question. Yes. If you like discard a bunch of cards, right? And then you play Morgan Buffet and return them to your hand, and then you dis discard them again, say with Modoc, and then you play hella, is she gonna bring back the buff cards

Alex: 59:58

you're cooking? And I don't know. I have no idea. I never thought of that. How would you even do that? Is that'cause how do you,'cause you would have to top deck hea to do that, right? Yeah. Because Modoc would blow up your HEA

Nina: 1:00:12

top deck. Or you can use the old Invisible woman.

Alex: 1:00:15

Okay. Leave this with me. I'm gonna try and figure this out.

Nina: 1:00:18

Don't, don't, don't try it. It's not gonna work.

Alex: 1:00:20

Oh no. I know it's not gonna work, but I kind of want to try. Do you wanna take a shot at who? The most popular Marvel Snap. Yeah, you got it. It's him. Even post Nerf. These are month long stats. He's still running a 14% play rate. He was at 22 and then he dropped to 11 during the Nerf timeframe. Now he settled at 14.4. Still a 50.5% win rate. I've been saying for the longest time, this card is overheated. It's not as good as people think it is, but also very good and very important. I think why this card is so strong is'cause it's a cube Steeler because people be like, oh, Shaun, she doesn't exist lull, and it's getting knocked out. Right. So like I understand the frustration, but uh, yeah. Sean's at 14% Nina.

Nina: 1:01:02

Mm. He actually, his nerve made a huge difference to, to some of my games.

Alex: 1:01:08

Oh, a hundred percent. I barely saw like, yeah,

Nina: 1:01:10

yeah. Like the, um, you know the MO deck?

Alex: 1:01:13

Yes. I had

Nina: 1:01:14

like two giant Jeffs buffed up and my opponent was playing. Mill, I think.'cause they're evil. So they had the,

Alex: 1:01:20

oh, that's a deck. I forgot even existed like Baron's emo mill with cable and everything.

Nina: 1:01:24

Yeah. They had Fre, they played out Fre. So I was like, they definitely have Sh Chi, they're gonna shine me on last turn. So all I did is just put two giant cards in one location. They Shang one. Sure. But I still have the other one. And Shang is only three power. But yeah, the nerve makes a huge difference. That's just, and he's still in so many decks that just shows you how good he was originally.

Alex: 1:01:47

So basically what you're saying is if we ever cue against each other on ladder, the correct play for me is Fon three. And then turn six. Hun shi into Grandmaster.

Nina: 1:01:57

No. Ooh, that's, Ooh, that's nasty. No,

Alex: 1:02:02

don't do that.

Nina: 1:02:03

Don't do that.

Alex: 1:02:05

Okay, so the next card is, again, one you can't see on the screen.

Nina: 1:02:09

Jug. No, it's not.

Alex: 1:02:10

No, no, no. Jogger not, no, it didn't make it. But, uh, okay. I'll give you a hint. In her, uh, season pass variant, which is popular got, she holds, she holds a cat on her shoulder.

Nina: 1:02:19

Gwenpool. It is

Alex: 1:02:20

Gwenpool, yeah. You got it. Oh, it's a gpo.

Nina: 1:02:21

Oh yeah. She's

Alex: 1:02:22

holding a cat. This was a realization we made a long time ago. So, uh, one of the episodes Cozy and I did like, I don't know when it was. Mm-hmm. He didn't realize that there was a cat on her shoulder. Like you thought it was hair, just Yes. Look, that's a tabby cat. I thought it was her hair. So you're just like everyone else. Yeah. She's holding a cat. It's not her hair. Like, it's, it's one of those things where no one actually pays attention to the variant. Like, you can see the Tappy cat look at his face. It's right there. Oh my

Nina: 1:02:46

God, this cat just got a lot cuter. Yeah. I mean, this, this card just got a lot cuter.

Alex: 1:02:51

Yeah, actually Gwenpool does have really good variance, but for me, I've always liked this one here.

Nina: 1:02:55

Mm-hmm. Uh,

Alex: 1:02:56

but yeah, Gwenpool at 10% play rate and a 50.6% win rate. What are your thoughts on Gwenpool?

Nina: 1:03:02

I like her. Yeah. She's kinda had a little bit of a comeback, right? Because at one point everyone was playing Galata.

Alex: 1:03:08

Yeah. And

Nina: 1:03:08

Galata just seemed like a better card, but then she got unnerved and now Ples back on top.

Alex: 1:03:15

Yeah. Like, so both these cards were used like almost interchangeably. Like you, they feel like they're two peas in a pod. Mm-hmm. Because you almost can play them interchangeably. Really? Yeah. But I actually like how they're, they're siphoned a little bit in, in their design. And I actually, when I'm, when I'm playing, I often find myself playing gwenpool over Galacto lately.

Nina: 1:03:31

And I think it's because I thinking it's the type of decks we're playing these days as I'm thinking about like that warlock deck where you wanna skip a turn. Like you don't wanna play galacto, right?'cause you're just wasting one turn like her, her, uh, buff. Whereas Gwenpool just gives you a lot more value.

Alex: 1:03:47

And the thing that I always go for, maybe this is the greedy side, I'm like Galacto plus two un brood, or I gwenpool and plus six on brood.'cause it always hits where I want it to. And then it just does like plus six on Surfer for some reason. But I do like the two cards and, uh, it doesn't surprise me that GW pool is the second most popular four drop behind Han Chi,

Nina: 1:04:09

uh, even after her Nerf sugar. Nerf as well. Even after her Ner, yeah. Yeah,

Alex: 1:04:12

even after her nerve. And this is, that's actually a good lesson too. I'm glad you mentioned that, because so many people, when a card gets nerfed, they're like, this card sucks. It's dead. I'm never playing it again. And then they just drop it. It's like, bro, that card was over tuned and it's still good. Yeah, right. Just like people not playing Nerf, Sean Chi. Like you think that the one power made that much a difference? It's still chs man. The place where it makes a huge difference. I think like the change to Shachi is on like Nadal Valle and some of the locations that were like, you would wipe out an entire bors, like Muir Island getting bucked the whole time. That's where I felt like his destroying all cards was a little suss. But for the most part, it doesn't surprise me that, uh, stronger remains the most popular card now five drop. I think this is a very tough call for you to make.'cause this might be because of the tech thing that happened. So all the tech cards got nerved. This was a recently post Ghost Rider. It is. Wow. You're so fast. I was gonna say I have it on the screen this time. Cosmic Ghost Rider actually ended up seeing a ton of play, a 10.4% play rate despite a slightly negative cube rate and a win rate at 48.2. So the stats don't back up the play rate here, but Cosmo Ghost Rider was the most played, uh, five drop according to popularity and untapped stats.

Nina: 1:05:22

That is interesting. Yeah. Not expect. I mean it's probably because like you said, so many tech cards got unnerved and there were only a few that were left. Um, untouched, like Cosmic Ghost Rider and Stardust.

Alex: 1:05:36

Stardust. Oh man, Stardust. Yeah. That was a card that It is so funny. Stardust, right? I was like, oh, this card's not that good. I don't know why people are so excited about it. And then I'm streaming and like literally someone with Initiative on Turn six played Stardust and I was playing at the bar sinister to win the game for eight cubes and I was like, oh

Nina: 1:05:54

no. I was like, no. It's amazing how many cards it actually affects.

Alex: 1:05:58

Yeah, it does. Honestly, Stardust has like one of those really wide nets. It casts.

Nina: 1:06:03

Yeah. Where

Alex: 1:06:03

like. It will absolutely rob people without, like, for me, I had, there's no way I could have anticipated. It's not like I, Stardust was on the field. I'm like, I'm gonna play bar sinister lll. Like, that's not at all what it was. It was like, it played down first on turn six. Like they, they got me good. I was like, oh man. And so like, yeah, Stardust has like that capability, but also it feels like when I've played Stardust, it has the echo effect where, you know, you play echo. Someone's putting Oh

Nina: 1:06:29

yes, yes. I've seen so much stardust blindness. Maybe people just don't realize, don't realize that he's, he affects all these cards because it is not very clear. Right. What counts as adding cars to location. Like, you wouldn't think that playing Blink maybe would be affected by Stardust but it is.

Alex: 1:06:49

Yeah. Yeah. Stardust has like a super wide net. Uh, it wasn't the most popular drop there, but. Yeah. But yeah the, uh, tech changes definitely put Cosmo Ghost Rider on top. Now the other card, the second most played card at 9% play rate, and uh, it's, it's gonna be a card that is on your screen. Countable. It's a starter card. Oh, starter, starter card. Is it Ironman? It is Ironman. And this is partially because I think of the Mr Negative you were talking about before, right. Mr. Negative being a good deck. And, uh, despite the Nerf two Mystique, Ironman remains unscathed. 9% play rate for Ironman at uh, five. I was just thinking about this too. Imagine this was a card they released today. Double the look. People go nuts.

Nina: 1:07:28

Oh yeah, for sure.

Alex: 1:07:29

This is such a good Marvel Snap card. Like this is such a good card and it's never changed. It's been this since the start of the game. That's

Nina: 1:07:36

true. Yeah. They never changed it.

Alex: 1:07:38

Yeah. Well it's just

Nina: 1:07:38

consistently good.

Alex: 1:07:40

Yeah, it's always been consistently good and new players need something to get up there and that's in Iron Mind compete. I feel like

Nina: 1:07:45

that's one of the, like people's, a lot of people's favorite character from Marvel. Yeah.

Alex: 1:07:49

You gotta environmental a little love. But, uh, let's go to the six before, uh, this is turning into a longer pod. I think it's because we derailed so hard at this. Oh yeah, we did in the

Nina: 1:07:58

beginning,

Alex: 1:07:59

the most popular six drop in Marvel Snap the last month at 11.8. It, what'd you say, Galactus? You would be correct? No, well, not this. Galactus Galactus First Steps Oh. Is actually the most played Marvel Snap six drop the last month. According to Untapped A Statistics, I feel like I have to keep qualifying the untapped basis, uh, statistics part, but 11.8% play rate at a 51.6% win rate. Uh, this version of G-Man seeing a lot of play, and honestly, I like this card. I think it's a cool card. I, I really like the design. It feels like the Sanctum Showdown mini version. Mm-hmm. And I like it.

Nina: 1:08:37

Yeah, I mean, I didn't get to play a lot with it because, you know, I was free to play when he came out, so I didn't get to play him, him for a whole month. But even after that, I didn't really play with him that much, except maybe in some weekend decks.

Alex: 1:08:51

Yeah, he definitely goes great. He can grow pretty big

Nina: 1:08:53

and I feel like he is a fun card, but you don't need to have him, like, you can just have like Red Hulk or something instead. Oh, a hundred percent. Like he's just a big body. Yeah. But he does red huk pressure on your opponent, yeah, he does. He might be pretty good with V vision, you know, because like you put a car somewhere to start off your Galactus growth and then your opponent will try keep playing there, and then you can maybe sneak a few buffs with, um, with vision.

Alex: 1:09:17

Yeah. It did surprise me that, uh, the Galactus first steps was the top six drop. And under it at 9.4%, play rate is not actually a six drop. It's more expensive than that.

Nina: 1:09:30

Death.

Alex: 1:09:31

It's death, death here at, uh, eight 12 is the next. And I think that's partially because of, of Moira X, who I think Moira X has been doing a good job in the meta as it turns of destroy shell. Now the Kon is back. At the very least, people are starting to play that again. Also just throwing it out there, one of my favorite splits I have. Uh, this is now beautiful. Oh, that's beautiful actually. Yeah. This is a real split. Yeah. I like this from a lot. Yeah, that looks really

Nina: 1:09:52

nice. That kind of like has the step on me Mommy energy, though.

Alex: 1:09:57

I'm not sure what that means. What step on me. Mommy did I, did I just sound like a really old man there?

Nina: 1:10:05

No, but you've never heard that phrase?

Alex: 1:10:08

No.

Nina: 1:10:09

Oh. We must hang out at, in very different corners of the internet.

Alex: 1:10:13

I think we must, I'm mostly on, like, as I, I'm not even joking. I'm actually on the Costco subreddit. I'm on the Costco Canada subreddit. I don't even go to the Marvel Snap sub Reddi. Oh.'cause I'm pretty sure everyone there hates me, so. No, they love

Nina: 1:10:26

you.

Alex: 1:10:27

They love me there.

Nina: 1:10:28

They love you.

Alex: 1:10:29

Are you sure that doesn't sound right? A hundred

Nina: 1:10:31

percent. Yeah. What you're, whenever content creators are mentioned, it, they always talk very, really lovingly about you and Regis and Cozy

Alex: 1:10:41

and Nina.

Nina: 1:10:42

No.

Alex: 1:10:43

Come on. What?

Nina: 1:10:44

I'm almost never mentioned.

Alex: 1:10:46

We got everyone. Okay, we're going to Reddit. We're gonna mention Nina in positive words. It's our mission to make sure that Nina is seeing some proper representation on, on Reddit there. I had no idea, honestly. I just assumed. I'm like, I think early on in Snap, I think I had like, people kept sending me like, yo, check out this post of how like Garbage you are. And I was like, thanks. I was like, and I kind of got this like, maybe I should stay away from that, that section of the internet. And uh, maybe I should go back. You're saying I should go back?

Nina: 1:11:11

You should. They're really nice to you there.

Alex: 1:11:14

Really? Oh my gosh. Things times have changed.

Nina: 1:11:16

No times have changed. Yeah. They, they, uh, and also, did I say Dexter? Yeah. Dexter. Cozy. Yeah. Dexter, Regis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the big four. The big five.

Alex: 1:11:27

The big five. But, uh, yeah, that, you know what that's gonna do, that's gonna take us to Snapchat mailbag.

Nina: 1:11:34

Oh, I'm excited to that.'cause you mentioned something about bowls, chicken bowls.

Alex: 1:11:39

Oh yeah, that's right. I had, okay, so you guys wouldn't know this, but Nina and I literally talked for like 45 minutes prior to the podcast and we should have just recorded it, but we didn't. It was a lot of fun. And you called me out on the chicken balls. Now that was actually supposed to be the last question. That was supposed to be the closer, but because you already brought it up, I may as well. We may as well start with it. Mm-hmm. So, Zen Marley Mellow came in and said, I'm writing this pretty late, and I don't know if you'll see it, but I recently moved to the UK for university and was excited to try out all the different foods. My family and I were scrolling through the menu of a Chinese restaurant and I was so happy to see chicken balls at the very top. They are indeed real and indeed delicious.

Nina: 1:12:26

They are really popular in the uk. The British version of Chinese food is not the type of food I'm used to at all because it's mostly just Hong Kong, like Cantonese food, whereas I grew up in Beijing, so I'm more used to like northern cuisine but yeah. The chicken bowls are very popular here. Chicken bowls and sweet and sour sauce.

Alex: 1:12:46

See, that's what I was saying. I was saying the red sauce is so good and Cozy was like, bro, I don't talking. It's red sauce. Is it sweet sour sauce? The sweet sour sauce is red. Yeah, it's like red or orangey. Oh, it's like fluorescent, right? Listen, I always saying to put so much food coloring, you know, it's just food coloring. I know. It's, listen, I know it's garbage. I know it's garbage. Even the chicken balls themselves, there's a little piece of chicken and a ton of fried batter on it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Garbage. Like I absolutely experience, but you know how like Exactly, that's why it's good. It's so bad that that's why it's good. Like you're eating it, you know you're eating just absolute filth, but it's so good and you can't stop yourself and that's why you keep eating it. Right? And I need to, to put some

Nina: 1:13:26

other Chinese foods, not just chicken balls.

Alex: 1:13:29

I need to try some actual proper Chinese. I absolutely agree. Like, yeah, I'm

Nina: 1:13:32

sure there's a lot of authentic Chinese restaurants in Canada. If you just go to one, send me the menu and I'll tell you what to order.

Alex: 1:13:40

So many people have been like, yo, Alex, you're a dumbass. You live in Toronto, one of the most multicultural cities in the world. Find a proper Chinese restaurant, find a proper Vietnamese restaurant, find a proper Mexican restaurant, find a proper blank restaurant. I'm like, you're right. There's so much amazing food around us. Because like in where I'm in, in, in Canada, we really do have access to like the most multicultural society on, on the planet. Man, we have access to everything. And maybe I should actually venture all it. Maybe that's a new YouTube series. Maybe we start with like some Indian food. You know what I mean? Try a little food. Food. Look, all I do is eat Costco hotdogs, man. That's all I do.

Nina: 1:14:16

That probably good for you.

Alex: 1:14:18

It's not good for me. The chicken bowls are probably better for me, honestly.

Nina: 1:14:22

Mm. I know. Maybe actually, probably, probably.'cause that's, you know, in the middle of that deep fried stuff, there's actual chicken. Whereas what is hot dog?

Alex: 1:14:31

Oh, you just asked the question. No one wants answers to

Nina: 1:14:33

what is in the hot dog.

Alex: 1:14:35

Again, you're asking questions. No one wants answered. No one wants to investigate those answers. We gotta move on before you basically ruin my entire cuisine.

Nina: 1:14:45

Well, I don't, don't, no. I eat hot dogs all the time. I love processed meat.

Alex: 1:14:50

But it's one of those things you're like, you know how like people that work at Taco Bell don't eat Taco Bell? Hmm. Do you know people who work at Taco Bell don't eat Taco Bell?

Nina: 1:14:59

Really?

Alex: 1:15:00

Yeah. Don't they get to eat

Nina: 1:15:01

Taco Bell?

Alex: 1:15:02

Well, no, it's'cause they, they know what goes in the food, so they're like, nah, that ain't me. So it's like, if you work at a hotdog factory, do you eat hot dogs? Like does it give you confidence or does it make you realize how awful it is?

Nina: 1:15:12

Oh, imagine smelling like hot dogs all the time.

Alex: 1:15:14

Yeah. Like my buddy works at, uh, a Nutella factory.

Nina: 1:15:17

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 1:15:18

And he, he loves his job. I'll tell you that. He always smells like chocolate and he gets tons of free chocolate all the time. To the point where he'll just give us Nutella, like, like big things in Nutella that we can just eat with a spoon. It's very healthy. Oh my God. I don't recommend it. But, you know,

Nina: 1:15:32

Nutella is not chocolate.

Alex: 1:15:34

Come on. Why? You gotta ruin everything.

Nina: 1:15:36

It's hazelnut. I know, but it's so good. Okay. Okay, good. Okay.

Alex: 1:15:40

It's a chocolatey spread that I'm all here for. We should. Okay. We got a couple actual Marvel Snap questions.

Nina: 1:15:46

Mm-hmm. This

Alex: 1:15:46

has been, this has been a borderline deranged podcast at points.

Nina: 1:15:50

You are welcome.

Alex: 1:15:51

Gary Prime says, as a free play player, I've been able to buy all of the items in the shop at least once and got a ton of emotes each refreshed. This is in reference to Deadpool's Diner, I should add.

Nina: 1:16:02

Mm-hmm. What else?

Alex: 1:16:03

This is how an event should feel rewarding and fun. I hope that they keep it up, but I'm walking away from Deadpool's Diner with a lot of emotes, variants, titles and borders.

Nina: 1:16:14

What's the question?

Alex: 1:16:15

I think it was just a statement about how much fun they had in Deadpool's Diner, which I think we can agree was fun. That's

Nina: 1:16:20

pretty good to hear. Yeah. Well, I mean, we agree with them, right? And yeah, it's, it's been really, really generous. Un to the point where everyone's questioning whether it was intentional or not, which we agreed, wasn't

Alex: 1:16:31

it can't be. Yeah.

Nina: 1:16:31

So don't get used to it, you know, much

Alex: 1:16:33

doubt. Doubt. Also. That's exactly what we doubt said before. Yeah. Much

Nina: 1:16:35

doubt. Any future event is going to be so generous.

Alex: 1:16:39

Yeah. No, but hopefully again, we said it before, that middle ground between not even kiddo, mega, don't even do middle ground there. Just forget that ever existed. Middle ground with Kid Omega and Deadpool's Diner. Still too bad. Like that's not good enough for delete Deadpool dead. Not, no, sorry, lemme rephrase it.

Nina: 1:16:55

Delete Deadpool's

Alex: 1:16:56

Diner. Don't delete Deadpool's Diner. Delete Kid Omega that never existed. Only do Deadpool's Diner and like whatever the regular high voltage was and find that middle ground.

Nina: 1:17:08

Mm-hmm.

Alex: 1:17:09

That's the dub.

Nina: 1:17:10

Do you know what I was thinking about the generosity of, uh, dead Bulls Diner? There's people who walked away with like hundreds of borders, diner, like a hundred border. Then compared to how hard we have to work for two Borders from Alliance Bounties.

Alex: 1:17:29

I know our, the one thing I've heard so many times, people are like, yo Alliances, no one's playing anymore. Like no one, like my Alliance is dead. Everyone's leaving the game. And Alliances is one of those things where I see, like, even on, on ours, like I like been with Cozy and we can see like there's always people dropping off and just not playing anymore. And it's kind of sad because a lot of them are, like, their user names in the game are the same ones on Twitch and on YouTube and stuff, and like

Nina: 1:17:53

mm-hmm.

Alex: 1:17:53

Like, oh yeah, they haven't played in weeks and I actually haven't seen them. It's actually sad. Like there's, there's people leaving our community and, uh, yeah.

Nina: 1:18:00

Yeah. I've had to remove so many people from the Alliance because they're just not active anymore.

Alex: 1:18:05

Yeah. But I have someone

Nina: 1:18:06

who does single handedly, en enough bounties every week.

Alex: 1:18:11

I, we have one person as well that does that too. So they're doing, uh, they're doing the Lord's work, carrying

Nina: 1:18:16

the whole alliance.

Alex: 1:18:18

Okay, so I think it's Bill Overin asked the next question. He says, remember back when Cozy and Alex reminded us on a near weekly basis that Hope Summers was the best card in the game. Remember when Alex and Binks had this whole conversation about energy cheat and Surfer shells and compared, uh, Sarah and Warlock and even mentioned Jennifer Kale, but never brought up Hope. Summers the perfect puzzle piece. Pepperidge Farm remembers. I bring this up, Nina, because I actually do think that Hope Summers is a fantastic card, but it really does see no play. Do you think it's being slept on or do you think that, uh, you know, it's bad? Like, well, what are your thoughts on Hope Summers?

Nina: 1:18:54

I think she's been power craft a bit. She was really good when she first came out. Come, came out. But now we have more cars that can give us extra energy. Like Luna Snow, you get extra energy straight away. You play her next turn, you get extra energy. And she's also a three drop, right? And she's six power. It's insane. Hope Summers right, you play her out. You don't get anything extra that turn, next turn you have to play things on top of her in order to get the benefit. So I think she's just been power crept.

Alex: 1:19:23

That makes perfect sense.'cause I do play a lot of Luna Snow. Right? I actually love Luna Snow. I'm glad you made such a great call out there. But what I'll say too is I was thinking about this too before and I was like, you know what? I think it's also because Kitty Pride hasn't been as good in the Met either.'cause I feel like the Kitty pride shells really like Hope Summers as a form of energy cheat, right? Yeah.'cause you can do something like Angela Kitty Pride and Hope Summers and Lane and just go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm gonna keep popping off and you can even play Jeff in the deck like that, right?

Nina: 1:19:49

Yeah. Um,

Alex: 1:19:51

but yeah, that's uh, I think that because those decks got nerfed,'cause Angela got nerfed, Angela used to do the plus twos, right? So she got nerfed. I think that the Hope Summers and Kitty Pride stuff just kind of disappeared. And even with Thena, like you had those shells with Thena Kitty pride, Angela doing really well and now like you don't see pride anymore, don't need them

Nina: 1:20:07

anymore. Right. You just have invisible women first steps.

Alex: 1:20:10

Yes. Yes. It's just the simply superior card as we go to our last question of the day, and it's from, uh, I think it's Izer. I'm not sure how to read your name. I'm sorry. But the question is, oh my gosh, I didn't even realize this was the question. This is hilarious. This was a really good discussion about the bots. They introduced the new bots right about when Kid Omega thing happened, and I feel like everyone's underestimating how much the bot experience contributed to the negative backlash that happened at the time, people were mad about the implications of Kid Omega and the economy, but at the same time they were struggling more on ladder in a way that was very hard to quantify. If you're not extremely aware of the ins and outs of how bots work. Nina, I was thinking about this too, and this, I know we should really talk

Nina: 1:20:54

about the bots. I don't think we talked about it enough.

Alex: 1:20:56

I don't think we talked about the bots at all in this particular podcast. If only we had, but also, did they improve? Is this just occurred to me like right now? Did they make the bots way harder when they introduced the, like the borders you get for getting to infinite? That's the exact same time, isn't it? I don't know. It's the same patch. I, but I, because they made the borders and then all of a sudden now the bots are crazy.

Nina: 1:21:18

Oh. Have you spent any money on those borders?

Alex: 1:21:22

Do I look like a clown?

Nina: 1:21:24

I don't know. You bought that? Uh, Groote. Mote.

Alex: 1:21:28

Well, first of all, I am a clown, but also, no, I have not, but I'm not above it. I'll tell you, I'm not above it. But no, I've not spent any money on those.

Nina: 1:21:36

Oh what kind of annoys me about bots is they're working so hard to hide them.

Alex: 1:21:42

Hundred percent. They're, well, they think they hide the bots players.

Nina: 1:21:46

There's no way they can tell they're playing against the bot. No, they think they're playing against the players.

Alex: 1:21:50

I mean, other players, I mean, the very cynical thing, I don't wanna say why,'cause again, like I don't wanna make assumptions or anything, but I'm gonna say that the better the bots are, they look more like players. It helps the game look healthy. Because if every game's against the bot, then you could assume that there's not a lot of people playing with you right now. Is there?

Nina: 1:22:06

Yeah.

Alex: 1:22:08

That's what I would assume.

Nina: 1:22:10

Don't you think they put a lot of effort into hiding the fact that boards are bots? Like we could before tell from the collection level.'cause the collection level is the same as ours.

Alex: 1:22:19

Yeah.

Nina: 1:22:20

And that was always assessed, but then they changed that, so it's even harder not to tell.

Alex: 1:22:24

The other thing that's worth mentioning is you'd also tell because like they were playing discard with like the old Chavez, like the decks they were playing. Oh. Oh my gosh. I just realized something. What? There's something else we have to bring up. It's on my screen. You can't see yet. I need to bring it up.

Nina: 1:22:39

Okay. Okay. About They've actually buffed the

Alex: 1:22:40

bots. They buffed destroyer.

Nina: 1:22:45

That's true. Wait, destroy is six 18. Yes. When did this happen?

Alex: 1:22:49

That just happened at the most recent OTA.

Nina: 1:22:52

Oh. I don't really keep up with those anymore. Tell, you know, I used to make those graphics every OTA. Yeah. I used

Alex: 1:22:57

to like you used to post'em on uh, like Yeah, on like, I was gonna say Twitter. It's X. Now I know what it's called, but

Nina: 1:23:02

I always call it Twitter. And like they do them themselves now. They copied it. My idea. So I'm like, I don't do them anymore.

Alex: 1:23:09

Wait, they stole your idea.

Nina: 1:23:11

They stole my idea. Yeah, because they never made them before.

Alex: 1:23:15

That's a damn shame. Well, right second, you haven't called out. How dare you steal Nina's design impact.

Nina: 1:23:21

My PC hack ORC stole your stuff. Then you steal my OTA graphic.

Alex: 1:23:27

Insane. Is there anything they will not do to disrupt your content creation? But on that note, if you're interested in a really fantastic content creator, may I suggest Nina is new. I'm not just making this up. I think that she is phenomenal. I think the content produce is great. I think that she's incredibly talented at the game. All car games. Yes. No, you can cringe all you want, Nina. But it is very important that you guys down in the description, down in the pin comment, you're gonna see Nina's socials. I'm gonna link her Twitch. I'm linking her YouTube, I'm linking her, her ex. Guys, you have to follow Nina. And honestly, this has been one of the most fun podcasts I've ever recorded. I want to tell you from the bottom of my heart, I'm so thankful that you joined me today. Uh, thank because this was so much fun.

Nina: 1:24:08

Do you remember, you know what I just remembered after you talked about like my amazing gaming ability when we went to New York for that creator um, tournament. Yes, that's right. We played against each other.

Alex: 1:24:20

We did. I remember, yeah. I was playing a devil dinosaur deck. And at the time I remember you, me too. You beat me with a, with an arrow play. Yeah. I think we went like four Arrow was so

Nina: 1:24:28

broken back then.

Alex: 1:24:29

Yes, I do remember that. Me and I was

Nina: 1:24:31

so bad because when we were playing against each other, I felt like I was so rude because I was, no, I was taking it so seriously don't talk to me. I'm trying to do this,

Alex: 1:24:41

and I'm like talking to you the entire time.

Nina: 1:24:43

And you were like so nice.

Alex: 1:24:45

No, I do remember that.'cause you knocked me outta the top bracket.

Nina: 1:24:49

Uh,

Alex: 1:24:50

because I, I won a whole bunch of games and then I went against you and I lost, and I remember it was like, we were like, obviously we were doing the new like battle mode or whatever it was called at the time. And then you, I remember you just arrowed my whole board on my turn six.'cause at the time, pulled all the cards completely

Nina: 1:25:05

broken. I lost to Arrow as well, so, you know, she got me in the end.

Alex: 1:25:10

Yeah.

Nina: 1:25:10

Because yeah,

Alex: 1:25:12

that was such a fun experience. And I remember like, we went to that karaoke bar and everything like that. Oh

Nina: 1:25:16

yeah. That was so much fun. Yeah. But you didn't sing, did you?

Alex: 1:25:19

I think, I'm trying to think. I don't remember you singing. I think me and, oh man, I don't think, I think I did once, I think I did a Lincoln Park song like really late in the night with, uh, with Speci.

Nina: 1:25:32

Oh, maybe at some point. Yeah. I think,

Alex: 1:25:34

and I think everyone had pretty much left at that point. I was like, okay, I'll do it now that no one's here. I think we, I think we, uh, we sang in the end together or something like that.

Nina: 1:25:42

That was so fun.

Alex: 1:25:43

I did the rapping part for what it's worth.

Nina: 1:25:45

Did you,

Alex: 1:25:46

I did.

Nina: 1:25:47

Do you rap a lot?

Alex: 1:25:49

Do I look like I rap a lot?

Nina: 1:25:51

Well, I don't know. I don't, I don't wanna assume, especially I do not rap a lot. He can rap and he can rap.

Alex: 1:25:57

Oh, Dexter was actually like legit good

Nina: 1:26:01

Dexter. He wasn't there.

Alex: 1:26:03

Yeah, no, he, Dexter was on the official Marvel Snap channel where he rap battled Ben, bro.

Nina: 1:26:09

Oh yeah? Yeah. He was pretty good. Yeah. That, that, uh, trailer

Alex: 1:26:13

first turn on. That's what I thought you were talking about. I couldn't quite hear because Discord did the thing where like, I talked over you so it muted you. So I didn't quite hear the name. You said, I thought you said Dexter. That's why.

Nina: 1:26:22

No, I said spec.

Alex: 1:26:24

Oh. See, you said, I didn't even hear that

Nina: 1:26:25

Specy can rap and Dara can rap.

Alex: 1:26:28

Oh, Dara is unreal. And

Nina: 1:26:29

Dara doesn't look like he can rap.

Alex: 1:26:31

Dara looks like he can do anything in my opinion. He's like, he's such a Chad. What a specimen that guy is. I tell you, it's, what a funny word to use specimen too. He is. He was, yeah. He was such a great dude. We got, okay, we could reminisce for another, like 45 minutes now, just about that trip in and of itself. Oh yeah. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna end the pod because, uh, it's like super late for you.'cause you're like six hours, six hours ahead of me or whatever. In Europe. Usually. Usually I'm the one who's like, super time. Oh, I thought they talk about

Nina: 1:26:59

borsch. I, I'll tell you after the podcast.

Alex: 1:27:01

Yeah. You, I don't know what that is. You did mention you had to cook Borsch and I'm like beetroot

Nina: 1:27:04

soup.

Alex: 1:27:05

It's beet rup soup.

Nina: 1:27:06

Beet beetroot soup.

Alex: 1:27:09

I've never, I'm not like beets. Are those the red? The red? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I know what bets are. Bet soup.

Nina: 1:27:13

It's beet soup. Oh, it's really good. Soup

Alex: 1:27:15

farms. The sh shrimp farms. He has. Yes. Okay. So I know what beets are. That's my bad. Mm-hmm. I can't be that dumb. But I appreciate you so much, Nina. Guys. As I said before, use those links. Get to Nina's social. She's a phenomenal content creator. Thank you for having, uh, thank you for joining us. I was gonna say thank you for having me. Uh, you're on our show, but thank you so much, show for joining me, my show. Thanks for showing up. We'll see you guys on the next one. Bye.