New Fantastic Four Season | Ranking Every New Card In July | June Cards In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 140

Will the Fantastic Four season bring some Fantastic cards? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in June? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Catching Up
• 0:43 Sunburn Stories and Summer Adventures
• 3:42 Marvel Snap Season Recap
• 4:52 New Cards Breakdown: Mr. Fantastic
• 13:31 New Cards Breakdown: Herbie
• 20:47 New Cards Breakdown: Human Torch
• 26:50 New Cards Breakdown: The Thing
• 29:59 New Cards Breakdown: Invisible Woman
• 34:54 Reviving Doom 2099
• 35:29 Rating the New Card
• 37:25 Fantastic Car Discussion
• 37:49 Art and Variants
• 39:05 Season Pass and Card Reviews
• 50:24 Grand Arena Speculations
• 54:21 Ranking the New Cards
• 58:31 Merlin: A Season Pass Highlight
• 1:01:26 Polymorph and Omni Universal Discussion
• 1:02:25 Morgan Le Fay's Underwhelming Performance
• 1:04:44 The Ancient One: A Disappointing Card
• 1:08:05 Nightmare: A Surprisingly Fun Card
• 1:12:34 Dormammu: A New Destroy Archetype
• 1:16:28 Kid Omega and Other New Cards
• 1:26:10 Final Rankings and Reflections
• 1:27:37 Snapchat Mailbag and Closing Remarks

Transcript

Cozy: 0:00

What's going on guys? And Happy Monday, late Monday, but we have the Snapchat out. We waited on the trailer to come and it is here. It has arrived and so has the Fantastic four, the first steps season. And uh, I'm back. Alex, I'm back from an absolute, but like Ariel grabbing my throat, my voice completely ripped. A shreds man. The most talking I've done in my life. And that's saying something.'cause uh, I, I'm a professional talker. But yeah, the month of June. It was crazy. Still, not even all the way I'm feeling a thousand percent here, but, uh, just happy to be back. Happy to see my beautiful man, Alex, and I can tell. Have you been, you been hitting, uh, you on a cruise ship or something, man. You looking 10.

Alex: 0:43

I know usually I have that like red purple Thanos look that everyone jokes about, oh, he is wearing lipstick and he looks like Thanos A I'm not wearing lipstick. BI got a brutal sunburn. I, my daughter was at a soccer tournament over the weekend and uh, I spent a lot of time outside and what was okay, I can, I be honest, this is my wife was like shaking her head. I mean, and I'm, everyone on the internet's gonna shake their head too, so I, I had sunscreen, but it was kids' sunscreen and I put it on my daughter and I was like, this is kids' sunscreen if I put it on. And I was like, no. Like I said, no, as if like in my head, like I'm just gonna man up against the sun. And then so I'm, you know, in the middle of the tournament, it's like two o'clock in the afternoon she's playing. I'm standing there and I'm thinking to myself, yo, it's like too damn hot. The sun is way too hot. Who made the sun this hot? And I stared at it for a bit until my eyes went blurry and I just got upset. And then this is what happened. I got a sunburn. So you

Cozy: 1:31

look like Kim Kardashian now. You look great. They, you have like 19 different shades of red and, and brown put together on you. You look fantastic. No, I love it. I love how like. Being a man. You know, it's like incorporates like certain things and for whatever reason, I don't know why sunscreen was ever in that, that bubble, but it's the stupidest thing to ever be like, I don't need it. I'm a man. And it's like, no, you're just frying your body, dude. No, man. I feel like all it takes, like there's things in life where like it happens one time and you're like, all right, never again. Right? Like, I'm just never gonna do X, y, Z again. For me, man, I got a, uh, I was on a cruise and I got a burn so bad that I was like. Begging for death. Like, just, just take me, take me. You can't sleep. Right. It, it happened one time. Done. Done. I, I'm like a, I'm a sunscreen guy now. Not an SBF like 100 guy, but I'm like in the fifties.

Alex: 2:20

Yeah. See, mine's not that bad. I'm always a little dark compared, I don't know what it's, I think it's our camera systems when lighting, we have to one day like. Have a call where it's just us figuring out how to get these things to light. Like, do I have to turn my lights up? Is that what it is? Do I have to like jack this light? But maybe that's better. That looks great. I'm not quite as red right now. I can't even look at the camera now. But but yeah, like it's, uh, it's not that bad. What it was though, honestly, is, I'll tell you when in Canada, the sun just bites a little less. It might be surprising to you. I remember when I was in Florida with the kids and I was like, yo, this sun is brutal. You walked outside and the sun was like attacking you. It's, this is just like, I was outside all day, like an idiot, you know what I mean? In Florida, I would've been like deceased, like it wouldn't, like, completely taken me out drunk. But uh. But you know what? I gotta tell you though, the summer, especially in as a Canadian, like, uh, you get so used to being kind of locked up in the wintertime and yeah, there's my kids all play hockey and stuff like that. And you get used to the winter. There is something beautiful about summer. Like my boys were gonna go fishing at some point and uh, I dunno, I'm just, I'm just excited.

Cozy: 3:17

Yeah, it was 4th of July over here. Uh, so I, uh, seconded It took the I don't know how long they took off, I'll be honest, but they did take a little holiday break and happy post 4th of July for all you guys out there. It was, uh, it was good over here, man. We went on a little bit of a boat and uh, just kind of just, just hung out, put around. My son got sick on the actual force, so I had to like delay the celebrations a bit, but it's still a good time and, uh, always fun, man. But either way, appreciate dare filling in. You guys talked a, a good amount, recap a lot, but we have a lot to recap over here. I mean, we had the whole season, we have, we talked about a little bit of commander on our kind of roast with Regis, which I think was the last time we were together. And it's funny'cause now we got even like we got like a Commander Light coming to Snap now in a new temporary game mode and a bunch of new cards. Alex, so talking about that, breaking all that down over here, what are we breaking down and talking on your side of Snapchat. On

Alex: 4:07

my side, it's actually relatively straightforward here. We're gonna be breaking down the prior season, talking about the cards in series five and four, going back and looking at our ratings, uh, giving our rankings and et cetera, and giving overall feedback as to how they landed and whether or not they're worth your pretty penny in Marvel Snap. But Cozy, I'm excited because, uh, we had a couple hot takes and, uh, well, we're gonna be held accountable.

Cozy: 4:28

Yeah, dude I feel good. I feel good. I, I know, uh, I do outside of Kid Omega that, you know, that whole fiasco that we couldn't predict. I know where I landed and I know I liked Merlin and I know I like nightmares, so I'm feeling pretty good about those two. We'll see how it works out though. It's always fun to hold ourselves accountable. Now we did look at this season like two months back and uh, yeah, I was definitely hot on some of these cards. You've had your time now to kind of bake and let these marinade a bit more. I think at the time he was a two three, but we start with the season pass card. Uh, and I say that just the season pass card, not the season pass plus card because we have a, a new card coming in, a a. Uh, it's, it is funny that the views are split on this, uh, for whatever reason, because instead of spending$120 a year now to get the season passcodes, you can spend 240 and get now an additional car. That's a series four that we believe has added. They didn't touch it on the trailer, but it's, it's been data mine now for a while. So we, we've got that. And then coming near, uh, soon we have what the season pass Ultra plus plus Ultra with five new cards. That'll be what? By Christmas, I'm sure in this point. But we've got Mr. Fantastic First steps. Two. Two. Alex, end of turn. Give a card in your hand, negative one cost or plus two power. Let's start with the star ratings and then go from there.

Alex: 5:45

Go with the firm four here. I don't think it's. I don't think it has like the five star pounding capability. Okay. Like, I just don't think it does. That was a weird sentence, but anyways. You guys know what I mean? Uh, I don't think it gets there. I think it's probably like in a Merlin range of like, it, this card's gonna be good, but it's not gonna be like the searchers or the Loki or the, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't hit the, those thresholds. It feels like a fair, strong. Generally applicable. Two drop. The, one of the challenges I have though is like, bro, like how many good two drops are they gonna release? Like thinking all this, it's always two. You have Sam Wilson, iron, Patriot, Merlin, Mr. Fantastic. And that's only like what I could have kept going.

Cozy: 6:24

They took it from like being three costs that were like the hot thing to down and then it went to four for a little bit. Now we're back down to two and it's been at two like ever since. It's funny, but just'cause something's not like the meta searcher that releases, which I think there's only a dime a dozen of those. To me, I still think Five Star is a five star and I gotta give him a five star. I just think it's too good for a two cost card. Really the only con is playing them late. Right? But other than that, you're getting a 2 4, 2 6 plus that, or minus one cost and a huge game changer. Thousands of cards, Sarah and more that can, you know, really, uh, benefit from that extra cost. So to me, I just feel like because you're not having to do anything with them, you just slap'em down there on turn two. Feels really solid and just a card that you're gonna wanna play in a plethora of decks and almost always has a good value in the deck. You put'em in. I love the flexibility about him. This is, yeah, this is by far my five star card of the month. And, and I, I, I feel like it was designed to, to be that way. Mr. Pedro here. Funny enough, the art that they did, I feel like Pedro got the worst of it. I don't know if they like, didn't get his full sign off on his likeness, but the other ones look like really close. And, hi. He looks close. But it's not like exactly like the other. I don't know if you, you could tell that, but I, I, it's like

Alex: 7:31

the temu version of Mr. Fantastic. Yeah, it's

Cozy: 7:33

like slightly temu version of Pedro. Uh, but it's cool though. It's cool to see, uh, more MC units into Snap as always. Yeah. So two, two guys. This card definitely speaks for itself. Obviously this could be cards. We talk about all the fantastic four to no surprise syner synergize with each other. And so you're gonna have cars that really help each other out. Funny enough, these cards are gonna get better as the month goes on too, right? So like that's one thing to take note of is it's gonna feel okay and then it's gonna feel even better and better. I believe we'll get to her, but an invisible woman got a good amount of a nerve. You know, I think at the time when we read her way long ago, it wasn't like an activate one time thing. It was like kind of all the time or something like that. I don't remember. But still, still a fine car. But that will play big impact here. Alex. You know, I again. If a card like this super flexible, there's so many things to talk about. You know, what, where do you wanna start with this?

Alex: 8:25

I, I just wanna start with saying that like, there's a couple things that hold me back from a five star rating. First of all, it's it's a random card being hit with a random effect. So that's kind of like a double ran whammy of randomness. It's either plus two power or negative on cost, both of which you take don't get me wrong, those are great effects. However, this feels like almost like it's like fast dose for your hand. And now it is cheaper and it's ha impacting cars that you can't immediately play. Whereas Faso, you have to draw into them. So this has an immediacy, which I do appreciate, but at the same time, first of all, yeah, it is kind of like way better to some degree. But what I will say though is like, it's not always gonna hit your brood. It's not always gonna hit the things that you want to target, right? And even then, if it hits the thing you want to hit, it might not even hit the effect that you want to hit. So that randomness, it pulls me back a little bit. This feels like a very generic, excellent card that you can add on almost any deck. And I feel like Merlin was the same way where it's like, you know what, if you're someone who's relatively new to the game or you're still working through your collection level, you're not collection complete. Mr. Fantastic is like the, oh, damn, I'm missing Jeff. Who do I I can just play Mr. Fantastic. Oh, I'm missing surge. I'll play Mr. Van. Actually, surge is another good two. Drop the chemo within the last little while talking about two drop inflation here. Uh, surge was one I almost didn't mention. But yeah, like honestly, if he feels like a very generic good card that can almost fit anywhere to some degree, but will obviously synergize very well with all the fantastics that are coming out this month and you really won't know his true power or all of them until the end of the month, honestly. And that's something you've already touched on.

Cozy: 9:55

Yeah. I think you bring up plenty of great points, and I think we had this conversation with Serge, I think that's a great card to have it with. We're like, well, what if it doesn't hit the card you want? And it almost just proved to not matter. Right. And I think that's why for him it's like. You have great upside if it hits things like in the right way. Like, no spoiler here, but like, I am gonna play a lot of these new cards in Surfer. I think they were just kind of meant to be together. And like, this is a great example. Like you play this guy in two and he can really help you out in the later turns. It can hit, Shaw to build that up. It can hit that brood, whatever. But then also if it doesn't, you're just getting pure good value out of him. And, and you can also. Help mitigate a lot more. Since it's in de turn, you can play down and whittle down that hand size to make sure it does target or give yourself a much better chance to target something. But yeah, to your point, could be cost, could be power. So most of the time you're just, with luckily, minimum zero is not, or minimum one's not there, so you can't get a free play, you know, if it does hit something down FAOs, you don't know what you're gonna draw when you're gonna draw it. This is a bit more dedicated to that too. And it's two. And at my point, if we look at things back in the day that we used to rank high, it's like, I, I just feel like for me personally, you're getting that value no matter what. Whether it's the minus cost or it goes up and you get a two eight value outta this guy, right? It just seems solid outside of, obviously I. You know, if you don't draw, if you draw'em late, then it's not gonna be exactly the best. Then it takes up a spot. But same can go for se and Sege got plenty of love, right? So this is, I've just seen nothing but good value out of it, and it's a just super easy card to get that value out of.

Alex: 11:25

First of all, um, you mentioning Surfer before me on this podcast. How dare you? Yep. Secondly, what I will say is I have a fun thing that I wanna do with this card on day one. And this might sound like cope. I'm still designing the deck. I'm not quite ready. Usually by now I have the deck ready but like I'm still trying to figure it out. I have this deck I'm calling Unironically Fantastic Galactus. And if you think about it, G-Man, getting plus two power G-Man getting negative won't cost or all very significant and especially with the negative won't cost'cause no one's gonna be able to anticipate a G-Man hit along those lines on turn five or even four depending on what happens, right? So I was trying to develop a Galactus fantastic deck. Which I think could be potentially interesting for that surprise factor. And again, I'm still working on the details of it, but like I just think that this card has such a wide applicable play style that you could slide it into some very interesting stuff and get some very interesting effects. And Galacto is somewhere that I'm gonna be testing.

Cozy: 12:19

How dare they help is what kind of world, what kind of multiverse we living in. Yeah. Uh, I like it. First of all, cook. Cook, solid cook. I think there's gonna be a lot of cooks with this guy. There's gonna be a lot of different places that you can go with, obviously like. You could go as wonky, as like scarlet spider stuff or you can go more simplified. Uh, once we get to the other cards, you'll see why I think surfers just like a natural fit outside of even just Shaw and Brood. I just think it makes a ton of sense with the guy. But he will work, uh, across the board in plenty of different decks. So I feel like there's a lot of different angles that you can go with him. And I feel it almost reminds me of like kind of not iron patriot, but where it's like there's so many different angles that we could talk on his specific synergies. For a long time. I just think solid card gonna work across the board. Definitely. For me it's a, it's an easy, it's an easy, if you want a, a flexible staple meta card, I think it's gonna be vis, uh, Mr. Fantastic.

Alex: 13:08

Yep. No, I absolutely agree. And uh, yeah, we do have a lot to tole today. And it's funny'cause like I feel like we're gonna be bringing Mr. Fantastic up a couple times here as we go back and forth.'cause there's so much interwoven synergy between all these cards. Right.

Cozy: 13:20

Yeah. And so it's funny, I don't wanna like whip through the cards, but also we kind of need to so that we can try to overlay some of the conversations. I think that's fair. So, yeah, no, I totally agree with that. Let's go ahead and, and bring up our next one here. And this one has a, a multitude of different options here. We've got Herbie, now Herbie is a two three each sharing this is in place, so up to a new activate ability until this one is used. And this one has stayed about the same since. It was data mine. So you've got one where it's gonna give two of your cards at each other location plus one power for an activate. You can have one where the next turn you get plus two energy mamamia. You're gonna have another one where you create a rock here and it's gonna set its power to four. Alex. And then lastly, you've got double this cards power. So looking at those but I guess before we dive into those effects, you know, looking those across the board, what do you have, Herbie, in terms of your star rating?

Alex: 14:12

I, I like this card a lot. And, um, this is one of like the, the issues of like having like a, like a five star rating system where it's like I'm saying this is a four star and not to like, how do I explain this? I'm not sure that I think this could be better than Mr. Fantastic. Like I actually wonder about it. I think the randomness of the Nico effect of the. The Herbie stuff, like I think that kind of brings it back a little bit. But then again, you couldn't have a two three that gives you plus two power.'cause then like then what the hell's Jennifer Kale? Yeah. So it's like you need the, well, you can't fully rely on either one of these, but they're all pretty damn good. Like, I actually think this is a really good card, man. Yeah. Like honestly, this is a banger card and I, I, once again, just like Mr. Fantastic. I think it's very wide, very applicable to multiple play styles. It's another card that if you're a relatively low collection level player, like you can add it, but it's another two drop too, man. Like how, like what are we doing with all these two drops? What are we supposed to do with all these cards, man? Yeah, dude. I mean, I like this card though.

Cozy: 15:05

Yeah. There's only what, four options that could go in between, so that's a win right there. Obviously the biggest con is it being activate, right? So it does, you do have a little bit of a thing to work around there outside of when you can play. But most of the effects you would wanna play earlier than that anyway. Right. So. For me, I feel like, yeah, getting the ultimate prize of the plus two energy is like winner winner chicken dinner. You have such a huge win advantage at that point, right? And that, and that can happen as early as that next turn. So it's like, that's huge. That, that's crazy, right? But then you also have the chance just to get a base two six, right? Or just a base added on for, there's so many different, just like easy ways to get the value outta this. I think the boomer bust is a bit, I like it better if you're, um. For what? MFFS, what do we call that, Mr. Fantastic First Steps. MFFS. That's what we call'em. Instead of, I, I guess people will never get confused with that. We're talking about the less relevant Mr. Fantastic. Now that we have double ups on some of these cards, but yeah, I think he's great. And, and for that energy win hit alone, I like it a lot. Uh, I'm good with four. I think that's a solid hit. I think him rotating through it. Yeah, it's gonna, the problem is, is it will feel bad not getting that energy hit a and like these other ones will be fine. It's like, oh, I got a two six or plus more than that because there's cars that can feed into this thing and that's, that's why this thing gets bonkers.'cause if you look at it and you're like, oh two six you nice. But this a could go so much higher than this and it could continue to scale up. You have Reed that can even get this going. The two cost is the only awkward thing.'cause once you look at all these cards, it's like, man, you. You can only play so many at each turn and when you're gonna wanna play'em. And so that's the only thing that can kind of get in the way. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a banger.

Alex: 16:42

First of all, I thought I heard you say that Herbie was an M-F-F-F-S, and I was like, bro, that's a lot of swearing in abbreviation form. All at once. And then like I realize you said something else altogether. You're referring to Mr. Fantastic. I've never been able to keep up with like the lingo Cozy, you seem so far on top of it all the time. In that, that just made up. People said Professor X and then Pro X, and then you said Pro X, and then that stuck, which is so that's like one of your big influential moments. Sing Pro X all the time. So I, I take your, I take your like short forms very seriously and that's why I was a little concerned then. I appreciate

Cozy: 17:13

it. If I, you know, die, I'm, I'm glad that I have that, you know, pro X and S Snap. That's what I want on my gravestone.

Alex: 17:20

Yeah. But, uh, the thing about this card and the only thing that gives me some pause, first of all, I think it's really good. It is in like the most competitive space in Snap at two costs now, right? It was just kind of wild. The only other side, and I thought about this, it almost has like this double slow effect where. If you play it, it's an activate. Yep. And then you have to wait for it to reveal what, like, so it's like, it, it's like not only is it an activate, which is slow, but you have to wait for it to reveal something you want to do, which is an additional slow on it. Right. So, and it also might be a situation where you're like, well damn I have the activate two other cards at each powerful one. But the other location for plus power, I don't wanna use that yet. Yep. Or you might get the Double Discards power and you're like, well damnit, I can't play Kori yet. Kari's next turn. Or,'cause it's turn three and I'm playing Kho on four. Or why the hell are you playing Khoi anyways? But like, it's the idea of like, you're not gonna get them always in the order you want. Yeah. And like you might, oh, you might roll into, okay, well okay, I played it on turn four, whatever. Then you turn it to turn five and it's like plus two energy for turn. Like it's the end of the game now you're like, well, damnit, like what do I do now? Right. That's the only thing.

Cozy: 18:19

Yeah. I, I get what? A hundred percent. I think it's really like, go for plus two energy, or not bus, but like that you, you can use that at any church to success, but to your point, these other ones, like you can't. Right. So it's like, I. Activates can be like, this is one of the worst cars to get late because it's just like, by the time it gets it's used, it's like it's it's, it's gone. It's gonna be, uh, too late at that point. But to its point, it's like, yeah. You know, getting plus two energy in any of the latter turns is gonna give you such a boost in advantage, especially when you look at some of these cars that these are gonna synergize with. So that does gimme he hesitancy. But yeah, I mean, we'll have to see how it's not like we're gonna have to see how this one plays out'cause we can really well read it. It's more of like, we're also gonna have to just see how these cards play out as like a unit together. Yeah, that's right. That's a big it's gonna be so weird that we have, you know, we, we have synergy between season cards, but like, we've never had so much direct, like, we're creating an archetype through these cards thing here. But on that note, you know, Herbie can work with more than just them, which is nice.

Alex: 19:16

Also. I'm gonna call out Disney here. Uh, Herbie looks like, uh. Like Wallys 2.0 FS the Jetsons. So they need to get called out on this?

Cozy: 19:24

Yeah. Oh, oh, Wally from Disney? Yeah. Yeah, that too. I thought I was thinking that little Jetson, uh, Jetson bought, wasn't the Jetsons based in like 2010 or something. And now look where we, we don't have any of that. We no flying cars. We just have,

Alex: 19:37

I don't remember the Jetsons. I know, I remember like the title screen. I know what the Jetsons like title thing song looks like. I don't think I've ever watched it.

Cozy: 19:44

Oh, dude, I used to watch that in Flintstones. Man,

Alex: 19:47

you, you never watched Little Flintstones. I remember the morning cartoons I had were, um, were Inspector Gadget into Beast Wars.

Cozy: 19:55

Yeah. I mean the, these were not exactly our generation's morning cartoons, but they were there. They, they, those are the OGs, man.

Alex: 20:03

Ba bam. No, they were, they were great, man. Do you know what one age really poorly. I watched with my kids, like, not, so I watched the OG Rugrats, bro, it looks so bad. Oh, dude, you're trying to watch it now though. The animation is rough.

Cozy: 20:15

Oh yeah, dude. I'm sure, man, I wasn't allowed, uh, I was allowed to watch it, but my parents made sure that they told me Angelica was, was bad to their parents. Rude to their parents. I don't you know, Angelica. Okay. Anyway, yeah, I don't

Alex: 20:26

remember the details.

Cozy: 20:27

Hubert torch. Hubert torch, this art's fire, by the way, if you watch the, um, the video trailer, I, I like that that guy said that this was the hardest one for him. By the way. That artist was sick. He held to like the MCU and stuff, but he said this was the. I just wanted to get into his style, but it also fit his style really well, and it came out awesome. So, either way, I don't know if it was this art that he was talking about, but actually it wasn't. But anyway, three, two humid torch. He's a three, two end of turn, plus one power. The end of turn, he's always gonna gain plus one power once per game. If your site is full, double this card's power instead. So Mama Mia, Alex, mama Mia. This is a really good card. Uh. It, this is a, this card. I think when we read in data mine, I was like, oh, it's a cool card. It is gonna work with like, you know, the new Sue and the new, just the other cards coming out this month. And I'm like, dang, this is just a gas Surfer card. Like this is just such a good Surfer card on every single level. And then now you can combine that with the other stuff we're about to get. But bro, this was just meant for that deck between brood, between Surfer, powering this thing up and, and making it all work in one unison. This is like a win con bro for Surfer.

Alex: 21:35

First of all, you mentioning Surfer a second time? No, before podcast? No, it's mine. Podcast. Dare. I'm taking

Cozy: 21:39

it now. This is, it's it is it, it is. Yeah. He is good though. What do we, what are we thinking on star rating on this guy though?

Alex: 21:46

Uh, this was almost my five drop. Mm. This is almost my five, and I think this card might be actually incredible. Yeah. The condition might be difficult at times to get that double power up, but even without it, I still think it puts up some fairly legitimate power. I'm leaning 4.5 only because I didn't have the conviction to give it five. I still see some potential downside on it, but I think that this is a phenomenally strong card in both Silver Surfer and in traditional zoo.

Cozy: 22:14

Yeah, it, yeah. Across the board. Funny enough, yeah, we're, we're not gonna be too far in ratings. This, this month I had 4.5 for him. Two, I think. When you look at it, it's like, okay, Surfer, he is the win con. So you have that, like he's naturally gonna work in there. It's just gonna fit perfectly and played on curve, which won't always happen, but play it on curve. He's insane value for what he is worth. And then anything, uh, that can manipulate his powers even crazier, and then just playing him in a full location flat out, you're getting some of the best value you can get in the game at a three jump. Okay, so you've got that going for you. Yes. You have zoo, and then you have, we have so many more cards now. Like if you were just coming back to Snap. Maybe you've been golf for like a year. The amount of cars now that feed power into other cards is just like exponentially increased, right? And we've even had OTAs to touch up. Like there's been so much given to that kind of play style now. That's really like a year ago, this guy would not be near as good. Now it's just like a much different game for him. Uh, and I agree. I, funny enough, I'm glad you brought up Zoo.'cause Zoo fits in with a lot of these cards and, and the archetypes as a whole. But yeah, dude, this thing is gas. This can absolutely go crazy and, and talk about just like the instant rude Richard synergy. So you've got that whether it's a cost reduction or a power, this is one of those win-win parts, right? And then to some of the ones that we get to later. Uh, yeah, this is up there towards my favorite of the month, especially in play style.

Alex: 23:30

Yeah, I almost gave this five. One thing I will say is that it works perfectly in Surfer, just'cause you get it down, you can leave that location with just. Human torch there, and then on two you turn five, Sarah turn six. You can do something like brood into that location or right. You could try to figure out like how you time it. You'd probably have to fill it first and then surf for it. This is the only challenge, right? The turn order, because if you Surfer it first and then fill. It'll get, it'll double up on that Surfer effect. Right? However, if you use something like a brood to fill, you probably wanna hit those broods with the Surfer. Yep. And so playing it out and feeling how these lines work is gonna be important.'cause generally speaking, the last card you play is gonna be Silver Surfer. However, we also have a lot of these end of turn effects. So it's like, I don't, I don't know, man. It's gonna be interesting.

Cozy: 24:16

I agree with this a hundred percent, but I also think brood is the one you want to go to. But I also think that you almost. Not never wanna do that, but most oftentimes you don't unless you draw super late because the bro's already a win con in a, in a lane so many times, right? So this one you just kind of plan out ahead of time like, alright, I'm gonna put, two here, another cart here, and then you end with Surfer, Surfer goes, pops off. Then surfers that last bit brings that lane up all the way right with this guy. And then broods popping off on the other lane. Like, that's kind of my thought with it. But yeah, if you get him late, you're gonna have to try to do an insta fill kind of thing, but you can set up for him.

Alex: 24:49

The one thing that I was thinking about was like, can you finish his, his requirement with Surfer? But I bet you once the card's face down, it's gonna double his power. Mm. So let's say this is the third card in a lane and you play Surfer as the fourth. It won't wait for Surfer to reveal to then double human tortious power. Now we haven't seen this yet. We don't actually know. But I would imagine the card being faced down would cause this to double. And then the Surfer effect would happen if it was the other way around where Surfer would reveal and then it would double its power. It'd be huge, but I don't think that's how it mechanically will work.

Cozy: 25:19

Alright. Make sure you just go Surfer, then absorb a man that's been reduced in cost with the uh, with what? Yeah, no, that is a good point for sure. Uh, and they probably thought about a lot of this,'cause these now surfers getting so many different ways to really go vertical and horizontal quickly. Right? So. I'm just glad to have a human torch that isn't strictly on move my God. What a fun hero to actually be able to play. That's not tied to an archetype that not a lot of people mess around with. I think that's just a win. But yeah, between what you were saying earlier with Zoo, um, and even like, I think you said it at the opening of the Snapchat, just like even cars that you get so early on, like an Iron Heart, it's like cool, like it, things can work with this very well and I like the way it kind of works itself out.

Alex: 26:00

Yeah. I will say that also I think that this has some potential with like, agent havoc, decks. Uh, the, um, like the venom ones is what the agent Venom, I should say. I called it agent havoc, agent Venom, because this could get up to, uh, you know, agent Venom or bastard to, uh. To three. Three. And then those cards, those decks often want these after turn effects happening, like thena and stuff like that. You could also consider a future card we're gonna be talking about momentarily to double up on those types of effects. So I feel like there could be a agent havoc style like deck with a lot of these fantastic pieces that actually is kind of clutch and that's one of the places I look forward to most going with this card too.

Cozy: 26:38

Absolutely, man. That's what I think. Just like man, between Reed. Counting in Surfer and giving power though here too, to go with galactic. Ah, dude, there's a lot of, there's a lot of heat with this guy, no pun intended. Moving on, we got Ben Grim, the thing five six, end of turn plus two power once per turn if your sight here is full, destroy an enemy card here with less power. Alex, what are you feeling about this one?

Alex: 27:04

So I actually do think this card's pretty good. It's just, it's one of those things where, in comparison to some of the other ones, I don't see. Like, I feel like the human torch is better. I feel like Mr. Fantastic iss better. I feel like this might be the weakest of the bunch despite on any other regular season. This would probably still be a good card. Uh, I'm going like the 3.5 range. I think this is probably gonna be a legit card. I don't see massive downside in it or anything like that, but I feel like it's perhaps more situational than the others.

Cozy: 27:29

Yeah, I can see that. I mean, it's be a five 10, right? I mean more often than not. So you got that, you have Herbie that can make a rock. You know, you've got like things that kinda like help it. Because my biggest issue is like, all right, you fill a lane out, like you're gonna win that lane. Most likely, like, at least with a lot of the way these decks play out. So like, destroying a car doesn't mean as much, right? Because like that lane's full. And what ways you want to do that, you know, and, and look into it. I agree. I think like it, because there's only so many cards in a deck. Like how, how will he look? There's gonna be cards in this family, this first family that, get cut out and, and is he one of them? Does he. Make up for the other powerful slots and and opposed to the other ones, he's competing now for a much tougher spot in the game. Right. In, in, in the, in the, in the game. Within the game Right Turn order wise. And so that makes me a bit uncomfortable with, with how you draw him and how it's gonna work out. But that being said, he could definitely ramp up pretty big and make some big, you know, kind of game swinging plays. But I'm just, yeah. I'm less gassed about'em.

Alex: 28:31

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly how I feel as well. My first thought was, thank God he is not a two drop. So that's, that's going. It's, I guess it's a win. So yeah, but honestly, like I, we haven't gotten like many five drops lately. This one here feels like it's a pretty interesting design. If it feels reminiscent of Spider-Man 2099, five drop that destroys something that obviously doesn't see play, but this condition feels like it might potentially be better than Spider-Man, 2090 nines. I don't know. I'm all over the place on this one. I can see it being like just a good card, but not like the game shaker that some of these other ones could potentially be.

Cozy: 29:01

And they were sure to do two things to make all these cards benefit massively off of either Reed or Sue. And this is another one. Like you get this guy down to four and if he gets hit with that negative one cost, you're like. Hell yeah. So like, okay, Johnny gets hit with the plus two power, that's what you want. And if he gets, if he gets hit with the minus one, now you're looking at at at a four 12. So obviously is much better. And that's why I continue to think Reed, outside of just the first family is gonna just be one of the cards to have. But yeah, you know, I think this guy has, is gonna have a home. I think he's gonna be fun to play with, but I think compared to the rest of them, he will probably fall. Somewhat flat, I guess is the way I, is the way to say it. But yeah, I think we're both still. What did you give him?

Alex: 29:46

I gave him a 3.5. Yeah. You've not given a rating yet.

Cozy: 29:50

Yeah, I'm gonna go with 3.5 because of Reed's synergy. Outside of that, I'm a little less, less who just copy me now. A little less, uh, big on that. Yeah. I, I'll go first next time. Invisible woman, Sue Sue Storm three five. She's a three five premium stat line. Alex, activate this turn. Your end of turn abilities happened twice. So I, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like this was not an activate last time when we looked at this.

Alex: 30:18

I'm having a hard time remembering. However, I still think this is really good. No, it's still very good. But also I have, so I have so many thoughts about this card. Like this is the one where I'm just like question mark, LOL.

Cozy: 30:28

It is one of those cards that it's like you're gonna laughably win or not laughably lose, but it's all, it there's setup that needs to happen with it also. Yeah. The, the art, I don't know her face just Right.

Alex: 30:39

This looks like art from oblivion. What is this?

Cozy: 30:41

It scares me, dude. Dude, that's a good, that's a good call actually. Like 360 oblivion, like way back in the day of living, like where it's like the round faces. But back then we were like, whoa, look at the graphics. Um, and they

Alex: 30:52

do the thing where it like, zooms in.

Cozy: 30:54

Yeah. Oh my gosh. And the lips were, yeah, maybe something else. But yeah, I, I think, uh, I, first of all that we could talk about it. Obviously we, we talked about this in the past, but high Evo you know, you do have, you do have that going for, you have a couple other end of turn cars that can work, so you do, you do have some other synergy outside of the first family. This is a much more narrow card by design though. You do have to look at that. It does open up the landscape for the activates, but it also single handedly goes crazy. In these first, in the first family build. Like it goes wild in that'cause there's some really good pop pops with it. But I, yeah the single activate, I'm looking, uh, talk while I look here'cause I, I have the, uh, the card I wanna find. When we talked about this a couple months ago, I'm, I'm, I feel like they changed it on this.

Alex: 31:43

Alright, so a couple things while Cozy searches here this has been one of those cards where like I've been really wrestling with myself with, in terms of the rating and stuff like that. And first of all, three point, uh, 3.5 stat line is so awesome. It's just so awesome. It feels so low risk, especially in an era where you're getting so many of these end of turn effects. And it wouldn't surprise me if the next couple of seasons we get more end of turn effects. The prior design, if it was different, was probably completely out of, out of control crack. This one here, also being a three drop. It gives it space between Reed, it gives it space between Herbie, it gives it space between, well, Herbie, you don't really care about with this card, but it gives it space with that. Two, the fact it's not a two drop is good because there's so many good two drops you wanna play this one. Being a three helps. And even with like high Evo, for instance. Okay, this here allows you to go invisible one on three. And then you can play your cyclops on four, four pew pew, go into turn five and then double pew p. And then perhaps if it works, like I would expect it, maybe double float the, uh, you know, the she Hulk. I'm trying to think, what's she Hulk's text say? Now that I think about it, is it actually end of turn? Is it an end of turn effect She hulk? Or does it just say. For every energy. Why can't I remember the text of a card I play so much. Um, it's so funny when you're talk, when you're talking about mechanics, it's so important to actually look at the verbiage

Cozy: 33:01

at the, the left. Yeah, yeah. Does it say in, I don't think it says in 10. I think it says at the well. Does it? Yeah. Let's, uh, well, well I'll let you look at that up, by the way, solution for this. She was a three four by, I know, right? She was a three four by the way. Uh, with the same thing. So she got technically better. This is a, wow. You're gonna win that much more card. Or like how much I, you're right. This is probably the toughest one to rank.'cause like how imperative is she gonna be the deck? I think she's gonna be a good card. I think she's definitely gonna be a good card, don't get me wrong. At 3.5, but I don't know. I like her less than Reed and Human Torch by a fair amount. I feel like because of her, yeah. I feel like because of her win and the three five stat line makes me nervous, it makes me feel like she does, she's not as, uh, what is she? You you saw it with She Hulk.

Alex: 33:48

I just brought up shield. I just opened my game. Uh, it says cost one less for each unspent energy each turn. It's not an end of turn effect.

Cozy: 33:54

Yeah, I didn't feel that. Which is

Alex: 33:54

hilarious because I've played, she Hulk probably more than anyone on the planet, and I shouldn't say that. There's someone out there who's definitely played more. But I played a lot of She Hulk, and it took me a second to remember like, wait a minute, I don't actually think it's a turn effect. So it would not interact with She Hulk, but it would interact with a bunch of the other stuff that you have in vo.

Cozy: 34:09

I'm gonna go, I think I'm gonna go with three and a half. Ooh. I'm gonna go a little bit lower only because of, uh, not, I'm not saying that you're not gonna have like crazy pop off with this, but I just feel like given the stat line and given how. Well, this will work, and given how those decks are already gonna function pretty good because I'm looking at the other cards, right? It's like you got Human torch. I guess we haven't talked about the Fantastic car though. Oh,

Alex: 34:38

you're looking at the wrong cards. You want me to change your mind right now?

Cozy: 34:40

Yeah, well we didn't look at, okay. Yeah. Go ahead

Alex: 34:43

Tina. Havoc. Okay, both end of turn, doom 2099, end of turn. And that card has been there so many times. And I honestly think it's still a good deck that has probably just fallen outta like the mindset of the player base. You know what, people just got over it. They got over Doom 29 9. This brings Doom 29 9 back hard. And you think about how that end of turn effect is double dipping on the buffing of the bots,

Cozy: 35:09

right? Yeah,

Alex: 35:10

it is. It's basically like free limbo for that deck while shutting it down early. I think that this card might be cracked in a Doom 29 9 show. I

Cozy: 35:17

like that. Okay. Yeah.'cause I, I, I was going more middle of the pack for the Fantastic four, like that kind of synergy. And even with High Evo a little bit, I'm like, how much is she worth that slot? Yeah. But yeah, doom. Okay. I could see it more. So what do you give her? You go like, you go in like four and a half or something.

Alex: 35:33

You know what? I might go five on this. I might go five. Okay. I have concerns, like this is like, this is an uneasy five. Like I've had like. I'm five in this card, bro. This is more of an uneasy five. It's probably more of a 4.5, but I'm gonna go balls to the walls and say five just for the, just for the memes, you know what I mean? I do see this car potentially being awesome. I have a concern that, is it like the Wong of this archetype? It's like, bro, that's just greedy. Get that out of the deck. I get that concern, but I don't know, man. I'm gonna go through, I'm gonna stay with

Cozy: 35:59

three and a half. I think I am. I just feel like, yeah, it's like how much do you want her in the deck? How much she gonna work? In these archetypes that already win in different ways, and how much is she needed? I feel like there's gonna be like silly wins with her too. Like I'm not saying she's, she's gonna have some crazy combos because it, she's a three and a half now, but she's can go way past that in the future because end of turn, that's like, you know, you just said it. They're gonna definitely mess with that as we move forward there. But I like it. We have a little bit of a difference here. I like that. Yeah.

Alex: 36:28

And the reason why I like it too is because if I think about what those Doom 2099 decks look like is you do like Azabu into Doom 29 on three, and that allows you to start getting those bots out. You play this on four, you know what I mean? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then you just, and then another bot comes out and you're already on your game plan and you doom or whatever, and you activate. And then all of a sudden it's like bots, bots, bots,

Cozy: 36:47

bots. I just that

Alex: 36:48

like, there's just a lot. And then what if, what if you use Ben Grim in that deck and all of a sudden he fills a location with the bots? Boom. Destroy a car on the other side and

Cozy: 36:59

gain, I gain plus two twice there and gains plus two twice and the torch gains plus. Okay. Alright. I see it. I like it. I want it to happen. I'm wondering if it's more fun than it is. Good. I think the three five, her going from three four to three five is what makes me nervous. You usually see that with cards that, uh, uh, perform less than stellar in second dinner's eyes, but we'll have to see. So those are all the cars kind of put together in one unit, gonna work together great, but also moving forward. But we do have. The fantastic car, Alex, the fantastic car.

Alex: 37:29

I need to get my whi for this conversation or what

Cozy: 37:32

season pass. Plus I've seen people like, who cares? It's the cheapest way to get a car now. It's so cheap because it's, it's easier than getting other cards, but, you know, I don't know if that makes it much better. Uh, and

Alex: 37:45

one more thing I wanna say before you go off Sue Storm there, not Sue Storm. What? That was her name. Yeah. I am upset with the fact that's the art we get and rivals gets the other part. Yeah. I, dude, right, dude, this movement. Yeah. They're saving for variance,

Cozy: 37:55

bro. They're waiting for variance. They, they were like, Kyle, can we find her not like beating on a maker as also this art makes it look like two storms in both seats.

Alex: 38:04

Fantastic. Car is more physically attractive than that. That image. Look at that. Yeah,

Cozy: 38:07

look at that front bumper, bro. I'm already, uh, I'm a rock. Okay, so I'm talking about Gigi, I'm talking about the thing. Uh, look at the thing in that little front bucket there. He's got, he's got a good little view there. Doesn't it look like Johnny Storm's also suit like that? Their hair?

Alex: 38:23

I can't tell them apart. I could, I guess he has a flaming fist, right?

Cozy: 38:27

Yeah. I don't know about this thing. I feel like this design too, these, these guys are like mass scientists. They could have probably come up with a little bit of a better design, maybe. I don't know. Do you

Alex: 38:35

think that they like actually hamstring the artist? I don't. Okay. I don't wanna chirp book that. I don't wanna, the artist can fly because I obviously have no talent myself, but it's like. Did they tell him like, yo, don't make it look that good? Yeah, I need you. Do you think he can look at it? You're

Cozy: 38:48

10 out, 10, you're in 10 out 10 artists, but we have you as the base card. I need you to do this left-handed. Like, if that's okay with you. Or like 10 whiskeys in like, and then they like send it back like, it's too good. Make the thing look worse. Make'em look smaller. But yeah, who knows? Hey guys, this is our season pass plus reviewed card. I think the thing that like, just kind of tells me what I need to know is that if this does come out in a new season, plus plug plus whatever, they didn't mention it in the trailer and to me that means that they're just afraid to do so. So why are gonna, they mention it in the trailer if it does come out in the past. It truly is like why? Just mention it in the trailer. Like you stand on the ground that you, you you're trying to do your thing on, right? Like that to me is. I don't like that practice personally, but maybe it doesn't come out that way. Maybe it doesn't get, this is all data. Mine could

Alex: 39:36

not. Yeah. We really don't know. And actually it's ironic because you and I waited for, the trailer waited because of something exactly like this. Like we chose to wait for this moment to be like, okay, we need clarification on Fantastic Car because it was a data mine recently, the suggested. It was gonna be applied to the limited time game over. Looks like that could be the grand arena or whatever. Right. So did they actually change course? Did they take the feedback from what was going on with the kiddo Omega be like, bro, we can't do this. People are gonna absolutely go insane. Which people are already going insane because it, they already confirmed they were gonna be doing something like this and then they tried to. I, I don't know. We don't know. And the fact that it was taken out of, I'm assuming they had something recorded about it and they're like, yo, let's just cut that part. Is that portable fantastic card? Let's just cut it. Yeah. To give us a little bit of the leeway to decide what we're gonna be doing with it up until the last moment. So we really don't know for sure if this is a limited time game mode card, a series four card or an FU give us money card We don't know yet,

Cozy: 40:31

but we do know it's a series 4, 4 7 activate. Give your end of turn cards plus two power. So. Obviously not bad. You know, last, last play of the game, you get yourself some, some big time net gain from this thing. And opposed to, four seven's not the worst, it could definitely go well above your fours and an average play. Especially if you line it up just perfectly. You're gonna have to really line up some of these, uh, on the.here to get like, Johnny to kick off or whatever, right? Uh, I keep calling'em Johnny instead of like their. Superhero names. I'm used to doing that from rivals, but I don't know. I like this card. I think it's gonna work in the thing. Uh, do you think it's gonna fit in a shell though? I like, that's the ultimate question.

Alex: 41:12

Oh, there's a couple things about this card. Uh, first of all, almost all my notes are about like whether or not it's paid wall or not. So it's just kind of hilarious.'cause now I don't know what to do. I'm kidding. I have all tons of notes. So I think this might actually be a really good card. However, it's a card that really we don't understand the full power of until Sue Star comes out. Until we get to the end. Of the season. Yeah. Where we have all of the cards to create the fantastic deck. We don't really know how this archetype's gonna shape up. I think that this could potentially be very strong. I think that the four drop is very good and it feels like, again, the way they designed it means that you could kind of play things together. 2, 3, 4, Ben Grimm, whatever, like you have those lines, right. For that reason, I think this is probably a good car. I can see it in a 3.54 star range. I think that it works well with like, even some other stuff that you might not consider off the top. Like, I'm trying to remember, like Adam Warlock.

Cozy: 42:02

It can go with like they, like Adam Morelock, not like you'd use it with like Red Hulk, but you've got like, you have cars that can like, that can benefit just from the plus power. There is two. That new Silver Surfer that's gonna like, repeat the on reveal if you're winning that location. Like that kind of stuff is really gonna matter as well. And, and it just works naturally into that. And so. There is a multitude of stuff. Like next season is very much feeding into this still too the gala, this whole shtick that looks like it's coming out. So yeah, it's gonna have its place. It you are correct. We're gonna have to see I if it's better than, you know, something like a, a Marlin, whatever these catchall cards, like does this fit into that better?

Alex: 42:41

What I'm trying to figure out here and I just grab my phone so I can like, look at a couple things here. It's like. Dude, there are a lot of end of turn cards. A surprising one, like we're focusing very much on the fantastic. By the way, when I opened up my phone, it asked me for a survey question. Has there anything frustrated you with Marvel Snap lately? I don't know if you've seen that it popped. I didn't. I wish I didn't click through it. Anyone, you guys in the comments, you'll, you would've seen it too.'cause there's no way it was sent to me. But that's awesome. Um, like I'm checking right now, I believe Hydro Bob is an end of turn card, right? There's so many cards that like likely benefit from this. And um, I don't know. I just think that when you have cards that have this very wide applicable range, I think that like you, because you can put them anywhere, they're very likely to find a spot where they actually pop up. Yeah. Hydro bobb iss an end of turn card. So this would buff hydro bobb to a one six.

Cozy: 43:31

Yeah. You have eson, you have hydro bobb, not like black hat would be, uh, used. But you have bad guy. You got bacard. Again, these are not, lemme use as much thena to your point. Sunspot game plus in turn game plus one power for each unspent energy. That's obviously gonna be gas on some of this. That's gonna be a great one to double hit with the visible woman. Holy crap, Cyclops. Oh man, I feel like I underrated her now. Yeah, obviously all the, um, all the, uh, man and Adam Morelocks too, if you're winning an Adam Morelock lane, you can, you can really feast into that as well, like, and, and kind of pop up with it. Havoc. Marvel boy. Oh dude. That's right. That's why I was going crazy about Invisible Woman was also with like Zeus, like Marvel Boy is wild with Invisible too. I hate my three and a half. I might go to four now. Now that I'm looking at this full list of end of turns, I feel comfortable going to four. That's fine.

Alex: 44:20

You want me to change it to a four Cozy?

Cozy: 44:21

Yeah. Now that we're looking at, we'd have the whole list pulled up. Yeah. I feel like she's a little bit more flexible than it can be. Although I'm gonna regret this in like a month. Be like I had it at three and a half.

Alex: 44:30

How often you regret it? I went five.

Cozy: 44:32

Yeah, that's fair. You

Alex: 44:33

have perfect. Like if I do have some safety, if I, and unlike you, rose it, if it's low, I look like a clown. Either way, you're safe.

Cozy: 44:39

That is fair. So those are like the main ones. Those are the main end, end of turns that, that just popped off. But how much, you know, like how many of those do you have down and how much can you like, swing that into, I mean, yeah, you can make this into like what the, it's not even about getting like the four 11 power or four 13. It's like what can you do with that given power?

Alex: 44:59

What I find fascinating is what's the end of turn looks like? Like how do you delay Marvel snaps so hard that the game becomes unplayable. Like you start it with like Thanos and Ahum and then you have all these activates. So like a three minute game turns into nine minutes of animations going off because you start with all these animations and then you end with all these animations and I don't know, I just had that thought like actually chaining together, these activates near the end of the game if you draw them all is actually gonna be kind of weird. Crazy. It's like the

Cozy: 45:27

one thing they keep running into with this, like playing at the same time, gameplay loop and fast game. It's like a lot of games benefit off of cool animations and stuff. This one's like me want to play faster, don't make me watch fantastic car, fly in the air and give plus two power to all these whatever cards. Yeah, because in the turd ones are typically the ones with all those chain, uh, animations here. But, uh, what did you give this car? We, we didn't even give our star rating here.

Alex: 45:51

Uh, my story. I did. I said it was, uh, I can see it definitely being a 3.5 to four. I'll land on four. I do think that this is pretty good. Like, and I think that it's, I'm gonna go other three. Another thing that's, you're gonna go three. Okay. You know what? I can see, you know, I'm gonna go 3.5 I think. No, no. I'm gonna stay four. I'm not gonna let you talk me down. You've done that before. You like this season? I think this season's strong man. I think they want to make cards that entice people to spend packs and money and that's fair. No, I don't think they're good. Over the last couple seasons, we've had some good cards. I think the design landscape of the cards we're gonna ta of, like on my side, we're cool. Like we had some cool stuff. But these feel like they're very synergistic and they all have like, I feel like they have places naturally that go into like Medex now, which like Deramus didn't and others didn't. Like they had to kind of build their own archetypes out a little bit. Whereas these cards, they could like this awesome deck, boom, add this and it pumps. Yeah. And then you maybe make some modifications and that's how you min-max it. They have very natural places where they go like now. Yeah. Which makes them, I think, much less risky and raises their floor quite frankly.

Cozy: 46:54

And a bit of future proof of that too. Like they, they're able to to scale nicely into the future, which is always good. We have two other cards, Alex, that we don't know the exact numbers on. We just have what was data Mind? We have Moleman three. Three, honor Reveal. Look at this heart. Banish the top card of your deck. Add two rocks to your hand. Set their power to the banished card's cost.

Alex: 47:15

That's

Cozy: 47:16

a

Alex: 47:16

mouthful. How are the duck going hard here?

Cozy: 47:18

Yeah, I mean, uh, listen, it, it can, this guy, this guy's got some potential man. It's like one of those like Mimi cards, but like this thing could throw out some, some crazy, like you can go with like a greedy deck and make this thing work Pretty cool.

Alex: 47:33

Yeah. Like you banish tto, so you're running a Howard the duck tto deck, which makes perfect sense. And then you, um, it's a car. I don't

Cozy: 47:41

know. It's, yeah, it's a card's cost though. That's the thing.

Alex: 47:44

Yeah.

Cozy: 47:45

So like, my thought is like, maybe you just go with like, like a full cheat deck, like Jubilee and whatnot, right? And then it's like this can kind of build into that. So like, you're already doing one of those kind of decks.

Alex: 47:56

Mobius and Mobius fixed. It's, it's a pixie deck. Moby a Mobius, pixie Moleman easy, right? Gigi, you got all the, you got all the lines there. You got chunky boys in the deck. If you don't drop Pixie, you moleman them, right?

Cozy: 48:09

This, you not see it. Imagine I see it. Imagine losing a moleman. This guy looks like the guy in the In Incredibles.

Alex: 48:15

I wanna know what his belt is like. Is he wearing like a, is this belt like one of those? What are those? Like Boy scout badges.

Cozy: 48:22

It looks like nails on there, dude. Oh man. I want an incredible season now that we think about it. It's Disney.

Alex: 48:28

Somehow. Why? For these like series four releases. They had Cobra and they're like, yo, let's make this guy look like a complete dumb ass. And then they're like, how do we get someone to look dumber than Cobra? Well, Mo man, let's give them goggles. Let's give them a boy scout belt, a cape for some reason, and make'em look like a complete clown.

Cozy: 48:44

It's a source material, bro. Mad thinker. The mad thinker at one one. Again, these are not, uh, hard stats at the start of each turn after drawing plus two power if your hand is full. So we talked about this one. We're like, oh, you know, dle, dinosaur kind of kind stuff. Like you could kind. As a one, one scaler, like they're getting more of these scale. Like, I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was a, another, a new one, cost scaling card because they're, they've been trying to get some more of these out there with kind of just much harder conditions than the ones that have been out already.

Alex: 49:16

I'm not sure about this card. I would be surprised if it's one, one. I probably, I don't think to be stronger.

Cozy: 49:22

Yeah,

Alex: 49:22

maybe like, I don't know. We don't know. They didn't show us. Imagine that. Imagine showing us in the trailer. That's quite a crazy concept. But like, I, I don't know, man. This condition seems like it might be a little too hard. I mean, at least if Ronan gets popular, you have this,

Cozy: 49:35

I dunno, plus two power those. It's like, how fast can you fill your hand though? And so, you know. Yeah, yeah. You

Alex: 49:41

play this over Nebula though.

Cozy: 49:43

No, that's the thing. It just seems too hard. It seems too hard to get going. I guess you could just go like all in, in the Agent Colson and Friend's deck or whatever, just try to like fill your hand as quickly as possible. You go with, um, what's that hella carrier, Nick Fury. Just try to, try to guess something. I'm getting like a one five quickly. One, two, I think would be, you definitely get the value out of it. Uh, at that point.

Alex: 50:05

I know where you can use him. He's bullseye fodder.

Cozy: 50:08

That's true. Oh, uh, alright. That is Matt Thinker. That is moment. And these guys are coming in. What is gonna be commander of Snap. And that is, we even know that,

Alex: 50:21

I think they just said series four. I don't think they told us how they're being released.

Cozy: 50:24

Yeah, I don't know either. I think they could be coming through this, but they've got the grand arena and man, look at these builds. It's kind of cool. I like that they went into like the, they really plated to the theme here. You are gonna choose your champion in pre-built decks. So you can go pre-built decks and each of these champions, Alex, are gonna have. A a a kind of a car that works for them or an ability that works for them, right? So some of the examples that we've had thus far, lemme see if I can pull some of these up here. We've got maximum carnage on reveal banish this to move your champion here. Repeat this. It's honor reveal ability, right? So I, everyone love this Council of Reed Honor reveal. Give an ongoing card in new hand, negative one cost plus one power. After you plate repeat this. These are the ones that they showed and teased, and then we have. Uh, what is gonna be Herbie's reveal, execute all four of Herbie's abilities here. This is awesome. I, this is where it's like, God, give us this in a real mode the whole time. Oh, this is literally

Alex: 51:22

war Wally.

Cozy: 51:23

Look at this guy. It does. It looks like a Bay Blades and Bay Blades, Wally or something.

Alex: 51:28

Uh, I, I've seen Bay Blades so many times at like toy stores and I have no idea what they do. Do. People just like spin them and bash and they like battle tops.

Cozy: 51:36

It's like forming Ora as a kid. Farming aura. Yeah. As a kid. Yep.

Alex: 51:41

What's Aura?

Cozy: 51:42

Yeah. See you dude. You gotta, dude, you're the teacher. You should know these words.

Alex: 51:46

Farming, aura. I don't know man. You're from San, no, you're from California, man. So California, you guys are on like the cutting edge of slang. You have to understand. It takes a while to get up here. The kinda catch,

Cozy: 51:56

What do you think, dude, about this moment with the champions and like, you know, getting specific cards with it? I like it. I think this is a fresh take.

Alex: 52:03

I think this is great. I think this is great. This is exactly what they needed to do a long time ago. I think they actually cooked here. I like the idea that there's cards that, uh, are accessible for players, whether or not they have them unlocked huge win. Uh, this is a great idea and this seems like it probably took them months to develop this and this seemed like someone at second Andrew's like, Hey, I have a great idea for an actual good game mode that will engage with free to play players and all players all around. It, uh, utilizes our knowledge of things like Magic Commander and stuff, which we've talked about at ad nauseum. I just, I literally just bought a new commander deck and, um, it's, I, I don't know. They did it like this is a great idea, especially that free to play element, and I just wish that, um, they told us sooner that they were playing something like this, and I hope that it's something that they return to. I, I just hope it lands. I'm just, you know what? I'm scared about Cozy and I shouldn't have this anxiety. Let's be, I'm gonna take the, I, I'm anxious. Because it's like, I shouldn't be anxious about this, but I'm like, how are they gonna, how are they gonna drop the ball? How are they gonna fumble this? Is it gonna have a ridiculous store? Is it like, what are they gonna do to ruin the type? Like that's what I'm worried about. What I should have this anxiety Cozy.

Cozy: 53:10

Yeah. What currency is gonna come out and can't hear me. But what currency's gonna come out? What track is gonna happen to make this thing Exactly. Just, yeah, you pay, you get double the car, whatever. You know what I hope they do?'cause rivals did this with their auto trusts mode. They released it and they're like, they used it to gauge the interest and then they're gonna put more, you know, time and resources into it, most likely to have it come back as more of a permanent mode. I hope they do that. With something like this, it's like, put this out there, see the hype about it, you know, I get not making it, let's say like a permanent thing right away. And then if it has a ton of hype, then you have a whole foundation to work with where you can really stretch this thing out. And then this is a gas new way to play. But yeah, I just don't monetize it to the floor.

Alex: 53:51

No, I, I agree. I absolutely agree. I just hope that they cook. Let the game designers cook. Keep the monetization team the hell away from this game mode. Just tell them to get outta the room. Don't even tell them you're releasing it. I hope they found, I hope the monetization team found out about Grand Arena. Like today when they released the trailer, that would've been perfect. You know what I mean? And they're like, why didn't you tell me? Wait, we have all these currencies planned. It's like, that's why we didn't tell you. Wait. That's why we didn't tell you whatever your name is. Sure.'cause you were gonna ruin it like you've ruined everything else

Cozy: 54:19

either way. Absolutely. Butts about it. Alex. And the season as a whole, I guess a little bit tougher to rank these cards'cause you like so many of'em. Let's start though from the did we start at the best of the worst? Which one? I feel like Matt think are the worst.

Alex: 54:32

I, I like going to the top. Where do you wanna start from?

Cozy: 54:34

Matt? Think your mole man is so tough to rank too.'cause we just don't know anything. I almost think we leave them out, but I guess we can try to, based on what they are.

Alex: 54:40

Putting at the bottom. I don't even care. Alright,

Cozy: 54:42

let's start at the bottom. It's Matt Thinker.

Alex: 54:45

Yeah, Matt Thinker for me as well.

Cozy: 54:48

But then is it Moleman? Uh, yeah. I, we just don't know for them. Yeah. It's just too hard to like, until we get appropriate stat, we stats don't have their stats. Yeah. What is the worst fantastic car coming out?

Alex: 54:59

I don't love it, but I'm gonna say I think the thing is gonna be the worst.

Cozy: 55:02

Okay. I am going fantastic car

Alex: 55:04

Really? Yep. Fantastic car. I mean, trying to record these so that we, we don't. So fantastic car. That actually surprises me. Okay. Um, because I'm going fantastic car as well.

Cozy: 55:15

Next step. Well, no, I went, you went thing then. Fantastic car, right? So I went Fantastic car. And then am I gonna go to the thing next? Am I gonna do that? Uh, yeah, I am. Yep. So we just flip that.

Alex: 55:27

Yeah. So that's, that's us Flip there. So now we're at number, uh, number four, right? So we've got Mad Thinker, Moleman, I've done the thing. Fantastic. Car. And my number four will be Herbie.

Cozy: 55:37

Yeah, I'm gonna go en visitor. Herbie. I, I'll go. Invis is. Okay. And Herbie, I would go

Alex: 55:42

Mr. Fantastic. Number three.

Cozy: 55:45

Okay, I'm gonna go Herbie, where you have that.

Alex: 55:47

Ooh, Herbie, that's high. That's high for Herbie. Herbie love.

Cozy: 55:50

Well, it's just one above you.

Alex: 55:52

Yes.

Cozy: 55:53

And then I'm going, well listen, when

Alex: 55:54

you only have like eight cards, two of which we don't only have powers for, so really six one above is a big deal. Cozy. Are you sure you wanna do that? I'm

Cozy: 56:01

locking it in and then I'm finish with Human Torch and Reed as my best.

Alex: 56:06

Damn. So we got a little bit different here. I'm gonna go I almost wanna go human torch number one, but I'm, who's your, who else would be number The invisible one? Invisible Woman. Okay. I think invisible women might be better. Like I just think I'm thinking about that Dune 2099 deck and then it's gonna get nerved and then human torch is better. I dunno. You know what? I'm gonna stick with my instincts. Human torch two. Invisible women won. I'm ready to be wrong, but I'm also so ready to be right

Cozy: 56:30

locked in. Come around here in August, dude, I'll be in China in August. Really? Whenever this episode will air, I might, I bring my, you like tour equip a factory? No, I'm doing, uh, I'm casting Marvel rivals, man. I'm doing a, uh, I'm doing their land anyway.

Alex: 56:45

That was a joke. Obviously.

Cozy: 56:47

It could be.

Alex: 56:48

You're like, yes, actually I'm going to a Pokemon plush factory.

Cozy: 56:51

Yes. Working way. Uh, starting a new channel. I will bring my equipment there though. We could film. That'd be fun. Live from China,

Alex: 56:57

but I have to be in China.

Cozy: 56:58

Yeah. Come on over. Quick trip. It's only 22 hours. Wait. I understand.

Alex: 57:01

We can use the magic of the internet to continue filming.

Cozy: 57:03

Yeah. I came out recently that internet, that yeah. You guys use dial up there in Canada or what?

Alex: 57:07

Yeah, well, Tim Burners, Lee's working on the internet for us over here. We're doing what we can

Cozy: 57:11

one

Alex: 57:11

day at

Cozy: 57:11

a time.

Alex: 57:12

You know what I just realized? The time zones for us are already so bad. The Chinese time zone's gotta be worse. Like for us to record what have to do better

Cozy: 57:19

because I'm like a full day ahead. So it's either worse or somehow like, it's like a perfect timing. It, it works out. Fantastically. Look at how I ended that.

Alex: 57:27

Cozy. How you doing, buddy? It's good to see you back. Hopefully you're feeling better.

Cozy: 57:31

Good to be back, buddy, I think. Okay. I think our absence history now is, I think I've missed two. You've missed one. I think that's what it is. Or two. And two. I miss. I miss part of

Alex: 57:43

one

Cozy: 57:44

and I've missed. Then only part of one? No, I've, or a full one I guess, but I've never missed part of one. I've only missed then a full one. I think you've missed part of one twice. Because we had two Barry on twice. I've had Mult. I had molt on mine. You had Regis on as well. And Regis. Regis was at

Alex: 58:02

Pax. I remember.

Cozy: 58:04

But I feel like I've had, I feel like you missed a full one long time ago with molt. Because we did like a full, we did like an hour and a half episode when I was in Florida with my family. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah.'cause we were gonna

Alex: 58:15

re like prerecord and then like something happened. There's always something, there's always some, something happened is the most true thing that you can say in content creation. There's always something happening, right? It's, uh, I can't even believe we're filming right now, to be honest with you. There's a million reasons why everything was gonna fall apart for us. Uh, but uh, anyways, we are here Cozy and we are recapping what was honestly a pretty fascinating season, uh, in Marvel Snap headlined by Do Mamu, who's on the thumbnail there. And, uh, you know what? There's a lot of good cards here. Now, Cozy, we're gonna get started with Merlin. Merlin came out as a season pass card and uh, we applauded this card. We said it was gonna be a solid one. We felt like it was gonna be a mainstay in a lot of different archetypes, but I think one of the major things that we kind of brought up was the fact that like, this is a card that's gonna be able to go into a lot of different decks, a lot of different archetypes, and be successful at that. I came in at 4.5 stars and you came in at a full L five Cozy. What do you feel about your rating?

Cozy: 59:11

I love this card still. I think what, obviously it has such a high popularity that I think that's hurt. Its actual like sexy statistics as far as like win rate and where you can play it. But man, this thing can be utilized just so well. Yeah, maybe a little, maybe a little hot on what I was saying on it that, uh, on my side, but I still, I still stand by it being man, I just feel like I. Played this probably more than any other card. Yeah, that's fair to say. Easily. I played this more than any other card across my Dex this

Alex: 59:42

season. No, I agree. And for what it's worth I agree with your sentiment that like it didn't quite hit that five star. It didn't like boom mess up that like mess things up the way, uh, it could have. Yeah. Uh, but it was definitely a very good card. Definitely worth having, uh, across the board. Like we have like that, uh, galactic gwenpool buff deck with Mr. Siner that's running a 55% win rate. You have sero control style decks running a 53% win rate. You have that mercury cannonball deck. With Merlin in it, running a 53% win rate, and it very consistently was a part of both a nihilist who got buffed and also the agent havoc decks, which have consistently been very, very good decks. There are so many places to play Merlin, like if you, if you drew Merlin. You have just it's beautiful. You got so many spots for him. And overall you wouldn't be happier with that season pass purchase.

Cozy: 1:00:28

I feel like he performed better for me to, well, first of all, okay, I gotta say this. Like, I've always been a werewolf by night truther. I've always, okay. Not truther, but yeah, like, I liked, I liked playing werewolf by night. I love the things about it. And I feel like, like he enabled that way more, right? So like, that's just been a cool little bump up from him. But also like any car that's just like, what can I do with this deck? Oh, this would make it, just so many more fun ways to play it or fit into that. Merlin does that well and we're starting to get more of those cards. That was, that's what makes it tough. And so then trying to evaluate.'cause I feel like it used to be Alex, like when you had a card that was so super flexible, it was like an automatic almost five star card because there wasn't so many. And now we're just getting a plethora of them. So now it, it has to have that and some Right.

Alex: 1:01:10

Oh, I absolutely agree. Now, is there a particular skill that stands out for you as being like the top dog? Omni Universal presence, which replaces location and gives Merlin plus two power. Um, you also do have, uh, once in Future, which shuffles lowest card power there and gives you plus two energy the next turn. Or of course, polymorph.

Cozy: 1:01:27

Polymorpho was my favorite, but nightmare. Obviously. I liked Omni Universal, so it just, it depended. It depends on the deck, but Polymorph like, dude, how can,

Alex: 1:01:34

it's just too much fun. Polymorph was a ton of fun. It felt like it scam me the way Circe did often. I've gotta tell you, I knew Omni Universal presence. I knew, yeah, I listen. Ccy iss, such a scammer, omni, universal presence felt like a very consistently like, oh, this is actually pretty useful here. Card I almost never felt, um. Felt bad playing an OMNIVERSE presence. The plus two power was great, and also location control and Snap is great. The. The scarlet witch element of this was somewhat problematic at times, but overall I liked the card a lot and, uh, once in future was probably the weakest of them. Although of course with the hood and whatnot it was still solid, although you often wanted to polymorph the hood anyways. But yeah, Merlin, I would agree. I. Overall an exceptionally good card and Cozy, were we a little high on it? 4.55 stars maybe. But I think this is gonna be a card that ages well, especially as second dinner leans in on the skills as a whole. Um, and that's gonna take us to our next card, which is gonna be Morgan Lafe. Uh, Morgan Lafe was one of those cards that, uh, on release didn't necessarily impress, uh, you have win rates that were. The, like the 50 percentile range, low, fifties, high forties, but then suddenly we've seen a couple brews start to shake up a little bit here and things have started to get a little better. But czi, what are your thoughts on Morgan Lafaye? That I,

Cozy: 1:02:53

I think, dude, I think as we talked about it, we like kept trying to be like, I can see this situation or this one too. Dude, this card's not good. I mean, at least in my experience, I just, like, each time I played this, I was like, I'm trying so hard to make this thing. Do its thing and work Well, what even with, oh, do like, I was trying it just, yeah. I think what, gee, what did I give this thing? Can you tell me? I think I, I gave it like a three and a half or something

Alex: 1:03:18

Cozy. I think you might take an L on this one. You gave it 3.5 and I gave, God gave it a flat three.

Cozy: 1:03:24

Yeah, at 0.5 more than you, that it feels like a mile when talking about this card. Yeah, this is de I definitely missed on it. Definitely

Alex: 1:03:31

missed, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I gotta tell you, to be honest with you there, there are some cooks happening and it took weeks to get there where you're starting to see a little bit of promise. With Morgan Lafe, it's not quite there. Like again, the best deck right now is like an Uncle Ben deck that's running a 50.3% win rate, but a positive cube rate. Overall. Everything else is awful. All the other decks are just horrible. So. Yeah, she's definitely under impressed, unfortunately. But it's a cool design.

Cozy: 1:03:58

Is that, that one I saw that the other day with like, uh, you have like angel in there, death macari. It's just like trying to feed Yeah, yeah, yeah. Macari. Yeah. Yeah. That other thing's, uh, I love if you like, really start to cook up, you get a like 50% win rate dick, so that's, I know. Yeah. Not a good cook. I know.

Alex: 1:04:14

With that being said though I do like the design space. It occupies. We have not seen it, been able to successfully be used in discard, but destroy. Looks like it has a spot for it. Now, I, I was hoping maybe there was a way to play Morgan and, and Dormal together, but they seem like they're a little too expensive to be played together. Um, just they don't occupy it. You're not destroying quite enough to make it worth it. Uh, make it worth it. So ultimately, yeah. Morgan Le Faye underperforming year. And when we talk about under performance. I just typed one in. So ancient one. The ancient one. We actually, this is hilarious. I don't know if you remember this conversation. Cozy. You and I legitimately like talking about walking down a stairway like we started at fours, both of us at fours, and then we talked ourselves down to threes and then we talked ourselves down into the two range with you coming a little higher than me at 2.5 and I came down to a flat two.

Cozy: 1:05:11

I don't remember you going at a two. Man, I was higher than you. Huh? I thought this was the card you liked and I I gassed it down and then got you down.

Alex: 1:05:20

I think I then I ultimately fell under you even further.

Cozy: 1:05:23

How was that? And then I was gonna go back up to meet you at four. Bro. You must have done a super swap.'cause I remember this one. I felt like I was for sure under you. What? Hold on now. I need the receipts. Yeah, either, either way we could have said, we could've said any of those numbers, we'd be wrong. That, that dude, this card alone is what gave me PTSD about, uh, invisible Woman. I'm like, three, five. Cool. Like, I know. Gotta be something here. Uh, obviously they've tried to help it out a little bit and it still can work and, uh, some decks, but no, I, I don't like this card. I just don't like the, I just don't like

Alex: 1:05:54

much about it. When I was testing this card, I found myself like. It was Talman. It was just too expensive. At the time. It was a three, so just, you guys know, it obviously has been buffed. It got changed from a three to a two, and anytime I had Quinjet on the board, I was like, you know what? This card actually kind of works. It's kind of doing the thing. It's not awful. Now with Quinjet, it's a one. This should have been a, it should have been a two costed skill all along. They definitely went a little too high on it. Now it feels better, but honestly, I think this is a victim of the release schedule where now people have not really gone back to cook with it. It wouldn't surprise me if a couple, we need like another ongoing release in the future where all of a sudden you're like, huh, how about that ancient one? The only challenge with her is that she's not an ongoing herself, and so because of that, you're, you're not, you're putting a three, five not ongoing and you're trying to synergize with ongoing cards and so like, it almost alienates itself from a lot of the decks that wanna just go all in on ongoing, you know what I mean?

Cozy: 1:06:47

Yeah. Between this and cla, I felt like they're gonna get better at evaluating skill cards and how to properly cost them. That was a big thing that I feel like from this season is that you have like. These skill cards and they're trying to figure out, okay, how do we give these cards abilities, but they don't stay on the board. So like, how powerful can it be and how much does it need to cost? And like, this was a little bit of its trial session, at least for me. I oftentimes came away like way too expensive on them. And so you could see they dialed it back here. Uh, we'll get to Clay in a second, but that was my overall opinion on it. But yeah, I mean it, going down to two is. Is is certainly welcomed.

Alex: 1:07:24

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And uh, overall, I don't think that the, uh, the decks have been performing particularly well. The top performing deck is running a 53.6% win rate, but a very low, uh, play rate that is the Rhino Deck. Running things like Claw and Miss Marvel to try to make some magic happen with the ancient one. It's a really cool cook. The idea of like having Rhino and the Rock and then Miss Marvel in the middle, and then you copy those into the Miss Marvel effect and then pump the sides. That's, it's actually a really well designed deck. Yep. But the ancient one itself does still feel a little awkward there. And that's a deck that does not run the likes of a Quin yet, but instead has the surge and and other things like that. So a very interesting list, but not the meta shaker that some people might have hoped that, uh, that the ancient one was. And that is now gonna take us to the card that I think was the most. This was the one that you and I really went to town with in terms of the arguments. You came in at 4.5. I came in at two. I came in very low on Nightmare. Now, I don't know if, listen, I know you're a busy guy. You're like living cast. I cast, I, I

Cozy: 1:08:22

heard Darren's side. I came back to hear the receipts. There is more on my side. I felt it. I love it. I dare. Shout out to you, my guy.

Alex: 1:08:29

I should have just cut that whole section. I'm like, Dara's, just agreeing with Cozy. Cut it out. Cut it out. I had the power Cozy. I could have cut it out. I could have controlled the messaging. Yeah, so you and Dara definitely did agree that Nightmare was, uh, was definitely better than the two star I gave it. Cozy. I also agree that it's better than the two star. I gave it as noted by my release review video where I said I love Nightmare and not just from a power standpoint. Let me be very clear about something. I think the power output of nightmare has been good. I think the cube rates are good. We're you're talking about decks in like the 54% win rate with solid cube rates. It's a good card, but more important than that, it's so fun. So fun. I had so much fun playing this damn card. I cannot tell you that, like that video. Was one of those ones where I was like, I just, I loved playing Snap in a way that I didn't feel like I'd love playing Snap in a long time.

Cozy: 1:09:16

Yeah, it was like a new way to like come oh, it's just hard, you know, game's been out for so long, it's like, how many more really fun ways can you, make these cards? And this was just one of'em. And bringing life to cards, like, you know, again, Ana and Gigantic. So even like Aga the Deck could utilize it and have fun with it, right? Like. It does feel like the more cards that you have, the better it gets too. Like it when you get Star brand, when you mix in Merlin, things like that. Like you need these to really help some of its consistency. But overall,'cause that was our thing with it, right? It was like, okay, if you don't get certain lines, how consistent will it be? Either way. Like the problem with the agent one is it's like kind of fun and I can't even say kind of good nightmare. It's like it, even if it was kind of good, it's, it's maximum fun. And that's what you look

Alex: 1:09:56

for. You play nightmare and you Snap and your opponent's like, bro I cannot stand, I'm not staying. It's not worth, like I literally made someone kneel, kneel, like with Gig Anto. It was so beautiful. And then someone made me kneel with Gig Anto,

Cozy: 1:10:12

even like a star. I had to kneel on the Star brand. It's like, sorry, not Stein Brandand, infin. And it's like this craziness, dude. It's absolute, it's it's absolute craziness. And I. I'm here for that.'cause like those are the plays where it's just like sometimes when you lose, you're like, dang it, I lost'cause of X, Y, Z. And then sometimes you lose and you're just like, I 100% don't care. That was epic. It was just cool to lose. Hundred percent.

Alex: 1:10:35

The only thing that I felt was awkward that I, I'm gonna go on record saying I don't think second dinner actually tested or consider it a hundred percent. Maybe they did, but I think the interaction with skills was very weird. Like they, it probably shouldn't be hitting skills at all. I think that was like a bug. I thousand

Cozy: 1:10:50

percent agree. I thought that like, because they keep changing like the language of it. Yeah. A thousand percent. Was there any interactions you got where you were just like, okay, like that's fine, but this is what I was talking about, like star brand went to um, a Surfer and I was like, it's neutral, whatever, but he's still 10 power. Like that's where it's like, feels really good. And that's what I liked about it, was the neutralness of them even.

Alex: 1:11:09

Yeah, and I mean like, there's also huge winners in like Ebony Ma, which was a winner last month. Um, yep. I never got the Ironman iron skull, but I got like Spiderwoman and stuff like that, which is still cool. Like, that's like, that's awesome, right? Like just getting rid of the effects a huge win, right? Yeah. And, um, and the decks did, the decks that ultimately did perform the best were the sauron decks. I was hoping that we would cook outside of it, but statistically those were the ones that ultimately have done the best. And it's because you have multiple Wing conditions, you don't have to rely on drawing nightmare, right? You have other ways to win. And, um. Even then, like Merlin, it's great with Nightmare man. Yeah. You got like Merlin's a must. Yeah.'cause you can run like Century, you can run Merlin, you could get the nightmare, flip it polymorphic, send it back to your hand for extra energy, whatever you want. Right. So there was a lot of ways to cook around Nightmare. Uh, I was a hundred percent wrong to doubt the card. I, I felt like there was ways that it could go sideways and from that perspective, like. Yeah, it's not, it's not crushing the meta from like a gameplay perspective, but even if it wasn't as good as it is, the amount of fun I had made it worth it. And so this is one of those cards that if you don't have, uh, you gotta have, like, I think this is such a fantastic card for Marvel Snap. And actually, I don't know if you realize this,'cause he's actually one of the, the primary antagonists of Mystic Mayhem, which is kind of cool. Morgan in it too. Yeah, I was, I was playing, I was like, bro, it's nightmare. We're in the nightmare round. Dammit. It was kind of really cool to see. Another card that's cool to see is your boy Dormammu. Now this is probably the one that had the most excitement for the season. Cozy. Both of us came in at four stars. We agreed for a change. So that means I can't be wrong. That's how exciting is that? Dormammu, the three 11, the seven 11 I should say. And I, I made a, I already made my joke about cooking hot dogs in his head, but seven 11, right? And, uh, you got those three summiting portals. The three, the three rituals as they say. Honestly, I really liked this card. I did. Now its power level was somewhat hit and miss. Like I think that, uh, overall Nightmare is a more powerful card. But what this did for the Destroy Archetype was, I think analogous to what. Happened to discard a while ago. Destroys always primarily had like one or two ways to play it. Yeah. Whereas with Discard, you have you hit the Black Knight version, then you had the Dependable Discard, then you had the Bullseye Discard. This is giving a second identity to destroy, which I actually really appreciated. And uh, I. I like the card and I'm gonna go out on a, I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that even if the card underperforms and does not have the win rate that you would expect, I bet you because of the amount of people that got it, the excitement around the card and the amount of design effort that the card took, this is such a buff candidate. If it needs it, if it needs anything, if it needs anything, it's gonna get it from second dinner. I think this is a card that's definitely worth having.

Cozy: 1:13:57

Yeah, I think, I think I said most of my points that I was gonna say. I would say just the fact that it may destroy less linear too is probably like. One of the best things about it? You know, I think day one I was a little, no, I don't wanna say let down, but it's like, uh, yeah, it was cool. Like, I think what we've seen these giant big bads do, like, you know, that's why we even went with a four without even being able to like theory craft it. It doesn't help either that this came out what Right. With the kid Omega stuff. So it's like you had all that. Nonsense going on in the background, uh, but other way Yes, I agree. It is super fun. I don't, I don't know if they'll, if it will get buffed because it does feel like, it does feel like it, it could warrant it at, at times, but I don't know if they'll give it to

Alex: 1:14:39

it. It's got lots of levers, like lots of dials that they can use to turn right. And for me what it was, honestly, it's, it's the first summing ritual. You have to get the wheel going, you gotta get the momentum going. You gotta destroy something. And this is what was the challenge? These, the other ones I felt like were totally fine. Like this one here I think is like, it's basically like a louy relatively, you can't really see, but it's only one cost. And then for three, you're destroying two cards. You destroy Wolverine and Bucky Barnes, you're laughing. I mean like this, this was just, it went right into the game plan and my favorite part about this was often getting do out on turn five, like if I can get some blessed stuff happening, getting Dormammu out on turn five and then having like Nolan death in my hand basically free, almost beautiful. You love to see

Cozy: 1:15:21

it when it, it enhance more of what destroy does like g when it's like you feel like, you know short sometimes it's like you get like. 20% of what the deck can do. Sometimes you get like 80% and then like those eighties, you're like, why am I not always playing this archetype bread? It was so good. And then you go kind of go back to the tent, like Dormal at times would cook so well and it made it just overall come a bit more consistent because you have more of those things that are, uh, dipping into the total decks

Alex: 1:15:45

potential. And it's also the kind of car, and again, we know nothing, but I feel like they could very easily be like, huh, okay, we're not gonna buff oo, but not the fantastic scene. But maybe the season after that, maybe there's another car that wants to get destroyed early that just loves being in a deramus deck. You know what I mean? There's ways you can buff, like just like Star brand came out. Like Deramus did and Star Brand's like, yeah, it's good. It's doing okay. And then they changed the, so all of a sudden star brands cracked, right? Same thing with Deramus. Perhaps you just need an infusion of something to give it a little more juice. But, uh, but yeah, overall I came away impressed with Deramus, it's power level under that of Nightmare, but still doing a pretty good job. Now this here is going, I'm gonna have to click, uh, unowned here to make sure that I can bring up the next one. Unfortunately, I do not have Kid Omega. I have not had the opportunity to have Kid Omega. I know we've talked this card down, like talk about beating a dead horse. We've talked about this card so much, and I'll be honest with you, I'm gonna be releasing a release video when the card releases to me, which will be, I guess, uh, it's like July. 16th or something like that. I don't know. I put it in my calendar. I don't have it written down right now, but it's gonna be coming out in, yeah. July 16th. I was right. In my estimation, we both came in at 4.5. Early decks are showing approximately a 54 to 53% win rate, so I. And I will say that in second dinner did mention there was someone in the know in second dinner who did say something in the creator discord. And I did mention this last week that said like it's not crushing the meta internally that some people might like the way they might expect it. However it's performing with the likes of a card like Gwenpool. A definite good card in Marvel Snap. Um, so what are your thoughts on Q Omega thus far?

Cozy: 1:17:23

I haven't played it. Yeah. So I mean, I think such a weird conversation. What I can tell name Rod. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately funny enough in both those, the next two for once play made may be the first card in. As long as I can remember that I just had zero opportunity to play with. But I do know I. Common set, setting it on it, but, uh, kid make, yeah. Dink it's plate, you know, obviously it's gonna make nim rod more fun and like that's, I I'm all about that, you know, black Panther series stuff like it sounds super fun. But Shana, game wise, you know, I was part of the, the strike, so I didn't buy it or anything either. But, uh, you know, excited to test it for me. I'm just like pretending he doesn't exist. So, uh. Until three weeks from now.

Alex: 1:17:59

That's exactly the way I'm approaching it too. The card doesn't exist until July, uh, 16th. I'll roll my damn cashs for it or whatever. My packs for it. I'll get it that way. And move on from there. Um, wouldn't surprise me if the 4.5 ratings that we and you had given it will probably ring true based on the early stats. Now keep in mind, we barely have any stats for it, man. Like barely anybody got the card. Um. But, uh, we'll have to see once it's into the hands of more players, I bet you this could potentially be a very problematic card. I think it activates so much in Phoenix Force. That's where I wanna play it. Honestly, it could activate stuff in Deramus. There is just so many ways to play this card and destroyed did get Deramus and um, I feel it destroys on the cusp of making some magic happen. And I think Kid Omega is gonna be a core component of that'cause it's just, it's free real estate. You're destroying something you wanna destroy anyway and you're gaining its power. At a two one, you should do your

Cozy: 1:18:50

hair like him. I think you would, you could get more subs.

Alex: 1:18:54

I can't, uh, is this hair purple? I can't,

Cozy: 1:18:57

no, you can do it a couple knives. It's not colored with the, uh, the unowned. Did you could, you could rock it. It, it looks like Dexter in high school. Play out, dude, here's, this is my, okay, so this was like my hell week. I went from casting like four days in a row, came in, had, uh, a, my life. Ridiculous. Then they do season three stuff for rivals. So then I had to cover this. Then I had a whole thing with my family into 4th of July. It was like impossible for the, the odds of me to play this card. All I know is I wasn't big on it. You were? I don't think it's gonna be a good card, but maybe I'm wrong. How did it end up?

Alex: 1:19:31

So the way it ended up was, uh, it was ultimately disappointing. However, there's hope. It performed very well in an Agent Venom deck that ran, uh, Marvel Boy instead of some other stuff. So it's like the Havoc Sage thena deck. However, this is where it, it's painful. That deck was running a 54% win rate and a positive Q rate, which is solid, but the version of that deck without clia. Is strictly better, better ri better win rate across higher statistical, uh, there's more stats. There's more games. So you could play a suboptimal version of a deck with clea in it or cut clea and play a better version of it, is essentially the way it worked. Was it back? I, I saw some cooking with Joaquin Torres Falcon. It felt like you were diving too, in too far into a card that like wasn't really worth it. You know what I mean? Like where you're, you're trying too hard for a card that doesn't warrant the effort. You know what I mean?

Cozy: 1:20:21

Just like, just like you're doing to try to make it sound better than it is. Yeah. I, what, what?

Alex: 1:20:26

I'm not trying to sound I, listen. That was one of the first brutally honest reviews I've released in a while. I cooked this card. I

Cozy: 1:20:33

it to me, right? Like not only do you have to do the whole. The whole power gain thing, right? Which is like, we've seen like work and, and sometimes, sometimes not. But yeah, I feel like that's the main thing with it. But I, you know, who knows? Maybe her and Morgan will be in a deck that that cooks one day.

Alex: 1:20:49

I'll tell you right now, the amount of kaori cope that I huffed on the podcast with you when I was like, oh, KRI hits him multiple. Do you realize I played KRI so many times and it just dodged hitting clea. Forget about hitting it more than once. Like it didn't even touch, it was like, forget that card. I don't wanna buff that crap. No, it just buffed like rocks and stuff. Like it refused to hit the cart. I played this card for like four hours, maybe. Got like the flames of fault tying or faulting. I've been, so many people have corrected me. I think it's faulting. I've got, I've literally played this card like maybe four times over four hours. Like, I just, I never proced it. I was never getting the draws, nothing like that. Maybe I was just cursed. I don't know. But like. In essence, I don't think this is horrible. Like I don't think it's horrible. I think it's just not good right now. And maybe if we lean more into the skills and stuff like that and we get some more buffs. I mean, listen, Mr. Fantastic Reed. Yeah, yeah. Reed Richards. He buffs. And this card can generate the flames in him. He buffs

Cozy: 1:21:43

And Herbie buffs. It could act. It could go wild. It could go wild. And then you, but yeah, who knows? But I don't think it's gonna age like fine wine.

Alex: 1:21:52

No, probably not. He's already probably not. And actually, on that note, Cozy, I came in at four stars. You came in at 2.5 and then you said. Maybe possibly to 3.5. You said possibly 3.5. But you didn't seem convinced.

Cozy: 1:22:06

I wasn't. All I hated, I hated clia.

Alex: 1:22:08

Come on buddy. You think I'm blind? The notes don't lie, sir. And I, I can't listen. Listen, I can't find the receipts. I'm too tired. We got, we're on a tight timeline here, but talking about Clia, the other card, which obviously was hoping for clea to be good was Nicholas scratch. Oh my gosh. This is a disaster. This is my, I know we, we joke about me missing on Clea and pretty much missing on everything I talk about. I don't. Listen, scratches, were off. Listen,

Cozy: 1:22:30

I think you were too hot on him this month, but I still don't think you're far off in the future. Like I, we, we've talked about he will, there's gonna be more skills that come across. There's gonna be things that happen. But yeah. You were pretty high on this guy. Didn't you put'em up like then, number two for the month or something? No, I didn't put him that high. It was okay.

Alex: 1:22:48

I think CLE was that high. I don't know, man. I don't wanna talk about, I literally don't wanna go through the ranking of the cards. I'm so embarrassed. But, um. Is I, I'm glad that everyone expects nothing from me with regards to rankings. So that's what you got this month. Nicholas Scratch, we both came in at four, by the way, and I said four in the future, and that's kind of what you said too. So we both said, you know what? Like this is a card that's gonna get better in the future. Decks are running like a 52, 50 3% win rate range. Not great from a Qre perspective. He just underperformed and I think he really needed Clea to do well to make him feel worth it if, and I think part of the reason why, like I was high on Nicholas scratch was because I felt like Clea would've been more impactful, and if Clea was more impactful, and if the skills were more impactful, and if as for projection were Tavo next was more impactful, then suddenly you have a. A, a realm where Nicola Scratch can get better. You saw, you know what I mean? It's like you almost saw like your, your, it's like your fantasy football team. You draft all the cards, you got clea, you have Astral project, you have all these cards. You're like, man, Nicola Scratch is gonna pop off. He's got the O line, he's got everything he needs. And then he just gets out there and he just keeps fumbling the ball. You're like, why, why is Nicola scratch fumbled? Well, it's'cause Clea iss the quarterback and she's always throwing picks and it's like it's, you know, after projection it is just disappearing and it's irrelevant. You know what I mean? The kickers missing that field metaphor. Yeah. You like that? That was cook

Cozy: 1:24:00

metaphor. I liked it. That was good. Like also is like if all these cards from two star to five Star, then this card would also be a good card as well. But yes, uh, he uh, give him time. Give him time.

Alex: 1:24:13

Yeah. So anyways, Nicholas Scratch, did miss the mark this month, but perhaps he can do better. I will ask this. I don't know if you know this, but does Nicholas Scratch have any, isn't, isn't the name of AGA's cat scratches? Is that, does they have any sort of, like, did he get turned into the cat or something? There's a callback to it. A hundred percent, yes. Okay. I wasn't sure about that. Astral projection. Astral projection. I was gonna make a joke about the first two letters of the name you call it as projection, which I, I, I don't know. That's not even funny. It's just, you know, whatever. I, at this point in time, we're just trying to get, get this put out here. I came in at 1.5 to two stars. I thought it was pretty bad. You never rated it'cause uh, you were, uh, under the weather. I

Cozy: 1:24:52

was like, dude, I don't remember talking about this card. I, I think I covered what I said at the beginning though. I think that all the skill cards that came out are them testing the waters with skill cards in general and where they should cost and what it should do for not being a card there. And oftentimes, although this could do some cool stuff oh man, there was one. It just. It doesn't sound the board. I hate that. And that, that bothers me for the cost. It costs for three costs.

Alex: 1:25:19

Yeah. Cost three with no body. And the, uh, a lot of people were making some noise about like the super surprise tron deck where you've played it and hit the tron. That deck's running a 35% win rate. Like a brutally savage, negative 0.42 cube rate. So it's like it didn't quite work out as expected. And ironically, the best place for it is gonna be a, uh, a Goliath based doom 2099 deck with Mercury. Even then, it's not doing that great modest cube rate at 53% win rate. It's just not a great card. It's just too expensive. This will probably be too, uh, next OTA, this is probably down to a two right off the rip. I, I wouldn't believe it. I would believe it, I should say. But um, but yeah, that, that pretty much, uh, that pretty much covers everything here because astral projection is garbage and not really worth much of our conversation. Uh, very disappointing card thus far, but I mean, we haven't quite cooked enough with that. I think that there's still more time, as you said, to make these skills a little bit better. Now, going through our final rankings, Cozy, we need to talk final rankings. Now I will say that I am a little sad because, um, I know I'm gonna take the L here'cause I, I'd had a couple misses this month. I will read my list out top to bottom. Number one, Merlin Kid. Omega Clea. So Clea was three for me. You laugh yourself. You laughed yourself over. Nicholas Scratch Dormammu the ancient one. Nightmare. Morgan Lafa, Jennifer, kale, and Cobra. I should just been sick this week. I should not have shown up for this podcast. Like I honestly should not have shown up for this podcast. I got Cobra. I got Cobra, right? That's right. Jennifer. Kale and Cobra knocked outta the par. So Jennifer, kale, Cobra, and Morgan La Fabian at the bottom were essentially correct. And then I have, yeah, the whole thing sucks man. Let's look at Cozy. Cozy take, which is significantly better. Was Merlin number one, nightmare. Number two, kiddo Omega number three. Dear mom, number four. Damn it. Cozy Nicholas. Scratch Morgan Lafaye the ancient one. Clea. Jennifer Kale. Cobra. Yeah, yours is almost perfect. I think maybe Kid Omega over. Nightmare. Maybe that.

Cozy: 1:27:17

Yeah. But I like it. Oh okay. Cozy. Yeah. I got you this month though. You do? Probably. Although we're very close with our goals. Invisible Woman's gonna go hard. It comes down to Invisible Woman. It comes down to Invisible Woman is what it's gonna come down to you on this month.

Alex: 1:27:31

Yeah. But uh, a little bit of a mess this month. But you know what? That's okay. You can't win'em all. But you know what you do win at Cozy, the Snapchat mailbag. You gotta love the mailbag. Cozy. Because we got some funny, honestly, absolutely hilarious comments. And I'm gonna throw this one on the screen here for those that are watching at home. And it was from the masters of our Keen Kid Omega conversation that you, I and Regis had. And the comment was from Sea Bilin and it said, Regis is the middle transformation from Cozy to Alex. And if you look at the image on the screen here, it lit, dude. It literally is. I think it's the glasses that does it. It's the beard to no beard and the glasses to glasses. But Regis really was the perfect. Meat to the sandwich.

Cozy: 1:28:13

I, oh God. I, uh, I don't often find my, my path over to Reddit, but I, I did fit that week'cause it was just too juicy with all the Omega stuff. And I, there's a lot on that actually. I saw, and probably my favorite though was like that just there's a lot of conversation on our friendship buddy. And that, that, that made me happy.

Alex: 1:28:34

Well, you know what, it's uh, it's one of those things where like, people. I hope people realize that like it takes a lot of effort to get these podcasts out consistently. And one of my favorite things about it is legitimately just getting to sit down, talk to a friend. And even often, like in full disclosure, it's often the stuff like off camera, not off camera, but like not, we're not recording. I get a chance to catch up with you for the first 10 minutes of the call and then like at the end we talk about a couple things and like it's just, it's a time for us to get together because. I mean, we all have friends that like, you know, you grow up, you have families. It's hard to stay in touch with one another. Right. And you're someone that I wanna stay in touch with. You're very important to me. And, uh, this is, this is something that's important. It's, it's just important. I know what else to say.

Cozy: 1:29:12

I kissed in the microphone.

Alex: 1:29:14

I saw that. I appreciate that. Just like content. Enjoyer guy, beautiful name appreciates this. I'd say bring Kid Omega on as a guest, but you couldn't afford him.

Cozy: 1:29:26

That's. I like it. Hats off. Yes. Yeah. A hundred dollars. A hundred dollars. You could almost buy a full year of season pass cards.

Alex: 1:29:36

I know for one card I. The Kid Omega pricing. You know, we should almost record an entire, I'm exhaust by it. Hour and 20 minute podcast about Kid Omega. I can't even talk about Kid Omega anymore. I just really, yeah, I don't have the card. I won't play it eventually, but Content or Joyer guy, that was a very high quality joke. We certainly appreciate it as move onto our next question from De Boarder. I think that's how you'd say that name. I don't know. I'm not reading anything anymore. My favorite nightmare moment was a red skull turned into Black Panther on five into an infin, turned into Artem. Zola turned six. So fun,

Cozy: 1:30:08

dude, I bet you I would've loved to have a highlight reel of like the best nightmare moments from that week. There's probably some nuts stuff

Alex: 1:30:16

out there. I know. Even like, honestly, like Black Panther, red Skull is pretty awesome, but just like Ironman into Red Skull, I. Then zing. That Ade Zola is absolutely insane, but that is legitimately so crazy. That's pretty funny. That is. That's wild. But yeah, that worked out well and it's honestly the reason why I love Nightmares, which it's probably my favorite part of the season. Like honestly, as much as I like Merlin, I thought their mama was cool. The amount of fun I had playing Nightmare it was peak Marvel, Snap for me. And then Okon, wow. Okon came at me hard. Not to be a corporatist jerk, but why does no one challenge Alex's assumption that free to play players should expect to be collection complete? That doesn't seem like a realistic expectation to me. Alex's complaints about extra cards always boil down to, but everyone has to be able to get all the cards. I'm not buying it. I want the game to remain solvent. Just trying to call this lot out there or what. Well, what I'm saying is I think it's a very fair assessment of like. It's one of those. First of all, there's sometimes as content creators, we talk and we say things and then people like. Take them in a different direction than our intention. I don't actually believe that free to play players should or are entitled to being completely collection complete all the time. But I do believe that this statement is functionally correct. I think that it is important to recognize that if you're playing a game free to play, that there are concessions you have to give. It's only fair that, um, you know, you, you do. Have expectations that maybe you aren't getting every single card. But I do think that free to play players should have a positive experience in the game. They're important to the health of the game. Absolutely. Just like whales are important to the health of the game, the free to play players are, are important as well. Where I start to disagree with these types of statements is where I think that season pass owners should feel like they're getting a legitimate amount of value. Should a season pass owner be able to remain collection complete. That's a question that I, I ask you guys. I, I don't have the answer to. I ask you. So someone who buys a season pass be able to remain collection complete.

Cozy: 1:32:11

That's fair. Is 120 bucks enough a year to get every card if you put your time into it too. That's a good discussion point for another time.

Alex: 1:32:19

Last question of the week comes from Risen and it says, fantastic episode. Thank you guys. I like Dara, but this really made me realize how much I enjoy Cozy and Alex's small talk about kids scratching cars, no pants in a club, and finally watching Daredevil, LOL. Love you guys.

Cozy: 1:32:36

Saw that love that I saw two takes. I saw that one, and I saw, uh, that it felt like, uh, this one was more Snap oriented, which you come for one, you come for, uh, you could get, uh, more random conversation about suntan or you could get, uh, dare, you know, when you have two streamers, I don't stream the game guys. So that's a, that's a, that's an obvious. Uh, so yeah. Does Alex and dare play boy with me? That's a, that's a hell yes. But, uh, so, you know, think you poison on that one, but I don't think we've ever to it ourselves as the two. Snap lords of knowledge over here. Uh, may, maybe, maybe other things, but yeah, buddy, it's always that. That's, that's what I come for, you know, the desserts, the snack, but the main course is Alex.

Alex: 1:33:14

Yeah, that's it's the most important part for me. And, uh, whatever the snapshot evolves into, into the future. At its core, it's about Cozy and Alex and, uh, obviously the friendship we've built over the years, but more importantly, the fun that we have on the show. Thanks so much everyone. We really appreciate you guys, and we'll see you next week on the Snapchat.

Cozy: 1:33:32

Have a great rest of your day and rest of the Monday, and we'll see you guys next week. Have a good one. Have a great one. To the next one, happy snapping.