New What If? Season | Snap Packs Say What? | March Cards In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 126

What if this is the best season of the year? What were the changes in the most recent OTA? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in March? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Transcript

Cozy Snap: 0:00

What's going on guys? And welcome back to another episode of the Snapchat. We have the What If Season Landing in Marvel Snap. And there's a lot of cool cars that this season brings, including Infinity, old Tron, and more new ways to get cars. It's gonna be a good one and a good season as Alex and I rank all of the cars and give our impressions if you should get them in our overall synergies that we can find. We're gonna talk about the OTA, the Balance Patchs lot to break down, and we're gonna talk about that all today. More on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by the one and only Mr. Alex Kocha. And if you guys like the late night episodes, you've come to the right episode of the Snapchat, we've got ourselves a late one today. The slurs will be long, the showers will be high quantity. We're at give or take plus or minus three for the shower count. Could be more by the end of this. We have no Snapchat mail back on my side. We do have it on his side. Last time, late night, mail back. It was chaos here, but we got ourselves a, a fun time at Snap. New card Acquisi acquisition announce. We've got you know, a, a cool what if season and I, I'm excited man. I'm excited. I'm. Fresh off a I'm a big, I'm a big college basketball fan, and my team had an epic collapse of all time. And so I'm trying to manage my emotions. I might break down crying. That just could be because of, you know actually it's just purely from frustration. But yeah, man, it's good. This is the, the cold, dark part of sports though, man. It's just baseball pretty much over here now till till it's not, is what I tell myself.

Alexander Coccia: 1:24

Yeah, see, I don't watch any baseball at all. And March Madness. Okay. You need to really understand the American University College like athletics is. Unseen anywhere else in the world, right? Yeah. Like if anyone in Canada would be like, yo, we're gonna watch college basketball, I'd be like, why? Like, why would you watch this man? Yeah. I'd rather watch my kids play soccer and just bumblebee. Right? Like, and so like it's, but so we were at actually the other night, my buddy, he moved to Oo place, so we went to a little pub nears house, right. Just checking some, the, the local scene out. And they had the march madness going. And I had no idea what any of the schools were, but I was like, man, those uniforms look really cool. Like, I thought the uniforms looked cool and stuff. I think we were watching Tennessee and someone, I don't know, because they were orange. Okay. And I, I was just, I thought it was ama, people were going nuts, bro. The stadium was packed for it's insane college game. It's insane. I insane. Are you kidding me? Like the CFL can't draw that. The CFL is like 15 people watching sometimes.

Cozy Snap: 2:13

I'm the biggest NFL fan I know. And in college football, but I would put the round of 64, so the opening ground and even past that, but really the round of 64 as like. The second or third best day in sports. Like, it's just so freaking cool. Like the playoffs are great, all that in NFL, but it's just, there's something, I don't know, I think college sports in general is cool. I went to Texas. Texas, I'm a big, big, just a big fan of, you know I'm, I have a lot of loyalty to my, to my, to my college, even though I don't know why I don't use my degree. I'm, I'm a YouTuber. But dude, it's wild to me too. You go to, you go to school your whole life. To get a degree and I just like chunked mine out a window. You know, I somewhere, I don't even have it anywhere. Do people hang those up?

Alexander Coccia: 2:56

My, so here's the funny thing. I never, so my degree, I never picked up, you know, like those composites where you graduate and you get your photo taken. I didn't show up for my university one. My mom was so upset and then I didn't pick up my diploma. My mom was so upset. And then I went to teacher's college, right? And then we have this, I think it's called like a convocation or whatever. You go across, you shake the person's hand, they give you the diploma, they give you the special gown thing that illustrate that you're a teacher now, man. You are a certified teacher. Bro, I didn't even show up and, well, I didn't even tell my mom what it was. I wasn't even in the, the picture for the graduating class that the teachers called. And I was like, what is wrong with you? You don't have the gown? No, I never got the gown. But now when I go to the, so when we have our graduations at school, they've now lent me one, because it's supposed, every university has a special color you wear at like a high school graduation to represent where the teacher graduated.

Cozy Snap: 3:42

If you hit a million subs in your lifetime, I will make a stage, I will get a crowd and I'll give you a gown made of gold and. Sparkles. Glitter. I appreciate

Alexander Coccia: 3:52

that. You want know the funny thing? I actually do have my diplomas now. Do you know who got them? For me? It was a Christmas present for my wife's parents. My in-laws got them for me. They, they called the universities and like got them to like, I think they had to pay to have them reprinted and they got them. And that's actually a thoughtful Yeah,

Cozy Snap: 4:09

I, I offered him a stage guys with glitter and, and he just went right on. It's fine. No, it's great. I, it was heartfelt. I, you know, I, I thought maybe you'd want a gold. Gown. I didn't want it. You know, I got you to a million sub first still, man. You don't even, I'm burning it. Nope. The, the, I'm burning it. Even if you get there now. And I'm say, do you remember March 29th heading into this season? Yeah. What? I know, I think, was it last season or the season before? We weren't exactly. It was the season before. We were like, not, not thrilled. How do you feel? What's, what's your one to five excitement level for the cards as we're about to, to break into them and you know, what you think they're going to do for Snap and competitive wise, fun wise, everything in between.

Alexander Coccia: 4:46

You know, I would say I'm only a four, right? Oh, okay. Last yeah, yeah. Last last month I had a couple I was excited for, even though a couple of them may have disappointed to some degree. We talked about that a lot, a lot of interesting designs as well. But for this season, like I, I think that we're gonna see a major buff to ongoing. Which is super exciting to me. I've always liked the ongoing shells. I think the interactions are very fun. Super scrolling into chanters are gonna be eating very well feasting this month, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Feasting. But overall, like, no, I'm, I'm super excited and when you pair that with the potential for card acquisitions and stuff like that, I, I think it's, it's a great time to be a Marvel Snap player.

Cozy Snap: 5:19

Yeah. I think last season you said it best. I think last season was more a, a fun season for. Trying interesting things. Combos cards are a little wacky, and, and this season's a bit more to earth outside of like infinity old Trump. But the cards here I like because they're very like, stable, good archetype cards. And that, I think that's really good. Not to say they can't be experimented with and there's some chaos in there, but like, this feels a much more grounded season, even though it's what if, which is kind of funny because it's supposed to be probably the, the most wild season. But with that, we're gonna go ahead and talk about all the cars, breaking down our thoughts, and we'll do a. Light touch up on the ot. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?

Alexander Coccia: 5:55

Cozy. On my side of the Snapchat. We're gonna be reviewing all of the cards from last season and going through our final rankings and see how we end up. We're also be talking about the new card acquisition model of Marvel Snap. The information we have, we're gonna give you our feedback on it. And then as always our Snapchat mail back.

Cozy Snap: 6:11

Well buddy, we're gonna just kinda get right into it. We have a lot of cars to cover today and you know, I think there's some interesting things that we can break down with these, some. That you guys may have not expected. We start off with Captain Carter right off the rip, Alex, a four three with an ongoing effect that it's gonna add this card's power to the back row of cards here. So everything obviously behind a Captain Carter obviously can't add it to itself. Pretty damn cool ability when you look at it with some nice potential, good synergy. And there's a lot to to dive into here. But obviously before that, what do you think, Amanda, about Captain Carter, what's your star rating?

Alexander Coccia: 6:46

Star rating, man, it, this month is by far one of the hardest to star rate. Yeah. Do you have that too?

Cozy Snap: 6:52

I'm glad I'm not alone. Okay.

Alexander Coccia: 6:53

Yeah. Yeah. Like I, I feel like I'm pretty high on most of the cards with maybe one, one or two that I'm lower on. Captain Carter, I'm pretty decently high on I, I'm giving her a four stars. And for that reason why is like, I, you can see the potential combinations with like with Captain America and everything else, and like the amount of potential she has is incredible. The thing that holds me back is how this macro interaction of the lanes, not the lanes, but like the positioning, if it's gonna be easy enough to kind of control. Yeah. But I had this thought, cozy, let me know. I think that Captain Carter was the actual reason why Doom 2099. No, no question. Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 7:29

Yeah. We'll get, we'll get there in just a moment. No, no question. That, that, that's the reason. And one other card, obviously, that'll be the next one to talk about. I agree. It's funny, like right off the rip, you look at her stats and what she does, I'm like five star, right? Like, I mean, dude, this is just a good card value all the way. But I agree, and it's not even just the fact of cards behind her. For me, and again, we could be doing the interview next month and be laughing at ourselves, like, how do we not see? It was a five star to me though, when you're stacking that heavy in a lane, right? It just. Do you need all that power in the lane? Now there's cars we're gonna talk about, but like you're committing so much cost and power to one side of things. And there's a couple decks that I think she's gonna be a five star card, right? Like what her purpose is. But overall, I think I agree with you. I think I'm gonna go with about a four here. And this is our first time interacting with the back row thing, so we're gonna have to see if that, you know, ends up being something that's easy, hard. And then we're gonna have a, a good foot moving forward with it. Now, obviously. Yes. Let's go ahead and start with. I think let's just start with ongoing cards in general here. Spectrum. I think this is a great spectrum card. We we're gonna see a lot of its potential because you got cheap cards that you could throw in there behind almost all the cards in the season just have kind of synergy with each other. There's a lot of them that wanna be with one another. So I think we got that going for her. Yeah, she's cool. She's interesting. I think, man, for they definitely had to make her forecast. Anything other than that was gonna go was gonna go a bit too crazy. But man, I mean, outside of spectrum, there's one clear and obvious. Archetype that I think is her bread and butter. But what I'll let, I'll hand it off to you.

Alexander Coccia: 8:58

I was gonna say it has to be the Doom 2099 style archetype. Because what, like, what you're looking at is the opportunity to like,'cause you do have 2 20 99 spectrum decks and if you think about running something like a like a sidewalk where you can sneak out the doom 2099 early, or I. Conversely, you can sneak out the Captain Carter early. You have this, these multiple play lines, which those decks tend to like prefer.'cause if you put all your eggs in one basket in some of the deck building scenarios, then you're gonna find yourself disappointed half the time. But some of the best decks out there are the ones that seem to have like all these. Multiple bylines, like the, the way that the modern scream decks work. You, you don't draw a scream, but you, but you have iron patriot and you have Sam Wilson and you have craven and like you have all these other ways to win. And so like yeah, I, I definitely think that Doom 2099 in testing was absolutely cracked because the spectrum variant of that deck is gonna love Captain Carter.

Cozy Snap: 9:49

Yeah. It just makes it easy. And then of course, yeah, you're having a a car that's able to produce more and more cars that just. Kind of makes sense together. I actually think tribunal will will be fun too. I think tribunal like is more than a meme here by a good amount. I mean, having that onslaught, like the curve out is really cool. Now it's got a obvious hard counter. You know, tribunal's gonna do tribunal things. But clearly the scaling is even crazier, so the floor is that much better. And then you can also get things going if you don't get certain draws. So I like that. You know, I like that you mentioned Cylo. I think she's the definition of there are like five or six forecast cards that would be cracked with her, right? Like from Galata, you name it. There's so many things that can continue to give her power that she can pump behind her. And a lot of those cards are forecast cards, you know? Now listen, a lot of people, they're pissed off about the whole Captain America Shield and not, not giving her power. Yeah. I will weigh you into this, Alex. I, the argument was that it's if, if Captain America never existed and she existed, the shield wouldn't be Captain America Shield, it'd be captain. So apparently that's the argument. What do you think?

Alexander Coccia: 10:51

I tend to think that. Glen is going to fierce fiercely defend the fact that this is not Captain America's shield and he'll forever do so simply for balance reasons. Yeah. You'll never convince him otherwise. Simply for balance reasons. There's a good Spiderman if, if she was getting buffed by Sam Wilson's shield, you have any idea how pissed off and cracked that would be? Everyone would be so mad. Yeah. It would be so unbelievably busted. So for pure balance reasons, you'll never see Glen say anything other than it's not cap shield.

Cozy Snap: 11:20

Dude, I, yeah, that in the 2099 deck, you'll die in those hills and we'll, we'll let'em have it, but yeah, I know people, people have gone through it. Totally, totally. I totally get it. I think this is just a, yeah, no. We're just gonna, we're just gonna move on. Is, is what they, what they have to say there. I think it was dangerous wording what they did with that, with a, you know, give cap shield because there's not gonna be another cap most likely. So, I don't know interesting pickle they got themselves in. But yeah, dude, you know, I think we've fallen into the trap of these power boosted cards before. Scarlet Spider comes to mind where it's like, in theory there's like some really crazy stuff that you can do, but I think she's a bit easier just because of the way that she's gonna work. Although, you know, could this tip the scales? Could you have the, the iron hard ity, gwyn pool, Scarlet spider? You know, maybe we will, we will have to find out. But I think just at a core baseline, what she does well is gonna be, you know, worth her spot in, in a good amount of decks.

Alexander Coccia: 12:17

No, for sure dude. Like I actually think that she can definitely be impactful and if you want to get into a bit of cope right off the bat, like, okay, listen, I know, I know people are gonna talk some smack here. She's a forecast. I'm just gonna throw this out there. If you, Jean Gray, captain America and Mojo, right? And you have that kind of setup. You're forcing'em to play into your location and also you're gonna be filling that location anyway with Ongoings and she'll buff that up and help to trade that location. Maybe you throw in the more in the right lane, you know what I mean? Omega red. Then you spectrum Omega red in the

Cozy Snap: 12:47

mojo lane. They're gonna lose it. There's no shot. There's no shot. They win it. I like it. The Moonstone, if you just want to go even, great. I think Moonstone not with this card, but Moonstones gonna be feasting this month too. But super squirrel, man. The stalks. On super scroll, like you, this is the easiest. Like, you wanna save money, everybody's gonna be playing this card. Super. Scroll it up, get all the benefits, rejoice. But yeah, man, I think you know, what I'm gonna be interested in is seeing kind of these filler decks, right? Where you've got like, I don't know, wasps and my sinisters, mysterious, you name it, squirrels, just trying to fill that back line with her. And, and that's gonna be we will see how those decks kind of come together and what they end up being. But it's cool man to see a deck, like the Spectrum deck continue to get better and better since the release of this game. And like now it's becoming a serious threat, man. And I think, you know, do you have any other things to say about Captain Carter?

Alexander Coccia: 13:41

Yeah, I think about like the feedback loops that are available in something like ongoing. Like what, what happens with a, like a blue mar, right? A blue Marvel's gonna buff. Captain Marvel, or not Captain Marvel, captain Carter. And she's gonna then apply that buff into the back row. But that back row is also being buffed by Blue Marvel. So you're kind of double dipping on that buff. So I think that's kind of cool. Yeah. Worth considering. But if you onslaught the Captain Carter Blue, Marvel Lean, and then it doubles the double, which then pulls it back. And then I just think that's kind of fascinating and I'll let the game do the math on it. But I think you're right, man. If you're, if you're running like Azabu style deck with this and you just literally run like super scroll. Pool Galata and Captain Carter, like you're just kinda laughing'cause you're gonna feast. And the thing I think is that for the first couple weeks, especially with a couple of the cards we're gonna be talking about upcoming, there's, there's, oh man, there's so many interesting cards This month, super school's gonna be a legit, perfect card to add your collection because it's just gonna be. It's gonna be a great counter carb, but also I think it's gonna help you win mirror matches, which we've seen in the past before.

Cozy Snap: 14:40

Yeah, man, it is funny, as you were talking about that there's a car that I haven't seen anyone talk about that I, I always gotta go back to that I think actually has real potential. It like, you know, a little bit of a cook of my own. Not Coke, just a cook. It's ultra on. Because if you even think about just the bare minimum play of going with what you just said, you know, you go Carter Blue Marvel, and then Ultron, like you're able to play Ultron where you want to, so you can play it like behind. The car due to get boosted up. Nice. You got the blue marvel, so you're kicking up old Sean. You know, really good metrics at that point. But then you got the, you got the drones so you could play him somewhere else. Get a nice little stack of power. Those drones are gonna both land behind her, boost up to the moon. Right. And then you also have a whole nother lane with the drones. Like that's just a lot happening. I kind of like him as a nice little finisher in her deck.

Alexander Coccia: 15:25

I do as well. And I think one of the key things that kind of holds back Captain Carter's versatility is the fact that she should be in the first row. If she's in the second row, if it interacts the way I would expect she just busts the card beside her type thing. So if you're able to play her into a row where she's one of the first two cards and she's by herself. Ultra solves that problem. Yep. Right. And I, I actually don't think it's cope at all. And sometimes the difference between coping and cooking is a very fine line. It's a fine,

Cozy Snap: 15:50

it's a fine line. Now, me and you, let's be honest, like there's this, this tension in the room right now that we're just holding back. This happens sometimes when we, when we film. It's the next card we want to talk about that just has everything to do with what we want to talk about here. So we might as well just bring it in. I know we've got Goliath, guys. Goliath is a Goliath of a card two, one ongoing plus one for each ongoing card that you have played. So it's the morus if you will, kind of, of the ongoing archetype. Brother, this card is gonna go bunkers. This is such a good card, man. What do you, what do you have for star ratings on this one?

Alexander Coccia: 16:27

That's, this is an easy five star clap here. Easy five.

Cozy Snap: 16:30

Easy five, right? Yeah. The, the easy five.

Alexander Coccia: 16:32

This is this. I can't believe this card didn't already exist.

Cozy Snap: 16:34

No. Yeah, well we've been talking about it for two years now that we won a card, you know, more archetypes to get the plus one plus two kind of tipping scale scaling cards, if you will. And I think for a while there wasn't enough for other archetypes to keep, like, you know, some of these, like if MOVE would've got whatever, you know, it would've been too much. And I think right now, like the timing, the place is right. This card is good. Anyway, bro, this is such a good card that it's gonna go crazy, especially the two cost lot. Like that's the number one reason why it's so cooked. Man. This thing is gonna go nuts. I just talked about moonstone. That's gotta be probably the biggest crazy combo with it. What do you think, man?

Alexander Coccia: 17:15

Yeah, moonstone absolutely insane. Insane this month. Absolutely wild with Gola Goliath. Sorry. Honestly, like, I think one of the major challenges with Spectrum for so long has been that you haven't had inexpensive cards worth hitting.'cause Spectrum is a blanket plus two. Yep. So if you're hitting kind of chunks with that plus two, it's disproportion, it's like disproportionately better to hit smaller cards. And I think Captain America's Shield, not Captain America's Shield, sorry, Sam Wilson and his shield. Was particularly beneficial to the spectrum style decks because there were two cards in one that could get hit by the spectrum buff, right? Yep. One of the challenges that the ongoing decks have is like if you look at the inexpensive slots, they don't have many one drops that like you really want to add to the deck. You have the Amman, of course, it just gets a little thin from there. But in the two drops you used to cope with stuff like Goose. You'd even play armor just'cause like why Colo just like Colossus.'cause you wanted targets. Right now Goliath, are you kidding me? Goliath makes Colossus look like a complete. Dumbass. Like, why would you ever play that card when you can play Goliath? Who is literally borderline the, it's, it's, it's morphous for ongoing morphous is ongoing, but you know what I mean. Right. Yeah. It's

Cozy Snap: 18:27

the morphous for ongoing. Exactly. I listen, and I, I said a blunder there when I was saying the description of the card. It's not that you have played, it's in play, so June, 2099. It's so funny'cause we look at what they did to the card and we're like, oh no. Like, you know, I can't believe it. And now it's like, is it enough? Like it's gonna go wild, man. I mean there's just so much synergy combined. The fact that he's two that you can get going with Captain Carter, then you go into Doom and then you finish with Doom. Good Go. I mean, that's gonna be. Serer level of easy to play that does a lot of power. That's gonna be tough to put up with. Obviously there's a, the more clear answer on how to counter it, but it looks, it looks good.

Alexander Coccia: 19:12

The thing I see is like, do you remember how speed was like, this is not an exciting car. This is better than speed at the two drop slot? Oh, yeah. Like the capabilities of this are higher than that of speed. And speed is a good card. You know what I mean? Yeah. This is a higher ceiling than speed, if you can believe it or not. Like, like honestly, the only thing that gets me a little nervous about a car like this. I think it prevents you from having like a zoo ongoing card. And I think that Sam Wilson's probably the closest you get. And by zoo I mean like you can't have a squirrel girl that throws ongoings because then Goliath just feasts and every, and spectrum just feasts, right? Yeah. So I think that like this card is a bit of a design constraint. I could see it going down to two zero. I'm actually surprised it's coming out as a two one. I I think it might be a little, little hot, to be honest with you.

Cozy Snap: 19:57

Yeah, I mean, it, it definitely, it, it definitely has a lot of potential. I mean, you could even go with like Goliath and the Mystique and then you could just start playing a bunch of load cheap cards and make it work. I don't know, we're gonna. But yeah, I do agree. I think it is coming in hot and it's crazy to think of that as even just a two, one morby is a two zero, he turns out fine. So two, one at that crazy, you know, you can do Rvo synergy with it to get it even cheaper RVOs and ongoing car. So that helps kind of get that whole thing rolling. And then obviously, yeah, as we were just talking about the, the Captain America, the Shield, immediately giving them a buff is just so, like, God, that thing is just so good. That card is so stupid strong. You know, it's, it's, it's crazy to see. If you know the, the spectrum decks, this is what's really gonna supercharge it. You've got the doom thing, but then you also have this just fitting into like a wide variety of decks where it has solid value regardless. So yeah, I'm excited. I think this thing could go to the moon and this is probably the card of the month

Alexander Coccia: 20:51

for sure. I think it's one of the absolute strongest power wise of the month.

Cozy Snap: 20:55

Kari is a four six honor reveal. Each card in your hand gives one of your cards in play plus one power. Kari, what do you think about this? Four, six. What's your star rating?

Alexander Coccia: 21:08

This is a great example and there's two cards in this batch of cards that I'm so happy we got the trailer in advance. This, they had to change the wording on this. Yeah, I dunno if you noticed that they adjusted the wording. This is a totally different effect than what it sounded like before. Like before, it's almost sounded like one card was getting the power of k. Now in the trailer, you see it, it's spreading the power. And that changes a lot.'cause that makes cards like Sebastian Shaw like it a lot more and stuff like that. Right? The fact that you're spreading the power is a very different thing. And so, yeah, I like kri. I I think it's, it's, I think it's good, man. I think it's good. I can't see being lower than four star. This is a, a very good four star. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't see it hitting the five star level. I'm very comfortable at like a, a solid four star here.

Cozy Snap: 21:55

Yeah, I think so. I just don't know ultimately how many decks it ends up being in. Like, I think the week she comes out, it's really good. Like just on paper, she's gonna have, like, her stats are gonna make sense for a forecast card. The power spreading out, sometimes you're not gonna want that, you know, and it's random. So you do have that going on. I agree. I have three and a half. I, I, you know, it definitely convinced me, I think that, you know. Obviously like hand size decks and and and stuff that can generate a lot of cards and you know, we're never gonna see Devil Dinosaur in the collector deck come back. There's just no way. But that kind of style would've been like her main home. But then Captain Carter for one, let's just talk about that. It's a forecast so it doesn't, you know, it's not all that much, but you get some power there for Captain and get some more things buffed up. I just wanna know, like, you know, Galata was the standard of like the four that can be played anywhere. I don't know if she's got that kind of. Staying power, but she definitely is solid. Like she can do a lot. There are some re like Galactic didn't have any restrictions other than playing another lane. This one you have to at least have your, your cards and your, you know, you gotta have some things cooking a little bit. But the values there. So I have her three and a half. I wanna see kind of where she fits in.

Alexander Coccia: 23:04

I think she is gonna be niche. I think that what you have to consider is that Victoria hand was solid when it released. Yeah. Those decks were close to being like legit. They just didn't quite make it to the top. And people in Marvel Snap, they tend to play the best'cause they want to be competitive. And Victoria Hand was just outside that. This is a Victoria hand card. This is a hand Genn card. And that deck with this power infusion, I think is significantly stronger. Yeah. And you only need one deck really, to make a card shine.

Cozy Snap: 23:34

Oh, for sure, man. And then, yeah, you start snowballing the Patriot, iron, Patriot, and Agent Colson, and you got, you got variants and then rgs kinda like the point of it in a good way. So I, yeah, I, I agree. I think there, there could be a lot here. I'm gonna be excited how it goes out. I'm gonna go a little lower at three and a half, but I still think it's a great card. Speaking of man. So anything else there, by the way, I mean, I feel like there's a, there's plenty we could talk about with her, but also like, also not she's on reveal. We could say it wrong. We could say, you know, grand Master absorb it, whatever the, for, it's the forecast. Like if that, you know, it's just tough to make things work from there.

Alexander Coccia: 24:10

Yeah, it's just the cards. Like I think that like Scarlet Spider could be potentially a target. Captain Marvel likes the extra power, but what I would like for you to do cozy, just right off the top of putting you on the spot I'd like you to rank these three cards. Khoi Gwenpool. Galata. How would you rank those three?

Cozy Snap: 24:25

Yeah.'cause Gren pool.

Alexander Coccia: 24:27

Mm. So hard now, especially with the news. No, I would go,

Cozy Snap: 24:31

I would go Galactic Horri then, then Gwen Gwynn pool. Yeah. Gwen. It's so much harder to control your deck than the cards in play. So Kri, at least you can like get, you know, you could, you could map it out a bit easier. I think the Lact is just consistently good. Like consistently strong. Obviously that had a air, air. So that's probably my order. How about you?

Alexander Coccia: 24:53

You know what I, I tend to agree with what you're saying. I might put kri over Gwenpool. The only reason why is, that's what I said, kri of those cards is the one that can be played late, can be played on turn six. You know what I mean? You can play it in conjunction with a, a mirage or if you have extra energy, you can play it with the coleson and it'll spread power. You know what I mean? It'll be disproportionate, pretty good for your lineup. So yeah, like, I don't know. Those other two definitely want to be out early. Kari can be played late, so they're all

Cozy Snap: 25:18

different. You said over wind pool, do you mean Galata? I'm just curious.

Alexander Coccia: 25:20

I said what?

Cozy Snap: 25:21

No, it's, we could do an emergency shower. No. So rank them number one. What's number one out of those three?

Alexander Coccia: 25:26

I would go Galata. Gwenpool. Okay. No, sorry. Galata. Kri. Gwenpool.

Cozy Snap: 25:30

Okay. So we're, we're the same. Okay. That's what, that was my, my ordering as well. Okay. I wanted to, I wanted to make sure. Oh, I

Alexander Coccia: 25:36

thought you had Kri last.

Cozy Snap: 25:37

No, she's second. No, I think she's better than wind pool. GW pool's too tough that I was saying GR pool. You have to, you know, manage your hand and so that's tougher to do than managing cards in play, essentially. What does that be like to target the plus power is my thought. If you were to take'em to a candlelight dinner, a a candlelight dinner, what would be, what would be your order? 1, 2, 3 for a candlelight dinner.

Alexander Coccia: 25:57

Oh, damn. You know what, I, I think I'd go cohort one. You know, my, my family has some some indigenous relatives and roots, and so I would like to learn more about the appreciate that the mohawk tradition. What a,

Cozy Snap: 26:07

what a man of the people who would you take to a candlelight dinner? And he is like, you know, my family. Comes. Hey, that's a solid answer, Alex. That's a thank you. Mine. Thank mine. As I turn them all down, I take aero to a hell of a time. That's, that's

Alexander Coccia: 26:19

like a true gentleman. Yeah, like a true gentleman.

Cozy Snap: 26:22

Well, buddy definitely excited to see where, where Khor ends up. We're placed into these cards, man. Again, but these are a little bit more level to earth, right? Like, you know, we talk about frigging fire hair last time and you got like a million things you could talk about, but then we get to the next card, and this is the. This is the big tuna. This is the what, what could there be going on Here we have Infinity Ultron, guys. Infinity Ultron is gonna be a five six. And when you play him down, he's gonna give you two of his Infinity Stones. Two, your hand. And my friend. We don't have the Stones. They didn't, they didn't give us a i I, I can put, I'll, I'll be putting'em in post here. We're gonna read through the Stones one at a time. Let's start with his base before we get to the Stones. Just his base, he's a five six. Adds to these stones. These stones are relatively pretty good. What are your initial impressions before diving into the stones?

Alexander Coccia: 27:14

I got a little bit of bad news. I think I talked my soda self out of liking infinity Ultron. Okay. I think I like it still as a card, what you have. Right. But I think I doubt it's power.

Cozy Snap: 27:26

I think that's fair. I actually think we gave him a three. I think I gave him a three last time. I think I'm sticking with a three.

Alexander Coccia: 27:31

I was gonna say, I, I missed three. Three. I thought that was gonna be low. I thought you were gonna be way higher than that. No, no, no. So we're on the same page.

Cozy Snap: 27:38

No, but he's a five star fun card. So like, this is one of those cars that it's just like, it's fun to play. It's like the Mr. Negative archetype. It's like, that to me is what this card is. Right? So like they, we see this every season, every other season. You've got like the competitive cards, the try hard cards, the ones that are fun, that aren't dominant always, but fun. And then you got the others, you know, the, you got the. Crap cars out there too. But I would agree. I think competitively it's a three and I, I, I don't know if it's gonna make much room there, but it's, put it this way because it reminds me of negative because there are, there are stone combos that you can get as I'm about to read them, that win you games. Like you'll just win the game. You know, if you get these stone combos. And then there's stuff that you're like, there's just, you're gonna, there's not enough momentum there, and that's the negative. You know what I mean? Like that's, that's where it's fun and not competitive.

Alexander Coccia: 28:31

You know where my thought process went. The reason why I talked myself down off liking this card too much. Okay. And I think you're right, but you won't be able to reliably get specific combos, right?'cause it's gonna be random cards you get. I want you to think about how bad, not bad, but how it feels to play. Sarah, on turn five I. You play Sarah, and you feel like you're behind on that turn, like you've given something up on that turn to play, Sarah. This is only one power more than that. And then the whole backup plan to, or the whole reason why you play Sarah, is then you come back that next six turns. Exactly. With the gravy. Right. And this is exactly the same thing, except you're coming with like. Random stones. Whereas Sarah, it's like silver surfer abs man. Like you got a plan, right? Like you got these bangers, you got, oh, you juggernaut outta here, you surfer into whatever, like you have a plan of three cards. If you're playing surfer, for instance, with Vinny Ultron, you might win the lottery of the stones. You get, you might not win the lottery. Do you run six drops or do you just rely on the Infinity Tron for turn six? So for me, I was like, ah. Dude, first off, first

Cozy Snap: 29:30

off, March. Mad is like, Sarah Miracle is like a free throw to win it. And, and then old Sean's like a half court shot. Like, it's like you're definitely, it's just tougher. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage to read through the stones real quick, guys, we got'em all right here. So Old Sean's Space Stone is a three four honor reveal. Move the lowest Power Enemy card here to the location of Infinity UL Ultra. All right, so that's the space stone, and then we'll kind of go through'em all the reality stone. Add a drone here and set its power to Infinity Ultras. Okay, hold it. Hold you knowledge. You've got the time. Stone three one on reveal. Put a card from your hand here. Mine stone. Your on reveal. Ongoing. Your on reveal abilities Ha Here happen twice. It's a three two. Keep this in mind. Power stone. Honor reveal double infinity, ultron power, and then the soul stone. Honor reveal for each of your full location. Locations. Give one of your cards here, plus two power. So some of these are cracked, like some of these are really good, but there's just too much variance. Let's talk about which ones you like the most.

Alexander Coccia: 30:34

I definitely like the Mini Wong. And obviously won wonk. You know, you mini Wong into like giving him additional power and that's cool, but that's also very vertical, right? And Marvel snap's not always about going vertical.'cause if you wanna go really vertical, you could just play a blob, you know what I mean? Or like, there's, there's other ways to do that that are more consistent than this. And that's kind of what brings me off him a little bit. Right? And I had this thought of like, what if you play magic on three and then like you Infiniti Altron, and then you odin the Infinity altron and then you got all these stones and you're like, what am I gonna do with these stones? Have so many options. I don't even know if you can get replicated stones. Like could you get double wons? Like could you, I don't know. Right? But yeah, like the stones are good, but you commit your turn six to'em.

Cozy Snap: 31:14

Yeah, so the, my problem with the card is it's not even it being a five six and you've got the miracle plate. It's that these are three costs, man. It's just, so that's like such a, a gift. We can, you could, you could quine it, which makes it a two, but you're only getting two stones. So then at that point it's like, okay, well then. They got another two to play. You know, so it's just like the, the end result is weird. I actually think the one that you double Han's power there and then you play the drone that's gonna match the power is, that's a very strong play. Or the one where it's gonna play one of your cards that you have in your hand. I mean, that's clearly insane. So I get what they did. High cost, really good abilities, but with so much variance and as like a last Harold Mary, and you have to throw turn five. I wish the cards were two cost, probably like, to me that that sounds way more fun, fair, collective. And then you can maybe G Jett and then they won and then you can get something going. So yeah, I, I agree. I think it's a lot of fun. I just dunno how consistent it'll be.

Alexander Coccia: 32:07

I wonder if one of the ways you balance the card is by giving it a third stone. What if you add a third stone as the on reveal? Right? Then suddenly Quinjet makes more sense.'cause you fully commit to Tron. You either play two Stones without Quinjet or three stones with Quinjet. Okay. You just have to make sure you get unique stones to prevent too much combo centric play. That might be a massive power spike though. Yeah. Because not only are you gonna reduce the variance of the card because like the, you're gonna get more consistent results from the, the stones you draw. But if you like, if you don't have quinjet, you have to choose the best two, the three, depending on the situation. What I think it's fun and if you have quinjet, you can just throw all three down. I almost like having the idea of three stones, but then again, we're talking about a card that hasn't even released, like what we're buffing a card that we haven't got in our hands because of that. You know, this is gonna be the best one in the month. Right?

Cozy Snap: 32:48

Yeah, for sure. Right. I mean, I would say, if you think about the variance, we did this with Kate Bishop, right? Let's like the soul stone is for each full location, it's plus two power, right? To your cars. That I would say. Would rather not. Right. Power stone. Double His power is fine. That's a good one. Honor reveal happened twice. Yes. Put a card here is the best. I think the put a card here might be the best one.'cause you're three cars. You could really get things going with that. I again though, what does the deck look like? There's probably two cars. The Space Stone's. Okay. You can move the lowest enemy powered card over to Trons location. I almost wish that was the highest powered card there. Right? Because then you make a contest with Tron. And its power that it would have at that point, right? Maybe potentially. So there's like two-ish bad ones. So you get, so you could get those too. That would be awful. And then there's obviously like four, like pretty good ones. Yeah. Overall, man, I just don't know. I just think it's a fun card. And you know, I don't know how much you can even cook with it at this stage till we get our hands on it.

Alexander Coccia: 33:48

Yeah, no, I, I agree. Absolutely.

Cozy Snap: 33:50

Strange Supreme guys. Now, strange Supreme is is one of the few that we have. First of all, great episode. Strange Supreme is a two two and it gains plus two power when it merges. Now it's gonna merge at the end of the turn with one of your created cards into this. So, sorry, it's gonna merge one of your created cards into Strange. Can this be anywhere on the board? Correct.

Alexander Coccia: 34:16

So this is the second one that watching the trailer in advance was certainly appreciated. First of all, they buffed it on our preview, which was like a month or whatever, two months ago. Now at this point it was two zero. Now it's a two. Two. Yep. But the same effect except. On the actual video, they did showcase it drawing car Emerge card from any of the locations. Yeah, that's a huge crack change. I almost assumed it had to be on the original one, but no siry, Bob. No. It can be pulling from anywhere and that's a huge buff. Yeah, I mean it could be detrimental too, but that's a very significant change. Before we dive in, what you start

Cozy Snap: 34:49

rating.

Alexander Coccia: 34:51

You know what, this is the one that I came in at like in our preview. You're like, Alex, what do you think? I was like, ah, you know, it seems like a two star card, but not anymore. No, not after seeing that trailer. This card is good. There are some dirty combinations we're gonna talk about momentarily here, but like, I, I wanna go like 4.5. Like, I, I don't think it's as good as Goliath, but this could be one of the cards of the month. It would not surprise me because of the way it's gonna synergize in some very ruthless strategies. Yeah. I, I'm gonna go four, but like, I would go 4.5 if I, if I could allow myself.

Cozy Snap: 35:20

Yeah, I think 4.5 sounds about right. Yeah. So like this thing just has limitless potential and I think it's floor is, it's floor is just great as a two cost card, right? Because there's so many cards that synergize with it that we're gonna dive into. But then it continues just to, the plus two on top of merging makes this thing crazy. Obviously R and Abola super fun. Like super fun. That's like a, a killer time. But talk to me about some of the merge cards that you could get going with this.

Alexander Coccia: 35:50

Well, right off the top man. It's insane. With debris. Yeah. Like talk about one, one man having fun. The other person just wanted to smash their phone. Yeah. You debris them, you take up three slots on their board, or two slots on the board, I should say. And then with you, you're just, you're just feasting on those rocks. You're feasting on the rocks, getting buffed, clearing up the space. I think that's absolutely insane. Yeah, man. Another good interaction. I would be interested to see the interaction with Mysterio. Like if he, I don't know this answer, but if he eats the clones or if he eats the real one, does he get the plus four after? Probably not like he, but you do technically clear the clones. No.

Cozy Snap: 36:22

Yeah, I think so. I think it's gonna work where you clear the, the, the clones, I guess as could be a slight risk. But either way it's like squirrel girl is, is just a crazy, like playing squirrel into him, into debris is such a silly line. Like it's just there's a lot of merging happening. Yeah, there's some clog, but then he's able to clear it up on your side. Their side's a little bit tougher. And then you can kind of continue to punch this. It's like the anti claw card, but also encourages c Clogged play. Like, like it's one of those again. I just think this thing has a lot of use across the board. You're able to build a lane vertically while also playing cards that go wide, which is always nice to have. Man, I don't know the, the, I, I think 4.5 feels about right. I think we could also look back and say, wow, yeah, this was the card of the month. Because look at where he is being plugged into. It's a two cost card man, and 2 5, 2 6 oftentimes is like, you know, the fact that it's a two two now is so crazy to me. It's, it's a one merge. It's a two four. That's wild.

Alexander Coccia: 37:18

There's a couple things though. Like, first of all it could work really well with Thanos, for instance,'cause Thanos too often wanna clear those rocks. You'd even go as far as to killmonger them sometimes. Right. The only major problem I see is that it counteracts some of the strongest cards in the game, like Mockingbird. Is now like you can't mockingbird in that deck because you're taking out all of mockingbirds discounted like cards, right? All those enablers and something like a Victoria hand, which is going get the benefit of kri, those created cards are gonna get munched on. Right? So you, you know, you got, oh, actually like Victoria hand. Nah, she probably won't like it. Anyway. I was gonna cope for a sec, but No, no, you're not gonna play those two together, but realistically, I saw it as a, a challenge for Mockingbird. For sure. So those decks are kind of Gilgamesh with each other. Gilgamesh

Cozy Snap: 37:59

too. Yeah. Like you, you're gonna be eating the squirrels by the time he comes out, he'll get the buff, which is nice from him, but like there's not, yeah, I, yeah, there are some, I think they kind of thought that out a little bit. Like some of these super strong synergies may not work with them. I agree There. I think though, having the ability to, to play things and get your, you know, locations not completely full is, is a huge stepping stone.'cause that's a hurdle that we've ran into a lot in Snap. Right. So that, that's potentially a, a, a big bonus.

Alexander Coccia: 38:27

He will not work effectively probably with Captain Carter, I would imagine.'cause he's gonna eat stuff and move things outta there maybe. Well, I don't know. The only other thing I can think of, he's obviously gonna be a magnet for Shadow King and Shachi. Those will be big mags for him. And if you Zola him, will he eat himself?

Cozy Snap: 38:44

If you Zola him, if you zola him, will he eat himself? What a question, bro. Yeah, I think so. Right? That's awesome. Hey, because you

Alexander Coccia: 38:53

mentioned it before, I was like, wait a minute, wait a second. Do all

Cozy Snap: 38:56

eat themselves? Like is there only one leftover? Because,'cause the first one eats the second one and the third one eats the that one and then it's done.

Alexander Coccia: 39:04

I have no idea bud.

Cozy Snap: 39:06

Bro, that's it. That's a, a plus interaction. That, that's the the late night Alex coach. Coaching questions you'd love to see. Last but not least, actually we have two. We have hydro stomper now. Hydro stomper is a again, Alex kind of like Mobius, what we just said. We want more of these for other archetypes. Well move finally has its, it is a three cost, two power card ongoing, plus one power for each time. One of your cards moved. This game and they change it to where it's now each time it moves, not if a car one single, you know, card moves. So that's really good. That's really gonna help it just get higher and higher. But what are your thoughts on the card? I.

Alexander Coccia: 39:46

I think I love this card. I still think that the original data mind of you getting buffed for how often any card moved, which allowed it to play the screen decks was still probably a card that I think comes out in Marvel Snap. This was originally a three one. They buffed it to three two, and I think that should be a red flag for the most part, but it's not for me. I can see this card being absolutely wild. There's a couple really synergistic cards, but like, yeah, this is very naturally a very good move card that I think does not rely on like combo move. Like right now, move is very fri bounce centric. Like it's very head gamey and this is like, no, no, don't worry about that. Just play, move, put cards on the field and let them all, you know, Chacha slide, laughter, whatever it is. Right? So there's a couple cards that are gonna be true bangers with hydros stopper. I'm pretty impressed with it.

Cozy Snap: 40:33

Yeah, no, I agree, man. I think that my reservation, what, what was the star rating you gave him?

Alexander Coccia: 40:38

You know what? On my notes I have 4.5 question mark. Whoa. Like, almost willing to go that high. I think Hydro stomper. My concern is that I wonder if the move decks that it's in aren't good enough, but I think the card is super good. That's, know what I mean? That's card is, that's my main concern.

Cozy Snap: 40:52

I was gonna say, if you wanna know my concern, it's, it's, it's a move card, bro. I have, I'm done getting torched by like the, the Madam Web of the world. Like I'd, I'd get, I'd get excited and then I get reminded it's in the move archetype. Like I think this is a great. Fantastic card for the archetype that can really help it scale vertically in lanes that it needs to. And it, it's fascinating with a lot of the synergy that can be done move historically, three costs is such a hyper aggressive cost. That's one of the issues like vulture and setting up moves, you only have so much time to move stuff, right? So like, clearly Heim Dell is, is like the winner because you're able to have like a big Wolff move and then everything goes up at the same time and then whatever. Right. That's great. And then some of these independent movers, like Jeff is great too. Like those are the ones that I think are really cool as like a general use. I'm gonna go with a three though, just because of I've been barren too many times and I feel like I don't, I don't, I, I could even go low. I feel like I might even go two and a half. I might, I'm gonna go two and a half. I.

Alexander Coccia: 41:51

Two and a half. K. Hold on. I might change your mind though'cause I think there's a card that, okay. You might not realize is as good as it is with this card. If you play silk on curve and you play hydro stomper on top, hydro stomper re resolves silk moves and it immediately gets buffed. And then every single card you play from then on silk is moving and buffing hydro stomper.

Cozy Snap: 42:13

Yo, hold on now.

Alexander Coccia: 42:14

See? No, see, see, once you start to think about it, so it's outside, can start moving everywhere, bud.

Cozy Snap: 42:20

So, you know what, this is a great, great job because to me, in a, in a, in a regular move deck, I just, I'm not getting burned again. And these other type of move decks where you get, like, you get the, the, the, yeah, the craving, the silk, the silky smoothie, whatever, right? And you get these cars that just move on their own, like I said. But the silk. It's interesting. Heck, even hydro Bob in there. You get the initial Snap man, get the Sam Wilson, get him going. Sam Wilson has a lot of movement too. So let's say you can move 3, 4, 5, 5 times. Yeah. Then it's getting up to, dang. Okay. Okay. Alright. I think it could be pretty good then.

Alexander Coccia: 42:57

Wow, I'm impressed. Think about silk, right? Think, think about like on one turn.'cause your opponent will force silk to move too. So like they play on silk, silk moves, silk moves, silk moves. You're playing on silk, silk's moving, silk's moving, like they can pro it more than you think.

Cozy Snap: 43:13

Not to mention this is just a great Spider-Man, by the way, not to mention that move cards like the, these decks have always been good. Silky Smith was good because you have the agency of moving too. So like now you have this thing to move, but then you also get. I wanna see how it, how it curves out. Yeah. I'm definitely not giving it two and a half now. I, I probably three though. I'm still gonna go three, but I wanna be wrong. I wanna be wrong with this one.

Alexander Coccia: 43:33

I talked you off usually Do you do that to me? Yeah. I

Cozy Snap: 43:35

like the silk. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I like it for whatever reason.'cause scream is what allows this card to exist pretty much. You know, like this is just a good card to be able to get counted by, scream. But man, I like it a lot. I do. Last but not least, we have dumb, dumb dugan. This is the high. You're dug in. This is the high voltage card of the month. Two three, your front row cards here at plus one power. So it's a two five and you've gotta play a little bit later. Two, four, if you play it on curve, I guess. Okay. I think, honestly this is fine for spectrum decks.

Alexander Coccia: 44:06

I mean, this is, again, it, it provides a feedback loop to Agent Carter that we were kind of discussing before. Right. And it's another inexpensive card that allows spectrum hits. It's probably good. It's, it's the least exciting, I'll tell you. I'm giving you the two stars because even though I can see it seeing play, I don't think it's gonna be competitive at the end of the day because now you're, you're really playing too much into the positioning of the cards. I think. And I think there's gonna be better cards to include an ongoing, especially with like what? You're gonna play dumb dumb over here instead of playing Goliath. Get the hell outta here. Like, you know what I mean? It's not gonna happen. You're gonna have Goliath in the deck, you're gonna have Moonstone in the deck, the deck's gonna build itself and dumb dumb ain't gonna be in there.

Cozy Snap: 44:48

Dumb do's the free card of the month. Yeah, I think he's fine for Spectrum, but yeah, he's definitely the free, like, oh, you didn't get Goliath. We have Goliath at home. You know, like that that,'cause you know, he has what, two separate potential spectrum. So. Okay. You know? All right, I see, I see the vision. And he is theoretically pretty easy to get to a two five. I think he's okay, dude, I don't, I don't think he's that bad. I think he's actually pretty good. I'm gonna give him like a three.

Alexander Coccia: 45:11

Okay. So I'm two U three. I.

Cozy Snap: 45:13

Yeah,

Alexander Coccia: 45:13

I feel like you dumbs gonna be the card of the month, basically. I see. This is what's gonna happen. Dumb dumbs gonna break the matter.

Cozy Snap: 45:18

Five star for dub dub. Now speaking of I don't, I was gonna say, speaking of dumb dumbs, that was a, that's an Alex, coach. Coach a transition right there. Good god. We're trying to hold it together. Let's talk about the OTA before we close things here for the new season. But you rankings, but Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Okay. Let's rank the cars. Alex, top to bottom. I got my ranks ready. Starting with the best, best of the month is what

Alexander Coccia: 45:38

number one Goliath. Agreed. Number two. I, dude, I didn't know what to do these. I went back and forth on them. I'm gonna take a risk. I'm gonna say Hydra. Stompers too. Yo. Holy shit.

Cozy Snap: 45:51

Okay. I like it. I thought you were debating between strange. I'm gonna go Catholic Carter too.

Alexander Coccia: 45:55

Captain Carter to No Way. Okay. For me, three. Oh, strange. Strange thing. Captain. Yeah, strange thing, captain. Okay, that makes more sense. I thought you were higher on Strange. Here's the problem

Cozy Snap: 46:04

though, bro, is that season's, the pass cards, they always overdeliver. Every time we rank'em low, they're always like the best card of the month. So it's like I could just see us being burned here, clip it right now. But yeah, it's strange. Then Captain Carter and you have Hydra too, and then you have Captain after that.

Alexander Coccia: 46:18

So the way I have it is Goliath Hydro Stomper Strange Supreme Agent Carter. And then next I have Kori.

Cozy Snap: 46:26

Khors. Next I'm gonna go, Ooh, yo. This is a fun one to rank Khor. Next, I'm gonna go. Yeah. Kho. Yeah. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. And

Alexander Coccia: 46:36

then Infinity Ultron. Dumb dumb.

Cozy Snap: 46:38

I think dumb dumb That Infinity Ultron.

Alexander Coccia: 46:40

What? Infinity Ultron gets loses to dumb dumb. I'm just kidding, bro.

Cozy Snap: 46:45

I mean, what? He's a two think, just think about this though real quick. We loved lizards so much. We freaked out about him'cause he is a two five for so long. Dumb, dumb is a very easy two five.

Alexander Coccia: 46:54

Dumb. Dumb sucks.

Cozy Snap: 46:55

He does suck. I'm just trying to talk off dumb dumb. I'm trying to get him, I'm trying to pump up him. Yeah, I I think we, we pretty much agree completely except hydro stomper. I would have below Carter and you would have it above. Strange, which is awesome. That's,

Alexander Coccia: 47:08

man, this is one of those things though I get really nervous'cause like I'm kind of going out on a limb here. Like, I don't think other people are gonna see hydros stopper as being an absolute banger. I just, I just think it's gonna be really good. You need to open, I see the numbers.

Cozy Snap: 47:18

Reach out to me and you need to open up your, your hydro Stomper video with the, Alex was deadass wrong. Intro like I did for the, the Huling.

Alexander Coccia: 47:27

I know. You know what though? This will be like the next card that people never forgive me for when I miss on. Oh, this will, like the next two years will be, remember when Alex said hydros stopper was gonna be good,

Cozy Snap: 47:36

or you like you the prophet? I have that to look forward to. Or you're the chosen one man. You're the prophet. Listen, interesting season. We're gonna have to see a lot of a lot play out to see where it ultimately lands. Alex, let's go ahead. Let's talk briefly about the OTA. You know, obviously we had galata. We had Iron Patriot, who I quoted I think two months ago was like, I think one of the best cars to come out. I'm telling you, I think I thought that car was cracked. It was my play style. So I loved it even more. Evidently it got hit with the nerve for a little bit. How much were those changes to you? How much do you think those impacted it?

Alexander Coccia: 48:07

You know what? I think they did the right thing with Iron Patriot because if they took power off it, it has the opposite effect of what Gladiator did. Like that power is a very important iron patriot'cause the whole effect based is based off him being able to compete in the location. And so that power is so much more critical. So if they dropped into a two two, I think that card would've felt significantly worse. It'll been much more reliant on cards like Rocket and Groot, which is a serious five card that people are still in the process of collecting. And so as a result, changing it to the negative three buff for the, the card that from negative four, like the cost reduction, I think was probably the best thing they could have done with it. Did it have to get Nerf though? Probably I think this was probably the best thing they could have done.

Cozy Snap: 48:51

It was so plug and played. Yeah. I mean, it opened up the discussion about the season passcodes, the stuff we talked about. Speaking of stuff we talked about Alex Kocha nailing it like a profit soar on two two. Did it resurrect Sherry Sohan?

Alexander Coccia: 49:03

It absolutely did. Yeah, dude, I was about to say you're, I was playing this side. It's like crazy. Like you're seeing the serer shell being used in Sauron right now and it's legit amongst the highest win rate cards in the game right now. It was so fun and it actually made me nervous. I'm like, are they gonna Nerf something in the shell now? Like they just buff Sauron. It's Sauron on Sauron. I'm not sure it's going in two one. We keep saying it differently. We will figure it out one of these days, keeping it at two. But like, I'm like, man, are they gonna Nerf it now?

Cozy Snap: 49:28

They said they were experimenting with it. They did say that they typically keep it when they say that, but yeah, this could, this could go down. It definitely helped out the main, core identity problems you know, of the deck in general. So it was cool to see this card go up, hype, you know, just crazy in value. And then we had small bump up the ghost writer and, and, and it was the, the end bump up. It was the other bump up.

Alexander Coccia: 49:48

I'm drawing a blank. I can't remember. Pixie, pixie got the other b pixie. That okay, that one sucked. Don't, don't gimme that. I'm too pl giving a pixie plus one. That was a, you guys forgot about pixie buff. That is a, that's not even a buff. You wanna buff, pixie, give it the low key treatment, making it a world drop. Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 50:03

It's crazy how there's sometimes a card gets plus one and we're like, wow. Makes a big difference. And there's other times it's like, it's just not gonna do anything like. It's just not gonna make a massive difference for the card. But altogether, guys, fun season to look forward to. A lot to really just gonna be fun, you know, highlighting these cars each week and, and what we see out of it.

Alexander Coccia: 50:19

Cozy. We got so much to talk about today. We have like, okay, these seasons, there's, there's just more cards every single season. So I feel like these discussions go longer and longer each time, which is a great thing'cause I like talking to one of my best friends. But we're gonna get started with the season pass card. Of Aga Moto Cozy. We both came in at Five Stars, a piece with Aga Moto, and there's some interesting things to talk about here statistically. And in terms of the pure vibes of Aga Moto, what are your thoughts?

Cozy Snap: 50:46

Aga? No, I I think, man, it's such a fun card. Like, it, it's such, it, it's got that going for, you know, we just talked about infinity Ultron on my side, right? So it's like. Were you talking about how that's almost just like a fun card and this one is fun, but can work, you know, way more consistent? I like the card though. I think five. Did we rank at the highest of the month too?

Alexander Coccia: 51:07

Yes. Both of us, or actually last month, our rankings were identical. I can just read'em right now. We had the exact same rankings. Okay. We did Amimoto, fire, hair Star Brand, Esan, Concho, ghost Rider. Where was our ordering? Just off the top here, but, so yeah, we put Amimoto number one.

Cozy Snap: 51:24

Ah. I think I like gag Moto man. I think OG Moto has got, has got a, has got some, some chops to it in the future as well. What, what about you?

Alexander Coccia: 51:35

I think people think he's better than he is. I think that the I. The different effects are disproportionately, like they're not nearly the same power. The winds of tuum are wildly cracked. It's the primary reason why you play aga Moto. Yeah, you hopely. That's where his win rate comes from. I think the temporal manipulation drawn to his hand probably isn't good enough, despite the fact that it, it's good in of itself. And images of I icon, despite being good, takes a little bit more setup and it's a little too expensive. So. I feel like it feels like a four star card, but it's actually performing closer to a two and a half or a three star card.'cause you're looking at a win rate that's been fluctuating between 49 and 50% on any given day. Cozy.

Cozy Snap: 52:19

Yeah, it's got a low and even more. It's su, I mean, it's pretty popular. I, again, I think it is. The Infinity Ultra more competitive version. It's meant to be a fun card. And I think when we saw it in actuality, I mean we, what we've talked about this, I think the last week, where it's just like adding to the deck in general in a 12 card game is tough. Point blank. Yeah. And not only is there counters to that, but then you're, you're really having to stall things out. We think, I think we both thought it was gonna be a a bit more of like just a good card, I think. What do they call'em? Value cards. Like where you could just like plug it in with other value cards and then there you go. But funny enough, like the Good cards deck, obviously Iron Patriot. Made one again. But those have become less and less as we've evolved through Snap'cause the Snap team is focused on getting rid of those more and more. But yeah, you know, I'm glad that they didn't just like outright, you know, get rid of wind of two or at least make it way worse.'cause there is that RG factor. It's kind of snap conditions, but overall I think it'll adjust better when it comes to how it's gonna perform in the meta. But yeah, it's, it's not a five star car.

Alexander Coccia: 53:23

Cozy. You nailed it on the No, you hit the nail on the head. Right. It's been so long since we've said that.'cause the top performing shell of Amoda runs a 54% win rate and it runs King Eat Tree. That's the only non-G good card and the rest are just straight up good cards, including galata, gwenpool, chs you know, copycat, et cetera. And it's like the dec dilution is a huge component of what makes Aga Moto have a bit of a difficult time. And also you don't know, you know, what effect you're gonna draw. You don't know what they're playing, so you can't really. Consistently rely on AKA Moto. And I found the five 13 power to be significant, especially since you draw into that. But apparently statistically it's not quite performing.

Cozy Snap: 54:03

If this were to have the, the spells go in the hand, it's the best card in the game. I mean, like, that's how big of a difference there is. Okay? Maybe not the best card in the game, but it's like the, the level of value it goes up if it were to add those spells right to your hand. It's just like night and day. So anytime you dilute the deck, it's just tough. And you know, hope hoping for better days for Omo.

Alexander Coccia: 54:21

Absolutely. And I do think the card will age well because it has a lot of dials. You have multiple physical cards that you can change, right? And so there there's gonna be opportunities for'em to tweak Akimoto. I think the tricky part for it though is do, I don't If they buff it, I think people will lose their mic's. They think they, it feels better than it really is. I bet you seconders in a tricky spot. Next up is Eson. Eson for us. We came in pretty low. We came in at threes. Both of us gave it three stars. It's running a 47% win rate at a 10% popularity, which is quite low. And that's a 30 day average, infinite only. One of the key challenges here is that late in the kue experimental stage. It was realized and figured out that the second and third stages of chu can be pulled by Eson. And so now there's like, as we're recording, that is only beginning to get cooked. Yeah. So like, I want to put a little asterisk here that Eson, if it can be found to have a cook with Concho, it raises both of them.'cause it's actually a really insane interaction.

Cozy Snap: 55:19

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you got the corvus clay to get the energy, so then you've got it to be played early. Like it's the perfect, it's the perfect thing to happen. I think it's so clever and fun. It's, I think we nailed it on Al though, mainly like he, I think he came out a little hotter than we thought he might, but then as things have adjusted, we said it was gonna be a very good ATRI card and it was gonna be okay in ramp and like, that's about where it's settled. But to be fair, so many cards come out. It has the, the future ahead of it. I think it's a cool card. I think it's a very fun card. I think I would give it better than a three though, but not by a lot.

Alexander Coccia: 55:52

No, it, honestly, it probably is a three. I mean, we're looking at a 47% win rate right now, and it's some top stats, so there's some variability in that. But also like the khor decks, which are gonna be focusing on hand gen. And they might want esan and Esan might be a good closer in a deck like that. Right.'cause you're going, we be working with a lot of created cards. Maybe a Victoria hand, Esan, Khor starts to see some play and then all of a sudden it's, it's a relevant piece. Right. It's kind of sad that like the effect. I don't wanna say that like it's ran random enough that it can be added to like in fit the altron. Right? But it's like, I wonder about like how many hoops you gotta jump through to make Eson legitimately play. Is it good enough just to play him on turn six right in the con deck? It seems like it might be because if you've discarded con at least once, then he just pulls down the concho who then pulls down someone else, which is kind of interesting, but he just feels like you're jumped through a lot of hoops for a six 10 that might pull something decent. And

Cozy Snap: 56:48

rum is like settled into his role now. A bit more of what he is gonna be, obviously like Lokey getting changed, you know, perhaps some new sparks and flames to it. But yeah, we'll see how E Nissan adjusts, but there are cards that can help it in the future.

Alexander Coccia: 57:00

Yeah, absolutely. And talking about cards that could help it in the future. Sometimes all you need is a little bit of buff and star brand. Okay. Was actually like the card I was most excited for the entire month because I was like so excited to play Sour on again. It's an archetype that I was sorely missing from the game and Star brand. I rated a four. You also agreed, we both gave a fours and it underperformed. I remember our review, we were both kind of sad about it. We, we were discussing it on the Snapchat and even when I was testing it, I saw its potential, but it was awkward in the fact that Saron and Star Brandand occupied the same slot. And so Star Brandand was being used as a turn six closer, where, you know, before you used to do like a task master. NY MA now it was Star brand plus something else. So you're running Za in that deck and you're trying all this different stuff. It just, it created this really weird archetype that fell like a shell of its former self. And then as we have so predicted cozy. Saron gets brought down to a two two, and suddenly the card completely changes and it's Star brand did not get Buff Cozy Saron did. The card went from like a what? A 48% win rate It's currently running over the last, well, I guess, few days since the patch, 53.2% win rate, 53.2%. That is a massive change because of Saron.

Cozy Snap: 58:20

Can you imagine if taskmaster stayed the same too? I mean that deck would be just flying. I feel like, I mean it, it adds its own own identity now. But yeah, I agree. That was the main thing. Just we talked about it with move, how there's a lot of cars and condition at that three cost slot. So Soar and being three was the main problem there. Which just trying to set things up and now this just makes it all the much easier'cause it affects the hand on the deck and it was just the perfect change, especially for Star brand within the month, for the month. I mean that's like that you would've thought they, you know, I, I think they wanted to see. How it did and then they would do it, you know, like we're getting, sometimes we get pro, you know, proactive changes to a card and then the new card comes out and we're like, oh, that's why they did it. And sometimes the new card comes out, then they do the OTA to fix. That was the case here and we've already talked about it. I mean so on is we'll see if it even lasts'cause it's that good at least right now. So but yeah, star brand ends up unfortunately though coming, the buff coming a little late.'cause then people that now are loving the so on change. You know, they'll have to wait for Snapbacks.

Alexander Coccia: 59:20

I know that is one of the, the challenges of, of the buff happening as soon as the card leaves the o the, the, the collection track, the spotlight Cash is one might say so. Yeah, that's absolutely huge. But it's also a very good note of saying that like, sometimes it's hard to evaluate cards in a vacuum because Star brand itself. That's a huge swing in terms of win rate and it had nothing to do with Star brand. Yeah, it was the archetype, the decks being plated, the supporting cards that got changed. It's like trying to evaluate Devil Dinosaur for to come out. Now, do you evaluate Devil Dinosaur or are you evaluating the Shield Archetype? I. And that's kind of the similar thing, what happened there. So Star brand, we gave a fours, it did underperform that four status, but it definitely feels like it's back there now. Now that Saron has been buffed and that Saron deck as of recording by the way, 59% win rate on 1500 games, untapped 59%, and that's post infinite according to the untapped most recent patch, which is insane. The next card, this is a card that goes by many names. Forehand forehead. Fire, hair, fire hand. It's come to the point, cozy. I see people call it fire hand all the time and it doesn't, I don't even blink. It doesn't even phase me'cause her hand is on fire. I gotta tell you the art, her hand's on fire, her hair looks totally fine. Fire hair, cozy. We came in hot. We both came in at fives. We actually broke our rule. We gave multiple fives here. And we're looking at a card that from release is running a 46% win rate. Cozy. I'm in pain looking at fire here.

Cozy Snap: 1:00:53

Yeah, but I also don't care. Ajax had a bad one. What was it? Misery had a bad it's because you're cooking, you're playing with fire. That's what these mill decks like to do. That's where it is out a lot. It took a little bit of time. It took like. A lot of fire to figure out what truly sticks and, and obviously that was some of the Thor synergy we saw, you know, destroy actually likes it. Even in Thanos, it's not doing bad. So like, I think it is a car that performs fine and it has the world ahead of it because of what it's done. So I'm not, I'm not, I don't give a damn about the stats on fire. I think it's still a good card.

Alexander Coccia: 1:01:28

I was gonna say the exact same thing. This is not cope like I'm not coping. It's not like, oh, Alex cozy ourselves, this car, high rating and they're coping, whatever. No, I think that if you rolled on that week, which was still an insane week anyways, then you got a car that's gonna age like literal fine wine. This is gonna be the cosier of, of like, of, of fine beverages. Like this card is going to eat so beautifully. Oak Barrel aged. This is gonna be, so you heard it here, man. This car's gonna be an absolute beauty. And even just in the next coming, not this month, but potentially the month after we got some data, mines of like Kid Omega and elixir and cars that are gonna be directly synergistic with this destroy a card coming in and et cetera. So fire hair is gonna be immediately getting some support. In the next few months and already you're starting to see some cooks come out. Now you're right, you called the Thanos one. The Thanos misery shell is really interesting. I thought it was really awesome. It, it's very fun to play and fire hair has a definite role in that deck. It's a very good tech support piece there. So anyways, I wouldn't worry too much if you got it because you're gonna be happy you have it because there's gonna come a point in time where you're gonna be very glad the fire hair is in your collection. Going to the next card. This is one of the more recent ones here, and it's K Chew. K Chew was one that we were particularly excited for. The first of all, the design's. Brilliant. Let's be honest. Design's brilliant, but cozy. How did it land for you? Okay,

Cozy Snap: 1:02:51

so I, you gave it a three, right? And the recent ratings, you gave it a three. I love ksu. I think KSU is everything I want in Marvel. Snap. I think it's fun. I think it's now obviously the E Nissan thing, you got that cooking and stuff, but I think it did what I wanted it to do with the Pinnable. Discard brought that back a little bit. Got a little bit of the, the, the hella sizzle, I think is just more of A-I-I-I-I, I like it in the role that I thought it was gonna play. It's a hella popular card. It's crazy how popular Concho is. Amongst, at least from what I've seen. I like it. I think it's fine. I think it fits the archetype rate. I think it's a fun card to experiment with and I just, damn well think it's one of the more enjoyable cards to play this season, especially I.

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:31

Beautifully well designed. I think it's a sound of fun as well. Yeah. I came in at three, you came in at four. It's running a 49% win rate and that's not great. But also a lot of cooking happening and it is sometimes the most recent card, like we don't have enough data on'cause it is the one just that just released. And I would expect this to improve over time. What I found very interesting, cozy mm-hmm. Was at the top performing decks. Four Concho are literally dependable. Discard it.

Cozy Snap: 1:03:57

Yeah. The no boards, there's

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:59

no Ironman in them.

Cozy Snap: 1:04:00

The the win rates through the roof. I knew this would happen to remember, I was like, all the cute stuff was gonna be like the testing week. People were gonna do Ironman Silver semi. I knew it was gonna come down. To discard doing what it does best. Just good old, dependable, discard, doing its thing. The hella win rate, I think is the only thing hurting this thing on the stat department. I think if people just played dependable, this thing would be like mid fifties, not mid maybe. Like yeah.'cause the dependable

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:23

version's running a 56% win rate. That's correct. It's cube rates on the 0.23 side, which is kind of on the low side, but like it's, it is good. Like you can't argue it. And I think the thing that, like I realized. Was, yes, I liked hitting Silver Samurai into Gore and stuff like that. Those stuff like fun, those popoffs were really nice. It was awesome. But like just bringing back like a 12 power choline wing that hits the scorn again, that then hits, that gets hit by the Dracula and it's like a 12 power whatever, like all that stuff is, is just fine too. You know what I mean? Like getting a massive gambit coming back for another swing when you bring'em back. All that stuff is just fine, because it's just pure stats. And the thing I appreciated about Kaci was the. The, the, the way the text was written was it goes into another location, so you could somewhat control you 50 50, the location by, well, if I play Concho, it's gonna be going into those one, one other two. So you had this really balanced attack of power, so it was legitimately 24 power spread. It was never gonna fall into your own location. So you had this element of control of where the power went, which I appreciated.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:26

You gotta watch the, the show, man. It's worth your time. I'm telling you. It's, it's, it's a good one.

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:31

We're still making our way through the the Daredevil series, sir.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:34

And it's gonna be, I know I 2027 is when you're gonna be done with that, but I do, when, when 2028 hits, you should definitely watch it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:41

So, while I was streaming, I mentioned this. So one of my absolute favorite, favorite comics that I absolutely love is the only myself left to conquer Kang series. It's like the reason why I love Kang. If you have not read those, you have to cozy. They are awesome.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:57

Awesome. I need to, and in

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:58

them. I don't mean this to be a spoiler. It's a very minor thing and I, I hope I'm not spoiling anything for anybody but in them moon night's there except moon night and I said this on street, I was like, you're wrong, whatever. And then we got fact checked. I was right. Vindicated Moon Knight was voa Rensselaer. And I was like, Hmm, that was kind of cool in the comics, she was r and I mean, Kang tends to find R everywhere, and I think that's one of the challenges of the character. Right. But but I, I, I am really interested in seeing the moon night and maybe, maybe it's the next one we go through. Is it, is it similar to Daredevil? Like is it a little more grounded down to earth or is it a little more. Sci-fi?

Cozy Snap: 1:06:33

Both. I, I think it's a solo series, which is nice. And I think that you, I think your wife will enjoy it if she likes I don't know what she watched. I know like she's like a love is blind, kinda, but if she likes Daredevil as she, I think she would like this. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:46

Okay. That's good to know. Cozy and Tomo Discard the first Ghost rider. This card is the one that was obviously free. You in high voltage. If you were free to play, you unlocked it like approximately on the Tuesday, right? Because it came, it was so weird. They released the high voltage on the Friday, which was such a strange day to release it on. And then by Tuesday you almost had an unlock for ksu. I was like one or two refreshes away. This card's not performing good. Cozy. This card died

Cozy Snap: 1:07:13

when the goblin theory died with it. The negative I know edition. The goblin

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:17

theory, that's like the book. The book Cozy ISS writing.

Cozy Snap: 1:07:21

Yeah, dude, this car sucks. I mean, it just doesn't even make the final cut. Unfortunately. Now will it have a time? I don't know. It's got potentially texts that could age fine, but I don't think I just, it's, it's too hyper competitive, man. I think, I think it's like, because you discard the, like it's got hits that can work off of, but I think it needs a higher power base to even get it worth the risk of running it over just certified value.

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:48

It's like it feels overcooked. Yeah. Like the text is like needlessly complex. It's like we don't, what are we even doing at this point? Yeah, and you're right, there's already a 44% win rate man. Like that is awful. That's so bad. It's so bad. And this was a card, was it not two six before. Yeah. And they brought it down to two five. It kind of breaks the whole theory of like, maybe they're, they're always like, you know. Buffing the cards that are broken or the bad cards. I don't know. They nerfed this card and it came out Dog water. So that kind of breaks that up a little bit. But I mean, at the end of the day, cozy, what would you say to our final rankings of Animoto Fire, hair star brand, Esan Concho, ghost Rider?

Cozy Snap: 1:08:26

Who do we have as? Who do you have as one?

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:28

You know what? I am willing to, it feels like, it feels like Aga Moto is near one. I think it's, but I bet you with the change to Sauron Star brand's probably gonna end up being the best.

Cozy Snap: 1:08:38

I think I'm gonna go Alto one.

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:40

Yeah. Yeah, I do. At the end of the day, I think Ghost Rider being at the bottom's. Correct. I think KSU probably needs to slide up. I don't know man, I, I like when we talk about all these cards, they all have, I feel like they have bright features like Emoto I feel is good. Fire hair has a great future Star brand is great. Now that the Buff happened, Esan I think is very combo centric and still has potential K shoe. I think we're still figuring it out, like these are all cards that are still good except for Rider. This is is a tough one to rank.

Cozy Snap: 1:09:06

Yeah. Yeah. This is a tough one to rank. I would've concho. It is like, can't you in the, in the role that he's played, I like better than, than a lot of these firebrand firebrand fire. There's another, there's another name, there's another name for it. Fire hand, fire hair has just great potential in the future. So I'm gonna have that one go close to the top as well. It, you're right, man. I think this is one of the tougher ones to rank just because of how they all play their roles in the decks that they're in.

Alexander Coccia: 1:09:32

Absolutely. And cozy. We gotta take a moment here to talk about the new card acquisition model. Of Marvel Snap, and that is the SNAP packs cozy. It's a major upgrade to the card acquisition model. This has been something that's been a pain point for the longest time for players and I'm so happy that this Marvel SNAP team at second dinner has legitimately taken a lot of feedback from the community and recognized that the card acquisition model was something that had to be improved, not only for the future health of the game. But to potentially bring some players back. We have catchup mechanics involved. We have a new form of kind of you know, card release schedule and et cetera. And let's just quickly go through a couple of the main points here. Now, first of all, when is this gonna be coming out? They're aiming for April 29th or June 3rd. Now what you'll note is that those are like months separated, right? Like those are, it's either the most recent patch coming or the patch after that. And that's fine. Like honestly, if they are going to be releasing on June 3rd, if they need the extra time to refine some of the bugs, which man, there are so many bugs in Snap right now. I don't know what's going on. Take the time, get it right. That's no problem. You know, and that's all good. But let's talk about some of the quick overview stuff here. I'm gonna read this directly from the blog. Okay. And I'll also provide a link. To the blog down in the description below, but right off the top here there's gonna be a dedicated card shop where you'll find the card packs. Each card pack will guarantee one unknown card with no duplicates and have due bonus rewards. The bonus rewards can be additional cards, it can be variants, cosmetics, or currencies like tokens, boosters, or credits. It sounds like there's gonna be odds depending on it, so it's like kinda like a grab bag. Of different goodies. You get one unowned card for sure, and then you know, a percentage chance of of goodies, variants and stuff like that. You're gonna have spotlight cards and rotatable pinnable cards just like you have today. So I guess there's gonna be like a card you can pin. If you wanna spend tokens on it directly, the login bonuses will now be tokens, not credits. Now I don't know if that'll be specific, like that makes it sound to me like they're taking the credits out. They're adding the tokens in. It won't be like, if you won't have the option of both. It's not both. Get tokens.

Cozy Snap: 1:11:44

Yeah. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:11:45

Then there's gonna have token packs where you can purchase tokens right from the shop using gold. And I think the idea of this new system cozy, as they did mention that they want you know, returning players who have missed multiple seasons to have an opportunity to catch up and we'll discuss the individual packs in a second. New players will be able to, you know, use packs to. Pick up on cars that they're trying to isolate to build their, the decks they're trying to build. And then obviously the veteran players will be able to you know, not waste rewards or their progress stuff by getting dupes and stuff like that, which was absolutely huge. With regards to each of the individual packs you have the new series five pack, which is gonna include all the series fee five cards from the current season. One prior season. So I, the way I read that, and again, we're short on some details, like this is kind of like an overview blog. We don't have the details yet. That sounds like you have a chance to roll whatever's in this current season, plus the prior season. Yeah. And that's it. What it sounds

Cozy Snap: 1:12:41

like. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:42

And then new series four packs, which includes all series four cards from the current and previous two seasons. That makes it sound like they might be releasing more series four cards. In the future, which is worth noting, and also keeps into account two prior seasons. And then finally you'll have the collector's packs, which will have series three, four, and five cards. And these will be the older cards that don't meet the metrics of the prior two packs. They're designed for catching up and they'll have cards that are unique. Not include the cards from the upper two packs. For the, like for instance, the series five will be the prior to the prior month. The series four will be the prior two months. If that sounded confusing at all. That's because there's a lot to it, cozy. What are your thoughts?

Cozy Snap: 1:13:26

Yeah, first of all, I wanna shout out a Reddit user. Their name is Zero Skills Samis. First of all, great melee name. I'm gonna get that. Alex, you need to put this graphic up the entire time you were talking there. Hopefully you'll see this in post editing guys,'cause this graphic, I think at least gives you like a way to visualize what we're talking about here. And does a great job just like converting like literally tokens to spotlight keys right now. What is gonna fall in which pack? I the great step in the like, like this is cool. There's a lot of, there's so much to break down here, right? Like, you know, first of all, there's so many friends I had in the past two years that just wanted to pick up snap and throw a bunch of money at it and get the cards. It's like they couldn't do that right. Without weird stuff going on. So like, that opens up some of this. I will say like, started with the only con in traditional secondary fashions. Like they had to make this as confusing as possible. Like, I just wish, I wish just like. I thi this was one of the few things, like sometimes they give creators stuff in advance to see and we like get to see it a couple days early or whatever. They didn't give us that, like they just said it was coming, you know, get ready for it. And I wish they would've,'cause then it would've given us time to like understand better and then make, you know, content on it to be their marketers for them or whatever like we've done in the past. So I do that, that, you know, that's a bummer.'cause I do wish, you know, there was a bit more clarification on it and I wish there was pricing on. Specific pricing that is like such a key detail, such a, just like a, of course, protect your ass detail that they have in there, you know, that they don't want to have in it.'cause it would help us really nail down the specifics. And I think it's what's holding back people going cuckoo for Coco puffs. I think if they had the specific pricing and we could do the math, we'd be like, oh yeah. Right. But it's still really cool and fascinating and exciting direction. The no dupes thing is a huge win. Not playing the freaking roulette wheel that is the spotlight keys all the time is cool. They're releasing way more new cards though, so there's gonna be like, there's just, there's just a lot to take in from that blog post. And this, that photo that you have up.

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:24

I think that there's a couple things worth talking about. The first thing is obviously everything hinges on the cost, right? They're changing it so that instead of spotlight caches or spotlight keys, sorry, you're gonna be getting 3000 tokens. So tokens are gonna be like the core currency of the experience. If you're not unlocking enough tokens, even through the collector's track, then suddenly the system does not work, right? So that's number one. The cost is gonna be very important. I feel like they didn't include the cost because I think, Hey, listen, I probably done the same. Send this out, get the feeler, see what people say. I don't think they know what the cost is yet. Yeah, I think they're trying to decide what the cost is yet, and so as a result, everything hinges on the cost. That is the most obvious thing. If it's set to be too expensive, then we're right up the creek again. They can't miss that, right? There's no way they have to start at a reasonable price that allows people to, to progress. And the second thing, and this is what makes me actually nervous, cozy, and you kind of did hint at it, is they did hint in their messaging that they're planning on releasing more cards. And I think that's part of the series four discussion that they said, like the series, like they're clearly gonna be releasing series four cards. However, if they're releasing more cards, does that just reinstitute the, the hamster wheel of. Oh, well you still gotta spend a fortune to get all the stuff. Like I understand getting all this stuff is not necessarily supposed to be feasible, free to play. Like I think that's like the money hook, that's the business side of it. But if we want cat cardiac to be improved. Hopefully the targeting's improved. Hopefully the manner at which you're able to collect the tokens and translate those into cards that you want, getting rid of the gotcha mechanics is great, but if you're getting more cards, but there's just more cards to get and there's still holes in your collection all the time, are we just kind of looping back to plan a again? You know what I mean?

Cozy Snap: 1:17:11

Yeah. Right. Because then you're still like hoping to get, you know, if there's 10 Dooo cards, you want Alga Moto. It's like, you know, how is that gonna work? I wanna say I, I'm actually thoroughly like, I don't, I. I don't think I, we've given enough like this is gonna be cool. Like I'm excited for this, for the game massively. And I think this is probably gonna be a big dubs. I, I'm putting it out there. We've had our pess, you know, pessimist behaviors with some stuff. I think this is cool. Step in the right direction. It's not spotlight keys. Thank God. You know, you got all that going for it. You can target cards. You're not gonna have the es. Hell yeah. The custom snap. Stuff is insanely cool. So if you wanna be a destroyed player in the future, it looks like they're gonna be doing like a destroyed kind of custom deck potentially, or a even content creator stuff, which is awesome. In fact, that was mentioned as something that they might wanna do a long time ago. So it's cool to see that even coming into existence now. All that's such a freaking dub. It just comes down to the numbers. Daily login tokens. What does that look like? What is that? How many times do you have to log in, open up a pack to get a free card? I think that makes a lot of sense. I, this is their shot. They're not gonna get another one. They're not period point blank. If people come back for this, which they will, which is a dub, they can't miss on it, right? Because they're, they're not gonna be like, you know, okay, hold on. Card monetization 4.0.'cause this is like 3.0 at this point, right? And so I, I think they're crunching the numbers still, but there is some, I I, I wish we had a better look into those numbers, but that's why, dude, this isn't coming out till like. January, whatever, not January, pretty much June. Right. I mean that gives'em a lot of leeway.

Alexander Coccia: 1:18:46

They did mention that the featured weekly cards are gonna be less expensive than the current six k. Yeah. Which would be, which would indicate that like the new release that you're after is gonna be less expensive and therefore it's gonna be easier to keep up with some of the, the cars. It's just a question of how many cars are they actually releasing at any given time. Like, I don't know. But you're right. This is an absolutely huge win. And also. They have to knock it outta the park because Marvel snap's numbers have been going down. But don't kid yourself, like if you're one of those pessimistic self-loathing like Marvel SNAP players, I think this game's dying. You're the only one propping it up. I. There's tons of people that play this game. Tons. It's still one of the most successful you know, collectible car games on the app stores. There's a massive, massive casual audience. There's a massive active audience, hardcore audience. There's tons of people playing this game, and if they can, one of the main problems is, is that with Marvel Snap, there is this idea. This common perception that the game is insanely expensive, the progression's hostile to players and the monetization sucks. The card acquisition sucks. If they can change that, allow the word of mouth to kind of move and prosper. Allow people who are a little behind or took a little break, allow them an opportunity to catch up. Suck them in with crazy bundles of like, yo. Like, come back and play some snap. We'll give you 12,000. I don't care. Yeah, put a number on, a massive amount of to, you're gonna get to open three free packs of series five. I don't care. Get people back in the door. Make the system work. Make them love the game again.'cause everyone agrees it's the best playing CCG on the planet. It's everything else that turns them away. Don't make this, turn them away.

Cozy Snap: 1:20:25

I think I, I, I, I have faith that they won't, I do. There's things that don't have faith in them in, and this one I do though. I think that they're gonna do great here. That's the hope. You know, wish we had the numbers. I think, I think the math is keep your keys. It just depends on the numbers, but it's like, keep your keys.'cause you get to target a card, a key's not what, 3000 tokens. And so you get that every a hundred something levels. So. We're gonna have to like really map it out. It's like getting a lot of information without getting all the specifics. And some of those specifics are pretty important, so we're gonna have to hold out for that. But in general, no dupes pre-selected stuff and just more, you know, autonomy to play what you wanna play is a, is a big dubs, especially in the game like Snap.

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:04

So, it's funny you say this because we're gonna have to revisit this obviously once we get the additional information, probably closer to the release. Mm-hmm. But for years they've said, Hey. We hear you. That was, it is been the meme for a long time. We hear you. Well finally they actually listened. Yeah. And I, listen, I'm not a game dev, but I know that developing games is hard and this type of stuff took, takes a lot of work and it takes a lot of testing. And it's also difficult from a business perspective for them'cause like they have to get the numbers right.'cause then they make it too cheap. Ya ain't gonna be able to make it more expensive without looking like an absolute clown. Right? So you can always, you can always start a little high and bring it down low. So I think what they're trying to figure out is what is the right number? But also I think they're also incentivized to make sure they do get it right. If they whiff on this cozy, they're, they're, they're putting the nail in their own coffin. They're literally drilling their caskets shut from the inside because they need to get this right and only them can get it. Right. Right. And so, I do have faith, like you said, this is a team that's incredibly talented. Like the game speaks for itself. They just, we just need to be bringing people back into the ecosystem.

Cozy Snap: 1:22:11

Yeah. One last note I'll say too is like, them releasing more cars can be a little scary for a lot of reasons. Yeah. But I have a lot of faith in Glen, in the balance team that it won't be a lot of just fodder. Like, man, that guy cares deeply about. This game and they even, I mean they showed that through OTA, so like a lot of people are like dooming it a bit about like, oh my gosh, that there's like three, you know, horrible cards and then you went to one. I just feel like, like we haven't had that in Snap right now, if that's what it turns into. Then Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben. Yeah. Wow. That was our first like true like meme card. Pretty much landmine. Yeah. But outside of that, I guess we don't get a lot of fodder cards. And that's why they decided two years to release a bin. Like, you know what I mean? It's like they knew. And so I, I have big faith in it that if anything, it's just gonna like, make it even more fun.'cause you have way more cards to work with. Archetypes to make decks to pop off. You could target the ones you want. I don't think it, it, it should be less about having all the cards and more about now playing what you wanna play. So I, there's just a lot of. Good. That can happen from this, and I think it is, man. I'm excited.

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:14

The only thing is though, and I'll tell you, is that releasing more cards than a Marvel Snap, like that's not a problem. The game has. I think the card cadence and the release schedule is actually pretty good. I don't think releasing a bunch of series four cards is actually necessarily beneficial to the game. If anything, sometimes I wonder about this cozy. This game doesn't really give its decks time to breathe. Like sometimes I almost wish we had a week where nothing got released and I got to just play like classic surfer and I didn't have to worry about like all the metas changing again. Like let me just play my surfer, dammit. And so there's enough happening and the game does feel like it's shifting enough. Even the OTAs and the patches, like the game and the meta is constantly shifting. I don't think having to incorporate and release more cards was actually a solution we needed. We need to fix the card acquisition. Just don't, don't turn it into a hamster wheel by releasing all these series four fodder cards that end up filling the the, the, the packs with trash. But then again, the other packs are gonna be only series five, which will guarantee non-dues. So if you don't want the fodder, you just don't buy those, those packs. Right. I guess that's the plan, right?

Cozy Snap: 1:24:20

Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, it. Like this is gonna be a big overhaul to the game and the UI and the way it works. And the, our weekly schedule, the Snapchat even like, it's gonna affect like the whole game in its entirety. So we're gonna have to see how this kind of huddle like ends up and hopefully we continue to get more and more information as we get closer. Not just like hold out till the release date.

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:43

Absolutely and cozy. I think that's gonna bring us to our Snapchat mailbag there. And again, we'll revisit this conversation when we get more information regarding pricing and stuff like that. But for the Snapchat mailbag, sir, we got a couple questions that I thought were absolutely hilarious, and we start with one from Kdu 17, which said, Hey, fellas, serious question for you. Do you think Wonger and SHS would get longers?

Cozy Snap: 1:25:07

I hate you and

Alexander Coccia: 1:25:08

I hate him. First of all, canonically. They do get along. Have you not seen Wonger in? Come on man. Wonger is Iners the movie Sean. Cheese in it. Come on man.

Cozy Snap: 1:25:19

I'll never forget the comment I got on one of mine is like when, when you were talking about G Man for like 20 minutes and I had a commented like it took him the whole episode. Figure out who GM A was. But yes won. Ger and gers, man, if I had my window open, people would be like, what is this guy talking about for a living? You know? But great. It was an, it is a great question.

Alexander Coccia: 1:25:41

That's a great question. Yeah. But for the recorders and wonger do get alongs, most certainly. If you have not seen Shachi, it's actually one of the absolute best movies in the mc. How good is Shachi? Honestly,

Cozy Snap: 1:25:52

it is. It's really good. I, I always say, I think it starts out as a 10 out of 10. It ends up like a seven out of 10, but it's really good. Like the ending's a little crazy, but it's a really good movie. It's probably the strongest. In the new ones that have been out.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:04

Yeah. My, for obviously a lot of people talk about the bus scene. I like the scene when he is like running through that apartment building. He's fighting like his former sensei. I, I thought.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:13

Anyways,

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:13

that whole movie's awesome. I

Cozy Snap: 1:26:15

absolutely don't. It reminded me of rush hour. Did you ever watch those growing up? Jack Shannon? It was like

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:18

Chris Tucker.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:19

Yeah. Yeah. Man, man, you're bringing me back in time, dude. I remember Chris Tucker rush shower's in. An incredible movie, movies one, two, and three. Fantastic. Jackie Chen. That's right. There's like tons of them. It, it, it reminded me a bit of that, like, just like the, the stunt coordinations and like when they're on the, the, the scaffolding and stuff, like all of it was just like really reminiscent of that.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:40

It's like, you know what, that whole era of movies you had like rush hour, you had like Lethal Weapon a filter fish, right? Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:46

Oh yeah. For sure.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:48

Dude, it is too

Cozy Snap: 1:26:49

good. Too good.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:50

Question number two comes from averaged data. Enjoyer. I'm glad you enjoy data, sir. Marvel Snap has so many great details, like the logo of the cards, names that even Cozy uses them in his rivals videos. What are those details in Snap that you like the most? For the person who wrote it in, they said that they like the animation of misery's tentacles. When you place the card, it's so uncomfortable and it fits the card. Well,

Cozy Snap: 1:27:15

I think I've done a lot of adverts. And one thing a lot of adverts love for you to say is the art style in their game. And, and the it's breath, it is like the same line. And most of the time it's like, I say it anyway'cause I agree. It's like, oh, it's pretty cool. But I've never had a game live up to, I think Marvel Snap. But it lacks in marketing. Sorry. But what it lacks there, it just. Dominates in its art style and like, feel like it, they, it's just so perfectly done that I don't think anything has matched that. It, it's every little bit about the locations and the subtle animations and the card animations, the art, the variance like that is just unmatched.

Alexander Coccia: 1:28:01

When you play other games or when I play other games, I find myself noticing that the art is not as responsive. Like even small things like, oh buddy, you hover, shocker. And that effect is so good. I know you've probably not played shocker the longest time. It's awesome. Absolutely awesome effect. And even like the big banger ones, like the Galactus animations and the high Evos and the even the Thanos are is pretty cool. One thing I will say that kind of came to my mind with this question was, you know, what's a detail that's like missed massively? And I can't believe, I never thought of it till like I saw this question. Card backs are not animated. Those card backs should be animated, like honestly, like second dinner. If you ever have an opportunity to go back and animate the card backs, like do it, I don't know how much work goes into it, but it's one card back. It looks like it's way more work to animate every single variant in the game. Whoever's doing that, it looks like they have this unbelievable treadmill of work in front of them. The card backs can't be that much harder. Why aren't the card backs animated, man?

Cozy Snap: 1:29:02

Doesn't it make perfect sense? Yeah, it does. I think agree that, and like we, we've already got the Game Boy thing a little bit, you know, so combining those two, it's like, man, it's just a thing of beauty.

Alexander Coccia: 1:29:11

Our next question comes from Dark Angel. It reads, Hey Alex, if you're looking to get into another Marvel TV show with some more street level heroes, definitely watch the first season of Jessica Jones. The character is great, but the villain is just amazing, especially if you or your wife is a fan of David Tenets run in Dr. Who. I have no idea who David Tens is, but have you seen Yes, Jessica Jones?

Cozy Snap: 1:29:33

Yeah, it's fantastic. There. There are so many things you've missed that I would put above that, but the first season of Jessica Jones was amazing. Like really good. Okay,

Alexander Coccia: 1:29:42

man. Listen, we, we just finished season one of Daredevil. We're starting season two. We're in like the Punisher phase of season two right now. Ooh. And like, it's pretty cool. It's also like way more violent than I expected. I'm like, this was not. This ain't your your dad's Marvel show. No, I'm glad the kids weren't watching that. Like I'm like, whoa, bud. Like, yeah, it's kind of crazy. So we're working our way through. But you know what, as I said, dude, this is amazing. My wife's actually watching you with me. I'm not forcing her. She's enjoying it. You guys called it. And the last question of the day comes from Ed five and it reads, I love the Snapchat. Are there cards you wish were better based on being more powerful in the comics than they are in Snap? A good example, in their opinion is the Fantastic Four. I'm really hoping that we can get a new version of the Fantastic Four in Snap as the current ones are lacking compared to their comic strength and power. Who comes to mind for you? Cozy. There's an easy one for me, it's Kang Kang. It's Kang like. Come on. Like that's the obvious layup answer. Kang is like I just finished saying that. One of my favorite comics ever. Is Kang only myself left to conquer and he is garbage in style. I cope, I play Kang. If people are like, buddy, he's coping, I am coping. Damnit like, just get, give this guy something.

Cozy Snap: 1:30:55

Yeah, it is gotta be Kang Scarlet Witch too is my number two. I think Scarlet Witch could always, always be way, way, way better. And just like regular og strange, it's criminal help. Like useless give his sorry ass effect to somebody else. Like, it's fine, it does its job. But like I wanted, I, I want strange to have like such more meaningful role in Snap. I.

Alexander Coccia: 1:31:15

What? You know what Scarlet Witch should do? It should be Ccy, except it changes every card on the opponent's side, every card on your side and every location. Oh my God. Well, you don't like that. I still

Cozy Snap: 1:31:27

love the banish. You get locations in your hand, you get two of'em, random ones, you can play'em, and they banish and they turn it into the location.

Alexander Coccia: 1:31:33

It's actually a nice idea too. Yes. I'm bad. There's so many ideas. Cozy. Listen, we have left a lot on the plate for second dinner. Get the card acquisition right. We're excited for snap packs, animate the card backs and we'll see you on the next one.

Cozy Snap: 1:31:46

And until the next one guys, happy, snapping.