Thaddeus Ross: Does He Suck? | New Game Mode Sanctum Showdown | Iron Patriot & Joaquin Torres Falcon II In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 119

Will Thaddeus Ross suck? What is coming with the new game mode? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on Iron Patriot & Joaquin Torres Falcon II? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome and Today's Topics
• 1:36 The Best Moment In Life
• 4:39 Alex's Topics
• 5:01 Thaddeus Ross
• 15:03 New Game Mode with 3 New Cards
• 43:46 Card Mastery
• 46:27 Dog Meat Commander Deck
• 48:15 Sam Wilson
• 53:50 Joaquin Torres Falcon II
• 1:00:50 Cards That Need to Drop in Series
• 1:18:19 The Snap Chat Mailbag
• 1:26:04 Outro

Transcript

Cozy Snap: 0:00

What's going on guys and welcome back to another episode of the snapchat today. We're going to be talking about the brand new card that is Thunderbolt Ross. Does he suck? Yes, he does. But the good news is we have a brand new game mode coming in. It's sanctum showdown. That's going to bring three brand new cards. Two Marvel snap and card masteries on the way. So we have a lot to talk about today. And we're going to talk about all that today. More on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I am joined by the one, the only Mr. Alex Kocha and Alex, if I sound any different, my mic of five years has died. It has fallen. It was the last piece of tech. From the old days, got a brand new one coming in, but we got something temporary for right now, and it's also the day after the Super Bowl, we usually record on Sundays, and we would probably know the results, but it is Saturday today, and so we don't know who won congratulations to the Chiefs getting their three peat, or and, or Eagles getting their second, and the city of Philadelphia up in Philadelphia. Flames, Alex, how are you doing today, buddy?

Alexander Coccia: 0:58

I'm doing good, I'm doing good. I like how your temporary mic is SM7B, like literally a god tier mic that is renowned across the industry. But no, not for Cozy Snap. It ain't good enough for Cozy Snap, damn it. Gotta get your custom mic. I, you know what, I gotta tell you, you sound fantastic, you look fantastic. The color's coming back to your skin after the last few weeks of you battling pretty much every illness known to man. It's good to see Cozy back.

Cozy Snap: 1:20

Thank you, man. I appreciate it. And it's it's the end, man. It's the end of football season and it's the beginning of well, not the beginning of a new Marvel snap season. That was last week, but certainly a beginning of what they've been saying, the new era, we've got some cool things to talk about today, guys, new location and all got a little Superbowl story for you. So there, I don't know about you, but in life, right? Do you ever you're across a moment and you're somewhere and you think to yourself, like, I'll never be here again. I need to appreciate like where I'm at. Like, do you have any of those to pull from that you can remember of like a place in a time that you're like, I'll never be at this exact moment again.

Alexander Coccia: 1:55

In that club with Lugwood, again, XQC in San Diego.

Cozy Snap: 2:01

That's not a bad answer, man. That's not a bad answer. It's something I try to think of it all the time, right? Like when I was getting married, right? Or whatever, just like trying to do like snapshots in my head of like, wow, I'll never be able to experience something like this again. So long story short, my grandfather was the previous He owned the company that did the licensing for all apparel for the NFL. This was back in like the, the 60s, 70s. You know, my dad went to every single Super Bowl and I didn't process how insanely rare it is to go to a Super Bowl and just experience the crazy chaos of what it is. So long story short, I got to go to my first Super Bowl and it happened to be the Falcons versus the Patriots. Super Bowl 51, which arguably is, in my opinion, okay, I'm a Patriots fan, but the best Super Bowl of all time. There's gotta be someone that's a Falcons fan out there. I'm 28 3, I'm sorry. You're still thinking about it. Greatest comeback of all time. But I got to be able to experience that and the Rams won and it's, dude, going to the city, the game's amazing. Very corporate y. There's not as many fans as you would think that get to go there. It's a very corporate thing. But the city that hosted it, dude, it's like a, it's like the Olympics, man. It's so, it's so cool to be able to go and experience that. And so if it's ever, I dunno, in Buffalo, which it won't be, I think it's only in, in, in hot States you got to check it out or if anyone listening you're near New Orleans or the next city, I think has maybe Las Vegas. I don't know. Got to go check out Superbowl, you know, the city game, the Superbowl school stuff.

Alexander Coccia: 3:33

That reminds me of, like, my experience at Formula One in Montreal, I guess. I think that's the closest I can get to a similar experience. Where it's like, my buddy lived in Montreal because he was going to McGill, which is like, the university there. And so we stayed on the cheap, we were there, we bought, like, the cheapest tickets available for Formula One, which were still like 280 or something, which at the time was like, so much for us. And like, the whole city was crazy. And it was like, Like legit, like Ferraris in the streets or like the richest dudes were just driving around doing doughnuts and stuff. I was like, what is happening here? You know, it was just, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. It was it was a neat experience. It's like, yeah, the race was cool, but the city was alive in a way that like I'd never seen before. And Montreal as a whole is like the Vegas of Canada.

Cozy Snap: 4:11

Formula one is something that you have to be there in person to appreciate just how insanely cool it is. Like, you know, you see NASCAR or whatever. Or even f1 on tv and you're like cool, you know fast cars when you're there, dude And you can feel the car in your body as it goes by like it's great It's a very cool environment for sure. But all right guys. Well, we have a lot to talk about today We're gonna be talking about four new cards today, which is crazy. Some of them are Not exactly home run hits, but I'll be excited to talk about him and we got a lot to talk about on Alex's side. Alex, enlighten us. What are we talking about?

Alexander Coccia: 4:42

We're talking about Sam Wilson and Joaquin Torres Falcon. We're giving our reviews. We'll also be talking about cards that need to drop in series. They discuss a series drops from becoming sooner and bigger than ever before. And Hey, we're about that time where it should be coming up. Sometime in the near future, we'll be discussing some cards and then as always, our Snapchat mailbag.

Cozy Snap: 5:01

Alrighty, buddy. Well, let's go in and start this thing off with probably, usually the new card is the most exciting thing to talk about of the week, but we've got some other things, probably a bit more exciting, but we've got to talk about them. The one, the only Thaddeus Thunderbolts Ross. What a name, you know, that he says his full name when he introduces himself. To a lady at the bar every single time ttr for short now We thought potentially before the trailer came out that we were going to see maybe a little bit of a buff up in this Guy, maybe something was a bit off here. We weren't sure. Nope. It is exactly as advertised as we thought That is TTR. It's going to be a two cost, two power card. When your opponent ends a turn with unspent energy, draw a card with 10 or more power. So Alex, we gave some of our unfiltered takes last week on this guy. What are we thinking of TTR?

Alexander Coccia: 5:53

I see like. Two star potential, like a one and a half, two star potential range. Obviously card draw can be incredibly powerful in Marvel snap. And I don't want to like discredit him because I think that like, when I was trying to kind of pen and paper some decks obviously surger is a major component of where I think TTR is going to be. But it, and it actually has space in the two slots to kind of fit them. Like it does not feel like a, like a reach to just throw them into that kind of deck. Right. But at the same time, it's like this effect feels strong, but I do not like the fact that your opponent is in control of it. And of course it has to be on the board on turn two, when they are actually floating the energy to take advantage of it. You know, I'm, I'm not a big fan of it. I can see this card being the 15th card in every 12 card deck.

Cozy Snap: 6:37

Doesn't even make the next cut. Yeah, I think I said on the preview a two two and I'll give him a two and that sounds about right even less than that. It's even hard giving him a two a little bit too, right? Like I almost want to give him a one. Just because of ultimately his narrow design, where he's going to fit. And then even in those decks, does he even want to belong there? Right? Like there's some examples we have of that. Let's say in discard, maybe something like meek for a long time, obviously now makes it a little bit better. Cause we have, you know, a bullseye and whatnot, but back then it's like meek didn't even want to be in the niche deck that he was in. And that made him a bad card for a while. This is kind of the same feelings I have from TTR over here. And I'm just not. Thoroughly impressed. I do like his pose. I think he looks very menacing. He reminds me of have you seen Inside Out? Fantastic. Pixar movie before.

Alexander Coccia: 7:25

Yeah, I have actually. I know it's a good one.

Cozy Snap: 7:27

Yeah, yeah, and so there's the the best part of that movie is when they go to the parents and there's like the, in the mind of the parents and the dad, you know, asks the, the kid to do something and she, you know, yell at him and she's like, he's like, initiating put the foot down and it like, they have like a special nuke button for putting the foot down that looks like a dad putting the foot down right there, man, with the the presence of TTR. Do you think that this guy is, has any room to surprise us?

Alexander Coccia: 7:55

You know what? Potentially. There's a chance that he can do something in Erishim. If you think about the size of the deck with Erishim, he provides some consistency there, but obviously you're less likely to draw him. Right. However, with the new version of Erishim, you have basically the first two turns where essentially like. Yeah, you're going to want to play a one or two because obviously you don't have that that existing extra energy. And so if you float and then you draw something with 10 power on that turn three, you're more likely to be able to play something of significant power because you have the extra energy. Right. So I was thinking about Arishom, I'm like, ah, could it work? But Arishom decks, I think have been pretty strong and we've talked about this a number of times. Like I'm actually not a huge fan of where Arishom is because of the fact that like, he's, I feel like his identity is kind of you know, just muddied compared to what it used to be, but ultimately like. It's like trying to talk about, you know like toxin and try to say, Oh, I'm going to put toxin in this shell and this shell. It's like, well, no, it's going to be a bounce card and Thaddeus Thunder Ross is going to be a chonky boy card. It's going to go in searcher decks. It potentially is going to go in Airsham decks. Don't try and force it in surfer decks or whatever, which obviously is literally an impossible synergy, but I'm just saying don't force it. Let it do what it's designed to do. And even then I'm not sold.

Cozy Snap: 9:04

You're not going to run TTR with your Surtur and your Silver Surfer decks to get the 10 power cards out, get Surtur up there. Come on, man, Alex. I thought you'd be and also usually, you know, this guy, I've got like two bullet points on. And last week I brought up Aarishem. I'm like, all right, this is going to be my bullet point. Got some things to talk about. And then here it is, Alex, just ripping right out with the Aarishem take. So I am, I'm left just naked and alone over here. No, I do think Aarishem is a decent spot for him. I mean, we'll talk about a new card coming out that. Is going to counter Arishem even more, even though yeah, I think you put it right. It's almost like some of these designs were made when Arishem was where he was at, and now that he's taken back a little bit, feels a little bit off of the timing for these cards. So, yeah, potentially Arishem, and then with that, you also got, obviously, the Scar, and then the 10 plus power decks. Now, I think I talked about last time, I do like the idea that he does. Get better over time in the sense of there's gonna be more 10 power cards that come out Okay, you can make those work his animation's sick. I don't know if you saw the the trailer It's like a like a payload coming in from a helicopter of your 10 power card pretty cool stuff there yeah, I think what I I think what we talked about last time is if they made this guy a one cost I really like him because he just works with the flow of the deck extremely well He's not I would probably make space for him for a one cost because I, I feel like he just would play better and you have a much more accurate of a shot for the opponent not to use their energy. Maybe on turn one, you immediately get that 10 draw and it just feels good right by turn two. You wouldn't think one turn difference is a big deal, but it is there's just so many things I can fit that role fit that spot. So it's hard for me to like it I know we talked about last time that you know, obviously the play of being able to get him down with some zabu action zabu within him is cool and certainly that three card line two card line Could work out, but I think it's just, that's just another card. It takes too much away from the core deck. And it's what we said last week is it's a 12 car deck game. And sometimes there's designs that are hindered by that. And to me, TTR is that.

Alexander Coccia: 11:08

Yeah, exactly. Like if you're playing Magic or Lorkana or like any card game with a larger deck, right? Like even Commander runs 100 cards, right? Like, yeah, you throw Thunderbolt Ross in there, right? But like, in a game like Marvel Snap where the decks are so tight and each card has to really pull its weight. That's really what makes Marvel Snap decks so effective. It's like each individual play is so impactful. And TTR doesn't do that. And with regards to him being a one cost, that is interesting, but I still think to some degree, he's still kind of, you still have, you still want to draw into him, right? So you're going to want to hope to draw into him early because he's a, not a dead play on turn six, but he effectively is useless on turn six. And if you think about another point, 2 2 is a terrible stat line. Like, cards are not surviving at 2 2. Jeff's a 2 3 and doesn't see play right now. To put it in perspective, right? There's been so much power creep as we discussed last week at the two slot. Why would you play a 2 2 with limited upside? So it really has to pull its weight. That's why I'm with you. I'm surprised that it didn't get nerfed. And I think that Glenn has been traditionally very hesitant with card draw. Like, I totally respect that. But at the same time, like, this card's not exciting at all.

Cozy Snap: 12:19

Yeah, I mean, if we look at the other 2 2s, you have Carnage, a massive setup card, Dagger that infinitely goes higher, Dazzler goes much higher, Forge is setting up, you know, Forge has infinite plug and play ability and sets setup plays. You know, you have Goose that enables at least strategy and, and, and, honestly, Goose isn't a tremendously great card, but at least it's a fair comparison to Thunderbolt. Goose could go to a 2 3. Hasmat, we already know the insane synergy and power flip that you can do with that. Loki's doing his whole shtick that he does. Master Mold at least is having a pretty powerful effect immediately against the opponent. But Deuce is going to a 2 5. There's actually a lot of 2 2s. Mirage is giving you another card. You're getting 2 4 out of synergy. Mojo goes up. Psylocke's ramping. Ravonna's in. There's a lot of 2 2s, but they all do something. That I feel is much stronger than what Thunderbolt Ross is giving us. And that's what's, that's what's interesting. Now, maybe it feels good to play. We've been there before. We've been there before. But I think this one is one we can feel pretty safe at saying. We don't love the idea from you know, if we do go to just 10 power and up, right, as my game lags behind here we'll go here to 10 power, anything that sticks out where it's like, man, drawing this early is going to be pretty dang cool.

Alexander Coccia: 13:35

Hulk Iwould say for Evo because it's going to take advantage of the floated energy early and it's going to like get prox, right? So like, I would definitely think Hulk to some degree, she Hulk as well, but I don't like, I was looking at this. I was trying to make an Evo deck. It's funny. I actually think Evo with the new the new buff to Luna snow might actually be better than people think it is. I was testing it. I'm like, huh. Either, everyone I'm playing against is a bot, or this deck's actually not bad. So that's a, that's another video for another day. But I would say definitely the Hulk. She hulks in there as well. I don't know if I, I run like Infernaut technically in those decks, but you could technically run Infernaut in those types of decks as well. But you start to run out of space for your activators early on. Yeah, I would say Evo's potentially a place, but I think Surge is the most natural.

Cozy Snap: 14:16

Yeah, we said what, Hela, you know, whatever. I mean, kind of like it works in there, but then you're kind of limiting what you What you need to do. It just, you're replacing a line with a line, right? Like you're replacing, let's say, a two cost discard or another, anything, any other type of role in that deck with TTR. And I don't hate hybrid decks. I think they can work sometimes. But like, when you have something like Hella, it's typically an all in, right? And making that one thing work really well and, and so yeah, as, as it said best, he is solving a problem that we don't really have at the moment and that's the overall expectation of TTR, so with other cards coming out, it is a recommended pass for us, at least right now, we might be eating our words, but who knows, time will tell, let's move on, shall we, to more important More exciting things Alex.

Alexander Coccia: 15:08

I would love to move on sir.

Cozy Snap: 15:09

We said last week. We said last week. Hey, you know I hope that the trailer doesn't have anything of significant value that we would miss and Lo and behold they decided to drop not only a brand new game mode, but three new cards Which is I would say on a level of importance that we missed So today we're gonna break down all those all the new cards here starting out with Laufey Alex, and Laufey is a Frost Giant who is a 4 cost, 5 power card and interesting ability of on reveal, you will steal 1 power from each other card here when you play him down. Definitely interesting, and before we get into any talk on him, immediate star rating?

Alexander Coccia: 15:57

Oh, we're doing star ratings for the free cards? Of course we are. Oh man, I was not prepared for this.

Cozy Snap: 16:02

It's okay. I wasn't either. I don't have them down, but let's do a quick. It's like three and a half, four, man. I, I think this is the best card of the three that we're going to talk about. I can, I can confidently say that. I think one's better. You think one's better. I, okay. That is uncle Ben. No. So I, I feel, I feel like. This guy's being slept on a little bit. So first of all, he's gonna be stealing. So we know that that always counts for two power typically, right? He's stealing from your lane and the opponent's lane to build himself up Which you know, there is some potential synergy there Obviously, we've got tremendous synergy with the clear cut Ajax Who's gonna like this guy because you're having power being taken from your cards and their cars Ajax goes up so theoretically, you know him and Ajax in separate lanes. It's kind of cool. Builds up two big power cards and then also Diamondback, who we just talked about. Diamondback's a huge winner from this guy. If you plan on getting Diamondback, this is the card you want to target. We're going to talk about the, the new game mode here in just a moment. To understand how to even get these guys. But there's a couple other synergies people are thinking about. Now, I want you guys to understand. Stealing the power means if there's just two cards on your opponent's side, not your side, but just your opponent's side, you're getting a 4 9.

Alexander Coccia: 17:19

Yeah, no, it's, it's awesome. Like, if, let's say you're against a zoo player, and they're zooing into an Ant Man location, and you play Laufey down, like, that's huge value. Like, it's actually pretty impressive what you can do. It reminds me of a, it's basically Cracked Out Rocket and Groot that can't move. Right?

Cozy Snap: 17:36

Yeah. So, I mean, if we look at other, if we look at other cards that are 4 9, 4 10, we were just going, you know, we're saying Ares is so good at that 4 12, this guy's got the potential to be with one card of 4 7, two card of 4 9. 411 or 13. That's really good. The awkward thing is you'd have to play them late to get that 413 or even 411, but a 49 with not a lot of play and then also synergize, or even the 411 that can happen a good amount of the time. That's huge. That's a good. Way to play him. Plus he's got other synergy on top of that with the other cards. That's why I think he might be a winner.

Alexander Coccia: 18:11

Yeah. And you'd have to consider as well, like with Zabu, he comes down to three. A card like this would probably not be able to be released with the old classic ongoing Zabu, because you'd guarantee a three power three cost. Sorry. But yeah, like this card is really interesting and it's, it's, it's also weird because we need to talk about Luke Cage, obviously, because Luke Cage as this catchall for affliction, it starts to feel a little awkward in weeks like this. Where it's like, with Diamondback, people just run Luke Cage, they just take whatever deck they're playing, and they just cut a card and add Luke Cage, and they just continue playing, and it completely douses the effect of every new card that's coming out with Affliction, and Laufey's gonna be the same way, and it makes me wonder though, there also is a synergy though, because, You could play on top of your cards, let's say Laufey is you know, gets hit by Zabu, he's a three cost. You can play him on top of your cards, steal the power from your own cards, and then also play Luke Cage, and like, top your cards back up to standard, and Laufey would have stolen the power, right? So, I guess that's a cool interaction, but like, Luke Cage occupies this very weird space in this game that like, I, it must weigh on Glenn's conscience when releasing new cards.

Cozy Snap: 19:15

I don't think he's as bad, I mean like, We always say, well, you can just play Shang Chi, you can just play Luke Cage. But the reality is people don't. I mean, like, there's only 12 cards, people are not taking that in there. And it doesn't happen a lot where it's like, I have a surfer deck, I'm gonna throw in Cage in there. Sometimes, but I, yes and no. I think, you know, obviously release valves are important. And that's what makes some of these, like, overpowered. To your point, I think it's important to address, Luke Cage does have synergy with him. Pretty good. I mean, you can get Laufey here to crazy numbers. You have to play Luke cage. Second. That's the most important thing. If Luke is on the board first, you're not able to steal that power from your own cards in the first place. So that is some important consideration there. Luke does want to be played with the majority of the cards as well. For the most part, that are going to synergize with him. So you also have that synergy. But this is, I've got a secret sauce that people aren't thinking about. With this guy. So I have him at three and a half. But this, the, I would put him at a four if this deck works out. Can you even take a guess what I'm going to say?

Alexander Coccia: 20:18

No, I have no idea. I'm like trying to think.

Cozy Snap: 20:20

I'm proud of this. So I think there's a shot a shot. Okay, dude, I even forgot where this guy is because he's so

Alexander Coccia: 20:29

he's trying to find Agatha. Oh, nevermind. Annihilist. Oh, this is a cook. I like this.

Cozy Snap: 20:34

So you can steal from your own rocks or zero power cards or whatever on your side. Make them in the Annihilus frame, or one po right, anything, right? You can make it work where Annihilus already wants to be with some of these kind of weird decks. You could also like, let's say you have the Void down. You know, you could play, you know, him to steal even more, and then send those over. I think there's some cool synergy for a card that has been virtually gone, Viper got her buff. There's some synergy here that could work with a four or five play to get the maximum results out of Laufey.

Alexander Coccia: 21:13

I like this. This is a really cool call and you're right. Because in my notes here, I have like junk cards, like debris and the goblins will like Laufey as well. And those are things that work really well with Annihilus, right? Then you can even have, I don't know, you could cope with Selene. You could even think about. This is neat, because let's say you have like rocks there and stuff like that. You can play Laufey on the rocks, you can Annihilus, and then you could consider like, if Laufey's sitting there, you could even, hmm I don't know if he'd ever be worth hitting with Cersei though. I was just thinking, would you ever want to hit him with Cersei? Probably not, because once you steal the energy, I think his stats are high enough, right? No,

Cozy Snap: 21:47

but you could have Cersei in that build, right? Because then you have that either or thing that you do with the Void sometimes, and Void just got Sentry Void just got a little buff up too. Like, I, honestly, I think this whole little picture might be able to come together. It, there's a, there's a shot that it can work all together. And think about it, man. Stealing the power from your opponent, gaining the power on your side, then sending them over. That's a obvious lane winning play, right?

Alexander Coccia: 22:09

It's also on curve. Because on turn three you Debris, turn four you Laufey, or you Sentry, turn five you Annihilus. Yep.

Cozy Snap: 22:16

I, I, I think that, that's awesome. Thank you, man. My, my thing is, Is I feel like that is what can make him up to a four and why he's probably my favorite. But I have one other too and I, this one's a bit more obvious than Annihilus. But I feel like two, you know, I don't even need to pull up the card I was going to pull up. I'll pull up another one here. I think that this could be a really good thing for High Evo. I, the way that he's played with Abomination makes me excited. Because of that Affliction style all at once. Feels like he should be a good addition to that as well.

Alexander Coccia: 22:53

You know what you just really reminded me of that the thing is a four six

Cozy Snap: 22:57

exactly

Alexander Coccia: 22:58

how oh my god Yeah,

Cozy Snap: 22:59

it is a what are

Alexander Coccia: 23:00

we doing?

Cozy Snap: 23:01

I know dude. It's so funny, man I was actually so we just got that tremendous fantastic for trailer. Don't know how we did. Did you see that? Please tell me so I watched

Alexander Coccia: 23:08

it I watched it cuz my kids watched it too and they thought it was they have no idea who the face is so good

Cozy Snap: 23:13

Well, I mean as they shown it, I mean, there's only two movies that really I mean, the Fantastic Four has been done dirty for the past two decades, and man, I don't, I've got high expectations, dude. The way the CGI was on the thing, they nailed the thing's personality down so well on that, and Looks awesome, yeah. Oh, the era, I think, I'm, I'm pumped for it, man. Really, I am. And Galactus, you know what's cool about this, too, that people don't realize, is I'm pretty sure this is a separate world than the 616 MCU world, so I think Galactus is gonna, sorry, I gotta bleep both of those out on the podcast, I think he's going to eat, I think he's gonna eat the world, man, he's gonna be the world eater, I think we might see Galactus, you know, cause typically it's like Galactus shows up and we're like, oh no, he's not gonna do the thing he does, he can't do that, right? What if he did? What if you just ate what I'm

Alexander Coccia: 24:00

hoping for? I'm hoping for a Silver Surfer cameo. The Herald of Galactus.

Cozy Snap: 24:04

Silver would be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think Surfer's in. In fact, people speculated. Really? You know this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the actors announced. So, what I think is What I think is there's a, a part of the trailer where Human Torch is going through the city. Like doing his little flame on. And he's chasing something it looks like. People think that they rendered out the Surfer. So like he's, he's, he's chasing the surfer, but they rented cause they do that in trailers to kind of, you know, keep things you know, behind the curtain or whatever for the first bit. But yeah, I do think the Herald will be there. But what if, what if Galactus just takes a bite of this world like he's eating like a, like a Reese's? Just, right out of it, like an apple.

Alexander Coccia: 24:38

I like how you went Reese's, not apple. But honestly, he seemed kind of small. His shadow seemed kind of small.

Cozy Snap: 24:44

So Galactus can be any size, not any size, but he doesn't have to just be giant. That's not, like, he could be multiple sizes. Maybe we get Squirrel Girl coming in to save the day. Who knows?

Alexander Coccia: 24:55

Who knows? We'd love that. Squirrel Girl's lore is ridiculous. The cameo would be awesome. Like, I love it so much. And also I actually just love Squirrel Girl. I just, I can't get over how awesome her lore is. I just hope they, I just

Cozy Snap: 25:06

hope they do the F4 the right way. Like, people have so much love for the new heroes. And, like, you know, you look at the thing and it's like, who cares? Like, we have the Hulk, but the thing is such a cool character. And so it's Being able to bring all their faults to, to light and then like the pros and the cons and really the, you know, obviously the first family feel and I'm a sucker for like old time with future tech. I think it's such a cool era to cover and so fantastic for doing that. It is awesome. Can't wait. Also, I also love to see that they're you know, obviously in the MC world eventually that we know and love. Council of reads if you guys know a lot of cool stuff coming. Anyway, things sucks at Marvel snap That's where we got From all this you have something to say

Alexander Coccia: 25:44

one thing. I will say about the movie though That's really exciting too. And I try to celebrate this with my kids I was showing my kids and like they weren't as impressed. It's for anyone that has kids I often talk about what the superpowers are of the hero. So i'll ask my like my kids I'll say what's what's iron man's superpower and they'll say he can fly. He's got his suit. He can shoot blasts. I'm like no He's smart He studied at school. He's a genius. What's Thanos superpower? You might not realize that he also has genius level intellect. What's Mr. Fantas Mr. Fantastic's superpower, right? I like talking about how, like, intelligence is a superpower. And so, like, that's just something I lean into with my kids. I just thought I'd share that.

Cozy Snap: 26:20

I love that. I'm always like, I'm the opposite. I'm like, Hulk's big and strong, right, son? I should probably talk about the brain part more. He's two, you know, I just go with the big stuff for now. But yeah, it is cool, man, that a lot of the really the biggest baddest heroes are just the smart ones man, like the super smart ones you know, dr. Strange even but anyway, thing sucks. Not a great hero I think laufey really even highlights that even more You now have a four six that wants to be in high evo probably more than he does But I think that the Abomination build does have a place, and, and I'm excited. So I, I think this guy, there's more there than that meets the, the eye at first, and potentially Laufey would be the first one that I recommend, not, not TTR, but Laufey would be the first one I recommend to go for.

Alexander Coccia: 27:02

Can I just, can I say something? We, we haven't said in a long time. Yep. If Laufey is good for Abomination, Moon Girl, double up. Let's go.

Cozy Snap: 27:09

There we go. Got it. Hey, thank you. I appreciate that. I, I appreciate you looking out for that. Alright, next up we have Gorgon. Gorgon, Gorgon, guys. He is a 2 cost 3 power card, and he is interesting as his ongoing effect. Your opponent's cards that didn't start in their deck cost 1 more. And I feel like this guy's coming out a little bit late, a little bit on the late side over here, but clearly we've got the Airsham counter. The victoria hand counter the dare I say it agent calls counter take a moment take a take a moment of silence and I also think gorgon in the future will be really good for a draft mode because cards that can create cards Are very strong in draft mode. And he's kind of a location counter But like we talked about with what was that loser's name cobra? Is there a spot is there a spot for gorgon in these decks right like to me? Because of Airsham and the reign of Airsham dying down, this card feels like Mobius and Mobius. When will you put him in a deck?

Alexander Coccia: 28:12

Yep. Exactly. He's not a great release valve. I actually don't think he acts as a good release valve. I think he can be used offensively. We'll discuss that momentarily. I just, before I get into that though, I want to say that I really hope I know this will never happen, but I just want to throw this hope out there that we could get a variant that's a Goron from. Legend of Zelda, because every time I hear Gorgon, I think about Gorons. And so, I don't know why, you know those big rock dudes, the fire rock dudes? Of course I do,

Cozy Snap: 28:38

of course I do. I love

Alexander Coccia: 28:39

those dudes. Yeah, I love to see a variant of that if Nintendo will allow. Very, you know, non litigious you know, company Nintendo. Loves fanfic.

Cozy Snap: 28:47

Yeah, love. Definitely doesn't do DMCA.

Alexander Coccia: 28:50

We'll let you use their IP at willy nilly, however you want, Marvel. No worries. But yeah, I think you're right, dude. I don't think you'll use this card defensively. I think it's purely going to be used offensively.

Cozy Snap: 28:59

Side note on this, I used to talk about both Star Wars and Marvel, if they ever made like a Call of Duty or like a Overwatch style game, it would do good. Rivals came out. And it's not surprising, right? It's a lot, it's a big undertaking. Bro, if nintendo made a card game like snap it would go bonkers. I know they have pokemon What no i'm talking like what you just said zelda. It's like super smash right? Everything under it is under that umbrella Dude, it would be, that game would be a money maker, man. Like, imagine using Like, Lord

Alexander Coccia: 29:25

Kanna, but Nintendo.

Cozy Snap: 29:26

Yeah, imagine using the guy, the Goron, that does the dance from the Ocarina. Yeah. Oh, man. I would love that, man. I forgot that And then, like, the

Alexander Coccia: 29:34

spell cards are songs, and so you can, like, play the Song of Storms.

Cozy Snap: 29:37

I still have those songs built in my memory, man. Just built right into my It's one in my head

Alexander Coccia: 29:42

right now.

Cozy Snap: 29:42

Oh man, all of them. All of them. I could, I could name most of them. Even some of them. I like

Alexander Coccia: 29:46

the accordion sound before. All the guys in like the little, what's it called? Yeah. Yeah. He's just pissed off the world. He has

Cozy Snap: 29:52

the

Alexander Coccia: 29:52

accordion?

Cozy Snap: 29:53

Yeah. And then you go in the past, you go in the future and he's like even more mad. You're like, dude, this guy just never, he never chills. He never, he just never.

Alexander Coccia: 30:01

It's

Cozy Snap: 30:02

a good game. I remember spending

Alexander Coccia: 30:03

like days trying to get the, what was it called? The wedding couple mask.

Cozy Snap: 30:06

Oh yeah. Oh, the the Pikachu mask. Essentially. It looks like a Pikachu. The yellow one. Yeah. Yeah,

Alexander Coccia: 30:12

yeah, absolutely. But I took forever. It sucked. You had to like go through like

Cozy Snap: 30:15

a, like a, this is super off topic. I think Zelda games though are like meant the most to me in my childhood. Almost. I think they were some of the best games to me growing up. Like Ocarina of Majora's Mask. Link to the past, all of it incredible. And I know the lore really well too. Like it's like, it's a very cool universe. It's probably like, Oh man, you got me going anyway. Okay. Should we, should we,

Alexander Coccia: 30:37

everyone our age remembers hitting the water temple for the first time and being like stressed out, you know, remember the water temple? Do I remember the water temple?

Cozy Snap: 30:44

I remember being a kid before strategy books were out and you had to give Jabu Jabu a fish to go in his belly as like young Link. And I, I, it, that took me like. Two weeks to figure out like you had to hear about it through a neighbor through a kid of a neighbor and you're like Oh, that's how like that was the golden age that will never get again a video games where there you couldn't go online and look Stuff up.

Alexander Coccia: 31:06

Yeah, like literally the the schoolyard is like where you'd find out the legitimate strategies to figuring out the water temple So

Cozy Snap: 31:15

good. All right. Yeah, so that was a huge derail on Gorgon and Goron. But yes, so do I think he's coming out late I think he's like Mobius and Mobius The only thing that I see this guy being cool for is you play him down and then you play Black Widow, and you send over the Widows. I think we talked about that like way long ago. That's the only time where I think like, okay, but I still think that's probably gimmicky.

Alexander Coccia: 31:39

I was thinking about what I'm going to do for Gorgon in terms of a deck, and there used to be an attempt. To do Darkhawk and Ronin together, because you almost kind of did the same thing, but they were a little bit mutually exclusive from one another. But Gorgon might just be a card that brings it together. Because if you think about it, the rocks will be more expensive, although they don't generally play the rocks anyway. But you got Master Mold, right? Those Sentinels become more expensive. The Widow's Bite becomes more expensive. And if they're not drawing things, they're also helping the Darkhawk to some degree. So, like, there's a chance that Korg, Rockslide, Master Mold Black Widow, Gorgon, and then, like, literally the Ronin shell with Darkhawk might be legit. The deck, like, we're almost done, the deck right there. Like, the deck kind of writes itself, and I would be very interested to see how that works, because it has the offensive capability, and then as a kind of side hustle, you get the defensive side, too, against the Arishems and everything else. So, that's kind of where I'm going to lean with it.

Cozy Snap: 32:33

There's a shot, yeah, I thought about Master Molds here, I was like, interesting, you know, at least At least Mastermold has some new use case of a card I haven't played in way too long. But so you said there was one card better than Laufey. Was it this guy

Alexander Coccia: 32:46

this one? yeah, I think the reason why is because I'm trying to figure out a like Ronin Darkhawk deck with Moonstone where you could basically like either Ronin or Darkhawk on turn five With Mystique on turn six and if you have Moonstone down on four you can like double dip on the effects I think that could be potentially pretty interesting. I'm trying to figure out like what those lines look like. It's still, I'm still trying to like figure it out again. We, we got hit with these cards right off the, by surprise here. Right. But like, I do think that like this potentially has more offensive capabilities than Laufey is. I just see it having more meta relevance, but not by a long shot. Like, I still think it's like a three and a half four star card. I just like it ever so slightly more than Laufey.

Cozy Snap: 33:29

The only other thing I thought about that you could do with him is you could You could play Spectrum and Moonstone. So, Moonstone, you double it up even more, so you like, you make it even worse for them. But then also mainly Spectrum. It's a 2 body. I like the 2 body. It has a 3 on it. And it's kind of what you're saying. You're able to have the tech card of it. And then you're able to, like, I know for sure if Triple M, Mobius and Mobius was a 2, you would play Spectrum just because you're getting You're just, you're getting now that two body for a little bit extra that feels pretty good and then you have the divvy. You know, that to me feels like it has a shot as well.

Alexander Coccia: 34:05

One thing I'll mention though, I was just thinking about this because I literally just did like a, like a weekly deck guide. And Erishim's not really caring about multiple cards per turn right now. Like, I wonder how much this affects Erishim, because Erishim's playing Doom 2099 packages right now, where it just wants to play one big card after another, and that's kind of the top shell of Erishim. So it might not even really counter that all that much. It'll slow it down. So might want to lead into it offensively more than defensively for sure.

Cozy Snap: 34:29

Yeah, it might slow it down a little bit, but it I think what it does, too, is it allows them to occupy that space more creatively, so they can make more cards that do stuff like Iron Patriot did. And, obviously, this is a big Iron Patriot counter kind of, but, like, it's you know, those effects are so cool, but they've needed something to release Valve in a little bit, and so now we've got that even more so. Obviously, Victoria Hand is going to help him, but it's cool to slow that engine down. Last but not least, this card has been here since the beginning of Snap. Uncle Ben has been around in the datamines. And Uncle Ben is finally releasing into the game. He's a 1 cost, a 2 power card. Alex, on reveal, when this card is destroyed, replace it with Spider Man. Core went out. Core went out for Uncle Ben, getting replaced by Spider Man, a 2 4. Now at the time, when the game came out, Spider Man was a 5 2 or something like that, a 5 3. I know, I know, Alex is taking a, a full minute to shed a tear for Uncle Ben. It's only moments from now until we get an Aunt May, that blows up from Green Goblin. Yeah, I mean, hey, spoilers? Dude, that was on like the old, oh. Yeah, I'm just thinking of the one where I was thinking of the Tobey Maguire one, man.

Alexander Coccia: 35:45

Don't tell them about the Star Wars one. That one always gets people every single time.

Cozy Snap: 35:50

The Darth Vader thing? We can't talk about it. We already had, we had enough user complaints. They got mad at us enough. Listen here. Uncle Ben is, in my opinion, just a worse not a worse, I guess he's just a Bucky Barnes. Again, that Bucky's not being played, Winter Soldier's not being played unless you play in Rivals. I feel like, once upon a time, this card was okay. If you had Spider Man to what he was at a 5 cost. Now, what are we doing?

Alexander Coccia: 36:17

I think they sat down, they're like, alright, we got Uncle Ben. He was literally datamined in the beta. Let's, for memes, not change him. And yes, he's worse than Uatu. Yeah, let's make him a free card.

Cozy Snap: 36:28

We said new era, they told us to pull out all the stops, it's time to release the Kraken, Uncle Ben.

Alexander Coccia: 36:35

So the only coping I did with this is theoretically, theoretically, and even now it doesn't work because it's not even a 3 cost anymore, but what if you had like Silver Surfer with like Nova Killmonger? And you could blow it up and you'd get the Spider Man down with the silver surfer. That could have been cool, but that doesn't even work anymore. So like, what are we even doing? There is a new card that's been datamined called fire here that brings back a destroyed card when it's moved. So then you could double proc on uncle Ben, but why the hell would you do that? So like, I think this is, is this a zero star card? Is this a card that you never, ever play? Seriously?

Cozy Snap: 37:06

I was also thinking like, it's not the first, but it's damn near close of one of the least relevant. Things to come to the game this opens the floodgate to now hit like anything Marvel like almost all these cards We have they got superpowers. They can do things right and then you got Uncle Ben like It's just to me. It's hilarious that this guy's in here I hope there's a game

Alexander Coccia: 37:30

mode. They're going to release like like who they're going to release. You think there's a variant

Cozy Snap: 37:34

that he's dead on the ground? Oh, it's so savage. I mean, I'd buy it. Would you? If you have like, okay, the Tobey Maguire, like holding him.

Alexander Coccia: 37:45

With great power. You want to buy that? Yeah, I have to

Cozy Snap: 37:47

man. He better say that when he dies. Oh, I hope when he dies, he says that.

Alexander Coccia: 37:53

He has to though.

Cozy Snap: 37:54

If they don't, I will, I will, I will make a video complaining. I will like. I'll be like, what are we doing? What are we doing? Alright, let's talk about quickly, guys, let me pull this up here. I'm gonna put better stuff up for everybody else. That's I just thinking

Alexander Coccia: 38:10

like in terms of like opening this up for more Marvel characters, like you're gonna get like Norman Ooz Osborne. Oh yeah. Secretary as a cart.

Cozy Snap: 38:18

The guy in the bus next to Shung Chi in the bus scene. Yeah, like it opens up a can of worms. Alright, all of these cards, Alex, though, are going to be coming from Sanctum Showdown, a brand new game mode, temporary game mode. I hate when they say game mode and it's like, temporary. But, temporary game mode, that'll be coming to Snap, and I think it's pretty damn interesting. We'll talk about the game mode in a second, but the most interesting thing to break down is the rewards that will come from it. By far, the thing we have to highlight, the thing we have to talk about is You have the ability to get not 1, not 2, 4 series 4 or 5 cards just from playing this game mode. This is something we've wanted for so long. The chance to play the game and be rewarded back. Put in the grind if you want the cards for free and you have the chance to get essentially 4 or 5 unowned, big bold word, unowned series 4 or 5 cards. Bro, that's massive.

Alexander Coccia: 39:18

We've never seen anything with the unowned tag on it like that's crazy That's what like we were hoping the like random card on the series spotlight caches was always gonna be the unowned Would they have the technology cozy? It's proof. They can do it. It's here. We can do it Yeah, this is huge. One thing worth mentioning though is just to like temper some expectations Glenn did make a comment where it's like He said, like, it's very unlikely you'd be able to, as a free to play player, unlock everything, right? Like, I think they tried to give you as many options as possible, so you get to, like, pick your pick and choose what you want. But, like, if you're like, I'm gonna get all three new cards. I'm also gonna get four series four and five cards. And I'm gonna get every single border, every single variant. Like, I don't think that's actually possible. Do we know if you can get the

Cozy Snap: 40:01

cards? Like, screw all the Borders and whatever but can you get the can you just get the cards you think

Alexander Coccia: 40:07

I don't want to misquote him But I believe he said it's unlikely But he'd be very happy if someone was able to

Cozy Snap: 40:14

and what the hell are the scrolls? Do we know what those are? I have no idea. I was hoping you knew. No, I don't know I didn't do the enough research what I can't tell you though is there's a bunch of borders you could get werewolf by night jeff And Mr. Sinister emotes that all look fantastic, Baron Zemo, Wong, and Dr. Strange, obviously fittingly are going to be in there as well, so all cool rewards there, and then you can open a portal, it's half the cost to get a new card, by the way, then to get an unknown, about half the cost to get an unknown series 4 or 5 card is kind of what we know as of now, now if you want to know what the game mode is, we don't know a ton, but what we do know is, You are going to be getting points, one point per location, or two points if it's the Sanctum location, and your goal is to get, and this is every single turn, you're going to try to get 16 points in total, in total to win the you're going for 16 points in total to win the game. And so what the snapping mechanic is, is it makes that Sanctum location worth more. And so it's a pretty, it's definitely going to be way different strategy wise, like where to spread out your cards, when to double down to try to get that location you know, to get the most points from it. And there should definitely be a pretty big twist to how the locations are going to play.

Alexander Coccia: 41:25

I was just thinking there's a chance that the scrolls are like the entry tickets, by the way.

Cozy Snap: 41:29

Oh, 100 percent that's what those are. You just know it. Yeah, I was

Alexander Coccia: 41:31

just thinking about that while you were talking. Yeah, there's a lot of rewards and what I really like about it, by the way, this Juice Jeff emote. I feel like it was datamined like, oh, I've always wanted that Juice Jeff and I was so worried that I was going to be like Admittedly, I'm not a guy who finishes many albums. I don't, I don't buy, I have not bought a variant and I have no idea. And so like, I I'm really far behind on that on that note. Secondary, please more 700 gold variant albums, please. That you can unlock through progression. That's exciting. But yeah, like I'm actually really excited for that. They are on the expensive side. They're they're actually more expensive. Then the opening a portal for the new cards, which is kind of crazy, but I'm gonna get that juice. Jeff. I don't care about Uncle Ben. Screw Uncle Ben. Crazy. I know,

Cozy Snap: 42:12

dude. Right? I already know, by the way I'm gonna get Uncle Ben first by opening this damp portal. I'm not getting loud loudy, so later I can feel it. But anyway, yeah. What about the mechanics though? You think the game mode sounds cool?

Alexander Coccia: 42:24

I think it sounds neat. I I'm almost positive they're going to be banning juggernaut and debris because of the way the location stuff works. And it's just like, there'll be mainstays in those decks. Like juggernaut would be way too valuable in a game mode like this, where you have to win a single location to get extra points, but it does sound neat. I liked that they're being creative with the way they're approaching the game. And Yeah, no, this is good stuff. And now what we're starting to see though is we're starting to see a build of all these different game modes where we have high voltage, which I honestly still like you have Deadpool's diner, which had way better rewards the second time around. Did they iron some stuff out? But I still think there's a lot of room for improvement there. They're going to have this as well, where they're going to get a lot of feedback. So I would hope. That every single month, eventually we could have like a rotation of different limited time game modes. I think that having a constant rotation of limited time game modes would be awesome, right? Obviously I'm not a game dev, but once it's made, it's got to be able to go back to the well.

Cozy Snap: 43:15

When they're not like Deadpool's diner, right? Like if this one's a banger, man, it's like, that gives me so much hope because then you have. High voltage, you have this one, and then you add in a couple more into that rotation, and then it's like, oh, cool, man, like, you're pumped for that new one to come out, good rewards to follow it, they now have the expectation set, though, that will, you know, the rewards have to match this, this is too good, you know, obviously not gonna have three new cards every single time, but this is really cool to have something like this coming out but either way, super cool, excited for it, lastly, we'll touch on card mastery not a ton, Broken down about this, but we have seen a couple things and essentially, you know, a couple things to highlight. It is retroactive, so all the work you've done will level up your cards. You'll unlock borders and flares and all this good stuff. Or your favorite variants and cards, which is cool. I think the coolest thing that I saw taken away is that there's a new, like, gold diamond flare if you've, like, mastered a card completely, which is what I've wanted for a long time, to show off, like, You know, I don't know how hard it is to get that, but if you're, like, a balance player to have all diamond, gold, these, what, that, to me, that's really cool, and hopefully that's something they bring to it all, and all of the backgrounds and the borders, they've done a good job. They put a lot of care into it, and they know this is something we've been wanting, and it looks like they delivered pretty good in a few days here.

Alexander Coccia: 44:38

You got to give secondary credit where it's due. This was a mode that they cut for like technical game dev reasons that I honestly would never understand. And they, there was such pushback. There was so much like love for what this game, this little addition to the game was supposed to be that they brought it back. They're like, you know what? We're going to sit down. We're going to figure it out. The players want it. We already went through the pain of canceling it. Right. Let's bring it back. Let's do it. Right. And so like, yeah, I'm sure a lot of actual like effort went into getting this mode, ready to rip, ready to go. And they've done it. And even if it like under delivers on first. Kind of like first release like this is something you can add to constantly you can make easy adjustments to but I don't think they will I think that they've clearly put the effort in and I'm excited for it I really am because I think you mentioned before like in games like smite and heroes of the storm and Dota the more you play heroes you'd get like these level up things and like people you were against and on your team would see Like oh damn Like you've really played this character for 150 hours. Like this, I got to take this guy seriously. You know what I mean? So yeah, I absolutely like that. It I'm, I'm excited to see like where my, like she not stuff ends up like where, like, I'm just interested, like where your Colson's going to be.

Cozy Snap: 45:48

Yeah, dude, exactly. Whenever this first opens up, I'm excited to see kind of like the most played cards where they end up. And yeah, even in rivals, man, when someone has a Lord icon, you're like, okay, respect, like even if it's a bad hero, if they have that, they know how to play them regardless. They know how to play them. And so there's that respect factor. Love to see that come to Marvel snap. So we've got a pretty packed week, man. We got TTR coming. We got the new game mode with three new cards there. You guys have a chance to get up to four new cards you don't have in that game mode. New emote, card mastery, it's a big one and a needed one for Marvel Snap. But also what is needed is a big time series drop.

Alexander Coccia: 46:27

Cozy. I got something really exciting to show you here today. We talked about this. I would say like a month ago on your side of the Snapchat and it took me a while to hunt this bad boy down, but I finally found it. It is the dog meat. Commander deck for for Magic the Gathering. And I've been trying to chase this thing down forever and I couldn't find it. Cause like, listen, I actually really liked playing commander and it was like, man. I really want dog meat, dammit. And I found it. I finally found it. So I'm excited to play some dog meat commander cozy. Next time I'm in San Diego, we're at a PAX or wherever we might be together. We got to pull up the commander decks and have a couple of games.

Cozy Snap: 47:03

I'd be so fun to play commander, dude, like together for sure. I know. Like even when we were at a PAX last time being able to play like. Some rando Star Wars game like it was just a blast like just playing with physical product again. So Commander will be a good time. Always in the hypothetical world that will never exist. I always think about like living close to all the people like I love that are good friends and having like D& D nights and Commander nights. Oh, it'd just be so fun, bud. It's a, it's a world that doesn't exist, but it'd be cool.

Alexander Coccia: 47:32

I know, for me too, like, I actually don't have anybody to play these with, and like, even my wife, I, I try to, like, get her to play games with me and stuff like that, but she's so not interested that it's, like, it's hard to play, right? It's funny, because they say that opposites attract, but my wife and I are, like, totally polar opposites. She does not play video games at all, she does not play board games at all. Right. Like so it's funny cause like, I can't drag her out to like do these types of things. I used to even go to Friday night, magic events and stuff like that, like in nearby kind of cities and stuff like that, but yeah. So, I mean, PAX is a great spot for that. Like, that's actually one of the reasons why I love it. I actually fondly remember us learning how to play Star Wars at at PAX East there, and I even bought a Lorcana set that we were supposed to play. We were so busy though. We need to make time next time we have that opportunity to make sure that we play some games. And you know what? It's hot about making time cozy. I hope you made time to try some Sam Wilson. Sam Wilson was a season pass card that came out in a Marvel snap. And I have to tell you, he's pretty damn good. I gave him a four star. You came in at three and a half to four stars. And overall Sam Wilson is performing well. Statistically, this is including so untapped based statistics, collection level 6, 000 and above ranks 70 to 100. Cause unfortunately it's the first week. So we have to include some boss, big bot based statistics, cubes. 0. 65 at a 60 percent win rate. So he is doing very well. What are your thoughts? Cause

Cozy Snap: 48:51

yeah, man, I liked him in the the ongoing bill. I thought that was fun just to get the caps out there, be able to, to play. I think the spectrum builds and stuff has always been cool, but being able to combine that even with iron lad and Moonstone and have. What was just a really fun deck to play with but also have some crazy power start to build up, as we talked about with, you know Moonstone being able to give her the effect of not being able to be destroyed, like, just, there was a lot of cool things going on with it, and that was probably my favorite part, or place to do it. I had a whole video ready, and then that's when my whole microphone thing went down. But what about you, man?

Alexander Coccia: 49:26

Yeah, I thought he's been really interesting, really good. And I thought that like here and there, like he doesn't feel as good as some of the other season pass cards we've come that have come in the past. But he seems very, he still seems very good. But we've had some like broken season pass cards. He feels like as good as you're gonna get without the risk of nerfing. Like I don't see this card being nerfed in any way, shape, or form, which is nice. You get a little bit of reliability with your purchase.'cause otherwise, if. If you bought like Loki and you want it to play Loki, you can't even play Loki the way you purchased it, right? Like it's a totally different card now, which still shatters my soul. But With Captain America, Sam Wilson, I think you actually called something really interesting and I had seen no one talk about it. It was called obsidian. You had mentioned that the shield moving allowed for callups sitting to have a very natural place to fall. Not only that it was guaranteeing at least callups sitting could go somewhere. And so at a 52, a 62 percent win rate, sorry, we have a surter version of Sam Wilson out there. Which is kind of interesting because Culpsitting is so naturally easy to play with Sam Wilson. And so that was really interesting to see. But we also do have the ongoing shells, which like have spectrum and stuff like that, which made perfect sense. Zoo also really likes this card. The extra one drop there, it gets buffed by the likes. Of you know the Marvel boy, which we did mention you know, and then you have, of course, it being one drop Kzar and blue Marvel like it as well, and obviously the Gilgamesh finish works, works with it as well. And it just seemed like a very natural inclusion in a whole bunch of decks.

Cozy Snap: 50:52

Yeah. And hopefully when Redwing comes out and we can maybe try that Dracula dump thing, I think that's going to work with cool obsidian. And then you can maybe have this card involved too. There's even future for that archetype to get even better. But yeah, I think you nailed it when you said that it doesn't feel like the strongest card to ever come out. We had expectations for that, but it does feel very solid at that. Reminds me again, I think I said this, it reminds me a little bit of Kate Bishop in a way. I think Kate Bishop's better, but this is in that same wheelhouse.

Alexander Coccia: 51:22

You know what it is? Kate Bishop is never frustrating in a way that Sam Wilson can be because when you have the shield out there and you don't draw Sam Wilson, it sucks. It's so annoying. Like maybe my temper is just not made for Sam Wilson, whereas like I'm looking at that shield. I'm like, bro, I have so many plans for you and I can't do any of it. It's so annoying. And because obviously it's an ongoing effect. So you have to play Sam Wilson down. And then the next turn you can move the shield, I felt that it was slow at times, which kind of brings it into that like four star range, three and a half, four star range. But like, yeah, it's a good card, but I found it personally a little frustrating to play at times, but what really impressed me was the wide variety of archetypes that it found testing in and all of which relatively successful. And you can't always say that it feels okay. It does not have the width of something like iron Patriots. Iron Patriot was literally very similar, pretty much everywhere. It doesn't have that with. But it feels like a very natural inclusion in so many archetypes. It probably needed a little bit of extra love. Now I'm not saying the searcher needed extra love because it got it with Ares. It might even get some more with with Thunderbolt Ross. But like zoo might've needed something right. Zoo had been consistent for the longest time, but now with Sam Wilson, it's got a legit piece to do something else.

Cozy Snap: 52:33

Yeah. But tell me this, cause this is my feeling. I think in a few months he'll be forgotten. I like this to me reminds me of a car that is, you don't need, and he will not be important of relevance within a few months. Like it just has that written all over it. And so that's my biggest takeaways, you know, is fun and the flavor and kind of a, you know, buy me, buy me build. You don't, you don't need to it was my takeaway.

Alexander Coccia: 52:54

Yeah, I agree. A hundred percent. Like you'll be able to move on from this. I think it does not have the meta impact that would be like, well, if you don't buy this card, you're going to feel like a clown, like Surtur felt that way. Right. When, when you didn't have Surtur, you're like, what is happening all around me until they nerfed it. Right. Thankfully we'd have had, we have not had many of those types of cards with the season passes, but yeah, this definitely feels of season pass caliber. Skippable as a whole, if you so desire, and I think the part of the skippability of it too, is that if you happen to get Iron Patriot, they're both two threes, they're both two slotted cards, and they both fill very similar niches to some degree, where they're like cool slot ins, if you're missing cards, right, like if you're missing like a card on a popular deck, you could maybe put Iron Patriot in there, you could put Sam Wilson in there, and generally it'll kind of work okay, but if you have Iron Patriot, It kind of, I feel like they step on each other's toes a little bit. Obviously they don't do the same thing, but if you're looking to fill gaps in a deck list, then I feel like they do. So I agree. Definitely a little skippable on that side. And next that's going to take us to Joaquin Torres Falcon. And this was in the spotlight caches. So as Sam Wilson was a spot was the season pass card. Joaquin is the spotlight cash card. Wow. I almost couldn't get that out, but basically. I actually thought this card surprised me. Now it's win rate and statistics are lower. It's running a 54 percent win rate and a 0. 47 cube rate, but its popularity is like a quarter of that of Sam Wilson's. Sam Wilson has been seeing a lot of experimentation and it looks like only balance players have been playing Joaquin Torres Falcon, but guess what? That's expected because it's a balance card. It is purely a balance card. In fact, even looking at untapped, there are almost no variants of this card outside of balance. And so, if you don't play Bounce at all, right off the top, you can skip, skip, skip a loop right by it because you really don't need it.

Cozy Snap: 54:40

Yeah I did see there was one deck floating around on Twitter that was cool that we mentioned about Korg having a a good impact potentially with this. And I saw one that was kind of like a Bounce deck with like having Agent Venom involved and then obviously Darkhawk. And then you have the hood in there. So then you're able to get, like, multiple demons to your hood. It's not bad value because of the Agent Venom. Or, sorry, I keep saying Agent Venom. Yeah, Agent Venom. I don't know why I stumbled into that. But anyway, you get those. You have Darkhawk cooking up because you have the Korg putting out multiple hits. And then you can bounce that Korg back. So, you know, Joaquin could be this vessel for that a little bit. We thought it would be a bounce card that's about where it landed. I think I quoted and said, This is the first week in a while that feels like there's not, like, Two really good cards on the same week, like a lot of season pass weeks, it's tough. They put a banger out, you know, right away. We had that with like, Ope Summers and Red Hulk and even last with Victoria Hand, you wanted to get that with Iron Patriot. And I think the weird thing it is a little bit is typically, typically those cards synergize with the season. Like we've seen that a lot and where Joaquin does not obviously synergize with Sam.

Alexander Coccia: 55:44

No, because if you had Iron Patriot, you almost wanted Victoria Hand, or if you rolled Victoria Hand in the Spotlight Cash, it was like, well, damn, I guess I'm spending ten bucks on this Season Pass card now, right? It's almost a good business sense, to be honest with you. But with Taurus Falcon, I have to tell ya, in my testing, when I was like testing and working with Elfstreamian, people were like, ah, this card's kind of mid whatever, and I could see why people would say that. And I was starting to see reviews come in, people were like, Ah, this card's not that good. I'm like, you know what though? I think it is. Like, I think it is good for bounce. I don't think it's going to have the impact that, like, Toxin did. However, I think that it is a very interesting form of, like, a Wong for bounce. That, like, yeah, it's, Wong is a four cost, this is a three cost. But when you're working primarily with one drops, that allows you to activate your combos one turn earlier. Because whereas you're playing Wong on four, on four, you can have walking Taurus out on three already, or you can play him into another one drop and then start some balance magic with beast on five. Right. I really liked this card and what really stood out to me were the winners that this card enabled the hood huge. I had a game where I had like six or seven demons on the board. It was ridiculous. There's demons everywhere. And like they're one sixes. If not, they're free because of the black Swan, which is a core component of these decks. Moreover, we were seeing carries from cards like Rocket Raccoon. Silver Sable was absolutely huge in it. And perhaps the biggest winner for me, and we talked about it before as a card that I don't play enough, was Nikumanaru. Niko was absolutely insane, in particular with the skill, or the ability, where she doubles her own power. She doubles twice! It's double the exponential growth, and if you hit her with the with the Agent Venom, She's like 12 power like boom boom and it's like what is happening? And then you can bounce her and play something else, right? You can bounce her and the effect changes and you so like Nico was insane with Taurus Falcon like absolutely ridiculous So I saw the potential a hundred percent

Cozy Snap: 57:39

side note on Nico I did a video of like characters I want to come to rivals the most and I threw Nico in there just because I feel like there's some underground runaway for it fans dude people were loot people like finally Nico represents it like people want to see Nico Come to life even more so it's kind of like Jeff was the sizzle and snap and then really came to life with rivals Like obviously snap is a card game So you don't get to see it all but to be able I even ripped off a little bit of her kid on here I'm like, you know all of her spells and like what? They could implement would be really cool to see and Nico has always been one of my favorite cards here in snap And yeah, dude, what key we had a feeling that you know, obviously you think of like, okay She can move cards to the right, but there's a couple effects there that whenever you get I don't know why I'm blanking the the location that doubles the Kamar tosh whenever you get that, you know, you're like, wow, my Nico could really go crazy here or even if you get you know Cloning vet whatever Nico has so many abilities that you could really just Kind of abuse and walking helps that out.

Alexander Coccia: 58:39

And the thing I liked about it too, is I often had like, I played Joaquin on three, and then on four, I would play like like a one drop or something, I would bounce it, but then Joaquin's now a two with zero costed one drops. So I could play him again, and then all the one drops on top, and then I could falcon them back up, and then play on top of them again. Iceman was pretty cool, but I ended up cutting Iceman from the deck I was experimenting with, because Iceman didn't like, carry power wise, it was like good disruption, but what I found really interesting, Was that like, I was having these one drop cards exceed 10 power regularly, like Silver Sable, Rocket you know, Neeko at times based on what I pulled. And then you had the finisher, the finishers of Sage and Hitmonkey. And if you think about it, if, yeah, if you're balancing stuff back, you can Hitmonkey, Sage, and if you played the Black Swan and all your one drops are free, that's an easy snap. You're throwing up insane power.

Cozy Snap: 59:28

It's time to counter it and run your Killmonger, Uncle Bindex, man, and then you're good to go.

Alexander Coccia: 59:31

Yeah, actually, you know what? If this took off, like, severely, you would start to see the Invisible Woman Killmonger stuff come back, I think. Because that was the way they tried to, like, counterplay the, the bounce with with Kitty Pryde, which ironically doesn't make these decks, because it's not on reveal, right? And I thought about, like, Kitty Pryde and and Thena, but it's just It would not be good enough in these decks because if you think about where the power and the value is being generated, right? You play cards down, you toxin them back up, you have the black swan, you have the falcon, and you're just repeatedly playing these one drops to, to like, just get that effect over and over and over and over again. Rockets seemed risky at times, but other than that Yeah, it was legitimately insane what this card could do. And if you're a balance player, I think it's an absolute must have. If you don't play balance, you can absolutely skip it because it's the only place where it's seeing play. And even then we're seeing stats in the 57 percent win rate range for these decks. And these were already good decks. However, and this is something we talk about all the time. You also have a lot of people playing bounce that don't traditionally play bounce, myself included, right? Every time I have to record a bounce video, I'm like, Oh, here we go. I'm going to be baiting engagement in the comments with all these misplays. Right. And generally I found it pretty straightforward. I think toxin really aids in the accessibility of bounce, but generally speaking, yeah, I came away impressed with the card cozy. And if you're a bounce player, I think it's definitely worth adding to your collection. And we talk about adding things to collections, cozy. That's going to take us to series drops. Now series drops have not been formally announced, but if you need reminder, one of the most jarring moments in Marvel snaps history was when they series dropped a bunch of and then people lost their minds. And then the response to that from second dinner was, Hey guys. We know this sucks. The next series drop is going to be bigger, better, and sooner than this one. So stay tuned. And now we're kind of into the range of like, huh, they might be able to announce the series drop sooner or later. And so. Why not discuss it? Cozy, let's actually plant some seeds for second dinner here as to what are the cards that we would like to see dropped.

Cozy Snap: 1:01:32

Yeah, and I wish they would do it before this new game mode in the S4 and S5 unknowns come out. Cause then it's like, then you're really feasting, right? Cause they drop everything and then that pool is a lot smaller. I thought I saw hints of that. Probably not. But yeah, man, lots of, listen, they have, we know that they Are going to at least make this one much better than before and so that gets our hopes up a bit on to what the potential of these drops can be. So yeah, hit me with some cards that you think are, are, have a pretty good shot to go down. I mean, is it a lot of them? Are they going to go crazy like they did the compensation for the ban and really over deliver? Give me like a 1 through 10 on your confidence on how, how. Big, you think these jobs are going to be?

Alexander Coccia: 1:02:15

I think it has to be no less than an eight. Like, I think you're always gonna be able to look at one card. They're like, Oh, they didn't drop. No, I don't know why they didn't do that or whatever. There's always going to be one card. You can take a look at, but as a whole, they have to nail this. They absolutely have to. And I think they recognize that. I mean, if you look at the game, all this coming out with the sanctum there. The rewards are awesome. Right. And I think that they need to start leaning into like giving a little bit back to the community. And I think they have been though, I think you're starting to see them recognize that they need to be more you know, just fruitful with their community and be giving a little bit more. They're, they're more generous, I would say. And so like, yeah, I think they absolutely have to nail it. Do you not agree?

Cozy Snap: 1:02:54

Yo, I mean, I think they will. The thing is to me, it's not even about specifically, there is, it's definitely important what. Which cards they do, versus how many. We have 78 series 5 cards, 78, and 35 series 4 cards, alright? So, 112, 113 cards in total. That's gonna be cut down dramatically, right? Dramatically. And so They're gonna have to look at, I, I, I think a baseline is you go to Series 4 and you drop everything that's like a really non relevance, or like, anything that just can go. Clearly, a lot of those 35s out, and then that 78 number, you cut that in half, and you put the rest of those down to S4. Some of those in S5, hopefully they even take down to just full 3 altogether, potentially. We don't know if we'll see that. That's, you know, I don't want to over hype and over potential what we could see, but my feeling is, is they don't want, they can't lack luster hit this, right? So they're gonna, I think they're over delivering to compensate of the safety of not underwhelming, right? And that's my, that's my thought.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:00

Yeah, I think that's absolutely accurate. And you know, let's start with series four to series three, which I think is very important for the new player experience in particular, because they've increased the number of cards you get through the progression to the collection track for series three. So it's a good place to start. Then we'll go to the heavy hitters of series five. There's a couple of cards that stand out for being here for a long time. First of all, Zabu. And Modoc feel like they've been there forever. Can you see Zabu or Modoc coming down to series three?

Cozy Snap: 1:04:26

Yeah, those are two. Those are two definitely that are going to go down in my opinion. I think no question. I feel like they look at age on some of these and those are ones that they can put down to pull through.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:36

Yeah, absolutely, I do agree, and they've been in there forever, and Zabu is actually seeing play again, and Modok, too, with a lot of the decks featuring Bullseye and stuff like that. Another card of that approximate era, although a little bit, or kind of newer, is gonna be Legion. Legion's a card that has its play in the the War Machine decks, but kind of not really seeing much play outside of War Machine and Aerostrom. But, Legion could come down as well. It's a little newer, but still, I think I can see it falling.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:01

Yeah, I think I see Legion going down. And Nebula too. I think both, like, some of those, I think, that have been in there for a while, and also, again, it's that impact factor, right? Like, to me, if you, if they're looking at it as a business, Nebula has kind of phased out as that one cost premium card that you need to have. There's so many of those now, especially more that they've introduced. So, like, it's that kind of stuff that you can bring down. Legion may stay because of his uniqueness, and there's other cards that have been out longer than him that could go down, but That's potentially how I see it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:35

I instilled the thought process that I would think that tech cards should drop faster than others. So Mobius and Mobius should be one that goes to series three.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:43

Yeah. And almost Ravonna, it's like, I feel like it's tech cards. And then like these like almost like Patriot cards, or it's like, they kind of give you a full archetype to play with in some cases. No. But because of how long she's been out, and because of She just feels like a car that would be a great home run for them to just to send down there. I get Darkhawk and Nola have been there forever. Those two gotta go down now at this point. There's just no reason. They help with the archetype. Awesome. Let's put them down. There's just no question there. There's just some obvious ones that I think they just, there's just no point for them not to go down. Silk. Is another one, you know, like Living Tribunal, I think will stay. I think that's one that will stay in series. Like, there's a couple that you look at, like Iron Lad. I don't know if they would bring him down.

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:30

I think it stays up. Yeah,

Cozy Snap: 1:06:32

there's a couple of these like, or X23 is another good example. I don't think she ever goes down either. So, those are the ones I think might stay in S4.

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:40

I'm calling this right now, both Nimrod and Phoenix force go down to three cause they're in a spotlight cash for one more hurrah. And so they got there, they'd eat up a couple more caches for everyone, you know, take, take some keys out of the economy and then they drop them to series three. That's probably what's going to happen there. But yeah, I think that that's more or less what I would have talked about a hit monkey too, I guess. Like if if you think about hit monkey and what, how important it is to those balance based archetypes. It's got to drop eventually, but yeah Nebula was actually kind of recent. Wasn't it? It was not the most recent, recent series job, but the one before that,

Cozy Snap: 1:07:10

I don't think it's been in series

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:11

for that long. Right. But I think it could definitely fall again.

Cozy Snap: 1:07:14

Yeah. To me, it's more of like, it's just the ones that do they even need to be there? Like it is my take and rather like if listen, second dinner doesn't look at the time thing, we can prove that with Nolan Darkhawk. So I think like, let's make it stay consistent with that. And I don't think it matters all that much. It's the ones that feel like they should be S4. Maybe Nebula stays, but that was my thought on it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:38

Okay. And I think that more or less covers series four. That's what I would expect. I'm fully in line with you there. Now let's go to series five. There's a lot more cards, a lot more of these are more impactful. Unfortunately, we have some series five cards that seem to have a lot of plot armor with regards to series drops. And it seems like the more popular they are and the better they are, the higher they stay up. Right. So I'm going to start with something. We did mention that tech cards should drop faster. Quick question though, before you start, do

Cozy Snap: 1:08:03

you think any of these go down to pool three? Immediately from series

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:06

five.

Cozy Snap: 1:08:08

I think I don't

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:08

think they would do that. No, I think you think there's, do you think you're going to see a double drop?

Cozy Snap: 1:08:11

Didn't we get that? I feel like we got that before with one or two parts. Was that Jean gray or something like something?

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:17

I don't ever remember a car dropping that fast. I remember, I remember like gladiators dropping from five to four fast wasn't

Cozy Snap: 1:08:23

Jean S five. Right. And now isn't she pull three. Yeah, but I

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:26

think she sat at series four for a while.

Cozy Snap: 1:08:29

Potentially. I don't know. I feel like they, they have 78 cards to handle. So if they put. A lot of these in a pool four, then you just have a huge pool four at that point, because then they would, if they're only dropping some of those, so I do think we might get some of these to go down all the way to three potentially, but it's a serious, it's a serious drops. I don't know how they, that's my guess though. That's my guess.

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:49

Hmm. Hmm. But they won't be able to, you know, rip those tokens out of your pockets if they do it that way, right? So you got to keep that in mind. Talking about tech cards, we discussed tech cards dropping a little more frequently. Now this one's running a 24 percent play rate and a 55 percent win rate. It's Red Guardian. Red Guardian is literally all over the place. And if you're someone who's thinking to yourself, Oh, you know, is Luke Cage a problem? What about Red Guardian? Can you see Red Guardian dropping or is it simply too popular right now?

Cozy Snap: 1:09:13

No, he should go. He definitely should go down. Yeah, I think Red Guardian, as you said, tech cards are important to have. Especially ones that are played a lot important to go down there. There are series five cards, you look at them and you're like, there's no shot, but there are some that you look at and you're like, they have to go and I think he's one.

Alexander Coccia: 1:09:30

Yeah. What's one that you think is no shot?

Cozy Snap: 1:09:32

So the ones that I think aren't going to go down are things like gore. I think Nico. Might stay up there, too. I think

Alexander Coccia: 1:09:39

I agree. I don't think Nico drops these

Cozy Snap: 1:09:40

power. It's not that they're like powerful in play. They are, but also they just they feel as five to me, man. I think a life potentially could stay even though that's weird. I think he could stay mocking birds. Another I think I could see them dropping Wiccan. I can see them dropping sage copycat potentially, but like these big, they just kind of stand out a little bit, right? Like, Red Hulk, I don't think Red Hulk's going down. I think he's going to stay in S5 as well.

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:08

I don't think Wiccan goes down. I think Wiccan's too good. He's on the edge. I think Wiccan stays up. Yeah, I think Wiccan stays up. And I think what you're trying to get at and what I was thinking about too, I think it's less about performance with Series 5 and sometimes about the design space they occupy. If you think about Neeko, it feels premium because it's a really cool card that does like a really wide amount of things. The same reason why Ereshim won't drop. Because it's a very unique card, okay? You have the classic big bads, right? Of like Thanos and Galactus. They don't drop because they do a very specific, big game altering thing. So I wonder how much of it's like design and how long they've been there for. Versus their win rate and playability. And to

Cozy Snap: 1:10:49

me, if they go by that, then it's like, they should really go by that. And. Everything that's more niche should go at least down one, right? So like Circe has no business being in, in S5, right? Like those style of, of cards that are maybe just moved opinion. Or Rania like I know she's newer, but she can go down. Right. Because it's just. Very niche. Makari's definitely. Yeah. Yeah. They just don't have a lot. Like, Anti Venom? I think will stay. It's another, kind of weird, kind of niche, but I think he'll stay. And Anti both Anti Venom and Agent Venom. By the way, I was trying to correct myself. It was Agent Venom I was referring to earlier, not Anti Venom on this Darkhawk deck. Besides the point. Thanos isn't moving. The old big bads aren't moving. Blob probably isn't moving either Alex. But, Cannonball. Tyera, US agent. They're all moving. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:11:38

Yeah. I w I would say so. I think cannibal, I wonder if they don't move cannibal down because they, I think they're very hesitant to make cannibal like overly accessible because of how disruptive it can be. Remember, it was previously nerfed. It was buffed back up. But they had to change the professor X for that to happen. So I wonder if they're careful with that. I guess the big one for me is I wonder if we're at a point where Jeff goes to four, or do you think Jeff stays up? I think he should

Cozy Snap: 1:12:01

go. No, I think he should go. I think I think he's like the dark. I, he, he fits the thing that we said earlier. Like he's very unique. He does his thing, but he's been there so long at this point that it's time to bring him down. It's kind of a meme, right? Like he would be the one that they could have an amazing drop. And then if he wasn't brought down, people be like, come on, get Jeff down there. You know? I can see him going to S4.

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:21

The month that sticks out in my head is the one that's every one of them is going to drop is going to be the block order. I think the entire block order goes down.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:29

Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:30

Proxima, Corvus, Cull Obsidian. They all check those boxes where they don't really do, even Black Swan, right? Like they're not really meta impactful, but they're worth having in a collection. I think it's an easy win taking the entire block order and dropping them down one.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:43

Yeah, they do. They definitely fit that, that role. Like Gwynpool, I think might stay Some of these like scream and symbiote spider man. I think they can probably go down I think symbiote probably stays. I think scream could go down though. I do

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:55

zero chance I think you're huffing an insane amount of opium. I think it'd be a win. It'd be a win Yeah, I wonder man. What if they did a thing where they actually like What if they had like one card every series drop that was like the banner card, you know They draw like can you imagine the series drop announcement and on the front of it is like Nico and scream like doing a fist Bump or something, you know what? I mean? Like they know they're dropping some heavy hitters down or that's part of the appeal.

Cozy Snap: 1:13:21

Yeah What's important too is they also need to probably announce or hope they do their plan moving forward with this like so, you know if they You can fix the leaks in a boat, right? But eventually, those leaks will come back, and so it's like, Eventually, that boat's gonna fill up with water. Eventually, we're gonna get more of these cards again, and they're gonna have to Have the same issue unless they continue to have big drops like this. I guess maybe that's what they do but yeah, I mean long time ago She Hulk was that banner card that you know, we were like, whoa, like, you know, she looks going down Shuri

Alexander Coccia: 1:13:53

too, right?

Cozy Snap: 1:13:54

Yeah, so I do think I do think they're gonna have some that are on that list of like, oh wow We you know, I wasn't expecting XYZ.

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:03

Yeah. I think that with 100 percent certainty, I'm going to call it right now. I think Kyara goes down because I think that makes perfect sense. I would actually venture to say if any cards are gonna go from five to three, it would be Kyara. And I think the reason why is because it's for zoo players. You think about early collection level play, right? Zoo players could use Kyara to protect them against Killmonger, perhaps be more. You know, efficient at you know, in conquest or at higher MMRs when they get to infinite and et cetera, I think Cairo might be one of the only ones that I can see going from five to three, because it activates an archetype that works in that frame for series three players.

Cozy Snap: 1:14:37

That makes sense. I do have a question as far as we talked about the old big bad, Thanos Galactus. High Evo and yeah, so that's why I brought this up. So came, what do they do? Right? So if they bring King down, then the old car doesn't

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:53

exist

Cozy Snap: 1:14:53

exactly as it should go down, right? Like it should go down, but then they, they mess with the big bad term, but then, you know, our gloves off. Can others go down? Can a high Evo go down to the pool for him? King does.

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:06

I think they don't bring Kang down. I think they look to redesign him again. I bet you Glenn had a design for Kang and they did like it and they never shipped it. I bet you like, do you remember how we had a patch that got delayed by like six hours one day? They were taking Kang out of the patch is what happened.

Cozy Snap: 1:15:22

Yeah, I think

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:23

that's my guess. I

Cozy Snap: 1:15:24

think he's right there with the Adam Warlock change. Yeah, it's coming anytime now, right? Anytime. Don't

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:29

hold your breath, but it's coming.

Cozy Snap: 1:15:30

Yeah, right. But yeah, man, I think it's funny. You can almost do the eyeball test as I scroll through all of these and I can just be like, This feels solid. This feels like it's too recent. This feels like it's recent, but should go down. There's a lot of these that just make sense. Like, Toxin's never gonna move in a while. Cause he's just like that super enhancing bit. Even though he's limited to bounce, I feel like he might stay. Loki's gonna go down. You know, you could go through all these and really be able to tell what's gonna go, what's gonna stay. Like Annihilus, even though he's not played, I don't know. Maybe?

Alexander Coccia: 1:16:04

These like, lynchpin cards to the archetypes feel like they hold more weight at series 5, and Oh man, but the problem is, is like what I think we've been experiencing over the last couple, like several months of Marble Snap is that the cards have been much more balanced and good, but not game breaking, but ever so good so that they improve existing archetypes. And so for a free to play player, it's become more difficult to. Pick your resources because everything is kind of good. Like think about how skippable at first glance Wiccan felt. And then once those decks got ironed out, Wiccan is still a core part of the meta, right? Like it's still doing work. And you can even make the same argument for like speed. Speed is a good card that I think probably doesn't get played because people don't have him, honestly. And he doesn't get the meta penetration because his number doesn't go up because people don't have them. And then like, when you think about what series drops do, they really increase the accessibility. In particular, while a lot of people really focus on the series five to four, because it's the having of the tokens, which is notable. Cause we also get double the tokens we used to from spotlight caches moving from series four to three is an even bigger change because those cards are way more free to play accessible, like insanely free to play accessible through the collection track, especially with the doubling of the progression. And so for me, series five to four is. It's all good and everything, but that just means it's additional progress towards series four to three, where I think it makes the most sense for players.

Cozy Snap: 1:17:28

And yeah, for my final thoughts, I would say that they've also talked about card acquisition changing entirely. So, you know, there is a chance they do bring almost the whole chunk of these to S4, right? None of these do go to S3, but the way to get S4 cards is entirely different, right? Or whatever they end up doing. Like, I can see that. Being very largely realistic, so like, series drops happen way more often. The S5s go to S4 way more often. We still have the concrete S5s, but then getting S4s is about 10 times, whatever they do. Whatever they do for S4s, I can see that being a realistic change.

Alexander Coccia: 1:18:06

Or you just get rid of the series thing altogether. They're either in the collection track or their series, whatever their cash cards or whatever, get rid of the distinction. You're either in the collector's track or you're not. That's another point of discussion as well. But you know what else, sir, is a point of discussion. We had so many questions for the Snapchat mailbag last week, my friend, and a lot of them revolved around. Some random discussions we had. We'll get to some Marble Snap questions as well, but we got to get some core business out of the way, sir. Question number one comes from Dark Angel, and it read, Beast Wars was my introduction to Transformers. Also watched Reboot 2, watched a ton of DBZ, early Pokemon, and early Digimon. I also played a lot of Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and got into Marvel stuff through Spider Man, the Animated Series, and X Men Evolution. Also very much enjoyed Jackie Chan Adventures. I think I stopped watching after the villain attempted to bring their brother and sister from the other dimension. Such a throwback. Thanks for the memory lane trip, Alex and Cozy.

Cozy Snap: 1:19:04

Yeah, a couple things. I watched Like a YouTube thing on Beast Wars and it clicked for me. I've definitely seen it. I didn't put it together. That was Transformers, but yes. 100 percent I was cracking up at the few people that laughed at my my Jackie reference. Also I get a lot of Canadians on my side that comment and they go, Alex, what do you, what do you want? What, what did you grow up? What? Cause they knew this stuff. So maybe it depends on where you lived in Canada.

Alexander Coccia: 1:19:30

Well, I'm in like the Toronto area. You'd think that I'd be getting most of the stuff that comes from the States, but maybe I'm just a clown, man. I don't know. I've, I've been known to be a clown in the past.

Cozy Snap: 1:19:40

But yeah, it was definitely cool reliving down Nostalgia Lane.

Alexander Coccia: 1:19:43

In title of Nostalgia Lane, Steven brought up something important here and says, To just so casually brush over samurai pizza cra pizza cats is criminal. Cozy, you had never heard of samurai pizza cats.

Cozy Snap: 1:19:55

I haven't. I don't know. What are you

Alexander Coccia: 1:19:58

watching down south, bud?

Cozy Snap: 1:20:00

Yeah, no, Samurai Pizza Cats did not did not make the American audience. Probably did. There's gonna be a million people saying I watch it. I've never seen that. I've never even heard of it. It sounds made up. It sounds AI generated. Well, sir,

Alexander Coccia: 1:20:09

you have homework for the weekend. After the Super Bowl, you're gonna say, Honey, we're watching some Samurai Pizza Cats. I don't know where you would find it. I'm sure there's some, like, 20 year old YouTube video uploaded of some, like, blurry 120p footage of it. But, sir, you are missing out. It has a great intro. Even if you just watch the introductory, like, kind of title sequence, that's worth it. I don't even remember anything else of that. Yeah, that'll be your homework. Then we're going to go into some actual Marvel snap from Ventus here, who says with how many cards are being added and with how many cards are being cut or not played, do you think that snap will eventually increase deck sizes or energy per turn? I feel like it could eventually be necessary to keep cards relevant.

Cozy Snap: 1:20:49

Yeah, I've given up hope on a deck size or no, sorry. Deck size will never change. I, I thought decks, You're talking deck slots. Deck slots, I gave up hope on that. That would

Alexander Coccia: 1:20:57

be an easy dub, just give us more deck slots for sure. For

Cozy Snap: 1:21:00

sure, yeah, I don't think they're gonna change the core fundamentals of the game.

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:04

Yeah, I actually agree with that. Changing the enemy sorry, energy per turn or the deck size I think would be kind of crazy but that's not to say that you couldn't perhaps have a limited time game mode that modifies the deck building restrictions, right? That's, that's, well, I mean, energy per turn is by voltage, right? Changing the deck design for a game mode could be an interesting take. Like, oh, we talked about commander before. What if you were to make a 100, I mean, part of the commander is that everything's an individual one piece card, right? It's a like each, but like snaps already that what if you had a 40 card deck with four,

Cozy Snap: 1:21:39

I think even if they went up to 15, it would be a monster difference in the game. Like, you know, I. We'll think about snap is when you have 12, you know, you're able to really make a difference by just adding a few. Think about how many decks, man, that if you could even add one more card, that whole deck is so different. And so adding like three spots to a destroyed deck would be fascinating.

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:59

It would be, yeah, you're right. And, but I mean, Hey, that's something for the future. Limited time game mode with custom deck building considerations would be pretty cool. Next question comes from Nicholas and it reads, Power creep has become a problem, but I think Cozy has the right idea that OTAs are a better solution than either rotation or power creep. They should try to be more creative with early series cards. For example, I think a Mr. Fantastic buff would have been to have him give his power to adjacent locations. His power might need to be adjusted accordingly, but then he has synergy with Surfer, Forge, Galacta, and etc. He's not OP for early game players, and his power level scales as you advance your collection.

Cozy Snap: 1:22:35

Yeah I, I, I don't understand the question. So like, Mr. Fantastic did get that buff though.

Alexander Coccia: 1:22:43

Yeah, essentially. But what I think they're trying to hint at is that like, instead of having rotation or straight up power creep using OTAs as a method to kind of keep things in check is important. But I think the major point that I found fascinating was the idea of like buffing early series cards that benefit from increasing your collection later on. Oh,

Cozy Snap: 1:23:02

okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, again, it's like taking those risks a little bit more. Is what we highlighted last week and I think that that that is the core essence of how to keep power creep and check is, is risking some of the old designs a bit more and testing the waters. We've seen them be able to, you know, take things back pretty quickly. And it'd be, you know, I think that's the way to go.

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:23

And we have two more questions, both related to the MCU. Cause cozy, you had brought it up. We have one from Batman that says love and thunder was my biggest disappointment in the MCU, which is followed by Wolfsbane, who says I'm agreeing with cozy daredevil is awesome.

Cozy Snap: 1:23:38

You, did you finish the movie?

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:40

I did, I did finish Love and Thunder. What'd you think? I thought it was better than everyone said it was. But it wasn't good. Like, I've seen good movies before, it wasn't that. But it wasn't terrible. People were talking about Love and Thunder like it was absolute garbage. Like, people would be like, don't even watch it, like save your hour. Like, just lay face down on the floor instead. Like that was the way people were discussing it. It was not that bad. I've seen way worse. I've seen movies. Anybody Okay, listen. My wife likes absolute garbage. Her taste in movies is so bad, that like I can't even stomach the movies half the time. Cause they're just like It's basically reality TV in movie form, and I can't do it. She still watches Say Yes to the Dress. We've been married since 2011. Okay. So this is the kind of content my wife consumes. So like love and thunder for me was a blessing.

Cozy Snap: 1:24:24

You know what I call those movies where it's like, they're not complete trash, but it's not a good movie or airplane movies. You're on an airplane. Great example, right? You got nothing to do. That's exactly where I watched. Love and Thunder. It was on an airplane. Dude,

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:37

do you know what I watched on the flight to San Diego? Cause it was a longer one for me. Which

Cozy Snap: 1:24:41

one?

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:41

Madam Web. Oh,

Cozy Snap: 1:24:43

that's a, and that's an air, I mean that's a, that's a long flight movie. That's a, there's no other option. Dude, I

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:50

was watching it, I was like, they can't be serious. I don't most rather. What is this, a high school

Cozy Snap: 1:24:54

production? Play those games you can play with other people on the airplane that are also playing them and it's like they're like Word search games and crossword games and I'd almost rather that than Madame Web, but I would put most of the newer phase in an airplane category.

Alexander Coccia: 1:25:08

You know, what sucked about Madam Web, my viewing experience is the guy in front of me had like, reclined his seat as far as he could, and the screen didn't tilt, so it just like, was kind of facing down a bit the whole time, like it was angled improperly, so I had to kind of like slouch to watch it like flat, so that made the, even, even then the movie just sucked. That was so bad, I can't, that is by far the worst movie, and is that even MCU? I don't know who the hell made that, that's a Sony one, isn't it? You go from Spider Man to that, like what are we doing? Dude, and then the CEO, I saw some article about it that he said that we were wrong. That like, everyone's like, Oh, this movie is not bad. You guys just have bad taste. I'm like, bro, get out of here with that crap. Like your movie is dog shit. Don't tell me that I can't recognize that your movie sucks. Oh my God. There goes that sponsorship. So anyways, daredevils next on my list, by the way,

Cozy Snap: 1:25:53

Sydney Sweeney. As part of that movie daredevil. Yes. You need to actually watch it though. You'll love it. Just watch the first episode by the next Snapchat. Just. It's okay. 30 minutes, 40 minutes. That's my homework. That's your homework. That's my homework.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:04

All right, guys, thank you so much for joining us. And you know what? If you want some homework to watch the first episode of daredevil, and we'll see you on that next Marvel Snapchat episode.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:12

Guys, have a great week. Hopefully you guys enjoyed listening today. And as always, until the next one, happy snapping.