Copycat: This Season’s MVP? | New Game Show: Higher or Lower | Ajax In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 90

Will Copycat be the best card this season? What are the more free to play friendly cards and decks? What are the final rankings on Ajax? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome and Today's Topics
• 0:44 Air Con and Comic-Con
• 5:12 Special Announcement
• 6:19 Alex's Topics
• 6:43 Copycat
• 26:32 Higher or Lower
• 37:43 Free to play
• 51:43 The Car
• 55:53 Ajax In Review
• 1:05:07 The Villains of Marvel Snap
• 1:25:15 The Snap Chat Mailbag
• 1:33:50 Outro

Transcript

Cozy Snap: 0:00

What's going on guys? Welcome back. Copycat was my most anticipated card this season. So we're gonna break down, is this card too good? Is she destined for a nerf? And obviously break down all the synergies and what Alex and I like so much about her. But with that, if you can't get a lot of new cards, well, what do you do? Alex and I are gonna talk about the cards that you should be building around and decks that you can have if you're more free to play friendly. And just talk about the best decks there so you don't always feel like you're missing out on the new shiny thing. And then lastly, we're playing a game called Higher or Lower. Alex is going to be put to the test, and you guys as well. Does the card have a higher or lower play rate than the card that it's compared to? be a lot of fun today, and we're going to talk about that all today more on this episode of the Snap Chat. And as always, I am joined by the one and only Mr. Alex Coccia. It is Deadpool and Wolverine week. It is San Diego Comic Con, and it is Copycat week, man. So it's a, it's a great day to be a Marvel fan. How you doing?

Alexander Coccia: 0:54

I'm doing good Actually, can we restart the I need to I need to actually change Like, I'm so hot right now, I want to just take down the temperature a little bit here. You can do that from your phone over there? Yeah. Wait, you don't have a nest?

Cozy Snap: 1:04

No, I don't have an AC here, and I don't have a I don't have an Well, I have a I have an AC, but I don't have AC in the house. Do you have just beautiful AC all around your house?

Alexander Coccia: 1:12

Yeah, you, wait, hold on. You live in like a vacation destination, like, beautiful area, tons of sunshine, you don't have AC? I'm in like, north of Canada. First of all,

Cozy Snap: 1:22

this sounds like a commercial we're doing at like, 2 AM where it's like, are you hot? I don't have AC. No, this is not an ad, guys. No, so, San Diego has like, some of the best weather in the world. I think it's like, probably top 5. Okay, like, top 5, always beautiful, never too hot, never too cold. But then they're like, hey, let's save a buck and never put AC in any of the houses. So we don't have it's called open a window here. So that's why I'm always wearing like hoodies and like sweaters all the time because I've got a blasting little window unit here, which is awful. It's not it's not the same, but I definitely can't control it on my phone, man. Look at you, you're You're in the future. That's mind blowing to me.

Alexander Coccia: 1:58

That's absolutely my, wait, wait to San Diego. Is that one of the places in America where you guys don't have basements either?

Cozy Snap: 2:03

Definitely don't have basements. At one, there would be no reason to have a basement here. No, no, no. There's a lot of places in the U S I think that doesn't have basements.

Alexander Coccia: 2:12

So you guys don't have air conditioning, you guys don't have basements, just so you know, air conditioned basements are like 15 degrees cooler than everywhere else in the house.

Cozy Snap: 2:19

Dude, I wish that I had a basement, mainly because that would be my studio. Like, I am, people, people, misconception, I am in a very small room here, right? Like, I'm working with some small, small, I would love to, the creative stuff I could do, man, I got a green screen here that I'm trying to like, I'm too tall for, so I have to like, perfectly take my shoes off, It's, it's, it's budget, it's budget city over here. Do you have like, are you in your basement? I mean, you're too tall

Alexander Coccia: 2:42

for a lot of things, buddy.

Cozy Snap: 2:43

Yeah,

Alexander Coccia: 2:43

yeah,

Cozy Snap: 2:43

a little bit. Are you in a basement, though?

Alexander Coccia: 2:45

Yeah, yeah, I'm in a basement, like, just well, like, that's why you always hear pounding on the ceiling above me, because my kids, like, run around the floor, throw toys against the floor while I'm recording and stuff. If you listen very carefully, you can hear it sometimes.

Cozy Snap: 2:56

Oh, no, definitely. I can hear, there'll be times where I'm like, we gotta, we gotta stop, guys, because we can't fit.

Alexander Coccia: 3:01

Well this is Yeah, someone's getting body slammed upstairs.

Cozy Snap: 3:03

This is brought to you by Ness. Well, dude, so This is cool. I'm pretty sure Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are coming to San Diego Comic Con. If you don't know what Comic Con is, it's like the Super Bowl for nerds in San Diego. It's like the main hub of Comic Con. It's, it's just, it's massive. There's so many people. Last Comic Con I went to, I literally met two, three thousand people that played Snap Man. Kind of like PAX, but like amplified. Like, crazy. It's such a, it's just a cool experience, man. I'm pretty apt to go. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll see Ryan.

Alexander Coccia: 3:34

Yeah, one of these days, I'd like to go. I'd like to make the flight down to San Diego and go to Comic Con and I actually looked up tickets and stuff, but apparently they sold out, like, a long time ago.

Cozy Snap: 3:42

They sell out, like eight months in advance and you have to win them in a lottery. So, the cool thing about Comic Con is they don't sell them, necessarily, for, like, You know, you can't buy them for like 10k. If you have money, you can't buy them. It's a lottery system. And you have to hope you win. But the cool thing is, if you get in once, you can kind of always get in. It's like this access in, yeah. So it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of like walking and roaming, but it's cool.

Alexander Coccia: 4:04

Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. And like, honestly, one of these days, I want to make it out, because it sounds like it's incredible. I know you had a fantastic experience last year. Hopefully you see some more Marvel Snap artists and Marvel Snap celebrities. Wait,

Cozy Snap: 4:17

tell me this, if I could pick you up any comic with like a variant cover you want R Germ? Like, if I could get you a couple R Germs?

Alexander Coccia: 4:24

Yeah, give me the Archer and no, no, no. Kim Yasinto, Kitty Pryde.

Cozy Snap: 4:28

Okay, okay. I'll look for it, man. I'll look for it. There's a lot of artists, too. It's called Artist Alley, so a lot of people have, like, just their Actually, no, check this out, man. Alright, so this is Larry Houston. He's the one that made the original X Men back in the 90s. Pretty, pretty sick, pretty sick art. These are more prints, but same thing. Got him, got him. I was just kind of talking about it, and, like, this was before X Men 97 came out, and he kind of, like, gave his opinion on, like, the show. Dude, check out this one, man. This is pretty sweet. Oh,

Alexander Coccia: 4:48

that's nice, yeah.

Cozy Snap: 4:50

This was just like a random artist, and it was funny because I kept sending these to Johnny as like, Hey, you should make these guys do variants in Snap, because some of these would be epic. This, I want this as a variant in Snap. And then this Dr. Strange. It's some pretty cool stuff, man. So, I like going to to Artist Alley and checking out some of the local art there and whatnot. Obviously, I'm too lazy to hang it up and get a frame. And not only that, this Friday, we got something else. We got an announcement. We're pumped. It's been two years. Of Snapchat. Doing it all the time. And finally, Alex and I are gonna be hosting, co hosting, Marvel Snap Conquerors. It's gonna be Maximum Effort edition and I'm pumped, man. We've got you know, it's a, it's a song and dance. We've got creators. There's more specifics gonna be announced on, like, the Marvel Snap official channels. You'll see it on ours as well. But Alex and I, this Friday, are casting. I am amped to essentially just take this. Like, we're just gonna take this and go, and go cast some, some Snap games, man.

Alexander Coccia: 5:45

I couldn't be more excited. This is like a lifelong dream coming true, being able to like cast an event for a game that I absolutely love with someone who I absolutely love. And this is gonna be so good. Dude, I'm so excited. I don't know what else to say other than like, I cannot believe this is happening and I cannot wait till Friday. And the guest list is absolutely remarkable. You guys can be floored.

Cozy Snap: 6:03

But dude, we've got a lot to talk about. On this episode. We got copycat, who I'm a little bit afraid of. Alex, I think she might be too good. Literally is my, is my prediction on the card. And then we have a game to play here that I'm going to play a little stuffing with Alex and you guys. But Alex, what are we talking about on your side of this Snapchat?

Alexander Coccia: 6:22

Cozy on my side of the Snapchat. We're going to be talking about Ajax in review, very interesting card. And we're going to be discussing it and whether or not it's worth your spotlight keys and your tokens. And then we're going to be talking about the new villains of Marvel Snap. We've had some major meta shakeups, some major releases, and let's just say Tiltin some people out, and we're gonna talk about those cards, and then finally, of course, our Snapchat mailbag.

Cozy Snap: 6:43

Well, let's get to it! Let's talk about Copycat, who was my 5 star this early season, my prediction of the best card this season, and I think she might be one of the best cards this summer, buddy, cause there's a lot to break down. If you don't know, she is a 3 cost 5 power card! When you draw this, she's gonna steal the text from the bottom card of your opponent's deck. So, super useful right off the bat. Guys, if you, if you can't read or hear You don't have to play her. She's a free way to get information and disrupt, which we haven't really seen in Marvel Snap. Very rare to get something like that with premium stats. And because of that, There's not a lot of cons. There's just not a lot of cons for this card. And that is why I think she might be too good, and I think the only thing I'm hesitant about is that It's like Red Hulk. It's not as good as the power, right? But you see it, and you're like, There's just no way. 4 OTAs, 3 OTAs, 2! Dare I say, Glenn, she's not a 3 4.

Alexander Coccia: 7:40

Yeah, it makes me wonder, right? Like, if you think about the original OG Marvel Snap, Beta launch Cyclops was a 3 4 and High Evo didn't exist and that was considered the vanilla baseline card and like the Let's Move X Men was a meme for a long time on the Snapchat and suddenly we have a 3 5 with an absolutely fantastic disruptive ability that gives information while also disrupting their deck. It's crazy how far we have come. This card is absolutely cracked and could it be releasing too hot, man? I wonder. Like this was, this was one of those ones I want to make five stars. But, I mean, this is, I mean, if I could go five stars, I will, but you're, you're kind of making me go four, maybe four and a half Cozy, if you'll allow me.

Cozy Snap: 8:17

You did, you did the Cassandra, I get it, where you can only pick one, I understand it was a tough call, and hey, next week, I'm going to be in the same boat, I'm going to be like, but I want to give it Listen, when we didn't know if she showed your opponent or not, which one you copied, I was like, okay, that makes sense, if she, if they show the opponent, you kind of lose that advantage, you know, if you take their Shang Chi, they know, and But she does, and I don't think they'll change that. They could go her as low as like a 3 3, and I still think she's okay. I don't think they'll go that low. I think they would go to 3 4 first. But, the thing is, is, the card just has to be marginally okay, and immediately you're happy. Because 3 5's insane value, and we're gonna talk about some cards today that if she takes, you're just like, it's such a snap. It's such a snap condition of a card. And this reminds me of those, the Hope Summers types of cards, where it's just, you know, Immediately, plug her in the deck. She's not going to be the worst card by any stretch. She could be the best card. She could be a game plan. Unlike, so this is, like, Cable goes in decks, right? Like, Loki mainly sees them because it kind of works with your game plan. What's great about Copycat is, you can put her in anything. Let's say Patriot, and if you're not getting things going, or maybe they've got a hard counter, you just maybe hope Copycat steals something great, and you've got yourself a win condition.

Alexander Coccia: 9:28

The interesting thing about this as well is that it's when it's drawn and not played. So you can get information and not even play the card, right? You might be in a situation where Copycat is not the card that you have to play. But it's turn six, you top deck Copycat, and it took their Shan Qi, like, Whoa, whoa, whoa! My blob is safe, man, or whatever, unless they Shadow King or whatever. But, oh, they don't have their Shang Chi. It's at the bottom of their deck. That's useful. Like that's useful. So she can do something even when she's in your hand and your opponent has no idea. It's pretty remarkable.

Cozy Snap: 9:56

And that's the thing. Information's key. Number one, right? Like just getting the information low. I know like they technically won't get the card. Doesn't matter. Like they don't know that, you know, that, and that's even more powerful than them not knowing that. Right. So getting a Hella or whatever is massive. And there are certain decks. Like, let's say Annihilus. That's the game plan. That's the main game plan. And if you're, or even better, maybe like something like, they're doing Hazmat Ajax, they're going crazy, and you got their Luke Cage, and you're like, they don't even know. They don't even know that you're about to ruin their day. So, I think it's just such a crazy possibility of just the information gathering. For one, good stats for two, but then, she's a new way to energy cheat for three. And that's where it's really special, especially with some of the decks nowadays that are very leaned heavy on the high power, high cost cards, as we've seen. And on top of that, she comes with cool obsidian and thanos, dude. So it's not even like she's in a bad spotlight week either.

Alexander Coccia: 10:50

No, this is an absolutely incredible week. Like if you're a relatively new player, just anyone, right? Thanos, Cull Obsidian, fantastic cards. They are, I mean, Cull Obsidian finds itself in a number of decks. Obviously it goes into the Thanos decks, goes into Zoo decks. It goes into just straight up good cards, value decks. Thanos is Thanos. We've been talking about over and over again that his time is coming, right? They're going to be constantly making adjustments to that card until it's like, you know, playable. And I mean, even the changes to Lockjaw that we saw in the OTA, That's a, that's a high five to Thanos. I mean, a Marvel Snap conjugator that I love. I mean, Meta Thanos is back, baby. Released a video and I was playing that deck. I was like, hell yeah, Meta Thanos is back. And it's, it's good to see Thanos making a bit more of an impression than it used to. But Cozy, I got to challenge you on one thing. There is a situation where I think Copycat is a one star card. And I want you, I want your opinion. How is it going to feel when it's played against you?

Cozy Snap: 11:41

I wanted to have this discussion because I'm so glad you brought this up. Dude, if there, there's such a rinse and repeat of this cycle. We saw it with Loki, Annihilus. We've seen it now. Like with it, with Hope Summers it doesn't happen because it's kind of like It's not a fair card, but it's not, like, doing something crazy to you. And then we saw with Airsham. Airsham, best card of the game, I love it! So much fun! Dexter, I'm calling you out, I love you. He did a tweet, like, ah, it's my best friend. And then he's like, I hate it. Actually, you commented on that, right? I hate it now. But I've seen this all the time. And it's like, that's what we talked about last week, was like, remember it's a fun game at the end of the day, right? I am really worried about this one because, you know, there's no way to account for their copycat taking your Galactus. And then all of a sudden you get Galactus and you're like, what just happened? What are we doing? And so I am worried about that. And that's why I think also they're going to tune in pretty quick.

Alexander Coccia: 12:30

It's pretty funny from my perspective, because like we all want like really cool cards and we want to play the really cool cards. But we forget what it's like to have the cards played against us sometimes. It's like, oh, I can't wait to play. Play copycat and it copies Dr. Doom and I smash it on turn three and they're like, what's happening? And I've already snapped. And then the other side, they snap and they play a turn three, Dr. Doom with copycat. You're like, what just happened to me?

Cozy Snap: 12:52

Dude, HiEvo, Loki Blob. Those are the ones I remember like, they're so cool. These are so cool. And within days. People were just, I hate this card, the loudest people in the room, how could you, second dinner, what are you doing, it's a money grab, it's, you know, and so it's just funny to me, that it is this vicious cycle, if a card's bad, it's hated, if it's too good, it's kind of hated, make more mediocre, middle of the pack cards, second dinner, that aren't creative, I guess, right, like, there's just, it's just a tough solution.

Alexander Coccia: 13:19

This is like a preview for my second topic. Yeah, yeah, right,

Cozy Snap: 13:22

it's true, it is true, and to that point, you did say what are some cards you don't want her to copy. Very small, but like, infinite, you would take the text and they would maybe somehow get that card, which, you know, I was kind of thinking about. People are saying there's no way for them to get that card in most games, outside of maybe a couple, like, drawing games with the magic in there. But what's really cool is, as you guys know, if you play, it's kind of a popular deck. You know Darkhawk? You ever heard of him? Heard of it. Originally played. Korg and Rockslide. Do you know what they do? They pump rocks in the deck. You know what else they do? They

Alexander Coccia: 13:52

They, they sit on the board. They shuffle

Cozy Snap: 13:54

the cards. Oh, Korg

Alexander Coccia: 13:55

talks now.

Cozy Snap: 13:56

Dude, I love, the voice actor for that is, is awesome. They did such a good job for that, Korg. They shuffle your opponent's deck with rocks. So if you can, in theory, play copycat and then play Korg or Rock Slide, you are then giving them a chance, you're essentially putting a rock in their deck and you're giving them a dead static card.

Alexander Coccia: 14:14

Very fascinating. I hadn't considered that, Cozy. You're like ahead of the game there. You are correct. You will reshuffle their deck. I mean, does this bring back Howard the Duck?

Cozy Snap: 14:23

No, it never brings back him because he was never here. I don't know, besides that it may be like an Atillian, that's the only way your opponent's gonna get that said card. But let's go to transition a little bit. I will say, be on the lookout. Who is this for? In my opinion, this is for the person that can't make up their mind with decks they like to play, right? So if you want to be more competitive, I would say, and this is the next topic, or the third topic, You're gonna want to concentrate on a couple cards to build decks around, to make them good, and get good with that deck. Copycat is for the person that likes to play with a little bit of everything, and she can go in most decks. She's gonna be that kind of card that you can't replace. If that's kind of where you are in Snap, that's, that's what she's gonna serve.

Alexander Coccia: 15:06

Yeah, I can see this being pretty plug and playable into a lot of like good cards based decks. I see it like you brought up Hope Summers. One of the benefits of Hope Summers was that it had this very wide range of applicable decks in it. There were some obvious ones like Kitty Pride Bounce, stuff like that. And then there was even things like High Evo Plater because like having that extra energy being able to float and Pew Pew Cyclops, that's super valuable. And I feel like Copycat's in a similar position where like, there's gonna be a whole, you know, Gamut of decks that like the effect is just useful. The stats are great. The challenge is that of course we are in a 12 card deck building game. And so like, is she the 11th or 12th card in the deck? Right? Because the decks get so tight. But the effect is so unbelievably strong.

Cozy Snap: 15:47

I think she's worth it. I think she's worth it as that alternate condition. Most likely in a good chunk of decks not to mention Surfer, which I just can't play. You know, what would you play because this could kill the card a little bit Would you play as a four six?

Alexander Coccia: 15:59

Hmm. I'm, not sure. I haven't thought it like in my notes. I said surfer question mark I'm not sold on this being a surfer card because silver surfer cards have a very specific Goal attached to them like you're playing them as three drops for a very specific reason, right? And I feel like this one is too general and it's still good stats everything like that but like If the meta calls for it, you're going to want something like a gladiator. If the meta calls for it, you can want something like a rogue or a Red Guardian, and some of those cards get cut from the decks, right? So copycat while being extremely good, well statted and obviously information gathering, it makes me wonder if she actually makes those surfer decks because it's like the effect is too random. And I feel like Silver Surfer wants a very straightforward play pattern.

Cozy Snap: 16:42

I respect what you're saying in the sense of Surfer has become more destroyed in the sense of it is very selective on the cards you can play, the combos, you need one or the other, but I, the, what I see is she's working alongside the Surfer game plan, right? So she's not only just working with the game plan, but she's also like, Hey, maybe you don't get Surfer. Maybe you don't get one of those key cards like Brood. Now you've got a card with an alternate game plan that could not be the best play, but you're getting an ability no matter what. And she's that 3 5, right? And so it, it's gonna be a toss up. I'm curious what boat she goes with. I'm on the boat that she's probably gonna aid Surfer because she's doing what the deck's doing like Cable to Loki, but it is, you do bring up a good point. To the other point though, does 4 6 kill the card? If that's the route they go with to nerf her.

Alexander Coccia: 17:26

I think it probably does. I mean, 4 6 is a huge nerf, right? I'm worried about that. That's a massive, massive nerf. 3 5 is premium. 4 6 is like, brutally understated. Crossbones is a 4 10. Let's not forget.

Cozy Snap: 17:38

And that's what I'm nervous about. I'm nervous about all this excitement, right? All this excitement. Which, they didn't like, kill Red Hulk, so to be fair. But I'm worried about the excitement. It goes two to three weeks, she dominates, right? Just, she's, let's say she's just in so many decks. And they're like, we gotta tamer. They go 4 6. 4 7, maybe. But it's, even then, like, the, The boomer bust with her goes down so significantly, I feel like.

Alexander Coccia: 17:59

I feel like this can't be as soul crushing as a Red Hulk or a released Loki. Like, it's, it's gonna be phenomenal, but I feel like it can't be soul crushing the way those cards were. Like, there's no way you lose a game and you're like, Copycat! F! And you throw your desk. Like, that's not, like, Red Hulk had those moments, original Loki had those moments, but then again, I mean, Copycat can't, like, it's the turn three Galactus you were talking about, right? But you know you have Galactus in your deck.

Cozy Snap: 18:23

For those that watch Alex's stream, be sure to clip this moment right here whenever Alex does that on stream, and then just go ahead and send it to him if you don't mind. No, but I get what you're saying. She doesn't have the all encompassing power for the most part, right? Like, Loki's doing the whole deck, whatever. That would be my only fear with it. I think that's what a lot of, you know, whatever, commoners might say about if they do take care of her. Or maybe, you know, I just, what people need to understand is, A, there's not too many cards that she copies that suck. Infinite's one, I guess. Maybe the Hobgoblins you wouldn't play her. But the thing is, You don't have to play to get this effect, so she steals that text, and then you have that 3 5, and you're like, Hmm, cool, okay, like, I got a spectrum, I don't have ongoing cards, but like, okay, you have a 3 5, or you just don't play it.

Alexander Coccia: 19:01

Yeah, and I guess if she gets super, super popular, like a 75 percent play rate like Erishim did, everyone just plays Patriot, And baits baits cards to have their text removed, I guess that could be a possible counterplay if you're really huffin hopium, I guess.

Cozy Snap: 19:14

So, obviously, some of the best cards that she could copy. They're not all on reveal. Obviously, a good chunk of them can be on reveal. I mean, at the top of the list, it's the usual suspects. The, you know, the, the White Tigers and, and the, the Brood, the Hood. These are just, like, great value cards. But also, you got things like Ravonna Renslayer, a 3 5. That's not bad. Or Iron Man. Iron Man's ridiculous, man. A 3 5 double location, 10 power. That's a, that's a snapper. That's an instant one. What about Ultron? A three five Ultra Ultra. Oh,

Alexander Coccia: 19:42

it's interesting. Like three five Ultron would be cool. Like to hold in your hand. Yeah. Play in conjunction on turn six. Right. I had this thought of like, what are some like really high impact cards in the meta right now That would be amazing to pull. I think that Sage is a great, great example of a card like starting at 3.5. Like you get staged what in 20 power at times. Right. I mean, you talked about Ironman, which is on my list as well. Like absolutely wild. Even something like, like, you copy like an early Odin, right? And now you have that at three power. And then you're able to sprint, like you could combo like a, like an Ironheart Odin or something like that. And just that re, that redo of the ongoing effect. And they have no idea that they're not getting their, their card, right? Or Jubilee,

Cozy Snap: 20:21

or Blink, or Blink, Lockjaw. Those three are just like crazy effect cards to have down early, right? Lockjaw not being included. Three, five, Jeff right off the board. It's a Nocturne, right? Like it's just off immediately. Or Nocturne! It's the same card. But you know, at the end of the day, Galactus, Blob, it's not even that you're, the fact that you can play these on turn 6, these are the classic you save. Those big ones, you save. You let your opponent think they're gonna win, and then you pop them with a turn 6 Blob. But even something as easy as as tech cards, bro. InEvil, Shadow King, Shang Chi, Enchantress, you got Zabu activated for nothing.

Alexander Coccia: 20:58

It's true. It's true. I mean, something like a Spider Ham, right? You get, you play a 3 5 Spider Ham, and it's like, so many of these different effects are so powerful, but when you put them on a 3 5 body, suddenly it's like, oh, this is actually really awesome, right? And if you get something like an Apocalypse, you're like, well, Alex, this is useless. Well, no! You just took out their Apocalypse. They can't actually do the combo, and you know they don't have their Apocalypse in their hand, right?

Cozy Snap: 21:19

Exactly. And at the end of the day, you have a 3 5. Like, if this was, when drawn, generates a random ability in the game. Like, it would be, there would be so much more room for error, but the thing is, people make good decks. People have good cards and good decks.

Alexander Coccia: 21:33

Do you know what copycat crushes? Destroy. Think about it. Copying Null. Copying Death. Right? These are all cards that they really want to like, use as kind of like the coup de grande at the end of the game. You have this copycat that's now a, you know, well, 0 5 which isn't crazy, but it's still 0 5 for all those Sabretooth enjoyers out there. But realistically like, Null, it's like the Null power is just ranking, it's just kind of going out of control. And sometimes they don't even have the chance to play their Null. Right? The way the game plays out and all of a sudden you just slide, slam it down. That's absolutely nuts.

Cozy Snap: 22:01

You'd take the destroy effect, it's filthy. Like that, they worked so hard. Hopefully Top Deck and Knull this time and you're just sitting there. Like, thank you for the free 350 power, Knull, ready to go. Yeah, man, I agree. Alioth, crazy. Leader, Ornim, Zola. We can keep going. Just really solid cards that she can copy. I, I don't know. I'm a little worried. I think the gameplay is gonna be a lot of fun. Especially with Conqueror's Friday, right? Because like, it's like, this is gonna be just, Chaos, like this is just a great card with a lot of random output. Conquest. And any information gathering card is, has a bump up there, but she's already going to be great in a regular rank play. And so yeah, sky's the limit with the card. Again, the only contout that I can see is she's too good.

Alexander Coccia: 22:42

I have a bit of a, like, interesting take. Is this a shadow nerf to Iron Lad? Because technically Iron Lad's used to reach into decks, right? Often like a Hello Player is going to try and reach into the deck or Tribunal or whatever. Is there a chance that they're copying a card with no text?

Cozy Snap: 22:56

Oh, for the opponents. I was like, well, your own, what do you mean? But yeah, for your opponents. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's what I mean. They're trying to

Alexander Coccia: 23:02

use iron lad and you cop, you just rip the text off.

Cozy Snap: 23:05

Oh yeah. That's kind of wild. Yeah, I guess haha that's true. That definitely could be. I mean in higher or lower, I might have iron lad for you to guess in between. So his play grades kind of interesting at the moment, but that is a good take for sure. I think, does she make any and every deck? Just about right outside of like maybe ramp or something.

Alexander Coccia: 23:24

He can be played pretty much anywhere, honestly. And that's kind of where like, I think the experimentation is going to happen. You're very plug and playable in so many different decks. And you actually brought up a good point. Silver Surfer, I mentioned perhaps not the best spot. I'm still going to try her in there for sure. But disproportionately better in Conquest. So if you're in Infinity Conquest week and you're a Silver Surfer gamer, Copycat suddenly makes much more sense in those matchups, right? And so like there are a lot of cards like that, where suddenly like a, a matchup dependent card like Cable feels way better in, I mean, it feels good in regular gameplay, but in Conquest it feels even better. And that actually brings up my, my next kind of synergy. I've been a huge enjoyer of Baron Zemo, Despite the fact that the win rate is not all that high, it's just a fun deck for me to play. I really do like it. Do you think Copycat works well on those decks?

Cozy Snap: 24:08

Yeah, if you play, yes and no, right? Because once it's the word, and maybe that's like a weird surfer build you could do, but it's like, with Korg, I love that synergy as well in Rockside, but then you're almost like having to like, any time like Black Swan where you have to like, Change the layout of when you play a card sometimes. It can be a bit awkward, you know what I mean? Like, because you're trying to, you know. I think Mil could like this, because you're already disrupting and then you mess them up even more. So, with Baron Zemo, yes. With the core getting to the rock side, it's like, okay, the ordering could be awkward, when to play what, but I think Baron is a hot take, I like that.

Alexander Coccia: 24:41

The challenge with Baron I was trying to come up with with like some of my deck brewing in advance of this week was, how do I make it so that if I, like, There's the chance you have is that like you you copy or you strip their lowest cost card of its abilities Okay, whatever and then Baron pulls that card, right? That's the one issue where like you might actually You know copycat their lowest card and then Baron pulls that low card onto the field to play for you Which doesn't have an effect now and ultimately just takes it out of their deck

Cozy Snap: 25:11

Which is crazy to me because if she's in your opening hand Right, you're drawing it, then you just get to start the game with that information knowledge, which is then kind of cool for Baron, because then you can decide what you want to do there, and if it's a high or a low cost card, and kind of evaluate the deck that you're playing. That alone, I mean, dude, it's not just the energy cheat, it's not just the information gathering, it's the disruption, it's the full, it's just so many things compacted into one card, which is why we like things like Jeff, right, just movement, good stats can do this. Nocturne, movement, good stats can change location. It's multiple things in one.

Alexander Coccia: 25:44

And the information for snapping, right? Like, you might know on turn two or in your opening hand that they're not gonna get their Hela, or they're not getting their Black Knight, or they, they, you have their Darkhawk, right? And you're able to snap in a way that they, they don't know what they're drawing into for the next four turns.

Cozy Snap: 25:58

And that's, the, the cable, it can be obvious. You play cable down, you snap, and they're like, well, they definitely took the card I need. You, nothing gives, there's no giveaway that copycat's even in your deck. And think about a couple weeks from now, when she's kinda hot stuffin out of there, and yeah, she's gonna be within the meta. And then you just, you legit don't know what decks have copycat and don't. That's why I think she provides so much value into a lot of people that just need a card that can kind of be really flexible and carry immense weight. Jeff is flexible and he does have a lot to offer, but he's a 2 3 that can move. This is just such a great plug in option to just so many builds. I'll be transitioning, my friend, to a game called, I'll be transitioning, my friend, to a game called Higher or Lower. It's a game I used to play with, like, movies and different things like that when I was a variety streamer. A lot of fun to play, but we're gonna do it with Snap Cards based on Essentially, game scene. How many times this is in decks. It's ranked mode. All of the ranks are going to be counting for this last 30 days, right? So I'm going to say a card, I'm going to say another card. You need to tell me if that first card that I say is higher or lower than the second card in terms of game scene, right? So if I were to say Brood and Patriot, does Brood have a higher or lower game scene rate than Patriot? Or is he played in more games is the way that we're going to phrase this. Understand, good sir? I do understand. I feel like I'm on the prices right. Do you feel confident? I do.

Alexander Coccia: 27:16

Yeah yeah, yeah, I have my name badge, Alex. I'm just like going nuts in the stands.

Cozy Snap: 27:20

Come on down, Mr. Alex Coccia. You can win yourself a spot in the snapchat. We don't got rewards here. Someone sponsor us. Okay, so let's go and jump right in, buddy. In our first card here, in the middles of the screen, you guys can see we've got Magic versus Blue Marvel. Does magic have a higher or lower play rate? Or just in general in Dex.

Alexander Coccia: 27:43

That's a hard one. You gotta get started with it all hard, man. You couldn't have given me Unbaku?

Cozy Snap: 27:47

Yeah, oh, did you just start playing Marvel Snap? Did you just start playing? Okay, okay. I'm gonna go with Magic

Alexander Coccia: 27:52

has a lower play rate than Blue Marvel currently.

Cozy Snap: 27:54

Show me the board! You're wrong. I was trying to think of a great way to say you're wrong. Magic has a higher play rate than Blue Marvel, and you know, I, you're gonna love this dude, because I, you're right, I did not give this a chance. Easy for you at all. Right now, last 30 days, Magic, and I'm not gonna do this for all these because I'd have to scroll and find it, Magic is like, Like 12th, man, on the list of one of the highest games seen right now, which is very surprising. Blue Marvel's still very high, You're not like too far. She is about 12 spaces down. Blue Marvel's 12 spaces down from Magic, but no, definitely not correct. What do you attest to that? Do you think Magic's just in a lot of Combo builds.

Alexander Coccia: 28:35

No, I thought that like Gilgamesh Zoo is doing really good and I know it was a huge part of that man Like I think that Gilgamesh Zoo is legit. It's like a good deck man

Cozy Snap: 28:43

And just Blue Marvel is just I've typically was in a lot of I mean with the Iron Lad days He used to be in like near everything now. We're not gonna do this with all of them but we're gonna take Blue Marvel now, so now that's your new card versus Enchantress is Blue Marvel have a higher or lower play rate than Enchantress

Alexander Coccia: 29:01

Oh, last 30 days. Oh man, I don't want to be wrong again, but I would say Blue Marvel has to be higher than Enchantress.

Cozy Snap: 29:06

All right, and I understand that. I totally understand that, but sir, would you believe that Enchantress has been seen in 48, 471 games of Blue Marvel only in 43, 000 in the last 30 days? Is that Because of Airship. Oh yeah, does that not rock your world, man? Enchantress right now is in more games seen across all ranks and collection levels. Then, Blue Marvel.

Alexander Coccia: 29:26

After I said it, I'm like, Alex, you're wrong. It's like the Darkhawk mirror match in Aeroshim everyone's teching in Enchantress for. Why don't I just smarten up? I'm getting this next one right or I'm quitting the Snapchat. It's

Cozy Snap: 29:35

a wild game show. Hey, if you're listening right now and you're yelling it to the ether in your car and you've gotten it both correct, me and Alex just want to give you a soft golf golf clap right now. You can't hear it. The mic's covering up, but we did clap for you. Okay, next up we have Enchantress yet again. Okay, this will be the last one that we take to the next one. Does Enchantress count? Have she been in more decks, more games seen, than Absorbing Man?

Alexander Coccia: 29:56

Oh, man, that's so hard, but there's no way. Absorbing Man has to be higher. You got the Blob Synergy now. You have Brood and Absorbing Man. It has to be Absorbing Man. If I'm wrong, I'm done. I don't know what else to do.

Cozy Snap: 30:07

You're willing to go 0 for 3. Is this your final answer? You're scaring me, man. There's no way, there's just no way Absorbing Man is lower. I swear I want to be a game show host one day. You are correct. Enchantress has a lower play rate, er, er, game scene than Absorbing Man, who is higher. I think the margin is actually Pretty decent. Absorbing Man is, let's go ahead and check it out a fair amount. About, yeah, about 10 spots up. A little bit lower than Magic still, which is crazy to me. Absorbing Man sitting at 60, 000. Enchantress was down to the 43. So,

Alexander Coccia: 30:36

Alan Did you try and fake me out, man? Did you actually try to fake me out to change my answer to the wrong one? Hey, listen,

Cozy Snap: 30:41

I, I, I have to play neutral. I can't give you any special treatment, you know? I'm just, I'm just Stating, is it your final answer? I'm just looking out for the, for the company. I don't, I don't know what company. But

Alexander Coccia: 30:50

the way you said it though, it's like you were cueing me to change my answer. That, that was, that was like, shifty, man. You made me like, just, you made me dig my heels in on a, on a question that I thought I might have been wrong on.

Cozy Snap: 31:00

I was trailing my inner Regis Tillman over here for who wants to be a millionaire. Okay, next one up. We got about six more, okay? Knull versus Dr. Doom. Does Knull have a more game scene rate than Dr. Doom?

Alexander Coccia: 31:13

You know what? I would actually go higher on Knull right now. I think that Dr. Doom, while being good, is not seen in as many decks. His heyday was the Ms. Marvel days, but Knull Destroy is still so ever popular.

Cozy Snap: 31:23

You want to lock that in, Alex?

Alexander Coccia: 31:25

I hate that question.

Cozy Snap: 31:26

Yes,

Alexander Coccia: 31:27

final answer.

Cozy Snap: 31:28

Want to lock it in to those listening in the car as well? Yes, much higher, actually. Dr. Doom is pretty low in terms of play rate right now, which is Wild, because he was nerfed not long ago, right? And, and we had to take him back, and then we've always considered him kind of a perfect card. But Dr. Doom's at 27, 000 and Knull's at 36, 000, so pretty big disparity there in the last 30 days between them. Alex! You're two for two. You're making it up folks. Let's

Alexander Coccia: 31:55

just forget about the other ones. I got wrong. Yeah. Two for two is where I am right now.

Cozy Snap: 31:57

Yeah. Let's see if let's see. Yeah, no, wait, wait. Are you two? You got one, two, three. Nevermind. Wait, no, no, no. You've got two. You two for two, two for two. All right. No, sorry. Two and two. My bad. There you go. There's, you're just knocking off. Yeah. Those are the, those are the warmup questions. All right, let's go. Iron lad versus green goblin is iron lad. Have a more game scene than Green Goblin.

Alexander Coccia: 32:18

Cozy, I'm taking the lower on this one. Iron Lad, definitely lower than Green Goblin.

Cozy Snap: 32:22

I feel like I spoiled it a little bit on the pre show. I was like, Iron Lad, statistics are gonna surprise you. You know what, I gave you a freebie there. But hey, you're 3 2. I like it. Iron Lad, this that surprised me. I think Junk is obviously popular right now. But did you think that Green Goblin Would've had a higher play rate.

Alexander Coccia: 32:38

I think that the Viper change is bringing junk back in a really new way. And so I can see Green Goblin making a lot of decks. Hobgoblin would've been tougher. Cause I, that would've been closer with with Iron Lad. But I think that Green Goblin's pretty popular right now.

Cozy Snap: 32:51

Funny enough there's a 1% 0. 1 percent difference. 24, 460, 24, 402. So not a huge disparity. It was closer than you think. But you did nail it on the head. We got four more for ya. Sandman. Sandman. Versus Stature. Is Sandman higher or lower in terms of game scene than Stature?

Alexander Coccia: 33:12

This is hard, but I'll take the higher on Sandman.

Cozy Snap: 33:14

Take the higher on Sandman. Tell me why.

Alexander Coccia: 33:16

Because Sandman was seeing some experimentation with Makari over the last month. And I mean, Stature, I've seen some people play Stature, but like, I, that person's been drunk and I'm not sure what's going on there. Also Erishem. Stature Gamers out there, I guess, maybe, but I feel like there was an actual Sandman deck that might have made the card more popular.

Cozy Snap: 33:38

I see neither, is my answer, almost, like I don't see, I don't see many of them, but yeah, it has been a hot minute since like Sokovia hit me and someone's like, Aha! Here's a I don't even see a lot of disc card if I'm being honest. Like, outside of Hela and stuff, like traditional disc card, I don't see too much of that either. No, we're not

Alexander Coccia: 33:53

seeing a lot of it, yeah.

Cozy Snap: 33:54

Well, you're correct, buddy. Sandman has a higher game scene than Statue. Alex, you're you're hot right now. You're hot. You're 4'2 I just might take

Alexander Coccia: 34:02

my shirt off.

Cozy Snap: 34:02

4'2 Well, that's at the end. That's when you win, you get the new car. Okay, so hold on there, Skippy. Let's let's keep it PG for now. Guys, three more if you're doing it with doing it yourself, doing it in the car there. Sword Master. Yeah, I know. I was like trying to work out my phrase in there. Sword Master versus Arrow.

Alexander Coccia: 34:20

Higher or lower? This is so mean. That's, that's like savage, man. Like, these are so hard. Okay. Swordmaster versus Arrow, both completely irrelevant cards. One's cute though. Swordmaster is pretty cute. Yeah, pretty cute. You know, I feel like you're trying to, you know, I want to pick Arrow because that's what you want me to pick. And that's, you actually chose Sam, like, Swordmaster, and Swordmaster's probably the correct answer. But also the other side of it, like the meta of the way Cozy would approach this, is he wants me to pick Arrow so that he can talk about Arrow. I don't know. So, I'm really confused. I'm gonna go Arrow. Arrow being more of a No, there's no way. There has to be. Saiyaman still sucks. Not Saiyaman, Swordmaster. I can't even remember Arrow, final answer.

Cozy Snap: 35:00

He thinks he can crack the code, guys. He thinks he knows me. He thinks he can read this. Buddy, I talked

Alexander Coccia: 35:04

for two seconds and just rambled. I rambled for like, that whole speech. I don't even know what I said.

Cozy Snap: 35:10

Swordmaster, 0. 8 percent in game scene. Arrow. Is currently the lowest card in the game, game scene, right now. That's the wrong answer to you, my man. Swordmaster is higher than Arrow. Can you believe Arrow's got the lowest card? Index at this moment Marvel snap.

Alexander Coccia: 35:29

That's good things. You got nerfed.

Cozy Snap: 35:30

It's a good thing. She got nerf They took care of her. They took her behind the shed and killed her by my sweet arrow guys that blew my mind I could at this point Alex is gonna assume anything that I bring up a random card like sword master. He's just higher

Alexander Coccia: 35:43

There's no way. There's no way Alex. It's crazy me to think that like arrows actually that low like less played than strong guy

Cozy Snap: 35:50

It's tied with like Maria Hill. Oh my god. Oh my god. You're four You And three. Alright, so you're above 500. You're above 500. We got two more. Jean Grey versus M'Baku. Higher or lower?

Alexander Coccia: 36:02

Oh, M'Baku. I'm taking M'Baku higher. Has to be. ArishomGamers out there, unite. Let's go. M'Baku higher over Jean Grey. I

Cozy Snap: 36:09

love you can tell the cards that Alex plays against and or plays that he just knows. He locks it in, he's done. Is that your final answer, buddy? That's my final answer, 100%. Correct, yeah, no question. And Baku's got a much higher play rate than Aaron Seenwright and included in Dex than Jean Grey at the moment. Sad day for Jean Grey lovers, fans, and myself included. We're going to finish on our last one as Alex is guaranteed to have above 500 and guaranteed to get at least a new car. Helicarrier! Versus Doctor Strange.

Alexander Coccia: 36:35

That's so hard too, man. Because we had, okay, we got the Miles Morales buff. So, move gamers trying to like play move again. So there might be a spike in Doctor Strange. Hollow Carrier though, it was so meta relevant, but then Discard just kind of fell off. Not only because it's bad, just because I think people just got bored of it and stopped playing it. I think it's still good. I am going to go Dr. Strange, and I'm not, I'm not confident, but I'm going to go with Dr. Strange.

Cozy Snap: 37:01

Dr. Strange has a higher I'm going with

Alexander Coccia: 37:03

like the momentum, Dr. Strange is higher because of the Miles Morales buff. That's what I'm going with.

Cozy Snap: 37:07

Everything on the line, right now, you're going to lock it in?

Alexander Coccia: 37:11

See that, that question, it's, it's so, it's so complex. I don't know the meta of your, of your phrasing here. Okay, final answer Cozy, Dr. Strange.

Cozy Snap: 37:17

Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Coccia. Has won himself a brand new car. Alex, what are you picking? Is it your Costco favorite? Is it a minivan for the family? What do you want? You get to pick right now. Imagination land. What do you want?

Alexander Coccia: 37:29

I would like a Toyota Sienna.

Cozy Snap: 37:30

Three, two, one. We are out of those. You get nothing. All right, guys. Well, thank you for coming to this edition of Higher and Lower. Alex, you did a great job. Those were not easy questions. Want to know, comment down below how you guys think you did yourself. And thanks for, thanks for having fun with me, buddy. We're going to transition to our last subject though, as we do a little bit of a break here and go into. Free to play, best free to play picks, cards, and decks. And kind of the nurture of this conversation, Alex, is we have a lot of people that see cards like Copycat, they see cards like Fastos, or whatever plug and play cards, and they're like, I want it, but I can't get a lot of cards, right? And so, really the nature of this is there are cards that are plug and playable, and there are ones that you need to build around, and so I try to look at One card that can drastically, or two, drastically change the way you play Snap. The way you can be competitive, or have fun, or just get in there. Get in there with not a lot of investment, outside of just playing the game naturally, getting to pull one through three cards, with virtually, not a mockingbird, not some of these other cards you might see, but some easy ones to grab. We're gonna try to keep it between series four for most, and or just game changing cards there. And so Alex, I'm gonna go ahead and, and kick it off, and some of these I think you guys will know, but some of these Especially if you're either new, these are ones to target, man, right away. And I want to start with an obvious one because the nature of this week, right? Listen, there's a reason why Destroy is so popular. A, you get to kill stuff. B, it's really cool to see things go boom and go away. But in general, Alex, I feel like Destroy is such a great place to start the game and get things rolling, and it doesn't require a big investment. I, myself, would pick X23 before Knull. I think Knull is a great card as well. But snagging yourself X23 is a huge bump up. Arguably, you want both of them, but either or is a nice transition on how to learn how to play a deck. You don't have to have any cards to play the base destroy deck and then evolving into something more if you decide you like the archetype.

Alexander Coccia: 39:22

Oh, you're 100 percent right. In fact, X23 is what usually allows you to play Deadpool Null on turn 6, right? So, like, yeah, so, like, I absolutely agree. X23 has been a remarkably resilient card, and it's an absolute staple in Destroy. That's definitely a good call, 100%. And if you're a player who wants to, like, kind of be competitive Destroy is never going to completely take over the meta. But we've joked about it being the barometer by which all other decks are measured. It is one of the most consistent performing decks. It's always in the mid 50s. It's always relevant. It's never overpowering, but it's never bad either.

Cozy Snap: 39:54

Yeah, it's like the football team, guys, that has just such a great record. They're doing good. You know they're not going to win the Super Bowl, but they can win games. They can win games they're not supposed to. They can lose games they're not supposed to, but they're very solid and it's safe. There's not really a time where Destroy is out. I can't think of one that they're just, it's out, it's not worth playing, it's not good. Very safe pick, especially if you have this FOMO, should I get this card, should I get this card? You don't have to, because you know why? It's so hard to get new cards in Destroy. That list is tight. Very tight and definitely one of my favorites. Alex, you got a card for me?

Alexander Coccia: 40:24

Oh yeah, I mean listen, this is just checking an item off a box here. We talk about Loki, I feel like I talk about Loki every single time a topic like this comes up. We talk free to play players, collection building. Loki is an absolute paramount card to have in your collection. It's just It completely changes the way you play Marvel Snap the core shell of it, it does, I mean, you could have a couple expensive cards in it, but realistically, one of the most popular versions of Loki right now are like a devil dinosaur based shell that runs like Agent 13, and Agent Coulson like all those types of cards, and like you have them readily available. It's so remarkable what Loki can do. Moreover, if your opponent is, you know, a whale and they have all the cards, you're like, man, this guy's playing everything. We'll just steal their deck and play them for you. Right? Like, and you can start to learn like, Oh, blob is pretty cool. Isn't he? Oh, look at this. Like you can start to play with their combinations and stuff like that and get a hang of what cards you might be interested in, you know, investing in the future. I think Loki is a must have a hundred percent.

Cozy Snap: 41:21

Alright, but for me, I, listen, this is a little, maybe not off the beaten path a, a tad, but when I look at a card that you don't need anything that's great outside of just the one, right, you got all, pull one through three, and then one card, that can take a lot of decks by surprise, and it can beat decks if they don't have the counter. We just talked about her, her play rate being somewhat high, but I do want to continue to shout out Living Tribunal. I think Living Tribunal is a really interesting deck build that you just don't have to have a lot around. It's the Iron Man, it's the Onslaught, it's the Sera. There are cards that can complement it, but there's not a lot that are new cards that you add to this build. It's just a firm list and what it does great, right? And so I think Living Tribunal is beginning to be one of those really strong free to play decks now, if you could just invest in him.

Alexander Coccia: 42:06

And one of the benefits of Tribunal as well is until you're like playing against very experienced players that hire like MMRs or whatever it has a, it doesn't really show itself as obviously as some other decks. I feel like players, especially if you're relatively new and you're matchmaking against other relatively new players, Living Tribunal will be like a game stealer on turn six. I think that it's play pattern is less obvious than some other decks. And as a result, Living Tribunal I think can steal cubes for you.

Cozy Snap: 42:30

I just lost one the other day and I knew I was playing him, okay? I had a Sinister London Nexus game. And I, myself though, had Blob and a free Scar, and I'm like, double Blob, sucking up twice, going into the Nexus guaranteed. I'm like, dude, I, I don't care what this thing gets, I'm gonna win. I, I lost, I lost the game, and barely, I lost by one on one location. But at the end of the day, he's just, he can be hard to calculate on a quick game, good math, and the more you play him, the more you understand him. And cards like that, Are just invaluable. They're so great to have to your advantage there. So yeah, this is definitely one I don't see mentioned enough. Tribunal's up there, right? I would say I'm a little bit hesitant on Ravonna that can be in Tribunal decks right this second. Because of what they said in the OTA, that they're looking at her. If this was a few months ago, I'd say Ravonna is a safer pick, but I, I, I, I'm hesitant on her now.

Alexander Coccia: 43:16

Yeah, Ravonna also has the advantage of being a Series 4 card, so it's a little less expensive, which is nice. But, you're right, like, she is kind of in the, the, the crosshairs a little bit from the design team. Anytime you have a card that might be modifying design space, like, one of the reasons why we love Ravonna is like, well, every single card that comes out with those stat lines or any buffs that happen could potentially be buffs for Ravonna. It wouldn't surprise me that they're kind of looking at her, but I still think she's a great card, although much more niche than Tribunal. Another card that I think does a really good job of exactly what you're looking for What Tribunal did for all the reasons why Cozy explained was is High Evo. High Evo basically is an auto deck build. You get High Evo and you pretty much have everything right there. It makes that Cyclops you're wondering about like suddenly feel better. Right. And everything like High Evo isn't in the best spot right now. But I feel like if you're a relatively new player and you got, you got one card to buy and you decide to go high Evo, it's a deck you can be competitive with. It might require in the future, another series four or five card. I can see them releasing cards in the future to give high Evo a little bit. I think that's what Ajax was perhaps intended to do. But I think high Evo is a pretty solid choice as well.

Cozy Snap: 44:21

He's certainly not a bad place. And again, he's a card that the more you like and the more you can invest in, you go to the Ajax route. I also like that you can go to deck build paths with them. So he can kind of. Scratch two itches at once, but at the same time, he's just very, he's a good fundamental card to learn how to play the game, to learn to count energy, and just kind of learn around the basics, and he is the definition. Yes, you have to save up a little bit for him. If you play the game, you're going to get tokens. You're going to be able to get these cards free to play. He's a great candidate because, to our point, to Loki and to some of these cards, like Tribunal, you just don't need a lot around him, and he's the best point of that because they're all cards that you should have. Outside of maybe Wasp and a couple others for absolute free. So do like High Evo, good, great pick. No question about it. I think this one's obvious because of how much we talk about them. But if someone was starting out today and they just wanted to get like one car to just start building around, we did talk about how tight surfer lists are. But I, I just would be this to me. Why I love surfer is there is negative surfer. There's toxic surfer. There's make your own deck, be creative surfer. And then there's, you know, control surfer. There's so many versions of it. And you can build into it, because there's three custom cards coming out every freaking week, right? We've got Sebastian Shaw, we've got Infastos, you've got Copycat. Surfer might be the best, or near close, card that you can continue to build upon, learn, and perfect.

Alexander Coccia: 45:40

It's my favorite card in the game. It's my favorite archetype in the game. I can't stop playing it. I love playing it. And you're right, it is relatively inexpensive. Servings Series 3, then you have, like, the Killmonger, Nova package. And then from there, it's like, Just start putting stuff in there, right? Like, you can even put, like, Goose as your two drop if you don't have Jeff. There's a lot of creative things that you can do with Silver Surfer on a budget. Forge, relatively inexpensive. Brood's inexpensive. Absorbing Man is series, is series three now, is it? And I'm thinking. I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he went down didn't he? If he's Series 4, it's still relatively inexpensive too, but ultimately, I do think Silver Surfer is an absolutely fantastic call because for all those reasons, and depending on the, like, the meta, you can start teching in a lot of pieces into Silver Surfer, right? You got Rogues, you got Red Guardian you have Cosmo, which a lot of people forget exists. You have so many options, and if Galactus gets popular, use Polaris, right? You have lots of options with Silver Surfer depending on what the meta is.

Cozy Snap: 46:32

And then, obviously, man, Darkhawk. We know, we talk about plenty. Darkhawk's just a great card that's timeless. Timeless. It disrupts, it does its thing well. They've already adjusted enough. I don't know if he'll keep getting adjusted. Just a good card. In the game. Love him. You can grab him. To end the Snapchat here, Alex, I did want to touch on it. You guys may have noticed we don't have a subject on it. Quickly, the OTA. Just one of your general thoughts, man. What is like the biggest winners and losers in your book there? If you got some good time to play there. Kick us off pretty easy. I mean, I think Viper finally has her own fricking identity in the game and it's an absolute home run hit kind of getting a new card, if you will.

Alexander Coccia: 47:05

Yeah, Viper was by far the the biggest winner, I think this type, type of targeted ability. Think about what Blade was prior to Blade's targeted change, right? It's a perfect example, like, Blade was useless in Discard, and then now it's an absolute shoe in in every single Discard deck. And now Viper has that same optionality where it's like, Hey, I can play it in a location and not kick over my five costs that I didn't want to kick over. It's suddenly not the worst thing you can top deck on turn six. It makes so much more sense now, right? And so I really do like the change to Viper. What I will say though, I was a little disappointed with the change to Lockjaw. While I want Lockjaw to kind of be playable again, I like that rotation stuff, I want to go back to an idea that that we talked about on Snapchat several months ago. Where I think that Lockjaw, whatever power it is, three three, sorry, three costs, four costs, whatever. I think that much in line with the show the I was going to say the Immortals, that's not what it is. I can't remember, it was so forgettable. The Inhumans, the Inhumans show every time Lockjaw rotates something out, have it debuff itself. Negative one, negative one, negative one. I think that's a really interesting way to offset the RNG of, hey, I'm throwing something at Lockjaw, I'm paying in it for his power, but I'm also cheating something out. I think it's a very interesting way of approaching it. Make him a three cost again, but make him potentially get to zero energy if you keep rotating things through him. It's actually, it's legitimately in line with the lore, the fact that he gets tired when he teleports. That's what I would have liked to have seen.

Cozy Snap: 48:29

Yeah, I like that. That's a good lore point. I like three cost. I think three cost ultimately is his best home, because outside of Thanos and Jane Jaws, it's just hard to make work in much, and now we have things like this. Another Jubilee and Blink to play in him. He definitely is much better than he was, definitely much better. But I definitely like what you're saying with the with the three cars. Outside of that we had, you know, small adjustments to Sauron Werewolf by Night and Hitmonkey. What did you think of them? What do you think of the animals?

Alexander Coccia: 48:52

I don't think they really change much. Like, I played some Werewolf and I was like, you know, it still feels clunkier, does not have the The verticality that you'd like from what you have to like really commit to like you have to commit to a werewolf by night deck and it doesn't feel like it pays off in the way that like other decks will right so hit monkey it needed the extra power but i feel like there's better ways like if sasquatch exists right and and mockingbird still being what it is it's like those decks are more likely to not have to include hit monkeys still so kind of interesting spot for that card

Cozy Snap: 49:23

Yeah, I think Hitmonkey with Bounce definitely went up in that regard. Definitely, you know, you play one of the cards, the 3 5, you got the value there. And you're going to play more than one card. And then you've got like the pop off potential with things like Mysterio. It's kind of going into Mockingbird. Mockingbird getting nerfed, almost meant nothing in my opinion. Yes, I get it. But also, if anything, it's a buff to things like Nick Fury. The Hulkling coming out. You know, because decks that are dedicated, maybe it lowers her plug in playability a bit. But I often times got her so cheap anyway, right, in a ton of different decks. It'll probably make it a bit smaller and some of that more wide scheme stuff, but yeah, Mockingbird is It's still pretty filthy, buddy. I can't believe they gave her power alongside it too.

Alexander Coccia: 49:58

I think that's actually a nerf. I think the 610 is a nerf. Cause

Cozy Snap: 50:01

if, no, no.

Alexander Coccia: 50:01

What I mean is that like, if the power's a nerf, because if you play her out early, now she's very susceptible to shanchi. Before she was like, if she was a 6'9 I think that'd probably be better than a 6'10 not necessarily, like in some circumstances, because Mockingbird, you were able to play her on turn three, just like, What are you gonna do, bro? Nothing. You can't do anything about this card.

Cozy Snap: 50:19

I, I do agree. I do agree. I will say this, like, so if you play it like a Scar package, it, but, talking about a glow up, man, Scar's had so many cards come out to really help the guy out, like, he's consistently two. Can, like, consistently two at this point, and, and he loves this, but I hear the Shang Chi thing a lot, and it's like, dude, people can't Shang Chi every lane. Like, they can't Shang Chi every single lane, right? But I do get what you're saying. The Kaira synergies there as well a bit, and sometimes like holding on to Mockingbird is fine in play. I get what you mean though. You do have that added risk, which should be, you know, added to her. Because if you're going to play her out early, like Sasquatch, you best expect that you could get punched in the face.

Alexander Coccia: 50:56

Buddy, it's so simple. Everyone says, oh, you can't play Shawn Chi everywhere, okay? You pump Hope Summers, right? Who actually is a great free to play pick, by the way. You pump Hope Summers hard, right? And then, that's gonna be taken out of context. And then what you do is you play Shawn Chi, you Grandmaster. No, no, Shawn Chi, Absorbing Man, Grandmaster. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

Cozy Snap: 51:18

Okay, love it. Done. There's the deck. Yeah, we saw that for a little bit, man. There was like the triple tech deck for its advent, the Enchantress, the Absorbent Man, the The Grandmaster play. I like what you're putting down. You

Alexander Coccia: 51:29

mean pretty much every Areshram deck? Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 51:33

Well, we're going to talk about that more. And then lastly, Blob, which I think is fine. And a number of reasons why funny enough, we just talked about this whole interaction and then bam, he's taking care of the XOTA right?

Alexander Coccia: 51:42

Cozy, it's been a fun week in Marvel Snap. We've got a new card in Ajax. We've got a ton of Airsham gameplay. We've got a lot of discussions that I think are going to be really interesting on this Snapchat episode here. But how are you doing today, buddy?

Cozy Snap: 51:56

I'm good. Speaking of interesting, you won, if you, if you watch my side or you've listened to it, or you're just listening now, you won a brand new card. You won a Sienna. Sienna. And I wanna know I wanna know what A you're gonna do with this new car, and why. Why'd you pick that?

Alexander Coccia: 52:12

Yeah, so basically Cozy had me on the higher or lower on his side of the Snapchat there, and he asked me when I won my card that she, that he then said didn't exist, and it was the Teodosan I picked, and here's a funny story buddy, so my wife and I, we have four kids, and we recently went up north, we went to a little cottage up north, and we piled all the kids into the car, and my daughter sits like, In this pop up seat in the trunk. Right. And like, we piled all our stuff in and it was like crazy. Like we had stuff on our laps and because I had to put like a luggage behind like my seat, I had to like get scrunched up while driving. Right. Not enough room. My wife's like, we need to buy a minivan. It has to happen. We need to buy a minivan. I'm so cheap. I'm like, no, we're not buying another car. It's like, well, this is ridiculous. She's like, no, we've got to buy a minivan. So I'm like, okay, fine. We go car shopping. Right. We're doing, we're doing it. Like we've been looking around a little bit, but this, this weekend we got serious. We went to Honda, we checked out the Odyssey, right? My wife's like, yeah, it's good, it's fine. We went to Toyota, right? We got all the kids with us, right? We got all the kids with us, we go to Toyota, and the gentleman is like, trying to show us the Toyota Sienna. And like, the Sienna's like, their, their minivan. And I'm just, do you kind of just, like you, do you know like when like, in the Doctor Strange movie, when the the, the, the lady who's training Doctor Strange, like the Grandmaster, whatever she's called, she punches him in the chest and he leaves his body and enters the spirit realm? Do I'm talking about?

Cozy Snap: 53:30

I do, I'm so, I'm so curious how you're going to tie that into this story. Yes, I definitely, I, I'm aware, I'm aware.

Alexander Coccia: 53:37

Okay, so I had this moment, I had this moment, where like, I basically, that was me, I lifted out of my body and I was in the spirit realm, and like, I'm listening to this like, This guy tried to explain why reclining and shiftable seats in this minivan are so important while my wife's listening and I look over and the baby is like our one or one and a half year old is like repeatedly punching the like automatic door opener on the door and it's like opening and like my other two, like my daughter and my son, they are like inside the car just going crazy. So I like they're making noise. I can't even hear. And then my three year old, who's being potty trained, right, he's, he's, you know, he's doing his best to be potty trained. I look over to him. And he's pooping his pants. He's just in the, he's in the dealership. He's standing there and I can see in his face, like I can see that he's grunting one out. And my wife looks at me. She looks at him. She's like, he, she, he, she goes over. She's like, excuse me. She goes over, she looks at me. She's like, she pooped his pants. And then the guy comes in and he's like, sir, can I talk to you for a second? Cause he's, he's doing the evaluation on my used car. So I walk outside. We're looking at my Kia Sorento. He's got his notepad. And he's like. He's like, I don't think these, these numbers scratching the side of the car are going to buff out. And he's taking notes. I'm like, okay, so now my kids destroyed my trade in, they crap their pants in the showroom. Did a little poop come out? No, he was very, he's wearing very tight whiteys, like tidy whiteys, very tight. He likes them tight. And so they were able to contain, they were able to contain. But there's some things that can't be contained, like, you know, the

Cozy Snap: 55:15

aroma. I can see, I can see the guy, like, kicking your tires, he's like, you know, the treads on these aren't too bad, and Alex is, like, trying to, like, quickly, like, shuffle the poop from the first seat of the van. Like, dude, I that's it. That kid, I am scared. I was going to say Scare Pistolas, that kind of works, of potty training. I've heard a lot of stories. I've had my, my, my brother's kid just peed in the middle of the store. And it's like, how do you tell the store owner? I'm sorry that my kid peed on your floor. Like, it's just, you get yourself in some fun conversations. I can't imagine with four, how many you have to go through.

Alexander Coccia: 55:46

Yeah, man, it's difficult, but you know what, buddy, I believe in you. I think you'd be able to potty train yourself. I think you'd be okay. Well, one would figure it out.

Cozy Snap: 55:51

One would call that poop toxic. And you know what else is toxic, Alex?

Alexander Coccia: 55:54

Ajax? Ajax's win rate is definitely toxic right now. 48 percent Cozy, 48 percent win rate, a negative cube rate of 0. 06. 12 percent of the meta, people tried him. It's the weekend missions right now, people are trying to play Ajax. Probably the best way to play Ajax is play a good Airstream deck and put Ajax in and don't play him. But that's a whole other conversation. Now, we came in pretty hopeful, and I was particularly hopeful. Honestly. We came in at 3. 5. Do you

Cozy Snap: 56:24

think he met expectations? But what did we say? We did say this first week was gonna be a nightmare. So, like, we check. Like, I It's so funny when, like, we call that out, and then we're, like, surprised that he's back. Like, yeah. Also, he's a toxic card. Winner rate is special on these. I'm always a little bit hesitant for it, because I'm like, yeah, you're literally playing with fire, as I always like to say. And Cassandra Nova, right, could help out. Put this all together, and he's still pretty dumpster. I think, yeah, he It just, it reminds me, and we did compare this, kind of just like the Ronin to the Devil Dinosaur, like Ronin, you're having to do these things to make it work, and even then, the end result, it's a five, and it's, you know, it's kind of tough to pull off. Definitely not three and a half. Yeah, I think, I think he's more in the lines of two and a half, and I'm interested on how Cassandra, as just a powerhouse card in there, kind of feeds into Ajax's later play, because you have two vertical lanes, and then you have multiple toxic stuff happening, but yeah, definitely, definitely underwhelming.

Alexander Coccia: 57:18

Yeah, no, it's, it's definitely been underwhelming, and you gotta work really hard. So just to get the effect to work, like I was doing like typhoid Mary stuff and then Ajax into mystique and like, you're debuffing your whole side just to give Ajax additional power. But the challenge is it's like this trade off of like, he's only getting plus one. And I almost wonder if he was like lower, if he was like a five, one, but he gained plus two per cut part card on your side or on their side that got, but I wonder if that plus two would make a better. Like impact, because like you're trading that negative for more of a positive. However, he just felt really awkward. Although, and I will say, we talked about like, oh yeah, obviously Luke Cage is problematic against Ajax. He completely shuts them down. I didn't even play against that much Luke Cage. Like, honestly, like I did not see much Luke Cage, but my Ajax plays were like. Underwhelming, just very difficult, wonky, it just didn't feel as good as I was hoping.

Cozy Snap: 58:11

Well, because you can't guarantee you're gonna get them to, like, I think Luke Cage also being in it these Ajax decks were important because you had to have a backup, like, you're doing Ty Ford Marys, you have to have a backup plan, and that was, was so tough, the identity is a bit mixed on what you want to do with it. I do think people got carried away with trying to get insanely big Ajax. I think you can get respectable numbers just doing the opponent's side, I will say that. And I want to see that develop. But yes, people definitely didn't play a lot of Luke Cages. Like, you didn't have to worry about that a lot. And, like, Annihilus was that puzzle piece for Junk. He is not that puzzle piece yet for Ajax. A very hyper competitive toxic deck. I still think he's marginally fine, right, but he's not transcendent by any stretch of the imagination.

Alexander Coccia: 58:53

Would you be against him being changed to be basically like a toxic version of Gilgamesh? Like, if Gilgamesh can be a 5 9 that gets plus one for everything positive on your side, can Ajax be a 5 9 that gets plus one for every negative on their side? 4

Cozy Snap: 59:09

4 on going, or, or that. Sorry. Oh, okay.

Alexander Coccia: 59:12

Yeah,

Cozy Snap: 59:13

like literally the

Alexander Coccia: 59:14

inverted Gilgamesh straight up. yeah

Cozy Snap: 59:17

I think that's fine and I still think then just like devil would be play more than Ronan, he still is not crazy. So yeah, I think that's, I think that's definitely fine.'cause you're averaging then a much, much higher threshold problem is, and it's a big one. Are you ready for this? Gilgamesh was a season passcode so they could sell it, so I don't think it, you know what I mean? Like he got much faster treatment. So that's where I don't see that happening.

Alexander Coccia: 59:36

Yeah. But then again, Hydra Bob got buffed really fast. So maybe Ajax gets buffed as well. Cause they clearly want anybody that pulls these cards to feel like they got, they got a winner. And you don't want to feel like I got Ajax. Great. I'm never playing this garbage. They want you to be like, actually excited to get Ajax. And in their defense, we came in pretty decent. And I actually liked this card going into the season. It's very possible that like with this being a kind of archetype defining could not even archetype defining, but. It's a major core component to that archetype. It's probably hard for the development team and their testers to really get an idea of like the, the gamut of releasing this card to the greater population. It feels like it had higher potential than it delivered on. You know what I mean? Like it felt like this card has got to be good, right? Like there's got to be, someone's got to figure out the deck that sends this to like, 19 power consistently or whatever it is.

Cozy Snap: 1:00:28

We're in a bad, we're in a bad week, but you also, like we said this last week, and it's a bad example, but if there was a Cosmo for the whole board, right. Which actually interesting concept on reveal both sides, right? So your side and their side. But anyway, if that existed, you know, how many on reveal cards would be like, Oh man. But like, all they have to do is insert that, you know, that's the problem. The Luke Cage counter is just so much. It's just so heavy. It's just extremely heavy at that because even with Cassandra Nova, we don't know how stealing is going to work. I. Yeah, I don't know, but at least it's gonna tame their side, not your side or whatever. But, the reason I like Cassandra Nova, I've seen people say it's not gonna be a big difference to him. I disagree. I think that you, if she can truly carry the weight vertically, you have an early play at that, and then you can work with him a bit more and a bit more flexibility there in the way that he works. I also wish that we had some type of a Toxic card, I guess. Maybe this is wishing for too much. That's a 1 cost, that isn't Selene. That, like, him at 4 cost was so cool, because you had that potential Hazmat in Ajax play. Even then though, there's just too little play. I think, I do think it's interesting that Hazmat and Ajax, they're the only two you kind of need to make his thing work. But yeah, 5 9 would be sick with just Hazmat and Jax.

Alexander Coccia: 1:01:38

Yeah, and I mean, they did buff Viper, so in theory, Ajax and Viper could see some tandem play together to improve that junk archetype, like, you know, you might see, like, Debris into Viper, into Ajax, then like a Hazmat Wong combination, right? But in my experimentation, he just felt somewhat underwhelming, and in my opinion, Gilgamesh is just simply better, like, not even close, it's not even close to how competitive they are.

Cozy Snap: 1:02:00

But Gilgamesh had a very similar feeling to Ajax that first week. Like he did, like, wah, eh, just doesn't do enough, doesn't have the pop off. And then 5 9, it's like, okay, he's respectable. It's not, like, super meta, but he's respectable now, you know. I, but the problem is Gilgamesh just synergizes with better cards, I think, at the end of the day. As does something like Devil Dinosaur. It's kind of the same thing. That's why I just keep going back to the Ronin and Devil.

Alexander Coccia: 1:02:23

It felt like when I was trying to play and brew Ajax, I felt like I was walking on, like, hot coals. You know that old saying, like, you're walking on coals? Like, it's like, you're trying to get the power up, but then you have to work so hard for it. Because, like, you're debuffing, you're debuffing yourself, you're playing cager, you're not playing Luke Cage, you're doing all this type of stuff. It's like, I could've just slammed down Blob. You know what I mean? And

Cozy Snap: 1:02:43

like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, 100%, you are working very hard for a smaller result. And on top of that, it's like, you get hazmat, and you're like, That's the only play on turn two. You're not going to play her to just like, okay, what do I do? So it'd be interesting. Like if hazmat was on go ongoing card, negative one across a, you know, the whole, whole board, it would be a big nerve to your side, but the way that she works out and then you can play it earlier, I don't know, just spitball in here, but yeah, that's, there's a lot of awkward mechanics and puzzle pieces to make him As a whole package, awkward.

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:10

And one thing I kind of want to bring to your attention as well is like, he is not performing well in Evo at all. And it brought a question to my mind and I'd like your kind of input on it. Is Ajax, I feel like should have been a good card in Evo and the fact that it's not, is that indicative of Evo? Slipping a little bit and needing more love, or is that kind of a showcase in Ajax not being good enough?

Cozy Snap: 1:03:32

Both, I think Evo definitely suffers. I mean, there's the big red guy we can talk about alone. Who's just like the loop cage to Evo and his popularity is through the roof. So you've got that, but yeah, definitely Evo's hurting, and I think they've already said they still have more ideas down the line for Evo, like they're working on that. And then when they say that, it takes forever, and on top of that, they never confirm what that was. Like, you know, like, they never say, ah, this was what we were talking about, you know, four posts back. But yeah, I think it's indicative of both.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:00

It's kind of funny because you said like Red Hulk is the Luke Cage to Evo, it's like also Luke Cage is the Luke Cage to Evo as well. Let's not forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It also takes a steaming dump on the card. At the end of the day for me, I think Ajax is a pass. If you pull them, if you pull them going for, you know, the other goodies, like the Dark Hawks and stuff like that, then like, I think it's probably fine. I think the second inner seems to be kind of dedicated to making sure that every new card is at least somewhat playable. It wouldn't surprise me if a month down the road, there is a toxic deck with the new Viper that runs Ajax. That's solid. That's like, that's the one thing I feel the people out there that are like, Alex, you're telling us not to get it. And then it's going to get buffed and it's going to be in the top meta deck. Screw you, man. It's like, I, I get it. There's some, like, FOMO frustration there, but, like, other than that, like, right now, as of recording, Ajax is a skip.

Cozy Snap: 1:04:45

And you can't just do that with every card, right? So, like, Cassandra Nova, like, could she have a deck that's best, like, her best potential is with Ajax and Cassandra? Yes, but she's also just a good card, and she's gonna be fine without, she's gonna be fine without him. So, you know, either way you look at it, I think you're gonna be okay passing on him, but also, if he's a 5 9 and Cassandra comes out, good God, he could be really good, so we'll see how that goes.

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:07

And our next topic of discussion is the villains of Marvel Snap. Now, Cozy and I, we like to discuss this every once in a while. And what prompted this discussion was a very interesting little situation on Reddit. Where, quite frankly, I was laughing in real life. Because we had two posts back to back. Ereshim isn't broken, one subject line said. And the subject immediately underneath is, I can't believe second inners devs think that Ereshim is fine. The duality of man, Cozy, the duality of man. People are saying Erisham's not broken, other people are saying they're gonna quit the game because Erisham's tilting them out. Is Erisham a problem?

Cozy Snap: 1:05:44

First of all, you brave soul, go into Reddit. It is a special, special group. Yeah, I man, man players are gonna quit the game. Man, I'm, I'm shocked. Yeah, I, listen, I, I trust the devs here, obviously, and I don't give a Don't call me a shill here! It's like, they've got the data that I we don't have, and so if they don't think he's a problem, statistically, statistically, he's not. But then you go back to the problem of, right, maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but maybe you go back to the problem of, like, is it a feel problem, right? Which, to me, it's on the line, but I would say no. Like, Galactus, Alioth, those directly felt really bad, right, because of the things that they did to prohibit you playing the game. Whereas Eresham I just don't think that's the case there. You in agreement? What do you think?

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:29

No, I agree a hundred percent. Like Airshim, I don't think is, for me personally is not nearly as tilting as like Release Alioth was. Not nearly as tilting as like the, where the Wolverine wave Galactus era, where he was absolutely just crushing everything. But, to the same degree, we joked last week about someone sending in a message that was like, Yo, I'm sick of getting blobbed four times, and like, we kind of laughed about it. And sure enough, you know, I get a Twitter mention like, Hey Alex, here's, it's not four blobs, but here's three. I'm like, oh, how the hell did that happen, right? And it's like, so I can totally see why the play pattern can be frustrating at times. But like, in my experience, like, I've actually thoroughly enjoyed playing Erishim. And it feels like the kind of card that, like, it's okay to like. Like, it feels particularly fair, and I think it has lots of dials to adjust as well.

Cozy Snap: 1:07:17

It goes back to what I said on our side, on my side, man. Just, period, full stop. Airship's a super fun card. He's super fun for the game. I think he's just, that's it. We get too caught up, they get too caught up with the meta. I think, yeah, too caught up with this is competitive now. If it's, Ultimately making the game less fun than that's a counter, you know, subject to what I just stated but in this particular one, it's like, you'll be fine. It's a fun time. It's good. I think it's good for the game.

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:41

Yeah, for the launch, he was at like a 70 something percent play rate. Currently, as of today recording, he's at a 31. So he's dropping considerably. Remember Red Hulk was over 30 at his heyday as well. And so like these cards are going to maintain their popularity for a while. And that's fine. I also think the card is really good for weekend missions. Like for the example, like this week is Man Thing and Ajax. If you don't want to make a Man Thing, Ajax deck and throw cubes away, make an Airsham deck. Throw those two cards in and just run with it. And then when you get the weekend mission done, take them out. Right? I don't think that's the intended feature, but that's, that's the idea there. I just think the card's fun and I'm glad people are having fun again. And if you're a little frustrated, just take a break, take a little break and let Arishem settle down a bit and don't worry, we're more than happy to help.

Cozy Snap: 1:08:25

And there's, and if they needed to, there are plenty of dials on him to adjust. So if they needed to, there's plenty, and they can add more cars to the deck and they can keep adding more to make your deck that you made less consistent. And ultimately, I kind of think that's fun too. I like the idea of the true random chaos of it. That's where I have fun where I'm putting in like the mockingbirds. It's like, you know, okay. But the fun lies of trying to make a shocker in a Captain America work kind of thing.

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:47

Yeah, man. And like, listen, I absolutely agree. That dial is probably the one they should go to. If they decide to reduce the consistency of the tech cards, add to the deck. Cause yeah, listen, I totally get it. I was like in a match of like gold conquest or whatever. And someone literally shunched me and played their blob. I was like, how'd you get both of them? How did you get both? How do you have everything you need, man? How'd that happen? Right. And then of course, when Baku comes out and wins, it's like, of course and Baku was in your deck.

Cozy Snap: 1:09:11

And not to mention, Cassandra will be is kind of built to be a really strong counter to him. Like, extremely 20 plus power, you know, or, you know, 17, 16, 15, whatever, is going to be kind of nasty.

Alexander Coccia: 1:09:26

And honestly, like, I love, I actually really like Ereshim, and I actually took it to the complete opposite of competitive Ereshim. I made a deck called Cope Ereshim. Cozy, I put every bad card in the game. I had Uatu, I had Umbaku, I had Rescue, I had Crystal. Every card that people were like, yo, that card sucks, I'm like, I'm putting it in there. I'm putting it in there. I had Electra in there. And you know what, Cozy? I ran like a 58 percent win rate live on stream. And it was so much fun. M'Baku coming from the top rope, the whole thing cozy. Uwatu showing me that right location, oh, it was just chef's kiss. And I, to the point I played so much Uwatu and M'Baku, that when I stopped playing them, and I started playing more competitively again, not knowing that third location, I'm like, I'm actually stressed now. I'm actually stressed out not having Uwatu in my deck.

Cozy Snap: 1:10:09

I never not double negative, but I never not smile when Embaka comes flying on the board. Like, I just think it's always, and especially because now with Airstream, it surprises both players sometimes. Like, if he's not in the original build. I think it's just a, it's a joy.

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:22

Yeah, you see him come out twice. I really like when, like, he does a thing where he's like, no room, and he just pops his head in on the corner. That's an underappreciated thing in Marvel Snap, I think. Yeah,

Cozy Snap: 1:10:31

yeah, yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:32

But there are more villains. There are more villains, not just Erishim, okay? So Cozy and I, I think we're on the side of, we're kind of happy Erishim's there, but maybe a little dialing here and there with some internal statistics. But there are some cards that I think are super, super pissing me off. And Erishim is kind of, It's cuz, cuz of Airsham, okay? Cozy, I have a beef with Dr. Octopus, I don't want to see Dr. Octopus on turn 4 anymore. Like, that's actually pissing me off, and it's kind of Airsham's fault. And this is the thing, so Airsham is allowing people to play turn 4 Doc, Doc, Doc Octopuses. So people are getting mad, because they're like, Airsham's doing this crap, his deck's annoying. But maybe it's the Doc Ock that's annoying. Maybe we need to make some changes here, Cozy. Maybe he needs to go out to the Dog Pound.

Cozy Snap: 1:11:13

And if I would have thought Doc Ock would be complained about Remember he was on my number one hated card list at one point in time? I forgot when that was, but it was like, a long time ago. Cause he's definitely that definition of will never be played or he's played. And I do also think in turn he's very important to counter combo decks. I think he's Like that's what he does well. I don't know what to do with him though. I'll be honest. He's not one that he's not one that specifically like pisses me off a lot. Like it happens and it's frustrating. But it is a gamble at the day. Right. So me personally, right? Like it doesn't, but so I, because of that, I don't know. I haven't put, thought of like, what do you do with them?

Alexander Coccia: 1:11:47

It's hard, man. I'm not sure either, but Let's play a, let's play a higher or lower. Who's getting more play right now, Cozy? Dr. Octopus or Loki?

Cozy Snap: 1:11:55

I was gonna say higher. Whatever it is, it's higher. Because that's, yeah, no, no question. Higher. Higher, higher, higher, for sure. For sure. It

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:01

is higher, buddy. Isn't that crazy, though? Like, you're talking about Doc, like, Loki was one of the key synergies of Erish. I mean, Dr. Octopus has a 26 percent play rate right now. 26 percent one in four games Doc Ock is saying hello.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:12

If he does prove to be a problem, I think it would be really cool to give him some obscene stats, but then make him 6 cost. So he's the last player in the game, and it's literally the biggest dice roll, right? Because you're playing out big time power, you could play him into a lane that's full, so you have that going for you, right? And then it's just like, well, I hope, I hope this does, you know, I hope this will seal the gap or whatever. I think that's, that's a potential solution. Yeah, but

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:33

then again, they can still play him on turn 5. And still have a massive play on turn six.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:38

Well, he's a five now. He should have been fine. I think that's fine. I think that's okay. I think it's, I mean, Aarish is

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:42

cheating him out early. That's why people are getting pissed because he's coming on a turn four.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:47

But he could have come out on four on Remtex a long time ago with Elektra, right? That's just my point. Like I get, I get it. It's a hot topic right now, but that, and maybe I'll get flack for this. And it's maybe personally, because I haven't gotten angry with him as a card, but I guess, I, it's like, you know, maybe the conversation is, there's been there for like the, the loud subjects right now, right, but we're not like politicians of Snap, it's more of, like, when does this stop, right, where it's always someone, always something, which is why Villains of Snap is a repeat subject, right, it's a repeat subject for a reason. But it's always something, and is it just popular at the moment? And then do they nuke Doc Ock, and then we don't see him ever? Or whatever, you know? I just don't, I, I, I, I guess I would trust their statistics, I guess, because they would know it there. But it's like, when did we draw that line, right? I don't know.

Alexander Coccia: 1:13:33

The other thing is, is I'd like to know the statistics of how often Dr. Octopus shanchees himself.

Cozy Snap: 1:13:38

Yeah, that's got to be somewhere up there. No, but I want to hear your take on this. I want to hear your take on this. Like, when do you draw that line, right? Because, like, you're mad at Doc Ock right now. So, like, when do you stop or when do you look at it? Okay, it's just like a hot subject. It's a lot of voices, the loudest voices in the room. Now, there's times you have to listen to those voices, the Galactus of old, but sometimes, maybe it's just a hot, the Statue of Old maybe could have survived, right? And it didn't have to go through out then in or Captain Mar whatever, is my point.

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:05

It's, I, I love what you're asking me because it's a perfect example of I'm pissed off about this thing, and I'm voicing that I'm pissed off about this thing But I also don't know how I would fix it if I was Glenn Jones. Like if I, if I'm on Second Interest's team I don't know. I don't, I'm honestly, I don't know what I do to Dr. Octopus to make him feel better. I know that it feels bad to have him being played on Turn 4 But I also don't know what the solution is. I also think he's a really cool card and I don't want him out of the game. You know what I mean? Like, I think that his effect is neat. The fact that Shang Chi and like comes out and punch them out, like 90 percent of the time, that's good flavor. I like that, but I don't, I don't know. I don't know. It's like, but you, you ask a good question. Like, you know, I'm sitting here complaining about a card, but I asked, I have no reasonable. Solution to provide. I'm just ing

Cozy Snap: 1:14:52

and I Well, I get it though.'cause it is a hot topic, right? And so it's like, and people don't understand, like, if I made a video directly about Dr. Octopus and the whole video is about featuring him playing and abusing it and then like showing it and like, this is like, that would make me a lot of use and turn money. But like, I just, that's just not who I am as a. Like, that's just not what I like to do. It's just not what I'm in here for, right? So it is, yeah. It's like, what do you do at the day? But I also do think, to your merit very much, and we both agree on that, it is important to bring up what we are seeing kind of populate in the Snap community and come up and have discussions about at the end of the day. But yeah, personally, DotGoc, I think I've seen, trust me, by the way, I've seen, I've seen the hatred. I've seen it on, on, on, on X, Twitter, whatever. But yeah, on this one, I I'll let it, I'll let it settle for a little bit. Like, Werewolf by Night's a good example where he had to get nerfed because of how he was leaning into junk in the builds. And then like, look at him now, like, we just said he's not good. So there's like, timeliness of some card combinations that come out. That, that, that's all we would see. But, some is, is a brief window. And I don't know how long this window has been, I guess.

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:55

Yeah. And I think the solution might be, as you mentioned prior, like add two extra cards to the Airstream deck, reduce the opportunity that someone who has Dr. Octopus in their Airstream deck draws it. Because if we're seeing it 26 percent of the time right now. Perhaps if you make it so that instead of drawing 37 percent of your deck, you draw only 30%, that's going to take down Dr. Octopus, right? Because now it's going to be drawn less often, played less often as a result. And that might be a balancing factor for Arishemul, not hurting other cards like maybe Quinjet or whatever else that aren't as problematic. Okay, Quinjet has very obvious counters, like it's countered by Enchantress, Rogue, Killmonger, etc., right? Dr. Octopus doesn't have that, so I mean, so I think the dialogue you talked about before might be actually the most prudent. But we'll move on from Dr. Octopus for now, like, it's I know it's frustrating, but at the same time, it's like, I don't, I don't know. It's a tough solution. Like, I don't envy Second Dinner's position here where people are like really vocalizing disdain for, for a card. And like, they have to try to solve it, I guess.

Cozy Snap: 1:16:57

Yeah. It's a tough position to be in because you have like Shuri who like definitely needed that switch, like the Shuri of old and there's clear and obvious. It's clear and obvious. Sometimes they're way too clear. Like Red Hulk, what are you guys thinking? How did you, how did you release him on, on release guys? Alioth, again, what are you thinking? Mobius, whatever. But then you have the side of it's like the hood got changed, Quinjet, remember Quinjet got changed? Like what? We can't play our zero cost now or we can't do for zero cost or whatever. And so it, I just don't envy that position. Yeah, that's tough.

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:27

Yeah, and another recent card that came out that's been very, I will say popular, running over 20 percent of games is White Widow, and I think the moment that really clicked for me is when I was making a, like, a good card style deck, I was brewing, and I'm like, I cut Jeff and I added White Widow. I think White Widow is the de facto two cost card now where Jeff used to be. I feel like it's White Widow now. And I'd like to hear your opinion on White Widow.

Cozy Snap: 1:17:53

Yeah. So contrary to Dr. Octopus, like what I will stand behind if the statistics show it is when there's just one card in a cost that is just objectively the one you have to have in the deck, and then in 30 plus 20 plus whatever cards. More irrelevant, or even worse, or whatever, because when you have something universal like White Widow, right, super universal, I do agree there. That's kind of like why Angela's gone up and down so many times, right, because it's like, well, why not just play Angela, or whatever it was at the time. Now, it's funny how some survive, like Jeff, like, he just survived the whole time. And guess what? He was the card to include. He was that card to include for a very long time. So much so, I thought Mockingbird would have lasted longer just because Jeff did, but because Jeff's play rate had to have been through the roof as well, so I don't know why he's the one off, right? But I do agree, if a card just like, takes over that two slot or whatever, then for sure I would agree there.

Alexander Coccia: 1:18:44

Now, I kind of put you in an interesting position here, because White Widow is a card that I think is, people are getting a little frustrated with, like, similar to Dr. Octopus. However, it's only running, post infinite, current statistics, I just pulled, it's running a 49. 8 percent win rate. Which I don't think people would realize that it's win rate is actually as low as it is. The Airstream packages are running in the mid 50s on aggregate. This is clear 5 percent lower. And yet, I think people would consider White Widow and Dr. Octopus being in a similar category. But statistically, they're not even close. So, it goes to show how that feeling, that feel of playing against cards matters. Cause they can tilt you out despite their overall aggregate performance not actually being objectively

Cozy Snap: 1:19:29

bad. Yeah, we saw that with Galactus so many times. They, that was their excuse for like the first year on Galactus was like, I think it was December to, like, June or something that we didn't see that change. And it was like, well, his, his win rate's low, and it's like, again, that's not always the thing. And Doc Ock could very well fit that mold, and that could be comments that we see down below. Like, well, he's making the game a worse experience. I guess, like, that window is what I was talking about, is how long, how, how long are we gonna let that, you know, is it just flavor of the week, the month, whatever. But yes, if it's objectively causing that, then it doesn't need attention.

Alexander Coccia: 1:20:00

No, there's no question about it. It's like that, that feel bad play, which I think like like Alioth was very, very much that feel bad play. Right. Here's the interesting fact. The, the fourth, fifth, sorry, most popular card in Marvel Snap right now. No one's complaining about. I mean, I hear you talk about it. It's Agent Coulson! 26%, 26 percent of the meta, a 54. 5 percent win rate, one of the best cards in Marvel Snap right now, but ain't nobody complaining about Agent Coulson. No one's out there talking about how Agent Coulson's a friggin problem. Is Agent Coulson a villain now? He has a higher win rate than Dr. Octopus. He has a higher win rate than Blob, by the way, by several percentage points. He has a higher win rate than Shawn Chi. He has a higher win rate than Erisham himself on aggregate statistics. One of the best cards in Marvel Snap right now is Agent Coulson.

Cozy Snap: 1:20:50

The day they nerf Agent Coulson is the day I quit Marvel Snap. It's a game I don't want to be a part of anymore. I will make a 30 minute video just on that, that front, my friend. I, I can't, I can't, I won't. I won't. Even 3 3 second dinner. Don't do

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:03

it. It

Cozy Snap: 1:21:04

seems like that's

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:04

legit. Don't do it. I need Cozy. We need Cozy with a Snapchat. Don't nerf Coulson and kill the Snapchat second dinner. It just ain't right.

Cozy Snap: 1:21:12

Yeah, I mean he's so good because there's a lot of 4s and 5s that are really good. And then of course he plays into the decks that are really good right now. And then guess what? When those decks don't exist, he's gone. You know, like he just kinda like makes his exit. Which is what I love, man. Get my favorite card in and out. He's just kind of sliding under the radar a little bit. We saw what happened to Arrow. She flew too far above the cuckoo nest and now she's the least played card in the game.

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:32

Flew too close to the sun, just like the Eternal Icarus. Actually flew into the sun, but that's a whole other conversation. Agent Colson, the reason why I bring this up is because it's, again, going back to that feeling. No one's feeling anything about Agent Coulson, but he's absolutely performing, and it's, it reminds me of Sauron, months and months ago. Sauron being the top card in the game that no one ever complained about, right? Cozy, do you think they did enough to blob?

Cozy Snap: 1:21:54

He's a, he's a tough one to mess with, right? Like, isn't he a tough card to just like, what do you do? I, I feel like the only way to adjust him from here on out would be to do set limits on him, like a set limit of maximum power. And I also like, I just kind of hate the randomness to him a bit. I, I could get why he's there or whatever. Time will tell. I think time will tell on this one. I think it's funny that he's now a, like he got nerfed and buffed kinda in the same patch for a couple of reasons.

Alexander Coccia: 1:22:20

Yeah, I know, and there's one other card I want to just mention as we move on to the next topic. What are your thoughts on Blob? I want to hear

Cozy Snap: 1:22:25

your thoughts on Blob. Yeah, yeah, you passed the ball this way, I'm passing What are your, what are your thoughts on Blob? You're like, you're neutral. You like to be right here, I want to hear it. Which one? Blob, hit me.

Alexander Coccia: 1:22:35

I find Blob to be frustrating. Because like I, I don't, you can't predict or measure Blob. You don't know where he's gonna go. They can high roll into the high 20s, even 30s, if you know, I haven't seen a 30 blob in a while. But like, I often see like, oh, what did he hit? Oh, he hit Scarf you know, a three drop and then all of a sudden he hit like, you know, a you know, a Giganto and just pumped all the way up or whatever, right? You see those big scars. However, he's so vulnerable to Shan Qi, he's very vulnerable to Shadow King, like he has answers. It kind of bothers me that he is so counterplay capable for like Darkhawk, you put a Darkhawk to counter Erishim and then the Blobs and the Absorber Mants kill your Darkhawks.

Cozy Snap: 1:23:15

Read, read this text on pixie right here at the bottom, what does that say?

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:18

On reveal, shuffle the base costs of all cards in your deck that started there.

Cozy Snap: 1:23:22

Blob, merge all the cards that started in your deck, is that a fix?

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:26

Ooh,

Cozy Snap: 1:23:27

wait a minute. That's

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:28

interesting. Just give him, that's interesting. So then it keeps Arishem vulnerable to the Dark Hawk, but he was already vulnerable to dark. I like that change. That's kind of interesting, but the problem is, is now he's going to be really good in Thanos because. The Thanos stones make it so he's always close to that 15 max.

Cozy Snap: 1:23:44

But Thanos could use it. Like, I mean, I think, like, Thanos right now is out, and, and Blob's not like, a massive problem in there necessarily. I don't know, I think that could be, that tech exists. Like, we're literally reading it right here with Pixie. So just, like, make that happen with Blob, and that could make it, the whole Airsham thing feel better, you know, as a whole.

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:00

Yeah, we just spoke about Blob and the Mystique interaction, and a lot of the comments were like, that's intended, guys, that's not a bug, it's intended, it's supposed to be that way, and they're like, yo, we're getting rid of that, right, and like, that's fine, like, I agree, we agreed with it last week, something had to be done, they did it, and that's good, and The last one I just want to bring up Cozy, 14 percent popularity, Leech. It's not the Doc Ock standard yet. Doc Ock's in the mid 20s, but Leech at 14 percent is high for a card that's as anger inducing as it is. Leech will always suck.

Cozy Snap: 1:24:29

It

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:29

will always suck.

Cozy Snap: 1:24:30

Yeah, I mean, like, dude, especially like Copycat Leech, bro, you like, kill their bottom card, then you kill the cards in their hand, and you're just like, what are you gonna do? Yeah, man, I Leech is one of those cards I don't even like saying his name, because the problem is, the more we say his name, the more we give people ideas. Like, go look at my videos. I don't have Leech nearly in any deck. The last time I featured Leech, in fact, the only time I probably did, was Blink, before he, like, he wasn't getting played a lot, and I had him in Blink. Before that whole thing happened. Before they, they adjusted Leech. Why did they do that? But before they did that. But yeah, Leech is just one of those feel bad cards for sure.

Alexander Coccia: 1:25:03

Yeah, when I was a kid in elementary school, I remember watching, like, the original X Men animated series. And then kids would go into the, the bathroom at school, turn off the lights, and say Leech into the mirror five times. And then we see Ghost and Freak Out. But let's take us to the Snapchat mailbag codes. We've got a couple questions from the community here. And they're about Marvel Snap, sometimes. But what we really like here is we talked last week about some cards that really needed some love from Second Dinner. And we got some really cool ideas back from the community. Like CJ, who said, Here's an idea for Angel and for White Queen. Angel, when one of your cards is destroyed, this flies out of your hand or deck to replace it. And if that card is destroyed, so if Angel is then destroyed, it becomes Archangel with plus three power. Also, White Queen, on reveal, copy the highest cost card in your opponent's deck into your hand, or in your opponent's hand to your hand, and that card cannot be destroyed. So basically, White Queen copies the card, And also adds the Cannot Be Destroyed text to the, whatever the most expensive card in their hand was, which is cool, cause that's like, flavor relevant, remember she goes diamond in the X Men series. And Angel can be destroyed to make Archangel. What are your thoughts on those ideas? Hats off,

Cozy Snap: 1:26:13

hats off. Whoever you are man, you got my, what is his name, Jay? CJ. CJ, CJ man, hats off to you, that's a really good idea. This is the stuff I like talking about. This is the stuff if you, I was at Comic Con, you came up like, hit me with it. I love this stuff, especially to make things more lore, like, inspired in the game. I'm all for it. I love that, man. Those are some good suggestions. Especially the arch. The the Archangel. The Archangel. Like, I like the idea of, like, a Bucky Barnes effect in there. I think it might need to be more rewarding to destroy him twice. Could be tough to, you know, pull that off all the time. But I guess not. I guess you just play him regularly on Curve. So, yeah, I actually don't hate that. That, that's a cool idea. Very good idea.

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:50

It's a cool idea, but I wonder if it's, like, Chavez for Destroy. Like, do you know how good that is? Like, that's so good you're thinning the deck.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:57

It is. And it's certain, but it's certainly better, God, you might as well test it out with some stat increase because it's certainly, He's going to get played more than he does now, unless he's there for the new player experience. Alex,

Alexander Coccia: 1:27:07

I hate when you bring up the new player experience like that. Cause it's like, it is like, literally it's like the, they're like, Hey, I got a new idea for something. And they're like, Oh yeah, boom. Your knees. It's like the it's like, you know, like mobsters take out people's knees. It's like car design and Marvel snap. It gets taken out by the new player.

Cozy Snap: 1:27:22

It's the ultimate Trump card too. It's like, there's just nothing you can say to you. Like, Oh yeah. The new player experience, you know? But but then they don't always follow it. Cause there's cards that, Have been buffed, like, tremendously, or nerfed, like Chavis.

Alexander Coccia: 1:27:34

Yeah, another idea I saw for White Queen, by the way, which I thought was cool, is copy the highest cost card of your opponent's deck. Sorry, your hand, into your hand, at negative one cost. So, theoretically, you can play her on turn four, get their blob, play blob on turn five. Which I thought was kind of interesting. Yep, I like it. Pretty interesting thing too. Critical Slap came at us with this statement, which I thought was awesome. How about changing Rhino to Rhino can be played anywhere and ruin the location. Just like Jeff, but he can't move. So let's say you have a Sanctorum, you can actually play Rhino into the Sanctorum so he, he can get in there and he destroys the location.

Cozy Snap: 1:28:07

I like it. I like it. That's a solid one and you definitely are a fan of Moist Critical. I can tell from the Critical Slap, but yes I do, I do enjoy what big YouTubers do you watch, Alex? I know we're random.

Alexander Coccia: 1:28:17

It's so funny you bring up Moist Critical, because like, hey, we're very analytical. Like, you guys wouldn't know this, but behind the scenes, Cozy and I, like, We're pros, man. Like we, we, we know the analytics. We, we know how to like, you know, how YouTube's best practices work. Moist Critical breaks all the rules. His thumbnails are just like the automated, automated generated one. He doesn't even capitalize his titles. The titles don't even make sense half the time. They're spelling mistakes. I'm like, and they'll have like 4 million views. I'm like, what is happening here? What am I doing wrong?

Cozy Snap: 1:28:43

Yeah, dude. No, there's people like that in every like genre. And I love that. Like he defies like there's for those that played old school RuneScape, there's a guy named Bodhi I like a lot, and he. His titles are ridiculous, man. They're like, they're like anti algorithm almost, like, cause they're so just like gibberish, but the content's so good, people come, right? So that, or the personality or whatever and so, yeah, dude, I love, I love me some boys critical for sure, and I, I definitely got started, I think, on his stuff with the critical slap stuff, so, or hit the slap contest, but anyway, yes, very good, very good. What do we got for our next mailbag?

Alexander Coccia: 1:29:16

Our next mailbag question comes from Shepboy, and it reads The old Spotlight variants are now appearing in the shop for 2, 400 gold. What are your guys thoughts on this?

Cozy Snap: 1:29:26

I knew this was gonna come. Go ahead.

Alexander Coccia: 1:29:28

Yeah, I'm confused too. I this was one of those questions. I'm like, I don't know man First of all, I thought they're gonna be 1, 200, but it doesn't surprise me that they're 2, 400 But also most of the Spotlight variants are garbage and you shouldn't be spending 2, 400 gold on them. Anyways I don't know man, I just, I, I'm not surprised. It's, it's like they tried to increase the value of the spotlight keys in some way. It's,

Cozy Snap: 1:29:49

it's, yeah, the thing that I don't, I don't like that they're 2, 800, but what I also don't like is that they return, and I think that's such a hot take. I think that they're, like, I think the best skins, the best stuff in these games are ones that come by, and like, yeah, it creates more FOMO, totally get that, it's unfair, whatever, but they're not even that great anymore, right? Like, so we can agree on that. But I think, like, if a skin comes to the game, you get the, you get the skin, like, I was talking to this guy named SirTag, who plays Clash Royale, and there's these, like, there's a game mode where if you play it, you get a like, kind of like the Cassandra variant, right? Coming up. That variant should never come back. It shouldn't. I don't think it should. Because it's a variant, it's cosmetic, and it's rewarding somebody for playing the game. Those are, maybe that's the old gamer in me, right? Like the old school gamer in me, times have changed. But do you see my point there a little bit? I'm, I'm, I don't know.

Alexander Coccia: 1:30:34

Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. Like, I like, like, I love card backs. Like, I know people weren't collecting, and like, I'm kind of showing off. Like, I was playing the Mjolnir one. From the Thor Mjolnir one, right? Like over with the lockjaw. And like, I know people were seeing that, but like that exists. Like, I don't think I've ever seen that before. I'm like, hell yeah, it exists. Gamer. I've been playing this game for a long time. I like that collective, like that collection side. And we've talked about it a ton that I think a lot of the allure of Marvel Snap is those collection components, right? Like, I think the collecting is part of the game.

Cozy Snap: 1:31:04

You could add them to character mastery, and that's interesting too, like, if you really like Deadpool, and there's a Deadpool spotlight, well, that wouldn't happen, but you know what I mean. That you didn't get, and you're just like, that's one way to get it, I guess, but, I just don't, I don't, I don't agree with the 2800 gold thing. But in turn, I also just think they don't need to come out again. But I

Alexander Coccia: 1:31:20

don't know. I think, honestly, here's a piece of advice. I was suffering with FOMO for a long time. I was buying every single bundle. I let the first bundle go, the second bundle go, the third. And all of a sudden I'm like, wait, it doesn't matter, man. It doesn't matter. I. Like, listen, buddy. I just, I let bundles go like crazy. I, I really reduced my, my kind of like excess spending. And you know what? I feel great about it, man. I just, you know, I let Spotlight Variants go. I let the Ajax one go. He's poo anyway, but I just like, the only one I regret is that that really nice Nico one. The first Nico one.

Cozy Snap: 1:31:50

There's The fantasy one. Yeah, that one's so good. I would say this. Yeah, first of all, like, Nobody cares what variants you have and what you don't have guys. Like, get one if you like it, or whatever. But what I'll say too is like, yeah, there's a common misconception. I have I got the Black Borders, cause I just, I'm a mad black guy. Like, that's just like, I love that idea. I've only used one, I just like saving the rest of them. That's my first purchase in a very long time. I don't I don't buy a lot of bundles anymore at all. Maybe because I don't live stream that much, right? But it's so like, you know, I feel like live streaming is like a fun thing to like add to it and look at the new art and everything. And Spotlight's a lot, lost a little bit of that lore to me because they're not epic enough. They're just not. They're not, they used to be, but I don't think they are anymore.

Alexander Coccia: 1:32:30

No, you're 100 percent right, and talking about epic, Joe Random wrote in with this absolute gamer situation, I just lost an 8 cuber because of an M'Baku created by Airsham triggered after my Captain Marvel triggering to win the game. I'm about done with this crap. Is

Cozy Snap: 1:32:49

this a TED Talk?

Alexander Coccia: 1:32:52

It's just so funny because like these types of interactions are like what we were talking about in the section about like, you know, the the, the new villains of snap, it's like, people are having these experiences that like, honestly, or I think this is a hilarious experience. Hilarious. I would laugh at that

Cozy Snap: 1:33:05

content wise. I would laugh at that if it happened to me. Oh, for sure.

Alexander Coccia: 1:33:08

That's awesome. Like these types of like experiences you can't plan for. And I think that Airshim is providing that, and I think the more that Marvel Snap can do that, these out of the box experiences that you can't really, you know, expect or depend on, those, what are they called? There's a word for that in gaming.

Cozy Snap: 1:33:24

I don't know, but what I'll say is to the guy that submitted it, we're not giving you a hard time, I would just say, just know, like, I think this is a nice little ease of heart, like, you're not alone. Like, these things happen all the time, we lose all the time in crazy ways in real life and in the game.

Alexander Coccia: 1:33:36

Yeah, I'm struggling to remember what that's called. There's someone in the comment section will know it's some sort of like emergent. It's emergent, emergent gameplay, gameplay that like it's not planned, but rather spontaneous. And I think that's a lot of fun. But anyways, guys, Cozy and I will be the hosts of this week's Conker's event. I can't explain to you how excited I am to be co hosting with Cozy Snap right here. And Friends, keep an eye out on the official Marvel Snap channels for announcements on like the roster, which is absolutely fire and more and fun, exciting news.

Cozy Snap: 1:34:08

Drop in the comments below how many times Alex will say Costco live on air.

Alexander Coccia: 1:34:12

That's going to do it for us today on the Snapchat. We really appreciate each and every one of you. We're having a lot of fun on the Snapchat. A fantastic Mailbags segment. Thanks for all your questions. And if you have a chance, leave us a review on your podcast platform of choice. We sincerely appreciate you and we'll see you on that next Snapchat episode.

Cozy Snap: 1:34:30

If you guys are at Comic Con, be sure to stop by, say what's up, love to interact with you guys as fans, and then yeah catch Friday. Conqueror's maximum effort. Alex and I will be casting it. Have a good one, have a great one. Till the next one. Happy snapping, guys.